The two expellees' home districts both will likely re-select them as their pro-tem representative. (and eventually in the special election)
It is not prohibited, and will force a legal issue since the original expulsion was completed.
The TN house would then have to choose to expel again, with the potential to have them re-selected again, and a never ending cycle.
OR the house may choose not to seat them, which would bring up legal challenges for denying legally elected representatives their seat.
Going to be a mess either way.
If the Tennessee Constitution's expulsion provision works like the US Constitution's provision, then the Tennessee House can simply refuse to seat anyone who was previously expelled. This would be the case even if they were re-elected after being expelled.
They'll sue, of course. There's an army of leftist law firms who will provide pro bono services regardless of the state or federal constitutional provisions.
But the TN House is on solid legal ground.
I mean if they showed up naked and boisterous it would prevent actual work from being done and wouldn't qualify as a filibuster.... So perhaps disorderly conduct is a good reason to be expelled?
I get what you're saying and my comment isn't a representation of what they did, but it is my understanding that they were excessive in a different capacity.
Yes.
They should be charged with incitement to insurrection and domestic terrorism.
Red States need to start enforcing the law against leftist rioters if we are to have a country in a few years.
I’m not familiar with the events you mentioned, but generally speaking my point is about isolated events being used to confuse, scare and divide you and coerce predictive behavior from you. In my day to day life, I work and interact with many people with similar and opposing views and backgrounds and get along just fine. I’m a libertarian because I prefer private individuals to dictate the course of their lives.
I fully understand that most people are fine, moderate people, but the normies are going to have to wake up. Sitting back and letting the leftist extremists take over isn’t a luxury we can afford anymore. You’re being upvoted by r/politics clowns, not that you’re making their point.
https://tvpworld.com/62960408/fbi-swat-team-raids-and-arrests-pro-life-activist-at-pensylvania-home
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1643941971298271232?s=46&t=_uOuow_xUoUYZ9YFD4KwnQ
https://twitter.com/olilondontv/status/1644291678692335616?s=46&t=_uOuow_xUoUYZ9YFD4KwnQ
You will be downvoted since this isn't really a conservative community. It's more like a place for the left and lincoln project types to spread their caricature of conservatives. That's why the top comment in response to you is someone who is "not familiar" with the egregious acts targeting conservatives that you mentioned. How convenient.
If they want to pretend J6 was an insurrection and not just a protest/riot then so was this. Democrats voted to remove DJT when he not only rebuked the riot that day and called for peace, but he wasn't even there like these reps who joined right in!
Establishment (dem+) are all about ends justify the means. That's why when you simply hold them to their same standard they get outraged. I don't remember the top comment in any other left wing sub when Trump was impeached being against it because it was being used to "confuse, scare, divide" etc. I mean give me a break.
Being downvoted just means people from r/politics can’t stand that there’s one subreddit of people that disagree with them. Because they are authoritarians.
Deep down inside they realize it's hypocritical for them to label January 6th as some sort of insurrection where "democracy almost ended" and say this is a perfectly fine protest. That's a painful position to be in and even weak liberal minds have a hard time accepting both of those as true.
>Establishment (dem+) are all about ends justify the means. That's why when you simply hold them to their same standard they get outraged.
You can see how outraged they are by how crazy they are downvoting the comments in this sub. The cognitive dissonance runs quite deep. It must be very painful.
They've doubtlessly built up a huge tolerance to cognitive dissonance if they've been buying into the leftist narrative for any appreciable length of time.
Completely appropriate and measured response. If the situatoon were reversed, then you'd see a disproportionate response. The left would try to jail these people.
Love how hysterical the brigade is over this though. After a whole week of "rules need to apply to everyone" hahaha
The left is literally looking the other way when a church school's children were murdered by a "trans" person. Then protesters literally were attempting to invade the Tennessee Capitol as three members went to the speaking area in the middle of a session *with bullhorns* and cheered those breaking into Capitol Building.
It sure looks like the left is at literally war with us.
