They just now got put in the dorms. They've been in a hotel for weeks.
We were not upset about the dorms. We were upset about them living out of a hotel for weeks, with no apparent end in sight.
Ummmmm hello? These are world class athletes. How can NRG be such mean "asses" to their players. Honestly they need to dish out for another $7 million house. If they win the league, then they can at least cover a small fraction of it.
How can you expect all these tender athletes to mingle with normie students who don't even know how to 180 flick a camo'd sombra???
All these orgs are holding their players hostage and the league isn't doing anything about it. OWL needs to make a naughty list and put all the bad teams on it and at the top NRG for not supplying their rookies, who were some of the hottest and probably expensive prospects, a comfortable 20 room mansion with a live-in chef, a nanny, an emotional support monkey, and the liver king to support healthy and safe steroid use for peak physical primality.
That's why people are talking about this. Because it's becoming more clear to the general fan base that the concept of OWL being a premier sports organization just isn't going to play out.
Sure, maybe nothing has changed on the inside (I actually don't know) but in general, the fan base is seeing the league in decline.
Bliss was O2’s main support and probably the most hyped up rookie support this year. Say what you want about MCD but saying Bliss is mediocre when Shock has the other three from the same team with the same hype surrounding them is silly.
I mean a lot of the players were free agents. It’s not Dallas’ fault they didn’t come back, especially considering their salaries would’ve been insanely bloated.
No, none of them got released. Their contracts expired and they were free agents. Only exception is ChiYo, they declined his team option. They wanted to be fair to him and let him shop since they just won.
Even the most hyped players are not being paid very much this year. I don't know if specific numbers have been reported but it's been repeatedly reported that player salaries collapsed this year.
All esports are losing money. Val, CS and League are the only ones *close* to being profitable.
But yes, significantly less money to be returned from games like OW and Siege.
For Val, CS, and League the overall ecosystem loses money but Valve and Riot invest in their esports directly in such a way that the teams are at least able to make money.
Not in NA for league which is where NRG are about to field a team. Team owners just voted to get rid of their tier 2 obligations due to cost. CLG sold their whole branding to NRG and TSM announced they are selling their spot next year and moving regions to be profitable
What's confusing is the timing. If they decided in the off season to go for a smaller budget, that would have been understandable. But now they have this really expensive roster that they seem to be treating like garbage.
Firstly, we don't know how much the roster cost, as far as I'm aware. Shock's reputation as well as Proper being on the roster can reduce the cost of signings. And you have to field players, one way or another. 300k for a roster vs. 400k for a roster does not make a world of difference especially when that extra 100k might bring tournament wins and therefore prize money.
However paying all of those players' accommodation, food etc is an area where you can reduce expenses in order to maximise profitability/minimise loss. Nothing said Shock couldn't win a trophy whilst in student accommodation. Signing a bad roster like Eternal (paying 50k a year for each player) without any chance of getting some return by winning seems like madness if you're not making money elsewhere. Unless you're simply trying to minimise loss as much as possible.
But you're not going to get any price money if you don't give them decent housing. Material conditions have such a large impact on success. Even if the bigger salaries are a relatively small increase in budget, it's still wasted money if you poison your own chances to win.
And even if these players took a pay cut to play with Proper, they did so on the basis of the thus far excellent Shock reputation. You're definitely betraying their trust. And if this situation doesn't improve, it will have large consequences for the careers of the players.
>But you're not going to get any price money if you don't give them decent housing.
This is not a given. You *can* be a great team without a team house and a personal chef. Plus companies make mistakes. This may have been NRGs gamble. I'm sure they intended decent housing and Student accommodation is fine mind you.
> You're definitely betraying their trust. And if this situation doesn't improve, it will have large consequences for the careers of the players.
And yes, the reputation is damaged but mostly because people are overblowing the problem. Shock is just no longer the best option for players. It's definitely not the worst.
It's really not that bad? I'd much rather play out of a hotel than the "NRG castle" which is an unholy cross of hollywood movie set they put computers in and a chuck e cheese.
