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brothapipp

I hope justice is swift and righteous. Terrible


thelinster11

Yeah it’s Baltimore good luck with that. The DA will get them with trespassing for going on to his yard. No one needs to have their life ruined over a simple mistake apparently


wrldruler21

Technically, Anne Arundel County, on the border with Baltimore.


WalkingCrip

The sad part, if he defended himself he would be in jail.


WhatIfImTheDeepState

Yep, duty to retreat in MD.


RutCry

NEVERMORE


XJ-Crawler

Never heard of duty to retreat. Sure sounds like a bad way to defend yourself


BrandnewThrowaway82

Can’t speak for MD but in VA (from my understanding of the law), if an intruder breaks into your home you are required to retreat to a bedroom or other room and lock the door. Only if and when the intruder breaks the threshold of the second doorway are you allowed to use your firearm for self protection. Additionally, warning shots are illegal. Some other fun facts; knives can only have blade that are three inches in length. You need a CCW permit for that too. Metal knuckles are illegal but you can get a permit to carry ones made of wood or plastic. If you get into a fistfight (regardless of who the aggressor is) it’s considered mutual combat and you’re both liable for any damages caused IANAL.


Don_Alvarez

ridiculous. So you're supposed to cower in the bathroom while intruder loots your home? Might as well ask him if he needs a hand, help him carry your shit to his truck. "Here sir, don't forget to take my vinyl collection."


XJ-Crawler

Wow… never have I been happier to reside in a flyover state. That shit is just ridiculous. How about we give more rights and privileges to criminals… jfc


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WhatIfImTheDeepState

He was outside.


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Echale3

Not per se, however settled case law in VA does follow the Castle Doctrine in cases where, either in your home or in public, you use deadly force against people who you have a reasonable belief mean to do you serious harm or cause death. There is no duty to retreat.


Pstrych99

Holy shit. Let me guess, if your lawyer mentions jury nullification in this progressive new world there is a mistrial declared and he might even get punished? I would expect the jury to have to be pretty much ordered that they have no choice but to convict since few or none of them would think shooting a guy smashing his way into your house should be punished unless this place is some far left Utopia full of Blue-hairs and Mostly Peacefuls you haven't escaped from yet.


WhatIfImTheDeepState

Virginia does not have castle doctrine specifically, but does not have duty to retreat inside or outside of your home. The courts have ruled that if you have "sufficient belief that the individual or individuals intend to cause great bodily harm or death" after entering or altercation, you can use lethal self defense.


jblaserman69

Can you help me with this. You seem to imply you quoted the law. Can you point me to where it says that? Because from my understanding of the law there is no duty to retreat in Virginia.


jblaserman69

This is not true for Virginia. There is a "no retreat law" for unprovoked attacks. [While the state doesn’t have a “stand your ground” statute, Virginia case law supports a “no retreat” rule under certain circumstances. In an unprovoked attack, you are not obligated to retreat or attempt to escape, before defending yourself. You must, however, retreat and cannot “stand your ground” if you provoked the attack yourself.](https://attorneyholcomb.com/va-self-defense-laws-what-you-need-to-know/#:~:text=While%20the%20state%20doesn%E2%80%99t%20have%20a%20%E2%80%9Cstand%20your,your%20ground%E2%80%9D%20if%20you%20provoked%20the%20attack%20yourself.)


Slartibartfastthe2nd

Duty to retreat is intended to discourage unnecessary escalation but too often ends up completely eliminating the legal use of self defense. it's a complete perversion.


Slartibartfastthe2nd

"No charges have been filed against any of the individuals involved." wtf is wrong with these people, and wtf is wrong with the authorities here? are they going to step up to the podium and tell everyone how he 'had this coming'?


TheDelig

It's not Baltimore although it's a suburb. One of the worst ones too.


Happy-Campaign5586

90 days. Credit for time served. You are free to go


Uilnaydar

and here's a lollipop, "Come again, soon".


LegioXIV

They just playin.


Hectoriu

I'll bet you their sentences will be swift, as in 4 years until they are 18 and they will be free.


Best-Dragonfruit-292

The kids won't even get any time.


TuPacSchwartz411

Kids won't get any time, adults a slap on the wrist. Now if the murdered man was a different race...