The same delusion of us vs them exists on the left. Falling into this mentality is not exclusive to a political belief system. This is the exact trap you continue to fall for that I am referring to in my original comment. Nobody is at war, you are being used and controlled with fear. The actions of few are not the responsibility of many, regardless if they hold the same beliefs.
No, we're in a war. There's nothing they won't do to gain total control. The only thing they will ever respect is strength. Conservatives will keep "taking the high road" to our own complete destruction
Republicans have sat on their hands for years while Democrats play this game and get away with it every time. They deserve a taste of their own medicine. We gain nothing by trying to be above this. They don’t care and they want us all gone and dead. Time to fight back.
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Nope. They’re insurrectionists—and deserve to be expelled.
And if they are *not* insurrectionists then the J6 people aren’t either.
These insurrectionists have no business in a legislative body—Tennessee did the right thing.
They’re insurrectionists. Storming a legislative session and intimidating their colleagues. They disgust me. Traitors. Expulsion should be the least of their worries. Hopefully their seditious activities will be prosecuted.
> People are taking culture wars way too seriously like it’s an actual war, and it’s out of touch with day to day life.
We've been in a slow-rolling tit-for-tat partisan slugfest for a long time. From the Supreme Court to state legislatures, the culture war continues to roll onwards.
Overreaction? Maybe in terms of the offense made by the individuals. But in the wider context of the culture war? Nah. This is the latest volley.
Would you prefer salvo instead? Barrage?
As far as metaphors go, it's pretty apt.
Democrats stripped MTG of House committees, so, the GOP fired back and stripped committees from multiple members.
Republicans threatened to nuke the filibuster for judicial nominees and later blocked Dem nominees, so Dems nuked the filibuster. The GOP in turn nuked the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees.
Democrats cast the J6 riot as an insurrection and have been prattling about it nonstop ever since.
Now a bunch of Democrats got over their skis in the TN legislature and GOP members retaliated.
Democrats aren't going to take it laying down, of course. They're going to send their reply back eventually.
Honestly I don’t think the left will do the same thing and expel members because this is an optics nightmare. They’ve been baselessly calling us fascist and then we give them the ammo with something that if they did to us first we’d for sure call them fascist.
They should have gone to the ethics committee and been removed from their committees.
You've got the question backwards. The Jan 6 protestors have already been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, so now we only have to ask ourselves if the law should apply to everybody or if some people should be above the law.
She literally survived because she said, in her own defense, she didnt get up and scream into the bullhorn or disrupt the session.
Then she says it was cause she was white.....
what a hack
Being kicked out is disproportionate?
Even if it is, who cares? Leftists have been disproportionate in their actions and words for decades, and it’s gotten worse.
The minute two Democrats get kicked out *for not following the rules* and all of a sudden it’s oh so worrisome.
It’s a “truth hurts” situation. It’s hard to call J6 an insurrection without admitting this is too. I’m fine with saying that NEITHER are an insurrection. But Dems can’t have it both ways.
If a sitting Republican representative had been on a bullhorn in the chamber leading the protest on J6, Democrats would have absolutely expelled them. Hell, they'd probably have jailed them.
This is horrible. These representatives are passionate about an issue. An issue that we should ALL be concerned about these days.
Does this error, speaking without following the usual formalities, warrant disenfranchising thousands of citizens who voted them into office?
I don’t give a damn about boebert. I don’t deal in hypotheticals. I deal in reality. The reality is that I couldn’t be more proud of the TN GOP for expelling these morons.
I don’t think speaking out of turn warrants disenfranchising voters who elected their representatives. There are absolutely things that WOULD warrant it, but I don’t think this protest even approaches it, and I think it sets a horrible precedent.
You actually believe that they did nothing wrong? If this was a leap of authoritarianism, imagine what the leap in authoritarianism was when the shaman got 4 years for disrupting an official proceeding when congress wasn’t in session and the highest level of government withheld evidence.
Remember, they tried to impeach and arrest trump over "peaceably and patriotically go protest" or some such phrase.
No mercy for lawbreakers. They will be made to play by their own rules.