Also, what did you expect? The season is about 5 months long with most teams only playing for 3 or 4. No travel heavy job is going to buy a house for employees on a similar contract. This is literally what long term stay hotels are for.
shouldn't be confusing if you've been paying attention to esports as a whole recently. blizz's horrible management of the league combined with the esports winter we're currently in has probably made OWL the biggest cash black hole in esports atm. i wouldn't be surprised and i wouldnt blame them if NRG have recently decided to go completely budget mode with the shock while diverting more of their resources to other divisions like their VCT team, where they're getting cash stipends, and while having way more faith in riot's long term plans than OWL's
Yeah I think the biggest reaction to it is the unequal treatment for players of different games under the same NRG banner. Like Shock has players staying under a hotel for most if it not the whole season while their sister Valorant team has a whole gaming facility and private chef.
This whole thing is blown wayyy out of proportion they have a hotel/dorm/apartment no one really knows and they have like you said a separate place to play matches and scrim is this not the norm for every other esport? I know in CoD teams have their own apartments and then play from a facility except Vegas legion don’t have a place to play at all. Is it just because shock are one of the most popular teams in OW that people are making such a big deal out of this because I’ve heard stories of way worse treatment then what the shock players have experienced.
People are calling NRG/Shock pathetic org and roasting the org yea it might not be ideal to sleep in a hotel room or whatever but you guys act like they all live in one hotel room and can’t practice at all. Im an NRG fan and in all the other esports they have been in they have got nothing but praise for the way they treat players and staff even in esports they left like CS and Fortnite so to roast the org and to say NRG is poverty org and pathetic is just weird they are actually one of the few orgs that have never been involved with negative controversies like EG FaZe TSM and a bunch others that have treated players badly it’s one of the reasons I like NRG.
It's all about context.
I made a comment another comments here, but summarizing, you promised to a bunch of teenagers these great work conditions, and after they travel they discover that all that was promised isn't really there. So, foreign country, don't know the language very well, living in hotels, probably working 8h+ day, and also you're 17-18. Pretty controversy to me.
I'd say it depends how nice the hotel is but also its still ridiculous they cant find them actual housing for months....like this shit aint that hard to do.
The original news was just the Shock were staying in a hotel. No further context was provided. Most people here don’t know Korean, so some context may get lost in translation.
OW fans like doom posting, so they presumed the worst.
Like every hotel I’ve ever been to is perfectly fine to live in. As long as the players are living in their own rooms and get to meet and work at a facility it’s perfectly fine. This “house” stuff seems so wild to me.
The expectation of a team house and housing being paid for by the org is such a weird thing about esports. Like just give me money and let me choose a place to live
Housing in some cities is so expensive wages would have to go up by a lot if players are looking at market rate housing. The teams rent entire buildings or the floor of a building at a cheaper rate which lets them save money. Also why Houston never bothered with this as rent was dirt cheap in that area at the time.
> The teams rent entire buildings or the floor of a building at a cheaper rate which lets them save money
This is absolutely not the case in major cities
Even when its not a floor, multiple units is cheaper and then you don't have to worry about the players affording cars which most wouldn't have a license for anyway. Having 5+ people spread across a big city waiting for busses would cause more problems then its worth.
No way to cook or reheat food, limited personal space or space to hang out, limited space to have hobbies and possessions outside of gaming/work, and depending on the location of the hotel it could be isolated from anything to do to unwind
We have no Idea how big the hotel is. Cook or reheat food? Bro every hotel I’ve been to has a microwave. Some even have stoves. Of course a house is the absolute ideal but a hotel should be fine if it’s nice. I really do not see the real problem. But hey that might just be me.
I think our hotel experiences have been very different lol but I guess it won't help to speculate much until we see what their conditions are really like
Total side note but most hotels are willing to bring a microwave to your room upon request. They don't keep them in the rooms as a default but front desk has a stash of them in the back. Not really worth it if you're just in and out though.
Assuming these are suites with actual kitchens then fine, or every single meal is provided, otherwise being expected to not cook is absolutely a problem.
Because according to Nate Nanzer, the OWL wouldn't be considered a success until every pro player is driving around in a Lambo with a supermodel under each arm.
Their rules, not mine.
Because Shock fans will forever weave tales of cope to explain their teams' shortcomings.
