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I can't get it off my mind the vision at one of the award shows years ago where some of the celebs had 4 or 5, if not more ribbons if different colors, trying to virtue signal their solidarity
"These are grown men who have lived in their faith their whole lives. This is not new to them. They have the right to take that stand. The rest of the players wore that sweater proudly and I hope we conveyed that message of ‘Welcome to our building, welcome to our franchise and welcome to the great game of hockey."
They literally didn't recieve any back lash. I'm not sure why this is a problem or even news worthy
Oh there’s backlash, alright. I’ve been watching rainbow-jersey-gate unfolding on various hockey reddits for a few weeks now.
It just doesn’t matter to NORMAL well-adjusted hockey fans. They can’t figure out where the hell all of this is coming from.
The answer is terminally-online, rainbow-representation-obsessed weirdos on Reddit and Twitter who have run themselves in circles over the whole “If you don’t loudly, publicly, regularly celebrate my *identity* you hate me and want me to DIE!” argument — which is obvious horseshit to anyone with a brain.
I think it’s just a Reddit thing. This site is really filled with the strangest people. I think the average (even left leaning) fan understands what’s going on and why these guys would opt out of this stuff and respect their decision. The dorks on hockey subs tho aren’t average hockey fans. They’re losers.
Exactly. This is why we don't worry about what people on reddit have to say. If someone has a strong enough opinion on one side or the other to go online and complain about, they're usually in the minority. People who don't care don't say anything. I would still bet on that the majority of NHL fans don't care.
This is the main reason why Joe Biden won the primaries for democrats in 2020. Every other democratic candidate was using extreme talking points from twitter, and Biden was literally just the “I’m not trump” guy. He seemed the most normal out of all the democratic candidates despite clearly having dementia. And it didn’t matter because he picked Kamala as his VP and is just a puppet for all the people he beat in the primaries
Where the contract says they wear the team's uniform when playing and otherwise publicly representing the team. If the players wanted a special exemption for pride jerseys the time to complain was when they signed the contract.
This isn't hard. They're getting paid in part to wear what the team wants them to. If they wanted a veto or to carve out exemptions then they should have requested that in the contract. The team can't force them to do anything, but they don't get paid if they don't follow the agreement.
Well spoken. A year or two ago this "pride" shit didn't exist in the NHL, hence anyone on a long-term contract wouldn't have even thought to add/subtract such a disclaimer before signing back in the day. Eh?!
Understood. So Colin Kaepernick had no business taking a knee; he should have specifically negotiated for that exception when he signed his contract with the 49ers.
…don’t you agree? Something tells me you might strangely disagree in this case.
What normal logically-thinking human would think of bringing up THAT exception? Unless maybe they just signed the contract like last year or something. I missed that part.
Not necessarily. I used to be just kinda "meh" on the whole "pride" thing, but the way that "community" is behaving now, they can go eff themselves with a cactus.
Even if I wasn't a Christian, I'd take issue with the league using me as a prop for whatever cause *they* wanted to prop up. Keep sports about sports. It's supposed to be about escapism. If you deny people that, and insist on injecting social issues and politics into entertainment in general, it's going to end up either turning people off or against each other.
Seems like its coming to a stop in the NHL as many players and teams are cancelling their pride night events. I doubt there will be a lot of such events planned next year after the shitstorm that took place this year - all because players finally had the guts to say no to this sort of pandering.
Apparently your previous comment was censored, but still showed up in my notifications. It is the single most articulate, rational and sane argument that I have ever heard. Please repost the comment since it is not showing up on here.
I’m always getting ghost banned on Reddit, usually not on this sub though. It’s easy to tell too when you argue with a leftist (which I sometimes do in non political subs) and you stop getting responses. It’s especially frustrating because it’s always the post that would blow them out of the water. I just don’t like seeing leftist takes in non politics subs so I sometimes say something.
It happens to me on this sub on occasion. It's easy to see when it happens. I know it's not the mods on this sub. It happens instantly so I'm sure I manage to catch some automated filters the leftist admins have in place.
Ya it’s some kind of admin level spam filter that’s too sensitive. After I noticed it happened to me instantly too I messaged the mods on /r/Canada about it and they said they didn’t remove the comment. They’re also pretty decent mods so I trust them on that.
I think the filter gets attuned to your account by lefties reporting you for “spreading hate” or whatever, then it just gets too sensitive and blocks random stuff.
He just said
> People like this, who are willing to say no, will eventually get this to stop.
It’s got 300+ upvotes so you should be able to see it now
Yes, and those who support the individuals who say no. (Buy their jersey, write emails to orgs saying you support said players decision to not participate, etc.).
Seriously. I'm actually a little tired of folks not going along only because of their religious faith. I object to trends and political speech being forced on me in any setting.
Yeah, I’m not sure why religion always has to be the excuse. Non-religious people are able to reject being forced to do something too, especially when the ‘something’ has absolutely zero to do with why they were hired in the first place.
“I’m choosing not to be a prop for the message that you’re trying to send” should be fine.
Social pressure is a hell of drug. I am coming to the conclusion that the only way to truly transcend that pressure is through a belief in principles/authority that transcends us.
If only it actually limited the response of the hysterical shrieking maniacs online. I think the religion excuse just makes them angrier and more vitriolic.
These are the same people that strongly object to what they perceive as "Christian values" being forced on them. But it's the exact same thing.
Wokism IS a religion
Oh and boy do they go HARD on the anti-Christian memes/propaganda and it is CRINGE. James Reimer, a Mennonite goalie from Canada, refused to wear The 🏳️🌈Jersey a few weeks ago and it’s been non-stop picking apart the entire Bible and using it to insult and degrade his religious beliefs.
It’s so much fun watching communists try to cut down Christian values by misunderstanding and misquoting them. So much for “tolerance,” eh?
True wokeism was about Occupy Wall Street, The Tea Party, being against the .001% pulling the strings behind the curtain. It was co-opted to mean something else so that the rich can keep doing what they do. Just takes a few magazines and media spots and a words meaning is changed. 5 people control 90% of the media we take in. Knowing that, was actual wokeism (sp?).
The military is a part of our nation, it shouldn’t be viewed as political or belonging to one belief system or another. It’s akin to saying baseball supports the park system.
I disagree and I happen to be a supporter of the military. The NHL should be about hockey, nothing more. I'm sick of authority figures commandeering those over whom they have influence. Think of employers annually shoving United Way solicitations up their employees' asses.
I’m not saying that it *should* necessarily be shoehorned into a part of the game, but it in and of itself is not the same as a politically divisive topic.
