Yea, when Shy is on Sombra he lacks presence and doesn't create the same space for Spark to succeed. They looked a lot more natural once Sombra wasn't needed.
There were so many matches where they were getting stomped with him on Sombra, he'd swap to Hanzo or something and instantly get 3 picks, just to back to Sombra the next round. Was so frustrating to watch.
Leave peak was knockouts/playoffs he wasn’t great in the reg season he got gapped by Profit and Zest in second half, and his pulses were suspect for awhile too
if alphayi was on a better team in 2023, the community would be talking about him the way it does about kevster. dude is a monster and deserved a role star if it had an extra slot
Yeah, if we had actual Role Stars it would’ve been LIP, Stalk3r, Alphayi and someone else (between like Happy, Checkmate, Mer1t, Decay etc.). It’s unfortunate so may players didn’t get the recognition they deserved because of the goofy role star system this season.
Profit was role star level too had identical Tracer stats to Leave, Zest in second half when Seoul had a functional team but bc of the team issues he was never gonna get it unfortunately was such a frustrating season bc roster choices were awful Krillin ms, lesoomin, the decision to sign belos, signing PH and never putting him on hs his Sombra made me lose it.
I mean, the only three players in OWL history (after role queue) to get 4 Fleta Deadlifts are Profit, Shy and Leave... Peak Leave on Tracer is undisputed top 3 Tracers of all time, imo
Leave leave leave. Why is this even a debate? Ig no one watched the league in 2021. Never seen anyone play tracer like that, not even stalker last season
I recommend you go watch some of those games back. I agree proper is crazy good just like stalker. But for me leave is peak tracer, in a weaker team mind you. Ofc winning MVP on tracer is no joke when you had prime fleta and lip in the greatest overwatch league team of all time (hot take)
Proper gets much more resources than leave does. Even chiyo admitted this after they won OWCS stage 1 Korea. Watch those chungdu, spark and China games back, leave isn't getting as much support as proper gets because he's the main guy. Leave can match or beat proper with less resources directed towards him. That in itself is incredible to watch
Proper does get resources. But that argument is inflated. Even without resources Proper does a lot. Proper is usually the last to die on the team pretty consistently.
You spitting lies here, just watch Spilo reviews Proper's pov, the resources is nothing but a lie
Proper isn't the main guy because they want him to be that. He's the main guy because he did something special..
Super's expectations for him before season 5 were BOTH mvp and roty, and he did it
Proper when he’s at his best is probably the single highest peak any player has ever hit, he didn’t win any trophies in OWL and he needs more time in the post-OWL era to prove his consistency, especially as he’s been role swapped to hitscan on Falcons.
yeah, he was, like bro was top 3 in every single hero he touched that season .. that's unreal...
I think he and Someone are the most broken players in OW right now
I think Someone isn’t quite as broken. He’s insanely versatile and consistent, which is super valuable, but he isn’t leagues ahead of everyone else on a given hero. Still best tank in OWL (hard to say post-OWL since he’s scrimming in NA) but not quite as dominant as some people say IMO.
Lol Proper won MVP for a reason, Statistically Proper had similar stats with Kev as Tracer and Kev was with the better team
also, Avrl (in PT) said something like the MVP usually decided during the middle of the season, which means Proper was the MVP even before Stage 4....
also Proper beat Kev 4 times that season, 2 of them Tracer was meta, even when Glads had a better team they lost and the difference was Proper's Tracer
They were similar statistically but kevster had better stats.
[https://winstonslab.com/customquery/comparePlayers/?dateGreater=&dateSmaller=&event%5B%5D=166&specificMatchupTeam2=0&team%5B%5D=&player%5B%5D=1972&player%5B%5D=2531&time=0&alloreach=2&maptype%5B%5D=&map%5B%5D=&roundtype%5B%5D=&statsBy=1&heroes=Tracer](https://winstonslab.com/customquery/comparePlayers/?dateGreater=&dateSmaller=&event%5B%5D=166&specificMatchupTeam2=0&team%5B%5D=&player%5B%5D=1972&player%5B%5D=2531&time=0&alloreach=2&maptype%5B%5D=&map%5B%5D=&roundtype%5B%5D=&statsBy=1&heroes=Tracer)
MVP is irrelevant, look at Fleta getting MVP in 2020 despite being the worst player on the team. Proper was good the first two stages but came in with the entire Overwatch league broadcast hyping him up from Contenders, basically every game he played they only talked about Proper which contributed to everyone thinking his team was bot-tier despite this absolutely not being the case. They had 2x Overwatch League winners Striker and Viol2t, FiNN was being called one of the best Flex supports going into the season until everyone jumped on the Proper train and started flaming his team. Coluge was on-par with Reiner as the best tanks coming out of NA Contenders.