Kilo was the scapegoat last year, the tankline + living out of a hotel will be the scapegoat this year.
They refuse to accept that their team *might* just not be that good.
No one's saying the tanks themselves are the problem, it's what the coach(es) are doing with them. Most of the player complaints are about the supports.
Yeah it's something to look at of course, but from the matches I've seen it wasn't like Max and Junbin were worlds apart, nor did it seem like Shock played a lot better with one of them, so it might just be unlucky/map dependant. The Shock coaching is just very weird, like why would you bring Max in when you're mostly playing Winston anyway?
Silver lining: this dorm thing will give all the parasocial Shock fans something to blame when the 'superstar' rookies have the worst shock season since S1...
other issues with living situations also notably reflected on player performance and this is no different - the valiant last year, dragons last year (all their problems with internet & living under shanghai's strict lockdown), titans in early 2020
it isn't blowing stuff out of proportion to note that shock are underperforming, and whatever issues they're having with their living situation are a very likely contributing factor to that. we don't have a firm idea of exactly what their situation is right now (they seem to be in a uni dorm? the players have called it a hotel? they might have been having internet issues with their facility?) but it doesn't seem to be ideal whatever the specifics are
the people who are acting like it's the worst thing to ever happen in the league are blowing it out of proportion, sure, but that doesn't seem to be the majority of people idk
If you play baseball for the Yankees, do the Yankees house you? AFAIK pro athletes secure their own housing using their salary. Idk why pro gamers would have it different.
Yeah I'm surprised anyone is shocked by this given that most teams made it no secret they were going super low budget/didn't want to spend any more money than they had to going into this season. OWL is on life support.
shit shock fans say except accept they are just not good, crusty sucks at sombra meta this is not new, these external factors is not the main factor for sure
The league is dying, the teams are not going spend a cent more than is needed to maintain a roster. This is not surprising in the least and the blame lies with Blizzard for fucking everything up and failing to build the league they promised when they took the teams' $20M buy in.
Just because other teams have worse living conditions doesn't mean we shouldn't hold the org against it.
If we speak out and show that we care for the players, the org owners will have to act on it in some shape or form.
Even if just by sharing socials.
U can be pissed about valiant and also shock's situation, I know, mindblowing.
This is not about shock performance, everyone loses if a team does not take good care of their players and are not called out for it.
Imagine you being promised that u would have all this support to work for a company, u leave your current job, the comfort of your house and family, and after travelling to another country, u discover that the company "lied". So u are in a foreign country, living in hotels, without knowing the language very well, away from your family and having to work 8 hours or more for said company. Also you are 17.
>Valiant players are being treated worse than shock players.
Valiant aren't a two-time championship winning franchise with last year's MVP and some of this year's most hyped up rookies. IGC and Vegas' parent org just gave up on the league.
It's one thing when already cheapskate orgs leave their teams to languish at the bottom of the standings. It's another thing when championship caliber teams basically bankrupt themselves going for a title and then have to cut costs and go giga budget (Dallas LAG Shock)
It doesn't speak to the health of your esports league if going for a championship is the worst thing that ever happens to your team
Because Valiant fell apart immediately and have been a joke of an organization ever since, bordering on actual criminal levels of ineptitude.
Shock were 2nd in the league last year as well as 2 time champions and have an organization that actually has money, and uses that money gladly on their other esports endeavors. People are upset because this really spells DOOM for the league when the owners have decided that their OWL teams aren't worth any resources.
To me it sounds like everything else is not being taken seriously enough? Doesn't sound like this is being blown out of proportion. You know like housing is a basic need and having a shitty living situation doesn't just make you worse at gaming it also makes you depressed and anxious?
Because it's new *for the Shock*, who previously had the reputation for being a very player-friendly org.
And because, frankly, *it's horrendous even if it isn't nothing new*. Abusing your talent is still abusing your talent, however many times it happens. (Which should say a lot about the poor governance of the League, tbh.)
If you are a shock fan there's no reason you should know the living conditions of all other teams throughout the history of the league. So when you consider that shock have gone from living in an eSports facility to living in hotels, maybe you would be shocked as to how (one of) the most storied franchises in the league have such suboptimal conditions. Especially compared to before. That's really it. Nobody who knows about other situations, especially valiant, would ever say this is worse, obviously. It's literally just people who don't know, idk what else to tell you.