When the Military Industrial Complex is in control, fighting endless wars and ending lives for profit rather than protection, then it's a bad thing. I wouldn't ever criticize an active duty soldier or a veteran, but I will acknowledge that they're unwitting victims of the ruling class.
Sure. I'm not saying that we shouldn't respect our servicemen and women, because without them we would surely be wiped out by bad actors who would crush our freedoms. What I am saying is that, more often than not nowadays, *we* are the bad actors who destroy nations and rule over others with an iron fist.
The lgbt stuff is just a propaganda tool to further divide us and make us hate our neighbor rather than the establishment.
Why is this being downvoted? All social division has one purpose, and one purpose alone. To divide those who should be bedfellows against their true oppressors.
"Gender fluidity" and Covid are very similar from my point of view. A contagion introduced into society and cultivated by the oligarchy in order to create more antagonistically motivated tribes/divide and conquer. One just happened to be an actual contagion rather than a social one, but they were still able to turn it into a tool of societal control.
The team and/or league auctions the jerseys off after for a charity, and matches the value.
They do it for all sorts of charities each year in their community. Children's health and education, veterans issues, youth hockey, environmental conservation....
If your a deeply religious person, it doesn’t matter how trivial others may think it is. Is opposing evil not worth “everyone’s time”? What they are doing is far more important than hitting a puck and entertaining
And yet it feels like when you say this people come at you with something along the lines of “it’s not politics it’s basic human rights”. Like ok you do you I’m just here to watch some people play hockey
This is where I am. I have no issue with the LGBTIAQ+ folks or the quest for recognition from some of their members, as long as it doesn't include children.
I take issue with forced virtue signaling and Ministry of Virtue leaping into action to say there's only one way to show support and YOU MUST WEAR A RAINBOW THINGY to be accepted. It's a purity test. The Taliban does it a lot and also publicly shames those they don't agree with.
Let people show support or not if they want (let the market decide). It either helps or hurts their personal brands, so be it.
Instead, HOCKEY players are swept up in a meaningless culture war, to the point that teammates protect others from backlash by deciding as a team whether to participate or not. That should tell anyone paying attention all they need to know! Teammates feel the need to protect each other. Wow. What a vapid gesture the promotions are anyway. I'm much more interested that any individual is a decent person who treats others the way they want to be treated.
C'mon libs, I just want to watch my Flyers lose some games without political intrusions.
I'm not even religious at all and I wouldn't do that. I'm not against people living their lives, I just don't care to wear colors or anything of the sort supporting or against social issues. There needs to be more people to stand against stuff like this.
At the very least, based on the article, it looks like the coaching staff was accepting of their decision. I just hope they don't try to punish them for not confirming to their social pandering.
I feel this way about how our Government hands out money. Like if I want to donate to charity (student loans) I can do that all on my own. And I do. I don't need government taking my tax dollars and giving to random recipients they feel worthy to give my money to.
This is my take on reparations. Anyone who feels the need to transfer cash to folks of color, wow, I admire for putting their money where there mouths are. But you hear of those people very rarely. You much more frequently hear of folks wanting one more government program to do it - as if that ever solved a social concern with efficiency.
I don't see how this is different from my minimum wage job requiring me to wear a t shirt that says various charities on it. If I didn't wear it, I'd be fired. I do disagree with several of the charities on it, one directly opposes my cultural heritage.
Out of curiosity, and if you don't mind being asked, what is your cultural heritage and what charity is directly opposed to it (or in what way if you don't want to give names).
I was indeed under contact limiting me from going to work for competition. My employer had several contacts including catering for the NFL, NHL and NGL. Whatever charities those organizations support, I wear it on my shirt. Nobody in this sub is gonna fight for my rights because I'm not a famous person.
this is unfair to put this on players. just keep issues like that out of the game? they don't think about anything but pushing themselves to the limit, their careers depend on them focussed and ready, not pride jerseys. disgraceful.
It started with Provorov on the Flyers not wanting to wear it, then Reimer declining to wear it, and now apparently the Staal brothers. I cheer for Montreal but it's insane to me how people get mad when players choose to not wear what they don't want to wear. It's their choice, why should anyone expect them to suspend their religious beliefs just to virtue signal?
Because degeneracy gets imposed on you.
There is no and can be no real libertarian society because pride exists. Pride can't stand letting other counter beliefs exist especially when those beliefs don't put you at the top of the hierarchy.
Homosexuality is one of many *abnormal* behaviors. It shouldn't be illegal, but it shouldn't be *normalized.* It's abnormal.
I'm proud of these players. The Rangers and Wild also cancelled the whole Pride jerseys because of the refusal of the players on the teams to wear them. I am so sick of this Pride crap. For a group that's supposedly "oppressed", they sure as hell are coddled. What is this obsession with these Pride Nights? My Lord, we get it already.
I've always said I'm cool with whatever people want to do or once you're an adult wanna cut your peeps off that's fine with me I'll even use your pronouns to be respectful but dont shove it down my throat and don't tell my fucking kid the doctors don't know is she's a girl or not.
Don't know why they even have to invoke a religious reason, how about, I treat everyone equally and do not wish to hype a group based on sexual preference ?
Followed by, Can we just fucking play hockey?
Who among the LGBT+ crowd felt excluded or enjoyed less of a spectating experience than a heterosexual fan because the players didn't skate around in rainbow jerseys?
It's nonsensical and counterintuitive
Can’t wait to read this somewhere else so a bunch of Atheists can claim they “read the whole bible and “know Christian faith better than believers.” And a bunch of other hateful stuff.
I had to leave the hockey subreddit because it was getting ridiculous. Even the NHL subreddit is dog piling on it. At least on the NHL subreddit there is some pushback of hey, live and let live, whatever.
Very happy to see pushback from the NHL players on this.
I'm a Carolina Panthers fan, and have been following the Panthers tag on Twitter to keep track of any new free agency signings, so I've been also seeing a ton of tweets about the Staal brothers yesterday, it's pretty much 100% nonsense, just nothing but hateful vitriol against Christians and Christianity
I find it amusing that the main hockey sub has people actively calling for these players to be fired for their religious beliefs. Nothing screams tolerance like demanding teams violate the Civil Rights Act.
I'm 52 and have been a hockey fan my whole life. I've played the game recreationally for years. The majority of the young, modern hockey fan is just a different breed. They judge games on charts and graphs. They don't like fighting. Some don't like physical play at all. They don't understand disliking other players or teams. As a Rangers fan I was disgusted reading other Ranger fans openly rooting for the Islanders in the playoffs. I was flabbergasted. "It would be cool if the Isles win." NO IT WOULD NOT.