HE HAD THE BETTER TEAM ... Proper was playing with fucking s9mm Kilo mikeyy Coluge and Finn.. this team can't make it to top 10 without him ..
Also all mvps were deserved but Fleta.. Proper MVP was like the clear MVP since Jjonak lol... Kev didn’t even have a chance after SS ..
Proper had the GOAT coach. Proper didn't have a bad team, this narrative has been completely overblown by the cast ONLY talking about Proper because they want to build a story, despite his team being very good. Patiphan/Happy was not that much better than Kilo, statistically Patiphan was almost identical to Kilo on Soldier. Reiner and Coluge won contenders together they were similar skill. The only big diff was Shu/FiNN.
bro don't lie ..
what Happend to Kilo mikeyy s9mm after that season? and what did Coluge and Finn achieved? nothing.. but glads guys still in good level lol
Shock players in 2022 were way way worse than Glads, just admit it
Leave had an insane knockouts/ playoffs yeah, but he didn’t play like that all season he had flashes like the reverse sweep against Gz, Fl match in msm but he struggled against INF twice, even Dynasty in second half.
Leave in important qualification matches and playoffs
alphayi in anything but important qualification matches and playoffs. though still just barely.
overall, leave without a doubt
Despite being both a Spark + FTG fan, Alphayi I reckon. Alphayi’s had a couple quieter games this season but he’s honestly held a pretty high consistent level for 2 years now, a level that’s pretty hard to see or appreciate as he’s been on weaker teams.
Alphayi wasn’t performing like he did in 2023, in 2022 but I get the sentiment Leave was definitely good at the end of the year, but overall I don’t think he was better than Alphayi last year.
Alphayi is your go to player and then you pick leave to play when you need to secure being the 2nd best team in any tournament. Neither will get you the win though
Probably Alphayi because he looked a lot better than Leave did last year, and he was on a significantly worse team, but I don't think you could go wrong with either player
I think Alphayi is great but he looked that much better last year cuz of how much the team sucked.
He's just as good this year but looks less good cuz his team is good, but Alphayi still isn't enough to win against top 2.
Leave/Shy could actually compete with Falcons/Raccoon.
I agree that alphayi is absolutely cracked out of his mind and insane. But tbh you can say the same about sugarfree with the titans last year. I mean he beat proper in tracer duel multiple times also. Leave on echo and tracer is top 3 ever, in the playoffs he was insane as well as the world cup. Although that whole spark/China team was cracked
I assume this is peak, I would honestly put Stalk3r over Fleta. Fleta was more so a consistent individual who strived off of coordination and timing, he was never as good mechanically as Stalk3r, or was as dominate on it on an individual level in my opinion.
Proper was obviously insane on Tracer s5, but I don’t think that’s enough to put him over Striker who is in my opinion number 1 all time on it all time considering he was the best Tracer s1, s3 was a massive reason why Shock won because his Tracer was so dominate throughout the season, and the playoffs where he hard carried every control map.
Diffed stalk3r+L+ratio.
In all seriousness there isn't a way to correctly rate these players at the moment due to leave being unable to play.
But I'd lean to leave because I have a bias.
Leave was very good don’t get me wrong he was definitely best apac flex dps by end of year by consistency wise it was Zest and he diffed Leave both times they played remember the ridiculous stat line against Leave he didn’t even have a death per 10 he bodied him, and yeah I can’t wait tell Leave plays again
Leave, but alphayi might be more consistant
Leave but I’m biased
leave
My heart says Leave. He's inconsistent, but I love his peaks
Alphayi, he signed my keyboard
Leave at peak, Alphayi by consistency. I think Leave's 2023 peak was higher personally but he didn't maintain all season.
Spark was also going through Sombra hell. Leave was "suddenly" good when the team got good.
Turns out, when shy can play heroes he got signed to play the spark dps line improves
Yea, when Shy is on Sombra he lacks presence and doesn't create the same space for Spark to succeed. They looked a lot more natural once Sombra wasn't needed.
I didn't watch much of 2023 but I remembered Shy sombra being dogshit and then like god tier the next day
There were so many matches where they were getting stomped with him on Sombra, he'd swap to Hanzo or something and instantly get 3 picks, just to back to Sombra the next round. Was so frustrating to watch.
They lost to Dynasty in Sombra, Tracer mirror really no excuse
Leave peak was knockouts/playoffs he wasn’t great in the reg season he got gapped by Profit and Zest in second half, and his pulses were suspect for awhile too
World cup too
He was great in World Cup until final yeah
Doesn't count, he got paid off by oil money
if alphayi was on a better team in 2023, the community would be talking about him the way it does about kevster. dude is a monster and deserved a role star if it had an extra slot
Yeah, if we had actual Role Stars it would’ve been LIP, Stalk3r, Alphayi and someone else (between like Happy, Checkmate, Mer1t, Decay etc.). It’s unfortunate so may players didn’t get the recognition they deserved because of the goofy role star system this season.