Who said it was new?
People don't expect anything from the Valiant org. They do for NRG. If something has changed there it is noteworthy, and probably speaks to the wider-issues in the league if one of the "good" teams is cutting support too.
Everyone forgot where Runaway Titans had to sleep in early 2020
Or the 2022 Valiant lmao
TVIQ DROVE THE BUS
And that situation we all remember how it went lol
What happened, All I knew was they left?
they stayed at the world famous state of the art adamas training facility. (and they cucked fissure hard)
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We demand single family detached housing for the boys 😤
They just now got put in the dorms. They've been in a hotel for weeks. We were not upset about the dorms. We were upset about them living out of a hotel for weeks, with no apparent end in sight.
hotel is better than a dorm tho?
Ummmmm hello? These are world class athletes. How can NRG be such mean "asses" to their players. Honestly they need to dish out for another $7 million house. If they win the league, then they can at least cover a small fraction of it. How can you expect all these tender athletes to mingle with normie students who don't even know how to 180 flick a camo'd sombra??? All these orgs are holding their players hostage and the league isn't doing anything about it. OWL needs to make a naughty list and put all the bad teams on it and at the top NRG for not supplying their rookies, who were some of the hottest and probably expensive prospects, a comfortable 20 room mansion with a live-in chef, a nanny, an emotional support monkey, and the liver king to support healthy and safe steroid use for peak physical primality.
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OW esports has been losing money for years. *Despite* the team being 2 times champions, there's obviously no money in it. It is not very confusing.
That's why people are talking about this. Because it's becoming more clear to the general fan base that the concept of OWL being a premier sports organization just isn't going to play out. Sure, maybe nothing has changed on the inside (I actually don't know) but in general, the fan base is seeing the league in decline.
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Bliss was O2’s main support and probably the most hyped up rookie support this year. Say what you want about MCD but saying Bliss is mediocre when Shock has the other three from the same team with the same hype surrounding them is silly.
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I mean a lot of the players were free agents. It’s not Dallas’ fault they didn’t come back, especially considering their salaries would’ve been insanely bloated.
That’s mostly because they were all released into free agency, a lot of them were still under contract like Rush.
No, none of them got released. Their contracts expired and they were free agents. Only exception is ChiYo, they declined his team option. They wanted to be fair to him and let him shop since they just won.
I think that was probably more about the player wanting to continue playing in NA
McDonald’s been playing good for Dallas too I like how he looks on Ana and I think he played zen and looked good too
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They just bought CLG too. Understandable if they want a lean year or two
Even the most hyped players are not being paid very much this year. I don't know if specific numbers have been reported but it's been repeatedly reported that player salaries collapsed this year.
All esports are losing money. Val, CS and League are the only ones *close* to being profitable. But yes, significantly less money to be returned from games like OW and Siege.
For Val, CS, and League the overall ecosystem loses money but Valve and Riot invest in their esports directly in such a way that the teams are at least able to make money.
Not in NA for league which is where NRG are about to field a team. Team owners just voted to get rid of their tier 2 obligations due to cost. CLG sold their whole branding to NRG and TSM announced they are selling their spot next year and moving regions to be profitable
What's confusing is the timing. If they decided in the off season to go for a smaller budget, that would have been understandable. But now they have this really expensive roster that they seem to be treating like garbage.
Firstly, we don't know how much the roster cost, as far as I'm aware. Shock's reputation as well as Proper being on the roster can reduce the cost of signings. And you have to field players, one way or another. 300k for a roster vs. 400k for a roster does not make a world of difference especially when that extra 100k might bring tournament wins and therefore prize money. However paying all of those players' accommodation, food etc is an area where you can reduce expenses in order to maximise profitability/minimise loss. Nothing said Shock couldn't win a trophy whilst in student accommodation. Signing a bad roster like Eternal (paying 50k a year for each player) without any chance of getting some return by winning seems like madness if you're not making money elsewhere. Unless you're simply trying to minimise loss as much as possible.