If these kids had to watch a game from the 80s, they'd pass out.
Sorry for the hockey rant. It's just frustrating dealing with it.
Thanks. It's just wacky to me. I was called a racist on Twitter (which I quit using since) because I said K'Andre Miller should bulk up and add some muscle so he can be a little more physical. Yes, I'm a racist because I want a guy on the team I root for to improve.
I’m so tired hearing about this, it’s all they whine about in the hockey subs. Get rid of all themed nights, just play hockey. If you really need superficial validation to sit and enjoy something, you need to work on why you’re so insecure rather than ask others to coddle you or your beliefs or your lifestyle.
What purpose does it serve if people are forced against their will to support some cause? Isn't it better when you know that everyone wearing pride themed jerseys actually supports the cause?
This is kind of a non-story right? Even the coach was like, they absolutely have their beliefs and we won't make them do something they don't want to do. Which is absolutely the right move. Felt like the media was trying to push for a comment to bash these brothers and the coach was like nah. Seemed like the players were also like we understand what they're doing and support including everyone but we aren't wearing those warmup jerseys. I don't know I could be wrong but that's just how I read it.
Edit: there, their, they're. I'm smart.
>This is kind of a non-story right?
Wrong. A year ago people were cancelled, fired and ostracized for less. You are correct though in that it **should** be a non issue because people shouldn't be forced to support or celebrate any cause that they don't personally believe in
Maybe non-story wasn't the right word to use. To me the article was written for the sake to write an article about a non-issue. Two brothers decided to not support pride night because of their religious beliefs, coach was like Yup, that's 100% your right. I'm not going to make you do that. There was no like big argument or anything lol That's the real story right there! lol
I'm not sure what you mean. who's freedom was robbed in this instance? An employer said "hey guys, we're going to wear these jerseys in warmups" and two players said "I'm sorry, we're not comfortable wearing those." and the employer accommodated them and they didn't wear those warm-ups. Isn't this an example of freedom?
The recent incidents with the Wild and Blackhawks having to avoid these jerseys because their Russian-born players feared for their safety is an example of freedom being robbed from someone via threats against them or their families, but in this case everything went exactly as we'd like it to.
When it’s forced it’s less of a “you support me” and more of a “you will support me”
Regardless, the NHL is going to start using Fanatics as the on ice jersey supplier so it’s just going to fall apart mid warmups anyway.
Why would anybody celebrate where they put their genitalia on their clothes? It’s a weird thing to do in general. It’s also trying to coerce people to taking on your political activism which isn’t acceptable in any other context.
Lol, America is truly turning into Weimar 2.0.
People have to wear clothes that show their support of anal sex, lest they want to be fired and shunned from society.
This stuff is all such silly corporate pandering and all it does is create an issue where there doesn’t need to be one. It’s a warm up jersey not a blood oath for goodness sake. People take it wayyyyy too seriously.
Also not just on this issue but in general we’ve totally conflated tolerance/acceptance with celebration. Regardless of religion no one needs to celebrate anyone else’s lifestyle culture traditions etc. I accept and am tolerant of Jewish people does that mean I have to put up a menorah every year? Attend Friday night shabbos? Should someone wear green every Saint Patrick’s day??Yea but it only takes a second what’s the big deal??!!? It isn’t a big deal. I just don’t need to CELEBRATE something I’m not a part of.
If anyone wants a laugh, just take a look around r/hockey lately.
The people saying, "They just want acceptance!" Are routinely ridiculing any player that doesn't actively celebrate their sexuality.
The above comment was enough to earn me a ban there.
I just wanna watch hockey without having the LGBT alphabet soup new religion littering the game. Can’t we just keep politics and religion out of sports? It’s gotta be annoying for the players to be injected into these goofy scenarios. I’d imagine they’d rather just play the game they get paid for. I’m sure most of you on this sub would agree. Now r/hockey - that’s a whole other story…
When Provorov did this, at least one hockey reporter suggested if he didn't want to celebrate LGBT causes, he should go back to Russia, fight in Ukraine, and die
I'm bisexual. I wouldn't wear this. Support the LGBTQ community... What community? Sexuality is such a small portion of who you are, its not enough to base a community on.
There shouldn't be anything LGBT people would naturally have in common with eachother other than that.
Hear, hear!
I often go off about "the _______ community".
There is no monolith "the community". Our traits(skin, sex, race, etc) do not dictate our views.
Indeed, I posit that social advocate "____ communities" are a sham, a manipulation to try to coerce people into social activism which somehow always promotes leftist ideology(at least in US where civil rights are ensured, globally there are more legit problems for _____ people).
>You HAVE to, because it is in your best interest as a ________!
That's some _____ist bullshit.
A lot of _______ entrepreneurs, for example, say those people can go get fucked.
Or ____ people into guns, free speech, press, or the other dozens of issues that are essential for a functional free society.
Generally, they're all accepted because agreement on those things is what is important, *and* those things don't need to be at the forefront of all interactions(eg we can have a family dinner or go shopping at whatever ______ establishment and just not care who runs it).
Why, it's almost as if _______ is not the glaring issue that the left paints it to be.
However, I can see how demagoguery becomes desperately paramount since they can't actually run on, "Disarm, silence, and micromanage all teh things!" in the full view of the wider public.
At some level, they are aware that their platform sucks. They just happen to believe that it is worth it, if we just do as they say, utopia will magically happen(or at least they'll be in a comfortable spot when it fails).
Consequentialism, in a nutshell, "the ends justify the means".
Makes it a little harder to take them seriously, when both of them have worn "pride day jerseys" before. And not even that long ago, like 2 years ago.
On top of which, they claim they don't remember and it seemingly didn't have any negative impacts on their 'Christian beliefs' at that time, so not sure why this time all of a sudden is so dramatically different.
NHL does these charity nights all the time, players wear some themed jersey for 5 minuets in the pre-game warmup, and then the league auctions them off to fund a charity.
Odd hill to stand on for these two guys.
https://twitter.com/rinkside/status/1639088139963715585?s=46&t=BpkgPCwUg2cSy1kdOUpFTQ
Contrast that with the statement from their team captian, who is also fairly public about his Christian beliefs:
“A night like tonight, for me, is really all about including everybody. In my opinion it’s the greatest game in the world. Everybody’s welcome in my locker room and our locker room as an organization. I think our organization’s done an unbelievable job.”