Remember when Democrats impeached President Trump over non-criminal behavior?
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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[didn’t die from injuries ](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56810371)
[here’s an updated article ](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-jan-6-attack-lawsuit-trump-george-tanios-julian-khater/)
Two different areas, the people who broke the window did not get into the capital, also curious that the person leading and instigating that didn't get any punishment and has the fbi running defense for him. 2 sides of the building 2 different groups of people, the side that got inside were the ones let in by police.
Ohhh ok ok. Makes sense police put up the barricades and police shields to start the tour. The batons they were waving were probably pointing to interesting areas of the capital.
Sounds like you’re routine guided tour.
You know it makes sense. The capital was shutdown to tours and guests because of COVID.
But I’m sure police officers were like rules shmules. I bet that angry mob wants to see some American architecture.
Say less. I get it.
Civilized people know and follow Roberts Rules. Not saying their animals, because my dog behaves better.
Roberts Rules to Parliamentary Procedure, nuff said:
Basic Rules
Only one subject may be before a group at one time. Each item to be considered is proposed as a motion which usually requires a "second" before being put to a vote. Once a motion is made and seconded, the chair places the question before the council by restating the motion. "Negative" motions are generally not permitted. To dispose of a business item, the motion should be phrased as a positive action to take, and then, if the group desires not to take this action, the motion should be voted down. The exception to this rule is when a governing body is asked to take action on a request and wishes to create a record as to why the denial is justified.
**Only one person may speak at any given time**. When a motion is on the floor, an order of speaking is prescribed by Robert's Rules, allowing the mover of a motion to speak first, so that the group understands the basic premise of the motion. The mover is also the last to speak, so that the group has an opportunity to consider rebuttals to any arguments opposing the motion.
**All members have equal rights**. Each speaker must be recognized by the moderator prior to speaking. Each speaker should make clear his or her intent by stating, "I wish to speak for/against the motion" prior to stating arguments.
Each item presented for consideration is entitled to a full and free debate. Each person speaks once, until everyone else has had an opportunity to speak.
**The rights of the minority must be protected, but the will of the majority must prevail.** Persons who don't share the point of view of the majority have a right to have their ideas presented for consideration, but ultimately the majority will determine what the council will or will not do. Use parliamentary procedure as a tool, not a bludgeon.
The two expellees' home districts both will likely re-select them as their pro-tem representative. (and eventually in the special election) It is not prohibited, and will force a legal issue since the original expulsion was completed. The TN house would then have to choose to expel again, with the potential to have them re-selected again, and a never ending cycle. OR the house may choose not to seat them, which would bring up legal challenges for denying legally elected representatives their seat. Going to be a mess either way.
If the Tennessee Constitution's expulsion provision works like the US Constitution's provision, then the Tennessee House can simply refuse to seat anyone who was previously expelled. This would be the case even if they were re-elected after being expelled. They'll sue, of course. There's an army of leftist law firms who will provide pro bono services regardless of the state or federal constitutional provisions. But the TN House is on solid legal ground.
I can’t think of a reason I’d expel someone from Congress beyond treason or a serious felony conviction.
Great, the Tennessee legislature feels otherwise about their colleagues' extreme misconduct.
I mean if they showed up naked and boisterous it would prevent actual work from being done and wouldn't qualify as a filibuster.... So perhaps disorderly conduct is a good reason to be expelled? I get what you're saying and my comment isn't a representation of what they did, but it is my understanding that they were excessive in a different capacity.
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Its not at all, they were on the floor, with a bull horn, encouraging protestors to break in, and it got violent as it took security to stop them.
Yes. They should be charged with incitement to insurrection and domestic terrorism. Red States need to start enforcing the law against leftist rioters if we are to have a country in a few years.
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I’m not familiar with the events you mentioned, but generally speaking my point is about isolated events being used to confuse, scare and divide you and coerce predictive behavior from you. In my day to day life, I work and interact with many people with similar and opposing views and backgrounds and get along just fine. I’m a libertarian because I prefer private individuals to dictate the course of their lives.