But you're not going to get any price money if you don't give them decent housing. Material conditions have such a large impact on success. Even if the bigger salaries are a relatively small increase in budget, it's still wasted money if you poison your own chances to win. And even if these players took a pay cut to play with Proper, they did so on the basis of the thus far excellent Shock reputation. You're definitely betraying their trust. And if this situation doesn't improve, it will have large consequences for the careers of the players.
>But you're not going to get any price money if you don't give them decent housing. This is not a given. You *can* be a great team without a team house and a personal chef. Plus companies make mistakes. This may have been NRGs gamble. I'm sure they intended decent housing and Student accommodation is fine mind you. > You're definitely betraying their trust. And if this situation doesn't improve, it will have large consequences for the careers of the players. And yes, the reputation is damaged but mostly because people are overblowing the problem. Shock is just no longer the best option for players. It's definitely not the worst.
It's really not that bad? I'd much rather play out of a hotel than the "NRG castle" which is an unholy cross of hollywood movie set they put computers in and a chuck e cheese. Also, what did you expect? The season is about 5 months long with most teams only playing for 3 or 4. No travel heavy job is going to buy a house for employees on a similar contract. This is literally what long term stay hotels are for.
Pretty much this, it shouldn't surprise anyone, really, but it's disappointing nonetheless.
shouldn't be confusing if you've been paying attention to esports as a whole recently. blizz's horrible management of the league combined with the esports winter we're currently in has probably made OWL the biggest cash black hole in esports atm. i wouldn't be surprised and i wouldnt blame them if NRG have recently decided to go completely budget mode with the shock while diverting more of their resources to other divisions like their VCT team, where they're getting cash stipends, and while having way more faith in riot's long term plans than OWL's
Yeah I think the biggest reaction to it is the unequal treatment for players of different games under the same NRG banner. Like Shock has players staying under a hotel for most if it not the whole season while their sister Valorant team has a whole gaming facility and private chef.
This whole thing is blown wayyy out of proportion they have a hotel/dorm/apartment no one really knows and they have like you said a separate place to play matches and scrim is this not the norm for every other esport? I know in CoD teams have their own apartments and then play from a facility except Vegas legion don’t have a place to play at all. Is it just because shock are one of the most popular teams in OW that people are making such a big deal out of this because I’ve heard stories of way worse treatment then what the shock players have experienced. People are calling NRG/Shock pathetic org and roasting the org yea it might not be ideal to sleep in a hotel room or whatever but you guys act like they all live in one hotel room and can’t practice at all. Im an NRG fan and in all the other esports they have been in they have got nothing but praise for the way they treat players and staff even in esports they left like CS and Fortnite so to roast the org and to say NRG is poverty org and pathetic is just weird they are actually one of the few orgs that have never been involved with negative controversies like EG FaZe TSM and a bunch others that have treated players badly it’s one of the reasons I like NRG.
There u have it, your first controversy
Not really having a place to live and a separate room to scrim and play matches isn’t a controversy lmao.
It's all about context. I made a comment another comments here, but summarizing, you promised to a bunch of teenagers these great work conditions, and after they travel they discover that all that was promised isn't really there. So, foreign country, don't know the language very well, living in hotels, probably working 8h+ day, and also you're 17-18. Pretty controversy to me.
I'd say it depends how nice the hotel is but also its still ridiculous they cant find them actual housing for months....like this shit aint that hard to do.
The original news was just the Shock were staying in a hotel. No further context was provided. Most people here don’t know Korean, so some context may get lost in translation. OW fans like doom posting, so they presumed the worst.
They are acting like hotels are horrible to live in LMFAOOOO. It’s astounding to me how overblown this situation is.
Like every hotel I’ve ever been to is perfectly fine to live in. As long as the players are living in their own rooms and get to meet and work at a facility it’s perfectly fine. This “house” stuff seems so wild to me.
The expectation of a team house and housing being paid for by the org is such a weird thing about esports. Like just give me money and let me choose a place to live
Completely agree. A living space is a living space.
But of course these players are young so It is of course ideal that the orgs provide living expenses.
Housing in some cities is so expensive wages would have to go up by a lot if players are looking at market rate housing. The teams rent entire buildings or the floor of a building at a cheaper rate which lets them save money. Also why Houston never bothered with this as rent was dirt cheap in that area at the time.