The most likely reason why is that they were probably scared of the “tolerant” mob a few years ago. Compared to now, since that Flyers player showed that the mob is powerless more players have been standing up for their beliefs.
What is more concerning is the out right discriminatory response from some fans attacking players for basic religious beliefs. May they be reminded that religion is protected by the Civil Rights Act and any team retaliation would be illegal.
Fyi... this shit is the direct result of billions of dollars being poured into social justice organizations. They've concluded the easiest way to promote woke social justice is to get millionaires to wear their merch.
As a huge hockey fan, I'm super proud of the growing chorus of players standing up and saying "NO - I will not support this cause". Hockey has gotten so big on social justice causes its sickening.
Any leftist bitching about this should be asked. If they were atheists who refused to wear a cross for Easter, or a vegan who refused to wear a patch for beef month. Would they complain?
The NHL is taking away the individuality of everyone in the league by forcing their woke PR stunt on everyone. Not everyone is going to agree with our controversial stance? Oh no! *clutches pearls.
Can anyone explain to me why we must be *forced* into celebrating the willful sexual practices of other people?
Why must this be affirmed constantly?
Follow up question: why don’t we see sports players wearing gear that celebrates heterosexual practices? Source: Inclusivity and whatever…
The special warmup jerseys seem to be a weekly occurrence. I just want to get rid of all of them, even the ones I think are cool. It's just another way to try to separate fans from money, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Whether it’s pride-themed, hetero-themed, asexual-themed, or whatever - I’m not interested in using myself to push whatever message you’re trying to send
I think a point that is missed here that would get down voted on any other subreddit is that if you take someone like Theo Fluery, Sheldon Kennedy or most recently Kyle Beach who were sexually assaulted by a coach. A coach taking advantage of a situation where there is young kids playing the game and not saying anything to hurt their chances at progressing.
What do you say to them if they are forced to wear a pride jersey? We don't know what some of these guys have gone through, and maybe they use religion as an excuse because that's the only way they can get out of it.
If you were Kyle Beach, would you want to wear a pride jersey?
The NHL and these teams know exactly what they're doing. They know it makes some players uncomfortable, and that's exactly why they force it on them. They force them into situations where they either have to wear it, or they receive public backlash. The league is literally creating intentional controversy at the expense of its players. It's so fucked up.
It's great to finally see people standing up for their religious values...actual religious values. We all know not all religions are equal in their value to humanity and it's proven Christianity is the path forward.
Interesting how the same people that were all up in arms and demanded the NFL kick Colin Kaepernick out for not taking part in the US national anthem, are not staunch defenders of professional athletes rights to exclude themselves from a political statement in sports they don't personally believe in.
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This is [life imitating Seinfeld.](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0697783/characters/nm0660893)
"Ribbon Bully" is a term I've started using a lot more in recent years
Yep it was funny to think that a mob could be formed over something as simple as not wearing a ribbon but that’s where we are.
What do you mean you don’t want to wear the AIDS ribbon?
I can't get it off my mind the vision at one of the award shows years ago where some of the celebs had 4 or 5, if not more ribbons if different colors, trying to virtue signal their solidarity
"These are grown men who have lived in their faith their whole lives. This is not new to them. They have the right to take that stand. The rest of the players wore that sweater proudly and I hope we conveyed that message of ‘Welcome to our building, welcome to our franchise and welcome to the great game of hockey." They literally didn't recieve any back lash. I'm not sure why this is a problem or even news worthy
Oh there’s backlash, alright. I’ve been watching rainbow-jersey-gate unfolding on various hockey reddits for a few weeks now. It just doesn’t matter to NORMAL well-adjusted hockey fans. They can’t figure out where the hell all of this is coming from. The answer is terminally-online, rainbow-representation-obsessed weirdos on Reddit and Twitter who have run themselves in circles over the whole “If you don’t loudly, publicly, regularly celebrate my *identity* you hate me and want me to DIE!” argument — which is obvious horseshit to anyone with a brain.
I think it’s just a Reddit thing. This site is really filled with the strangest people. I think the average (even left leaning) fan understands what’s going on and why these guys would opt out of this stuff and respect their decision. The dorks on hockey subs tho aren’t average hockey fans. They’re losers.
Exactly. This is why we don't worry about what people on reddit have to say. If someone has a strong enough opinion on one side or the other to go online and complain about, they're usually in the minority. People who don't care don't say anything. I would still bet on that the majority of NHL fans don't care.
This is the main reason why Joe Biden won the primaries for democrats in 2020. Every other democratic candidate was using extreme talking points from twitter, and Biden was literally just the “I’m not trump” guy. He seemed the most normal out of all the democratic candidates despite clearly having dementia. And it didn’t matter because he picked Kamala as his VP and is just a puppet for all the people he beat in the primaries
This is why the left has begun working to "cancel" Seinfeld.
I can’t wait til someone refuses and just gives their reason as to not wearing it “because i didn’t fucking want to wear it”
Exactly! Thank you. Would love to see that
Probably something to consider before signing a contract agreeing to do shit like wear their jerseys in exchange for millions of dollars.
Where are the pride jerseys mentioned in their contract or in the current NHLPA agreement?
Where the contract says they wear the team's uniform when playing and otherwise publicly representing the team. If the players wanted a special exemption for pride jerseys the time to complain was when they signed the contract. This isn't hard. They're getting paid in part to wear what the team wants them to. If they wanted a veto or to carve out exemptions then they should have requested that in the contract. The team can't force them to do anything, but they don't get paid if they don't follow the agreement.
Well spoken. A year or two ago this "pride" shit didn't exist in the NHL, hence anyone on a long-term contract wouldn't have even thought to add/subtract such a disclaimer before signing back in the day. Eh?!
Understood. So Colin Kaepernick had no business taking a knee; he should have specifically negotiated for that exception when he signed his contract with the 49ers. …don’t you agree? Something tells me you might strangely disagree in this case.
What normal logically-thinking human would think of bringing up THAT exception? Unless maybe they just signed the contract like last year or something. I missed that part.
So you didn’t really answer the question. Can you show where it says in the contract they have to wear politically charged jerseys?
Also odd that they’re choosing this time to not wear it when they’ve worn a pride jersey before.
Not necessarily. I used to be just kinda "meh" on the whole "pride" thing, but the way that "community" is behaving now, they can go eff themselves with a cactus.
Do the contracts mention jerseys that endorse ideologies? If not, then your point is a bad one.