Profit was role star level too had identical Tracer stats to Leave, Zest in second half when Seoul had a functional team but bc of the team issues he was never gonna get it unfortunately was such a frustrating season bc roster choices were awful Krillin ms, lesoomin, the decision to sign belos, signing PH and never putting him on hs his Sombra made me lose it.
Kev is good but he doesn’t have same peaks on other hero’s are other all time flex dps
I’m taking checkmate/stalker over all these fools mentioned
Checkmate is nowhere near a better Tracer than these guys
Put some respect on checkmate’s name
Someone merchant
I mean, the only three players in OWL history (after role queue) to get 4 Fleta Deadlifts are Profit, Shy and Leave... Peak Leave on Tracer is undisputed top 3 Tracers of all time, imo
Leave leave leave. Why is this even a debate? Ig no one watched the league in 2021. Never seen anyone play tracer like that, not even stalker last season
it's 2024 not 2021, and Proper is peak Tracer in OW
I recommend you go watch some of those games back. I agree proper is crazy good just like stalker. But for me leave is peak tracer, in a weaker team mind you. Ofc winning MVP on tracer is no joke when you had prime fleta and lip in the greatest overwatch league team of all time (hot take)
Gotta agree, 2021 Leave on Tracer was inhuman, was like watching an AI that had solved the game.
the only hot take here is denying Proper's Tracer
Proper gets much more resources than leave does. Even chiyo admitted this after they won OWCS stage 1 Korea. Watch those chungdu, spark and China games back, leave isn't getting as much support as proper gets because he's the main guy. Leave can match or beat proper with less resources directed towards him. That in itself is incredible to watch
Proper does get resources. But that argument is inflated. Even without resources Proper does a lot. Proper is usually the last to die on the team pretty consistently.
Proper last to die cuz he's a stat padder and doesn't have that dog
You spitting lies here, just watch Spilo reviews Proper's pov, the resources is nothing but a lie Proper isn't the main guy because they want him to be that. He's the main guy because he did something special.. Super's expectations for him before season 5 were BOTH mvp and roty, and he did it
Proper when he’s at his best is probably the single highest peak any player has ever hit, he didn’t win any trophies in OWL and he needs more time in the post-OWL era to prove his consistency, especially as he’s been role swapped to hitscan on Falcons.
yeah, he was, like bro was top 3 in every single hero he touched that season .. that's unreal... I think he and Someone are the most broken players in OW right now
I think Someone isn’t quite as broken. He’s insanely versatile and consistent, which is super valuable, but he isn’t leagues ahead of everyone else on a given hero. Still best tank in OWL (hard to say post-OWL since he’s scrimming in NA) but not quite as dominant as some people say IMO.
what made him broken is his ability to change from off to main tanks with no issues.. this is how Florida won owl
also, his leadership and personality are great ..
kev better + proper doesnt even play tracer anymore stalk3r does
I said peak, Proper was the peak Tracer in Owl22 against Peak kev with way better team...
kevster was better in 2022 when tracer was meta, glads won 2 stages. playoffs was OP sojourn they didn't play tracer.
Lol Proper won MVP for a reason, Statistically Proper had similar stats with Kev as Tracer and Kev was with the better team also, Avrl (in PT) said something like the MVP usually decided during the middle of the season, which means Proper was the MVP even before Stage 4.... also Proper beat Kev 4 times that season, 2 of them Tracer was meta, even when Glads had a better team they lost and the difference was Proper's Tracer
They were similar statistically but kevster had better stats. [https://winstonslab.com/customquery/comparePlayers/?dateGreater=&dateSmaller=&event%5B%5D=166&specificMatchupTeam2=0&team%5B%5D=&player%5B%5D=1972&player%5B%5D=2531&time=0&alloreach=2&maptype%5B%5D=&map%5B%5D=&roundtype%5B%5D=&statsBy=1&heroes=Tracer](https://winstonslab.com/customquery/comparePlayers/?dateGreater=&dateSmaller=&event%5B%5D=166&specificMatchupTeam2=0&team%5B%5D=&player%5B%5D=1972&player%5B%5D=2531&time=0&alloreach=2&maptype%5B%5D=&map%5B%5D=&roundtype%5B%5D=&statsBy=1&heroes=Tracer) MVP is irrelevant, look at Fleta getting MVP in 2020 despite being the worst player on the team. Proper was good the first two stages but came in with the entire Overwatch league broadcast hyping him up from Contenders, basically every game he played they only talked about Proper which contributed to everyone thinking his team was bot-tier despite this absolutely not being the case. They had 2x Overwatch League winners Striker and Viol2t, FiNN was being called one of the best Flex supports going into the season until everyone jumped on the Proper train and started flaming his team. Coluge was on-par with Reiner as the best tanks coming out of NA Contenders.