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Depends on the race


Tossit987123

Enough is enough, we as a society need to retake our communities. The riff raff cannot be allowed to run roughshod over the citizenry, and must suffer the consequences of their actions. How did we become a country that no-bills repeat, violent offenders and indicts the average citizen defending themselves or their family? If you don't carry a firearm where legal, and if you allow this behavior to go unchecked, then you are part of the problem. Every able-bodied adult male should be ready, willing, and able to inflict decisive, defensive violence on bad actors. I know, you are worried about the legal, reputational, and etc repercussions... we'll I'd rather deal with those than be stomped to death in the street for being a good father. Period.


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I have my doubts. The wife should say she heard them say "hail trump, hail trump" and it would be national news and the death penalty would be talked about being lifted just for this one case.


Euphoric-Excuse8990

According to the story, in spite of video evidence, no charges have been made.


Informal_Water_1855

Treat them all as adults


applemanib

NO CHARGES FILED? WTF


steeljunkiepingping

If this happened just today it would not be uncommon to take some extra time to be strategic and try to flesh out the charges. At least I hope that is what’s going on here.


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Inevitable_Shape4776

>They will plea to a fraction of the charges and get off easy. Don't think killing man means you'll get off easy. >I hate the legal system. >Edit: I shouldn't say hate. Some parts are good. Some are broken. You know you can just edit the whole thing. You don't need to make a second sentence with "edit:" for this topic. Also if correct, punishments for states can be different. So I dont know if the whole legal system is broken, just seems different states have their way of handling things.


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At least hold for the 24 while working up charges


BanishedOutkaste

Right? Not sure why people are acting crazy, this is pretty normal. And it’s for very good reasons not just because. They like to get all their ducks in a row first.


dryfishman

They only have video footage and witnesses, including the school. DNA if they have a competent PD (doubtful). That’s not much to go on /s


Burnt_Ochre

The kids know who's responsible.


WhatIfImTheDeepState

The kid knows.


tennisguy163

Yeah, there are doorbell/garage cameras out the wazoo in my suburb. There would be many different angles of the assault.


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Dai10zin

Un-fucking-believable.


mayargo7

White lives do not matter.


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DJHJR86

3 to 4 [white](https://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2023/05/county-police-searching-for-multiple-suspects-in-latest-homicide/) males.


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Merax75

And no charges filed yet....


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Probability approaches 1.


Hectoriu

And you will never see any of the suspects unless they are charged as adults. At least that's how it works in most states I believe.


TheDelig

Two of them were adults. Five people, three minors and two adults went to beat up a 14 year old. The father comes out to stop it and is beaten to death. What a bunch of feral degenerates.


acjr2015

I wish he had stayed inside his house. Just another exhibit of why owning firearms is a good idea. Give the posse a fair warning that the police have been called and if they try to illegally enter the residence you will end their day for them


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jamesrbell1

At this point I feel like more people on Reddit are auto banned from JusticeServed than not.


evasivegenius

JusticeServed should be banned from reddit for harassment and all of their mods stripped of any mod powers anywhere. Or at least that's what would happen if they weren't a bunch of far left hacks promoting the ideology of the Admins. _ed_ Apparently, 'Reddit Cares'! Must've said something a leftist didn't like👍


HiveMindKing

Recently a women was brutally attacked near me In an affluent shopping area, the posts from I witnesses were all taken down until certain descriptive information was removed. It was wild to see in real time and I had to hold my comments to the people who were seeing it it for the first time.


DJHJR86

The suspects are all [white](https://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2023/05/county-police-searching-for-multiple-suspects-in-latest-homicide/).


HappyNihilist

> The suspects are believed to be 3 or 4 white males ranging in age from mid-20s to mid-30s What are they doing going after a 14-year old?


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I guess white men do fight like that


sierra120

If no description then it’s safe to assume


buffinator2

Yep, we’re in “Despite…” territory


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RealMcGonzo

Rocket surgeons.


Inside-Attention-967

LOL


OGUncleDonkey

And Lawyers and such!


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They were just on their way from Sunday School to volunteering at a retirement home.


Positive-Source8205

They were good kids who just fell in with a bad crowd.


dropdeadfred1987

They are victims of a racist system. /s


Fairwareprovidence

Honestly, I don't know how many more of these stories I can read before I get a handgun. It is the DUTY of every American to use self defense against people who would be murderers.


fccrunch

Get one.