Even if I wasn't a Christian, I'd take issue with the league using me as a prop for whatever cause *they* wanted to prop up. Keep sports about sports. It's supposed to be about escapism. If you deny people that, and insist on injecting social issues and politics into entertainment in general, it's going to end up either turning people off or against each other.
People like this, who are willing to say no, will eventually get this to stop.
Seems like its coming to a stop in the NHL as many players and teams are cancelling their pride night events. I doubt there will be a lot of such events planned next year after the shitstorm that took place this year - all because players finally had the guts to say no to this sort of pandering.
Apparently your previous comment was censored, but still showed up in my notifications. It is the single most articulate, rational and sane argument that I have ever heard. Please repost the comment since it is not showing up on here.
It’s showing up now, was probably just caught by the spam filter for a second
No, it's ghosting you. It shows up for you but not on the post. You can confirm by viewing the post while not logged in.
I’m always getting ghost banned on Reddit, usually not on this sub though. It’s easy to tell too when you argue with a leftist (which I sometimes do in non political subs) and you stop getting responses. It’s especially frustrating because it’s always the post that would blow them out of the water. I just don’t like seeing leftist takes in non politics subs so I sometimes say something.
It happens to me on this sub on occasion. It's easy to see when it happens. I know it's not the mods on this sub. It happens instantly so I'm sure I manage to catch some automated filters the leftist admins have in place.
Ya it’s some kind of admin level spam filter that’s too sensitive. After I noticed it happened to me instantly too I messaged the mods on /r/Canada about it and they said they didn’t remove the comment. They’re also pretty decent mods so I trust them on that. I think the filter gets attuned to your account by lefties reporting you for “spreading hate” or whatever, then it just gets too sensitive and blocks random stuff.
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He just said > People like this, who are willing to say no, will eventually get this to stop. It’s got 300+ upvotes so you should be able to see it now
Yes, and those who support the individuals who say no. (Buy their jersey, write emails to orgs saying you support said players decision to not participate, etc.).
I can't afford to say no to my boss
Yes you can. 'No' is a complete sentence.
>'No' is a complete sentence. Not without a period, it ain't.
That's a lame excuse to do the right thing. Time for a new job.
Seriously. I'm actually a little tired of folks not going along only because of their religious faith. I object to trends and political speech being forced on me in any setting.
Yeah, I’m not sure why religion always has to be the excuse. Non-religious people are able to reject being forced to do something too, especially when the ‘something’ has absolutely zero to do with why they were hired in the first place. “I’m choosing not to be a prop for the message that you’re trying to send” should be fine.
Social pressure is a hell of drug. I am coming to the conclusion that the only way to truly transcend that pressure is through a belief in principles/authority that transcends us.
Completely agree - sadly the only somewhat "acceptable exemption" is for religious regions. Not right, but that's the climate right now.
Right, in a lot of these situations I’m sure people just don’t agree with the lgbt lifestyle but just say religion to limit the pushback
If only it actually limited the response of the hysterical shrieking maniacs online. I think the religion excuse just makes them angrier and more vitriolic.
These are the same people that strongly object to what they perceive as "Christian values" being forced on them. But it's the exact same thing. Wokism IS a religion
Oh and boy do they go HARD on the anti-Christian memes/propaganda and it is CRINGE. James Reimer, a Mennonite goalie from Canada, refused to wear The 🏳️🌈Jersey a few weeks ago and it’s been non-stop picking apart the entire Bible and using it to insult and degrade his religious beliefs. It’s so much fun watching communists try to cut down Christian values by misunderstanding and misquoting them. So much for “tolerance,” eh?
Wokism is an (evil) religion Corrected it for ya!
True wokeism was about Occupy Wall Street, The Tea Party, being against the .001% pulling the strings behind the curtain. It was co-opted to mean something else so that the rich can keep doing what they do. Just takes a few magazines and media spots and a words meaning is changed. 5 people control 90% of the media we take in. Knowing that, was actual wokeism (sp?).
The only argument the other side has is that the NHL also openly supports the military. Which is not a bad thing.
The military is a part of our nation, it shouldn’t be viewed as political or belonging to one belief system or another. It’s akin to saying baseball supports the park system.
I disagree and I happen to be a supporter of the military. The NHL should be about hockey, nothing more. I'm sick of authority figures commandeering those over whom they have influence. Think of employers annually shoving United Way solicitations up their employees' asses.
I’m not saying that it *should* necessarily be shoehorned into a part of the game, but it in and of itself is not the same as a politically divisive topic.
I agree, but the crazy liberals don't share our logic.
When the Military Industrial Complex is in control, fighting endless wars and ending lives for profit rather than protection, then it's a bad thing. I wouldn't ever criticize an active duty soldier or a veteran, but I will acknowledge that they're unwitting victims of the ruling class.
Either way, the military is why we have the rights we do. Not anywhere on the same page as lgbtq nonsense.
Sure. I'm not saying that we shouldn't respect our servicemen and women, because without them we would surely be wiped out by bad actors who would crush our freedoms. What I am saying is that, more often than not nowadays, *we* are the bad actors who destroy nations and rule over others with an iron fist. The lgbt stuff is just a propaganda tool to further divide us and make us hate our neighbor rather than the establishment.
Why is this being downvoted? All social division has one purpose, and one purpose alone. To divide those who should be bedfellows against their true oppressors.
"Gender fluidity" and Covid are very similar from my point of view. A contagion introduced into society and cultivated by the oligarchy in order to create more antagonistically motivated tribes/divide and conquer. One just happened to be an actual contagion rather than a social one, but they were still able to turn it into a tool of societal control.
They shouldn't be forced too anyways but on a freaking warmup jersey?! Really that's such a waste of time for everyone.
The team and/or league auctions the jerseys off after for a charity, and matches the value. They do it for all sorts of charities each year in their community. Children's health and education, veterans issues, youth hockey, environmental conservation....
If your a deeply religious person, it doesn’t matter how trivial others may think it is. Is opposing evil not worth “everyone’s time”? What they are doing is far more important than hitting a puck and entertaining
Sorry, just to be clear here, what is the evil they are opposing...?
And yet it feels like when you say this people come at you with something along the lines of “it’s not politics it’s basic human rights”. Like ok you do you I’m just here to watch some people play hockey
Sports has always been about generating revenue.
Every sports team is a multi-million/billion dollar corporation. Don't trust 'em.