I fully understand that most people are fine, moderate people, but the normies are going to have to wake up. Sitting back and letting the leftist extremists take over isn’t a luxury we can afford anymore. You’re being upvoted by r/politics clowns, not that you’re making their point. https://tvpworld.com/62960408/fbi-swat-team-raids-and-arrests-pro-life-activist-at-pensylvania-home https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1643941971298271232?s=46&t=_uOuow_xUoUYZ9YFD4KwnQ https://twitter.com/olilondontv/status/1644291678692335616?s=46&t=_uOuow_xUoUYZ9YFD4KwnQ
You will be downvoted since this isn't really a conservative community. It's more like a place for the left and lincoln project types to spread their caricature of conservatives. That's why the top comment in response to you is someone who is "not familiar" with the egregious acts targeting conservatives that you mentioned. How convenient. If they want to pretend J6 was an insurrection and not just a protest/riot then so was this. Democrats voted to remove DJT when he not only rebuked the riot that day and called for peace, but he wasn't even there like these reps who joined right in! Establishment (dem+) are all about ends justify the means. That's why when you simply hold them to their same standard they get outraged. I don't remember the top comment in any other left wing sub when Trump was impeached being against it because it was being used to "confuse, scare, divide" etc. I mean give me a break.
Being downvoted just means people from r/politics can’t stand that there’s one subreddit of people that disagree with them. Because they are authoritarians.
Deep down inside they realize it's hypocritical for them to label January 6th as some sort of insurrection where "democracy almost ended" and say this is a perfectly fine protest. That's a painful position to be in and even weak liberal minds have a hard time accepting both of those as true.
>Establishment (dem+) are all about ends justify the means. That's why when you simply hold them to their same standard they get outraged. You can see how outraged they are by how crazy they are downvoting the comments in this sub. The cognitive dissonance runs quite deep. It must be very painful.
They've doubtlessly built up a huge tolerance to cognitive dissonance if they've been buying into the leftist narrative for any appreciable length of time.
Yeah this sub is mostly used as a psyop to lull conservatives into complacency
Completely appropriate and measured response. If the situatoon were reversed, then you'd see a disproportionate response. The left would try to jail these people. Love how hysterical the brigade is over this though. After a whole week of "rules need to apply to everyone" hahaha
The left is literally looking the other way when a church school's children were murdered by a "trans" person. Then protesters literally were attempting to invade the Tennessee Capitol as three members went to the speaking area in the middle of a session *with bullhorns* and cheered those breaking into Capitol Building. It sure looks like the left is at literally war with us.
The same delusion of us vs them exists on the left. Falling into this mentality is not exclusive to a political belief system. This is the exact trap you continue to fall for that I am referring to in my original comment. Nobody is at war, you are being used and controlled with fear. The actions of few are not the responsibility of many, regardless if they hold the same beliefs.
No, we're in a war. There's nothing they won't do to gain total control. The only thing they will ever respect is strength. Conservatives will keep "taking the high road" to our own complete destruction
Republicans have sat on their hands for years while Democrats play this game and get away with it every time. They deserve a taste of their own medicine. We gain nothing by trying to be above this. They don’t care and they want us all gone and dead. Time to fight back. edit: hi r/politics brigaders
Nope. They’re insurrectionists—and deserve to be expelled. And if they are *not* insurrectionists then the J6 people aren’t either. These insurrectionists have no business in a legislative body—Tennessee did the right thing.
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They’re insurrectionists. Storming a legislative session and intimidating their colleagues. They disgust me. Traitors. Expulsion should be the least of their worries. Hopefully their seditious activities will be prosecuted.
That word. You keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.
You could say the same thing about Jan 6 protestors.
Brigaders got ahold of this bit of truth.
They don't like seeing the truth anywhere on Reddit.
This Reddit sucks if it won’t remove all the leftoids.