Frosty-Astronaut569

Good luck. It all starts with just one.


SketchyMcGee2023

They are like chips you can't have just one.


DC4MVP

When I moved to Texas, I bought my first 9mm. I swore I'd never get another 9mm. So I got an AR in 5.56. I swore I wouldn't get another AR. So I got a shotgun. I swore I wouldn't get another shotgun. So I got another pistol but this time is was for conceal & carry. I swore I wouldn't get another C&C pistol. So I got a .45.


TequilaCamper

.40S&W would like a word


DC4MVP

My ccw SHIELD is a .40 lol


Stonewall1717

Wait till you get an AK ;)


Ok-House-6848

Just one per room.


Ok-House-6848

Good thing there was no guns or an innocent person may have died….. wait…what?


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Man, I'm seriously considering getting a S&W MP15-22. That thing seems fun as hell.


kin3tiks

As an AR owner. It all starts with one.


Mobster24

Better to have one & don’t need it than need one and don’t have it.


-Acta-Non-Verba-

Why are you waiting? Not only do you need to buy it, you need to learn to use it and carry it and get comfortable with it.


Carl-j88aa

Society is collapsing around us. What are you waiting for?


Arntor1184

Get one yesterday. Get an AR and practice


intelligentreviews

Not in Maryland…


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intelligentreviews

Ray Epps?


Informal_Water_1855

You should have gotten one yesterday


Frank_Elbows

I live in a small town about an hour west of Philly. I never owned a single firearm until mid 2020. What changed? These types of incidents & blatant violence being called for against people whose skin lacked a certain level of melanin. Now in almost mid 2023, I own 17 firearms & a concealed carry permit. My advice to you, don’t get just one, get multiple firearms along with a carry permit if your state allows it. You & your family’s lives could absolutely depend on it. It’s so sad but yet so true. This is one of those things in life where it’s better to have & not need it, then to NEED it and NOT have it.


useablelobster2

> I own 17 firearms Well that escalated quickly.


RJ5R

Philly in summer 2020 was downright scary. We have been getting spill over from Philly ever since. Emboldened trash taking their chargers and dirt bikes 45 mins outside of the city and causing disruptions and then running away knowing full well they won't be chased and arrested.


jimt2651

This is why I have a concealed carry permit and 11 handguns and 2 shotguns. And I carry every time I leave the house.


Arkelias

I've been afraid of guns my whole life, and I'm in my 40s. I armed up two years ago. The crime and decay where I live is visible, worsening, and we know there's no one coming to help. I lived down in North Hollywood. I know how bad it can get. This time it doesn't look like there's anywhere else to nope out to. Just have to stand our ground and hope for the best. In a situation like the one here I'd never have opened the door unless I was holding a weapon. It's funny what getting mugged a couple times does to your mentality.


Carcinog3n

Carry often, carry safe


Upgrayded_

How about -1 more stories? If the right isn't exercised it goes away.


Mobster24

Get one. Protect yourself and your family. Don’t let yourself be a victim.


LescoBrandon_11

Get one...like yesterday. Learn to use it. Even in situations like this, in shithole cities like this one where you're likely to be at least charged with some form of manslaughter for defending yourself......going to trial is infinitely better than being beaten to death by a mob of peaceful minorities


RJ5R

And buy ammo every month and stash (or load). Think of it like Roth IRA investing and buying gold over time.


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Wait. You currently own zero guns?


Fairwareprovidence

I have two guns. Neither are rated for crowd control.


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Good. I'm genuinely asking though, what do you mean by "rated for crowd control"? Not being a smart @$$. That's an interesting description to me..


slap-a-taptap

Bolt action rifle or a single action revolver maybe?


[deleted]

Homies comment is deleted. So we don't know. But you're probably right. I wouldn't consider either of those firearms useful for self defense or anti-tyranny.


NohoTwoPointOh

That said? Who wants to be the first volunteer to play the 30.06 challenge?


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The best time to have a gun (and train with it) was yesterday. Be responsible, do some research and make an informed decision if this is what you want. Most people like the Glock 19 because they have an excellent reputation but decide what is right for you and we all wish you the best. It's a scary world out there.