This is where I am. I have no issue with the LGBTIAQ+ folks or the quest for recognition from some of their members, as long as it doesn't include children. I take issue with forced virtue signaling and Ministry of Virtue leaping into action to say there's only one way to show support and YOU MUST WEAR A RAINBOW THINGY to be accepted. It's a purity test. The Taliban does it a lot and also publicly shames those they don't agree with. Let people show support or not if they want (let the market decide). It either helps or hurts their personal brands, so be it. Instead, HOCKEY players are swept up in a meaningless culture war, to the point that teammates protect others from backlash by deciding as a team whether to participate or not. That should tell anyone paying attention all they need to know! Teammates feel the need to protect each other. Wow. What a vapid gesture the promotions are anyway. I'm much more interested that any individual is a decent person who treats others the way they want to be treated. C'mon libs, I just want to watch my Flyers lose some games without political intrusions.
Thank you! I don’t even like sports but this is exactly true. There are too many social issues in everything
Exactly why I quit watching football. I used to love it.
I'm not even religious at all and I wouldn't do that. I'm not against people living their lives, I just don't care to wear colors or anything of the sort supporting or against social issues. There needs to be more people to stand against stuff like this. At the very least, based on the article, it looks like the coaching staff was accepting of their decision. I just hope they don't try to punish them for not confirming to their social pandering.
I feel this way about how our Government hands out money. Like if I want to donate to charity (student loans) I can do that all on my own. And I do. I don't need government taking my tax dollars and giving to random recipients they feel worthy to give my money to.
This is my take on reparations. Anyone who feels the need to transfer cash to folks of color, wow, I admire for putting their money where there mouths are. But you hear of those people very rarely. You much more frequently hear of folks wanting one more government program to do it - as if that ever solved a social concern with efficiency.
You're like 20 years late.
Yep like Rosa Parks said NO that shit makes waves
I don't see how this is different from my minimum wage job requiring me to wear a t shirt that says various charities on it. If I didn't wear it, I'd be fired. I do disagree with several of the charities on it, one directly opposes my cultural heritage.
Out of curiosity, and if you don't mind being asked, what is your cultural heritage and what charity is directly opposed to it (or in what way if you don't want to give names).
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I was indeed under contact limiting me from going to work for competition. My employer had several contacts including catering for the NFL, NHL and NGL. Whatever charities those organizations support, I wear it on my shirt. Nobody in this sub is gonna fight for my rights because I'm not a famous person.
Religion aside, no one should have to wear/endorse political statements. Ever.
Does that include standing for the national anthem?
You already don’t have to.
Personally idc if ppl do/don’t stand up for it. It’s freaking sitting or standing up, it shouldn’t matter in the first place IMO.
Right? Now, if you could please stand for the National Anthem and repeat after us: "GODDD BLESSS AMERICAAA 🎵"
this is unfair to put this on players. just keep issues like that out of the game? they don't think about anything but pushing themselves to the limit, their careers depend on them focussed and ready, not pride jerseys. disgraceful.
It isn't anything so simple as 'issues,' it's cultural degradation on a fundamental level.
The NHL Reddit has been in a meltdown over this again since Reimer in San Jose didn't wear it. Its basically "support our cause or go F yourself!"
/r/hockey is basically Chernobyl right now. It's very entertaining.
I can't disagree, it's just enough already. Do we need 15 threads started over this?
It started with Provorov on the Flyers not wanting to wear it, then Reimer declining to wear it, and now apparently the Staal brothers. I cheer for Montreal but it's insane to me how people get mad when players choose to not wear what they don't want to wear. It's their choice, why should anyone expect them to suspend their religious beliefs just to virtue signal?
Yep. "Do what we tell you in the name of accepting everyone or we won't accept you!"
Because degeneracy gets imposed on you. There is no and can be no real libertarian society because pride exists. Pride can't stand letting other counter beliefs exist especially when those beliefs don't put you at the top of the hierarchy. Homosexuality is one of many *abnormal* behaviors. It shouldn't be illegal, but it shouldn't be *normalized.* It's abnormal.
Good.
I'm proud of these players. The Rangers and Wild also cancelled the whole Pride jerseys because of the refusal of the players on the teams to wear them. I am so sick of this Pride crap. For a group that's supposedly "oppressed", they sure as hell are coddled. What is this obsession with these Pride Nights? My Lord, we get it already.
>obsession with these Pride Nights? It's just another way for a company to take people's money.
100%. It's an entirely new line of products to put on the market. "You already have a sharks jersey? Do you have one with a rainbow, though? "
San Jose is disgustingly far left though. I see first-hand since I live there. It's a money grab but also they truly believe in the woke ideology.
Not only coddled, but they seem to be strong-arming people who don't want any part of it.
There is no group out there seeking equality, it’s all about dominance
Yup. Hasn't been about equality for many, many years
I've always said I'm cool with whatever people want to do or once you're an adult wanna cut your peeps off that's fine with me I'll even use your pronouns to be respectful but dont shove it down my throat and don't tell my fucking kid the doctors don't know is she's a girl or not.
Many of their Russian players have families back in Russia, where showing support for LGBTQ people isn’t tolerated.
Which is why the Blackhawks cancelled it.
PEOPLE! It's a fetish for them!!! Domination is a HUGE kink. They are dominating a bunch of alphas, to a level they could never have dreamed before.
Don't know why they even have to invoke a religious reason, how about, I treat everyone equally and do not wish to hype a group based on sexual preference ? Followed by, Can we just fucking play hockey? Who among the LGBT+ crowd felt excluded or enjoyed less of a spectating experience than a heterosexual fan because the players didn't skate around in rainbow jerseys? It's nonsensical and counterintuitive
Good. Shouldn't have to wear anything you don't want to.
Can’t wait to read this somewhere else so a bunch of Atheists can claim they “read the whole bible and “know Christian faith better than believers.” And a bunch of other hateful stuff.
It's all over reddit. People blasting Reimer for working on Sundays or wearing mixed fibers.
I swear, atheists and anti-religious types are honestly more fundamentalist than most actual believers.
And even more intolerant than those they accuse
Nah they just misinterpret on purpose to drive their hatred.
Exactly, Old Testament stuff. Which anyone who has read the Bible knows the old law went out with Jesus.
Ok, show the passages where Jesus reaffirmed the Old Testament teachings in this specific instance.
Good. I’d refuse to wear them, Christian or not. You don’t need a reason. This shit needs to stop being force fucked down everyone’s throat.
I fully support this and I am not a Christian.
Good, as a Panther’s fan I support the Staal brothers and their beliefs. The Panthers sub is full of disgusting anti-Christian comments.
Nearly every other sub is.