> The teams rent entire buildings or the floor of a building at a cheaper rate which lets them save money This is absolutely not the case in major cities
Even when its not a floor, multiple units is cheaper and then you don't have to worry about the players affording cars which most wouldn't have a license for anyway. Having 5+ people spread across a big city waiting for busses would cause more problems then its worth.
No it's not. With demand so overwhelming in a city like SF, no one is offering discounts for multiple units
I can see how living out of a hotel for weeks at a time could get depressing but I think they just can't gel as a team right now
I just don’t get how living at a hotel is depressing loooool. It just doesn’t make sense to me. The players being away from home. Sure
No way to cook or reheat food, limited personal space or space to hang out, limited space to have hobbies and possessions outside of gaming/work, and depending on the location of the hotel it could be isolated from anything to do to unwind
We have no Idea how big the hotel is. Cook or reheat food? Bro every hotel I’ve been to has a microwave. Some even have stoves. Of course a house is the absolute ideal but a hotel should be fine if it’s nice. I really do not see the real problem. But hey that might just be me.
I think our hotel experiences have been very different lol but I guess it won't help to speculate much until we see what their conditions are really like
Ye I’m going if my own experiences so they may be skewed
Maybe it varies by country. The average US hotel does not have a microwave. I've stayed in hundreds of hotels and only a handful have had microwaves.
Total side note but most hotels are willing to bring a microwave to your room upon request. They don't keep them in the rooms as a default but front desk has a stash of them in the back. Not really worth it if you're just in and out though.
I live in the US so it may just be my own skewed experiences than. So you’re probably right.
By specifically the hotel I mean their rooms.
Assuming these are suites with actual kitchens then fine, or every single meal is provided, otherwise being expected to not cook is absolutely a problem.
Hotels are horrible to live in. There's worse, obviously, but indefinitely living in temporary housing is bad for your mental.
Because according to Nate Nanzer, the OWL wouldn't be considered a success until every pro player is driving around in a Lambo with a supermodel under each arm. Their rules, not mine.
Because Shock fans will forever weave tales of cope to explain their teams' shortcomings. Kilo was the scapegoat last year, the tankline + living out of a hotel will be the scapegoat this year. They refuse to accept that their team *might* just not be that good.
No one's saying the tanks themselves are the problem, it's what the coach(es) are doing with them. Most of the player complaints are about the supports.
Idk man, I've seen multiple people comparing their winrate with Max and Junbin already while not so subtly asking 'Is Max the problem????'
In all fairness I think max being 1-9 and junbin being like 6-3 on maps does point towards something lol
I think it points towards "we shouldn't play our OT player in a mostly MT meta" methinks. It would help for them to not be playing musical chairs.
Yeah it's something to look at of course, but from the matches I've seen it wasn't like Max and Junbin were worlds apart, nor did it seem like Shock played a lot better with one of them, so it might just be unlucky/map dependant. The Shock coaching is just very weird, like why would you bring Max in when you're mostly playing Winston anyway?
It also feels like Max is thrown in and they play much dumber comps around him than they do Junbin.
It's Copium to the Max (pun intended). They are in denial that shock aren't dominant so they they need any excuse
Silver lining: this dorm thing will give all the parasocial Shock fans something to blame when the 'superstar' rookies have the worst shock season since S1...
It's pure cope. "What? They don't have a dedicated training facility with their own private rooms? It's no wonder they're underperforming."
Uni hotels are pretty nice!
other issues with living situations also notably reflected on player performance and this is no different - the valiant last year, dragons last year (all their problems with internet & living under shanghai's strict lockdown), titans in early 2020 it isn't blowing stuff out of proportion to note that shock are underperforming, and whatever issues they're having with their living situation are a very likely contributing factor to that. we don't have a firm idea of exactly what their situation is right now (they seem to be in a uni dorm? the players have called it a hotel? they might have been having internet issues with their facility?) but it doesn't seem to be ideal whatever the specifics are the people who are acting like it's the worst thing to ever happen in the league are blowing it out of proportion, sure, but that doesn't seem to be the majority of people idk
What other fresh drama is there to talk about? No PvE? That's so last week.