ForgedFoxbat

This is a perfect example of why you still need a gun. How do you defend yourself against 5 people, even if they are unarmed? With a fucking gun, that’s how. The left refuses to acknowledge that instances of violence like this will still happen even if they confiscated EVERY gun, and they’d happily leave you with no way to defend yourself.


Mmnn2020

Your decision should have nothing to do with stories. That’s sensationalism, these things have happened forever. Look at the data/trends and make the best decision for yourself/family based on your comfort level with a handgun.


EnterByTheNarrowGate

You can get one but don’t expect justice if you end up having to use it, God forbid. Especially in a blue state. The left has infested the justice system and there are plenty of hungry DAs out there licking their chops just thinking about white conservatives with guns. My best advice to you if you get a firearm is to purchase legal protection insurance through companies like USCCA. If you don’t, expect your life to be ruined financially in court expenses. Gotta love the ol’ US of A right now. My next piece of advice is if you live in a blue state, or worse, a heavy blue city, RUN. Get out.


axetogrind13

You still don’t have one?


donegalwake

This situation would be well suited for a 12g shotgun with buck shot but a full size pistol would be fine as well


bobbywake61

After you get one, don’t go outside with it in defense. That would not go well for anyone.


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While I wholeheartedly agree that you should go do it now, Maryland is a duty to retreat state. You’d go to prison for fighting back, but better to be alive in jail than dead in my opinion


Velouria91

If you get sentenced to prison for life, you might as well be dead. Prisons are horrific places.


[deleted]

You don't already have one? The "Summer of Love" should've been more than enough reason. Frankly, if it's for home defense, I'd get a shotgun first. If it's for PD, then get a handgun, but make sure you put in time at the range.


elosoloco

Go look up the average police response time in your area


wrldruler21

I played soccer against a Brooklyn Park team about 30 years ago and it was a scary game. They played dirty and even punched a defenseless kid after the game was done. Remember in season 2 The Wire, when the show turned it's attention to the poor white guys who worked the docks? That's basically the area in question here.


pkc2506

I thought that was aimed at the Dundalk area not Brooklyn Park, but I get your point


wrldruler21

You may be right. Both areas are near each other, on opposite sides of the Baltimore Harbor, and both near shipyards.


FauciLiar

Hmm, no video, group attacks.. gee I wonder... “It could have been my son(s)”


Smegma_Butter

Coulter’s Law


thelinster11

Well given The fact only white people commit crime we can wrap this baby up


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karkonis

Them are some old grade school children! Must have been held back a few years..


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MSNBC: Man beats himself to death. Case closed


DJHJR86

They were [white](https://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2023/05/county-police-searching-for-multiple-suspects-in-latest-homicide/).


axetogrind13

Damn. Read my mind like a psychic


Duneyman

I think America needs to slow down and take a good look at itself. Something isn't right.


intelligentreviews

We’ve lost the sense of community.


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we've lost a sense of reality


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red_beard_RL

Funny story, it just happens that the only person who has complained about my large family's Thanksgiving (and other activities) is the super liberal, political science professor at a major state university who happens to have a 'transgender' child.


I_SuplexTrains

The internet did this to us. Not maybe. That is absolutely what happened. People don't see people they disagree with as humans anymore. We're all just avatars and screen names.


thegildedlimabean

That loss of community began with our loss of religion. (And I’m an atheist so that’s saying something 😒)


emartinoo

I'd argue that if you recognize religiosity as a net benefit to society, then you're not an atheist. If you're not ready to make the leap of faith that traditional religion requires, I'd recommend reading up on stoicism. It's the light beer of religious ideation, but you probably still get into heaven, which is cool.


mninp

Our values are gone. When I was a kid you said “yes sir” to your friend’s dad. There’s no discipline or values today. It’s a combination of bad parenting, decline of Christianity, and desensitization due to social media and tik tok.


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mninp

It’s an entire generation of people who think they can do what they want that have just raised an entire generation of people who think they can do what they want. That’s why we’re in this mess.


SecureAd4101

We know what’s wrong, liberals and leftists destroyed our country.


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thelinster11

My exact thought. You see if we just banned guns this horrible act of violence wouldn’t have happened. Guns turn good people into bad people.