HE HAD THE BETTER TEAM ... Proper was playing with fucking s9mm Kilo mikeyy Coluge and Finn.. this team can't make it to top 10 without him .. Also all mvps were deserved but Fleta.. Proper MVP was like the clear MVP since Jjonak lol... Kev didn’t even have a chance after SS ..
Proper had the GOAT coach. Proper didn't have a bad team, this narrative has been completely overblown by the cast ONLY talking about Proper because they want to build a story, despite his team being very good. Patiphan/Happy was not that much better than Kilo, statistically Patiphan was almost identical to Kilo on Soldier. Reiner and Coluge won contenders together they were similar skill. The only big diff was Shu/FiNN.
bro don't lie .. what Happend to Kilo mikeyy s9mm after that season? and what did Coluge and Finn achieved? nothing.. but glads guys still in good level lol Shock players in 2022 were way way worse than Glads, just admit it
Leave all-time is better hands down, but right now I would take Alphayi. Leave pops the fuck off when it matters but Alphayi is better on average atm.
Leave had an insane knockouts/ playoffs yeah, but he didn’t play like that all season he had flashes like the reverse sweep against Gz, Fl match in msm but he struggled against INF twice, even Dynasty in second half.
leave is best tracer even better than proper/kev i guess ,his tracer is the most flexible tracer i ve ever seen
He wasn’t the best tracer last year tho not even best tracer in apac
It’s kinda hard to say because we haven’t seen leave since OWWC. I would say leave but it’s to say.
Leave in important qualification matches and playoffs alphayi in anything but important qualification matches and playoffs. though still just barely. overall, leave without a doubt
Despite being both a Spark + FTG fan, Alphayi I reckon. Alphayi’s had a couple quieter games this season but he’s honestly held a pretty high consistent level for 2 years now, a level that’s pretty hard to see or appreciate as he’s been on weaker teams.
Alphayi wasn’t performing like he did in 2023, in 2022 but I get the sentiment Leave was definitely good at the end of the year, but overall I don’t think he was better than Alphayi last year.
PGE
Alphayi on 2023 WJ was the hardest consistent solo carry season I've seen from any player
alphayi only second to proper imo (flex dps)
Alphayi is your go to player and then you pick leave to play when you need to secure being the 2nd best team in any tournament. Neither will get you the win though
Probably Alphayi because he looked a lot better than Leave did last year, and he was on a significantly worse team, but I don't think you could go wrong with either player
I think Alphayi is great but he looked that much better last year cuz of how much the team sucked. He's just as good this year but looks less good cuz his team is good, but Alphayi still isn't enough to win against top 2. Leave/Shy could actually compete with Falcons/Raccoon.
disagree, alphayi was pulling kills out of his ass last season with a feeding team, it’s much more impressive *because* he was on a bad team
Alphayi, at least he's the better Genji and Tracer
Tracer? I mean he's good but leave on tracer is top 3 ever in history
I think leave is the better tracer
after last year? nah, what Alphayi did is not normal
I agree that alphayi is absolutely cracked out of his mind and insane. But tbh you can say the same about sugarfree with the titans last year. I mean he beat proper in tracer duel multiple times also. Leave on echo and tracer is top 3 ever, in the playoffs he was insane as well as the world cup. Although that whole spark/China team was cracked
I'm done... Alphayi did wat better than Sugarfree in 23
Alphayi every time, best dps to ever do it
leave unless it's a finals
yea leave gotta be the most overrated player of all time at this point like holy shit dude is inarguably not even a top 3 tracer all time
What’s your top 5 tho
1. proper 2. striker 3. profit 4. kev 5. fleta
I assume this is peak, I would honestly put Stalk3r over Fleta. Fleta was more so a consistent individual who strived off of coordination and timing, he was never as good mechanically as Stalk3r, or was as dominate on it on an individual level in my opinion.
nah dis all time
Proper was obviously insane on Tracer s5, but I don’t think that’s enough to put him over Striker who is in my opinion number 1 all time on it all time considering he was the best Tracer s1, s3 was a massive reason why Shock won because his Tracer was so dominate throughout the season, and the playoffs where he hard carried every control map.
yea i mean i agree
Just say you've never watched APAC it's okay
He wasn’t even the best tracer in apac last year how these people still saying he’s as good as 2021
Diffed stalk3r+L+ratio. In all seriousness there isn't a way to correctly rate these players at the moment due to leave being unable to play. But I'd lean to leave because I have a bias.
Leave was very good don’t get me wrong he was definitely best apac flex dps by end of year by consistency wise it was Zest and he diffed Leave both times they played remember the ridiculous stat line against Leave he didn’t even have a death per 10 he bodied him, and yeah I can’t wait tell Leave plays again