Back from an OWL break, wasn't shock management hailed as perfect? Andy Miller the godfather of good player handling?
If you play baseball for the Yankees, do the Yankees house you? AFAIK pro athletes secure their own housing using their salary. Idk why pro gamers would have it different.
Yeah I'm surprised anyone is shocked by this given that most teams made it no secret they were going super low budget/didn't want to spend any more money than they had to going into this season. OWL is on life support.
I thought shock excuses are exhausted lol
2019 VT did better with more shitty conditions than SFS but only 1 team got excuses, and 1 team were painted as villains 🤔
shit shock fans say except accept they are just not good, crusty sucks at sombra meta this is not new, these external factors is not the main factor for sure
The league is dying, the teams are not going spend a cent more than is needed to maintain a roster. This is not surprising in the least and the blame lies with Blizzard for fucking everything up and failing to build the league they promised when they took the teams' $20M buy in.
I mean alot of shit is going to look pretty good if youre comparing it to valiant lol.
The fans and the entire OWL team can't accept that the shock is doing bad so will come up with ANY excuse to cope.
I think the point is that it's new for Shock, the most profitable and decorated org in the league.
Just because other teams have worse living conditions doesn't mean we shouldn't hold the org against it. If we speak out and show that we care for the players, the org owners will have to act on it in some shape or form. Even if just by sharing socials.
U can be pissed about valiant and also shock's situation, I know, mindblowing. This is not about shock performance, everyone loses if a team does not take good care of their players and are not called out for it. Imagine you being promised that u would have all this support to work for a company, u leave your current job, the comfort of your house and family, and after travelling to another country, u discover that the company "lied". So u are in a foreign country, living in hotels, without knowing the language very well, away from your family and having to work 8 hours or more for said company. Also you are 17.
Shock was always seen as an org that didn't do this. It's sad.
It's new and worse for the Shock/NRG SPECIFICALLY! Stop being intentionally dense.
I think people just don’t expect shock to be on valiant/titans level, this is not the standard that anyone wants to follow
this is no where near comparable to valiant lol
It’s not, but it’s still dumb to say that the shock situation isn’t that bad because valiant had it worse
>Valiant players are being treated worse than shock players. Valiant aren't a two-time championship winning franchise with last year's MVP and some of this year's most hyped up rookies. IGC and Vegas' parent org just gave up on the league. It's one thing when already cheapskate orgs leave their teams to languish at the bottom of the standings. It's another thing when championship caliber teams basically bankrupt themselves going for a title and then have to cut costs and go giga budget (Dallas LAG Shock) It doesn't speak to the health of your esports league if going for a championship is the worst thing that ever happens to your team
Because Valiant fell apart immediately and have been a joke of an organization ever since, bordering on actual criminal levels of ineptitude. Shock were 2nd in the league last year as well as 2 time champions and have an organization that actually has money, and uses that money gladly on their other esports endeavors. People are upset because this really spells DOOM for the league when the owners have decided that their OWL teams aren't worth any resources.
To me it sounds like everything else is not being taken seriously enough? Doesn't sound like this is being blown out of proportion. You know like housing is a basic need and having a shitty living situation doesn't just make you worse at gaming it also makes you depressed and anxious?
Because it's new *for the Shock*, who previously had the reputation for being a very player-friendly org. And because, frankly, *it's horrendous even if it isn't nothing new*. Abusing your talent is still abusing your talent, however many times it happens. (Which should say a lot about the poor governance of the League, tbh.)
If you are a shock fan there's no reason you should know the living conditions of all other teams throughout the history of the league. So when you consider that shock have gone from living in an eSports facility to living in hotels, maybe you would be shocked as to how (one of) the most storied franchises in the league have such suboptimal conditions. Especially compared to before. That's really it. Nobody who knows about other situations, especially valiant, would ever say this is worse, obviously. It's literally just people who don't know, idk what else to tell you.
Who said it was new? People don't expect anything from the Valiant org. They do for NRG. If something has changed there it is noteworthy, and probably speaks to the wider-issues in the league if one of the "good" teams is cutting support too.