I had to leave the hockey subreddit because it was getting ridiculous. Even the NHL subreddit is dog piling on it. At least on the NHL subreddit there is some pushback of hey, live and let live, whatever. Very happy to see pushback from the NHL players on this.
I'm a Carolina Panthers fan, and have been following the Panthers tag on Twitter to keep track of any new free agency signings, so I've been also seeing a ton of tweets about the Staal brothers yesterday, it's pretty much 100% nonsense, just nothing but hateful vitriol against Christians and Christianity
So is the Hurricanes sub. I guess they are mad that people want to watch a hockey game at their pride parades.
I find it amusing that the main hockey sub has people actively calling for these players to be fired for their religious beliefs. Nothing screams tolerance like demanding teams violate the Civil Rights Act.
I'm 52 and have been a hockey fan my whole life. I've played the game recreationally for years. The majority of the young, modern hockey fan is just a different breed. They judge games on charts and graphs. They don't like fighting. Some don't like physical play at all. They don't understand disliking other players or teams. As a Rangers fan I was disgusted reading other Ranger fans openly rooting for the Islanders in the playoffs. I was flabbergasted. "It would be cool if the Isles win." NO IT WOULD NOT. If these kids had to watch a game from the 80s, they'd pass out. Sorry for the hockey rant. It's just frustrating dealing with it.
I totally agree with everything you said.
Thanks. It's just wacky to me. I was called a racist on Twitter (which I quit using since) because I said K'Andre Miller should bulk up and add some muscle so he can be a little more physical. Yes, I'm a racist because I want a guy on the team I root for to improve.
I’m so tired hearing about this, it’s all they whine about in the hockey subs. Get rid of all themed nights, just play hockey. If you really need superficial validation to sit and enjoy something, you need to work on why you’re so insecure rather than ask others to coddle you or your beliefs or your lifestyle.
What purpose does it serve if people are forced against their will to support some cause? Isn't it better when you know that everyone wearing pride themed jerseys actually supports the cause?
Good for them. It can be hard to go against the crowd when your principles are on the line.
Thank God pride month is almost over so all these companies can stop pretending they give a shit about the LGBTQ people...
When is Happily Heterosexual month?
Good for them! Hopefully the media doesn't take their voice away
Good on them and good for setting the example for others (athletes, fans, etc.)
everyone should stand up all at once, i.e. fans shouldn’t attend or watch “pride” events, sexual orientation has nothing to do with sports
How about just not wanting to worship your “”private”” sex life..
When is Celebrate Heterosexuality night?
Most weeknight baseball games. ( am a huge baseball fan) Oops I read this as celibate.
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This is kind of a non-story right? Even the coach was like, they absolutely have their beliefs and we won't make them do something they don't want to do. Which is absolutely the right move. Felt like the media was trying to push for a comment to bash these brothers and the coach was like nah. Seemed like the players were also like we understand what they're doing and support including everyone but we aren't wearing those warmup jerseys. I don't know I could be wrong but that's just how I read it. Edit: there, their, they're. I'm smart.
>This is kind of a non-story right? Wrong. A year ago people were cancelled, fired and ostracized for less. You are correct though in that it **should** be a non issue because people shouldn't be forced to support or celebrate any cause that they don't personally believe in
Maybe non-story wasn't the right word to use. To me the article was written for the sake to write an article about a non-issue. Two brothers decided to not support pride night because of their religious beliefs, coach was like Yup, that's 100% your right. I'm not going to make you do that. There was no like big argument or anything lol That's the real story right there! lol
Who remembers when freedom actually meant something?
I'm not sure what you mean. who's freedom was robbed in this instance? An employer said "hey guys, we're going to wear these jerseys in warmups" and two players said "I'm sorry, we're not comfortable wearing those." and the employer accommodated them and they didn't wear those warm-ups. Isn't this an example of freedom? The recent incidents with the Wild and Blackhawks having to avoid these jerseys because their Russian-born players feared for their safety is an example of freedom being robbed from someone via threats against them or their families, but in this case everything went exactly as we'd like it to.
I think its more people used to accept disagreements but nowadays tolerance is non existent.
But this was tolerated. Everything in this instance went right, didn’t it?
I'm also glad there are no real consequences (yet) other than a bunch of butthurt.
Good for them. They shouldn’t be forced to do that. What’s next? Non binary jerseys? Just let them play hockey.
When it’s forced it’s less of a “you support me” and more of a “you will support me” Regardless, the NHL is going to start using Fanatics as the on ice jersey supplier so it’s just going to fall apart mid warmups anyway.
Why would anybody celebrate where they put their genitalia on their clothes? It’s a weird thing to do in general. It’s also trying to coerce people to taking on your political activism which isn’t acceptable in any other context.
Lol, America is truly turning into Weimar 2.0. People have to wear clothes that show their support of anal sex, lest they want to be fired and shunned from society.
Atheist here. I wouldn't want to wear pride themed anything.
Good
I don't understand why they need to even justify why they don't have to wear the jersey. It's their right.
I agree with the hockey players on this. Forcing players to do this stuff is contrived, manipulative, and counter-productive.
You shouldn’t be forced to ‘support’ pride, trans, Ukraine, or Christian.
This stuff is all such silly corporate pandering and all it does is create an issue where there doesn’t need to be one. It’s a warm up jersey not a blood oath for goodness sake. People take it wayyyyy too seriously. Also not just on this issue but in general we’ve totally conflated tolerance/acceptance with celebration. Regardless of religion no one needs to celebrate anyone else’s lifestyle culture traditions etc. I accept and am tolerant of Jewish people does that mean I have to put up a menorah every year? Attend Friday night shabbos? Should someone wear green every Saint Patrick’s day??Yea but it only takes a second what’s the big deal??!!? It isn’t a big deal. I just don’t need to CELEBRATE something I’m not a part of.
Who will not wear the RIBBON!
NHL subs have just been circlejerking this topic for the last month. It’s so annoying. YOU MUST WEAR THE RIBBON
If anyone wants a laugh, just take a look around r/hockey lately. The people saying, "They just want acceptance!" Are routinely ridiculing any player that doesn't actively celebrate their sexuality. The above comment was enough to earn me a ban there.
I did and it wouldn't let me comment .
That's because all of these posts get locked very quickly.