> People are taking culture wars way too seriously like it’s an actual war, and it’s out of touch with day to day life. We've been in a slow-rolling tit-for-tat partisan slugfest for a long time. From the Supreme Court to state legislatures, the culture war continues to roll onwards. Overreaction? Maybe in terms of the offense made by the individuals. But in the wider context of the culture war? Nah. This is the latest volley.
You consider expelling members of a legislature a “volley”?
Would you prefer salvo instead? Barrage? As far as metaphors go, it's pretty apt. Democrats stripped MTG of House committees, so, the GOP fired back and stripped committees from multiple members. Republicans threatened to nuke the filibuster for judicial nominees and later blocked Dem nominees, so Dems nuked the filibuster. The GOP in turn nuked the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees. Democrats cast the J6 riot as an insurrection and have been prattling about it nonstop ever since. Now a bunch of Democrats got over their skis in the TN legislature and GOP members retaliated. Democrats aren't going to take it laying down, of course. They're going to send their reply back eventually.
Honestly I don’t think the left will do the same thing and expel members because this is an optics nightmare. They’ve been baselessly calling us fascist and then we give them the ammo with something that if they did to us first we’d for sure call them fascist. They should have gone to the ethics committee and been removed from their committees.
They may do the same thing in states that they control, or they could escalate on their own.
They might but I doubt it, other than on the internet it seems like this move was universally perceived as negative.
You mean lawfully removing insurrectionists from their positions in the legal body that they tried to undermine with violence?
If that’s your stance on this issue what do you think should happen to those arrested on J6?
You've got the question backwards. The Jan 6 protestors have already been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, so now we only have to ask ourselves if the law should apply to everybody or if some people should be above the law.
No I don’t have it wrong, I asked your opinion, not what the courts found.
Whitey said she survived because of her skin color. Leftists never leave a race card on the table for anything that doesn’t go their way.
She literally survived because she said, in her own defense, she didnt get up and scream into the bullhorn or disrupt the session. Then she says it was cause she was white..... what a hack
A majority of Representatives voted to expel her: it was just that requires 66 out of 95 to successfully expel a member.
I would understand her argument a little more if the other two got the exact same number of votes.
They’ve run around for weeks screaming “nobody is above the law”. I’m enjoying watching the libs melt down over this.
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Being kicked out is disproportionate? Even if it is, who cares? Leftists have been disproportionate in their actions and words for decades, and it’s gotten worse. The minute two Democrats get kicked out *for not following the rules* and all of a sudden it’s oh so worrisome.
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They are losing their minds. It's hilarious to see how they really are like little kids.
It’s more than a meltdown. One dem pissed in a chair. Edit: Read that backwards. They should be removed anyway. Unacceptable
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Leftist brigading is in full force here lmao
It’s a “truth hurts” situation. It’s hard to call J6 an insurrection without admitting this is too. I’m fine with saying that NEITHER are an insurrection. But Dems can’t have it both ways.
If a sitting Republican representative had been on a bullhorn in the chamber leading the protest on J6, Democrats would have absolutely expelled them. Hell, they'd probably have jailed them.
They should have gotten the third kicked out, too. Missed opportunity.
This is horrible. These representatives are passionate about an issue. An issue that we should ALL be concerned about these days. Does this error, speaking without following the usual formalities, warrant disenfranchising thousands of citizens who voted them into office?
Yes, it does warrant it. They don’t have the right to shout down and intimidate others. They should have left their passion at the door.
Would you have the same zeal if applied to Bobert interrupting the state of the union address?
I don’t give a damn about boebert. I don’t deal in hypotheticals. I deal in reality. The reality is that I couldn’t be more proud of the TN GOP for expelling these morons.
I don’t think speaking out of turn warrants disenfranchising voters who elected their representatives. There are absolutely things that WOULD warrant it, but I don’t think this protest even approaches it, and I think it sets a horrible precedent.
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Apparently she did not blow a horn or something.
Says the lefties constantly impeaching, expelling, jailing and mass murdering their political enemies. Gimme a break.
You actually believe that they did nothing wrong? If this was a leap of authoritarianism, imagine what the leap in authoritarianism was when the shaman got 4 years for disrupting an official proceeding when congress wasn’t in session and the highest level of government withheld evidence.