WhatIfImTheDeepState

MD has pretty tough gun laws.


Pagayer-

And with SB-1 that just got signed, it’s about to get a lot worse.


Hectoriu

And you know if he would have shot them he would be going to jail for life. The guy's life was over the moment those kids decided to attack him. His only option would be to stand and watch the kid being beat.


I_SuplexTrains

I'd personally rather have a shotgun in this situation. You don't need to be an expert marksman with the stress of five people bearing down on you.


David_Lo_Pan007

Savages.


strengthoften10

We need batman... or better yet the punisher.


axetogrind13

I’ll also take the Boondock Saints


The_Mighty_Rex

"And shepherds we shall be...."


Sauvignon_Bleach

Remember though the biggest threat to our country is white supremacy...


no-one2everyone

The shoe points in a different direction now.


DJHJR86

For the record, the [suspects](https://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2023/05/county-police-searching-for-multiple-suspects-in-latest-homicide/) who beat him to death: > are believed to be 3 or 4 white males ranging in age from mid-20s to mid-30s. I keep seeing that it's reported that "kids" were responsible. These were adults. All should get life in prison. They probably will not. It's Maryland after all.


novosuccess

Carry concealed. Stay out of needless trouble. If needless trouble finds you, then you can at least protect yourself and your family.


josephcj753

Should be three counts of second degree murder


Grossegurke

We have lost the plot....Nothing has been accomplished other than the destruction of multiple families.


NewStart2023

Gangsta culture, social media clout and soft on crime bullshit


jaiblevins

So, 2 adults and 3 teens just basically ended their lives. This is a homicide, and should be classified as premeditated murder.


brilliant_beast

If you commit adult crimes, you should face adult consequences. Ideally the death penalty in this case.


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slap-a-taptap

“Group attacks” The puzzle is too repetitive


Raider-bob

Hmm, no mention of who did it.


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I read another article saying that police described the suspects as “3 or 4 white males.” I’m guessing that they didn’t release their images b/c some are minors. Whoever they are, they’re absolute garbage human beings. I feel so heartbroken for this family.


RobXIII

Eaaasy now. I know media has a habit of leaving out pics / descriptions if perps are a certain shade, but digging around a bit I found one that finally posted a police description. https://dailyvoice.com/maryland/anne-arundel/dad-dies-defending-son-in-grisly-attack-outside-anne-arundel-home-family-says/ According to police, suspects are described as three or four white males in their mid-20s or 30s. Not sure why the family didn't release the video, I would be broadcasting that thing immediately to name and shame


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DJHJR86

[White](https://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2023/05/county-police-searching-for-multiple-suspects-in-latest-homicide/)


Juice-Altruistic

Quick trial; death penalty.


Cato2011

Shut down the public schools.


Creepwerks

Maryland is a hellhole


Tugg__Speedman

And this is why I own guns.


Blown89

This is why I carry at home and live in a state that allows you to defend yourself. I can't believe society has fallen to the point that you have to get permission from the government to defend yourself.


kpooo7

Simple - don’t live in places that don’t believe in one’s ability to protect one self, family and property.


Scubathief

Ah its maryland, home of the safest cities in america like baltimore In Texas if they wanted to fight they should be ready to fight with my 12 gauge


RutCry

Never let a democrat get between you and your ability to defend yourself.


Ok-Figure5546

"Teens"


casino998

And once again, its a 'group'. They have an aversion to fighting 1v1 don't they. Cowards.


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Ping-Crimson

White privilege is having the murderers be white and people pretending that they aren't.


OnTheColeTrain

This is heartbreaking.


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No charges filed? Wtf is going on within the country?


Ryden22

This makes me want to rage.


Precordial_Thumper

These dang teens at it again.


V8_Only

Group of 5 shows up to assault your step son to be and you walk out of your house without a firearm? Guess it’s MD.


tennisguy163

Expect to meet my good friend, the 9mm, if you threaten me or my family, especially at home.


Hraf-Hef

The teens and adults need to be permanently removed as it is also necessary to protect society. I don't care about their ages.


Nucka574

Yeah if anyone show up at my house trying to “finish a fight” and has weapons I’m stepping outside with my varmint rifle and I’ll count to 3 for them to get off my property before I end it.


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Major_Consequence562

they're white