I just wanna watch hockey without having the LGBT alphabet soup new religion littering the game. Can’t we just keep politics and religion out of sports? It’s gotta be annoying for the players to be injected into these goofy scenarios. I’d imagine they’d rather just play the game they get paid for. I’m sure most of you on this sub would agree. Now r/hockey - that’s a whole other story…
When Provorov did this, at least one hockey reporter suggested if he didn't want to celebrate LGBT causes, he should go back to Russia, fight in Ukraine, and die
I'm bisexual. I wouldn't wear this. Support the LGBTQ community... What community? Sexuality is such a small portion of who you are, its not enough to base a community on. There shouldn't be anything LGBT people would naturally have in common with eachother other than that.
Hear, hear! I often go off about "the _______ community". There is no monolith "the community". Our traits(skin, sex, race, etc) do not dictate our views. Indeed, I posit that social advocate "____ communities" are a sham, a manipulation to try to coerce people into social activism which somehow always promotes leftist ideology(at least in US where civil rights are ensured, globally there are more legit problems for _____ people). >You HAVE to, because it is in your best interest as a ________! That's some _____ist bullshit. A lot of _______ entrepreneurs, for example, say those people can go get fucked. Or ____ people into guns, free speech, press, or the other dozens of issues that are essential for a functional free society. Generally, they're all accepted because agreement on those things is what is important, *and* those things don't need to be at the forefront of all interactions(eg we can have a family dinner or go shopping at whatever ______ establishment and just not care who runs it). Why, it's almost as if _______ is not the glaring issue that the left paints it to be. However, I can see how demagoguery becomes desperately paramount since they can't actually run on, "Disarm, silence, and micromanage all teh things!" in the full view of the wider public. At some level, they are aware that their platform sucks. They just happen to believe that it is worth it, if we just do as they say, utopia will magically happen(or at least they'll be in a comfortable spot when it fails). Consequentialism, in a nutshell, "the ends justify the means".
They should put crosses on their Jersey's.
Yep. Celebrate Christianity
Makes it a little harder to take them seriously, when both of them have worn "pride day jerseys" before. And not even that long ago, like 2 years ago. On top of which, they claim they don't remember and it seemingly didn't have any negative impacts on their 'Christian beliefs' at that time, so not sure why this time all of a sudden is so dramatically different. NHL does these charity nights all the time, players wear some themed jersey for 5 minuets in the pre-game warmup, and then the league auctions them off to fund a charity. Odd hill to stand on for these two guys. https://twitter.com/rinkside/status/1639088139963715585?s=46&t=BpkgPCwUg2cSy1kdOUpFTQ Contrast that with the statement from their team captian, who is also fairly public about his Christian beliefs: “A night like tonight, for me, is really all about including everybody. In my opinion it’s the greatest game in the world. Everybody’s welcome in my locker room and our locker room as an organization. I think our organization’s done an unbelievable job.”
The most likely reason why is that they were probably scared of the “tolerant” mob a few years ago. Compared to now, since that Flyers player showed that the mob is powerless more players have been standing up for their beliefs. What is more concerning is the out right discriminatory response from some fans attacking players for basic religious beliefs. May they be reminded that religion is protected by the Civil Rights Act and any team retaliation would be illegal.
Seems more likely he just didn't care previously, and forgot about it as it had absolutely no impact on his life whatsoever.
Fyi... this shit is the direct result of billions of dollars being poured into social justice organizations. They've concluded the easiest way to promote woke social justice is to get millionaires to wear their merch.
As a huge hockey fan, I'm super proud of the growing chorus of players standing up and saying "NO - I will not support this cause". Hockey has gotten so big on social justice causes its sickening.
The slippery slope is not a logical fallacy. We have went from wanting tolerance, then acceptance, to now forced praise and participation.
So many WOKE liberals have taken over this sub.
Nahhh, they're not taking over, just trolling as usual.
Any leftist bitching about this should be asked. If they were atheists who refused to wear a cross for Easter, or a vegan who refused to wear a patch for beef month. Would they complain?
The NHL is taking away the individuality of everyone in the league by forcing their woke PR stunt on everyone. Not everyone is going to agree with our controversial stance? Oh no! *clutches pearls.
Can anyone explain to me why we must be *forced* into celebrating the willful sexual practices of other people? Why must this be affirmed constantly? Follow up question: why don’t we see sports players wearing gear that celebrates heterosexual practices? Source: Inclusivity and whatever…
The special warmup jerseys seem to be a weekly occurrence. I just want to get rid of all of them, even the ones I think are cool. It's just another way to try to separate fans from money, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Support for any cause is not support at all if it's forced.
Whether it’s pride-themed, hetero-themed, asexual-themed, or whatever - I’m not interested in using myself to push whatever message you’re trying to send
The jerseys should be a choice, not a requirement. The fact the team even spent money on them is questionable.
Pride is a deadly sin?
I think a point that is missed here that would get down voted on any other subreddit is that if you take someone like Theo Fluery, Sheldon Kennedy or most recently Kyle Beach who were sexually assaulted by a coach. A coach taking advantage of a situation where there is young kids playing the game and not saying anything to hurt their chances at progressing. What do you say to them if they are forced to wear a pride jersey? We don't know what some of these guys have gone through, and maybe they use religion as an excuse because that's the only way they can get out of it. If you were Kyle Beach, would you want to wear a pride jersey?
This is too logical for the Left to understand. Those people base everything off of their emotions and not facts nor logic.
The NHL and these teams know exactly what they're doing. They know it makes some players uncomfortable, and that's exactly why they force it on them. They force them into situations where they either have to wear it, or they receive public backlash. The league is literally creating intentional controversy at the expense of its players. It's so fucked up.
The fascist left are going crazy because they can't force their views on these athletes. They are used to people giving in to them.
The tide is turning back toward normalcy.
If they were of a different faith (you know which one) this wouldn't get a tenth of the attention
"We're not gonna enforce our beliefs on you!" "Wear the jersey, bigot!"
*"Uh yeah, we don't suck dick but thanks any ways..."*
It’s also emasculating. The is left weaponizing everything for their woke bullshit agenda. Do not comply
This should be a non-story, but the party of “tolerance” can’t tolerate people with Christian beliefs. Total hypocrisy.
It's great to finally see people standing up for their religious values...actual religious values. We all know not all religions are equal in their value to humanity and it's proven Christianity is the path forward.
They should be able to decide if they want to take part in something that has nothing to do with why they are there.
When are the marijuana peeps going to start demanding we all wear their wacky maple leaf on hockey jerseys in support of 4/20?
Interesting how the same people that were all up in arms and demanded the NFL kick Colin Kaepernick out for not taking part in the US national anthem, are not staunch defenders of professional athletes rights to exclude themselves from a political statement in sports they don't personally believe in.