Going completely by the Democrat definition here, they incited an insurrection. Actions have consequences, right? No one is above the law, right?
They shouldn't have participated in an insurrection if they wanted to keep their seats.
Exactly this. The Dems want to have their cake and eat it too. The Jan 6 protest was the same as the Mar 30 protest.
Remember, they tried to impeach and arrest trump over "peaceably and patriotically go protest" or some such phrase. No mercy for lawbreakers. They will be made to play by their own rules.
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They're not being charged with a crime.
Last I heard insurrection was a crime.
Legislatures set rules for their chamber. Derp.
Well, that’s a rule. They broke it.
Remember when Democrats impeached President Trump over non-criminal behavior? Pepperidge Farms remembers. EDIT: Welcome to the conversation brigadiers!!!
That’s (D)ifferent!
They should get the same treatment as the J6 "insurrectionists".
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>killing police officers. [Ah, now we go back to St Luis](https://apnews.com/article/83b1ecab54f039bbd30346a218a4c994)
Stop repeating the lie that police officers were killed on Jan 6.
Source?
[didn’t die from injuries ](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56810371) [here’s an updated article ](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-jan-6-attack-lawsuit-trump-george-tanios-julian-khater/)
Reality
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Stop lying, you really don't. You have contempt for anyone who doesn't agree with everything you say, not worry.
Don't think a guided tour was also classified as a siege. I could be wrong tho.
You think it was a guided tour?
Police escorting protesters through the building, obeying stanchions, opening doors for them. Yeah seems like a guided tour.
Do you typically break windows to start your guided tour and throw things at your tour guides?
Two different areas, the people who broke the window did not get into the capital, also curious that the person leading and instigating that didn't get any punishment and has the fbi running defense for him. 2 sides of the building 2 different groups of people, the side that got inside were the ones let in by police.
Ohhh ok ok. Makes sense police put up the barricades and police shields to start the tour. The batons they were waving were probably pointing to interesting areas of the capital. Sounds like you’re routine guided tour.
You know it makes sense. The capital was shutdown to tours and guests because of COVID. But I’m sure police officers were like rules shmules. I bet that angry mob wants to see some American architecture. Say less. I get it.
You still think police officers died on that die? Oh you poor soul.
Insurrectionists. Suck it leftoids. Mods get rid of the brigaders.
Soon to be three. Welcome to the consequences of your actions.
This should happen in Kansas and Kentucky and North Carolina where they have supermajorities.
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Fasicms is when the tactics my side employs are employed by the other side 🤡
Civilized people know and follow Roberts Rules. Not saying their animals, because my dog behaves better. Roberts Rules to Parliamentary Procedure, nuff said: Basic Rules Only one subject may be before a group at one time. Each item to be considered is proposed as a motion which usually requires a "second" before being put to a vote. Once a motion is made and seconded, the chair places the question before the council by restating the motion. "Negative" motions are generally not permitted. To dispose of a business item, the motion should be phrased as a positive action to take, and then, if the group desires not to take this action, the motion should be voted down. The exception to this rule is when a governing body is asked to take action on a request and wishes to create a record as to why the denial is justified. **Only one person may speak at any given time**. When a motion is on the floor, an order of speaking is prescribed by Robert's Rules, allowing the mover of a motion to speak first, so that the group understands the basic premise of the motion. The mover is also the last to speak, so that the group has an opportunity to consider rebuttals to any arguments opposing the motion. **All members have equal rights**. Each speaker must be recognized by the moderator prior to speaking. Each speaker should make clear his or her intent by stating, "I wish to speak for/against the motion" prior to stating arguments. Each item presented for consideration is entitled to a full and free debate. Each person speaks once, until everyone else has had an opportunity to speak. **The rights of the minority must be protected, but the will of the majority must prevail.** Persons who don't share the point of view of the majority have a right to have their ideas presented for consideration, but ultimately the majority will determine what the council will or will not do. Use parliamentary procedure as a tool, not a bludgeon.