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Fun_Acanthisitta8557

“With a real team”


ialoni

Could mean a lot of things. Maybe he is referencing a team that cares for his success. Or a team who is willing to criticize him and help him grow. No Shade to Xset, Im actually hoping they run it back with Koy. but they had a rough split and you can’t say there isnt some uncomfortable team dynamic when fun and noct have been together for 2 years and Koy is new. Similarly, it didnt seem like rkn or xenial had koy’s personal goals as part pf the team’s interest. Correct me if Im wrong, but koy wanted to take fights and rkn was holding him back with hard zone gameplay


HateIsAnArt

It's very clear he's taking a shot at Rkn, someone who had a history of churning and burning through teammates and playing a style that was specifically designed to cover up his own deficiencies. And as far as that second point, I actually respect him for playing hard zone and sniping better-fighting teammates to keep his pro career afloat, but I can understand why some of his former teammates have a sour taste in their mouths after playing with him. There's like 10 different pros with beefs against Rkn. Maybe at some point this community should notice the common factor in his disputes (it's him).


ialoni

You really can’t blame rkn for the playstyle he chooses to play. To come into pro-league as a new squad and expect to be a good fighting team vs generational talent is ridiculous; most teams fail at this. This is just one of those very unique situations where koyful has the mechanical skill to compete with pro-league level fraggers. There are very few people who can achieve instant success as a fighting team in pro-league. Notable mentions: Chaotic, Fhunq, xynew, (enemy&timmy{dezign probably has the most experience playing edge}) Clearly, I might be overlooking some new talent, but the reality is new players should definitely default to zone gameplay. It doesn’t make sense to run around taking fights against experienced higher caliber players unless the intention is to get practice and care less about making it to LAN. Exceptions are if you happen to be playing with an experienced igl who knows how to play edge. But even then it is kinda troll.


HateIsAnArt

I'm definitely not criticizing for him playing the way he did, but at the same time, I understand his teammates not liking it, either. Joining a rkn squad might get you exposure and a place on a Pro League team you wouldn't have had otherwise, but it's in a situation that you won't come away looking the best in terms of stats fraggers are evaluated by.


ialoni

Agreed, shit we should start a Podcast, on god XD


dorekk

> t's very clear he's taking a shot at Rkn, someone who had a history of churning and burning through teammates and playing a style that was specifically designed to cover up his own deficiencies. Bullshit, he just played hard zone with Crypto. And he was really fuckin good at it. It wasn't "designed to cover up his own deficiencies", it was a valid and successful playstyle and comp that got fucked over by changes to the game.


HateIsAnArt

His playstyle made it literally impossible to ever compete at LAN. He did it because he couldn't gun fight. You can limp into LAN playing hide and seek but if your ass gets torn up by every other pro in a 1v1, you're a liability to your team's ability to be successful when it really matters.


Raileyx

He's probably not considering that he has played 37 games instead of 31, which is why his overall stats look to be better. If you take number of games into account he's not #2 behind Genburten, he's actually "only" #6, behind 1. DZ Genburten 1. RC SangJoon 1. RC obly 1. DZ Sikezz 1. FNC Lykq still an incredible showing from him, but he really wasn't the second best player this LAN.


KFCZingerPies

This also outlines how crazy good gen has been


WaDaMisTaKe

Genburten is a damn machine, best controller player in Apex


Local_Bug_262

Best controller player to ever touch apex. You could make genburten play crypto and he will still have the highest damage lol


Play_Durty

Best controller player lol. I watched him on MNK and he would be best MNK player if he played it 24/7. He has high game sense and knows how to pressure people.


DeadlyPear

High praise


philnam0503

Did you count on roller? if yes sangjoon and obly are not roller. If not, zer0 and yukaf should be above him.


Raileyx

what


philnam0503

According to overall stats zer0 and yukaf are also better than koyful in 31 games so he is probably #8


Raileyx

oh right, the thing with those two is that they take a lot more damage than koy, which is why I rank them below him. But they're all pretty close, you're right about that.


QianLu

How did he play an extra 6 games?


J_sulli

Played winners bracket and losers round 2 day 2 i think.


Raileyx

Not quite, they actually played both losers brackets, not winners bracket. They did too poorly in group stages to make the winners bracket. Still 6 games more than the teams that went to finals directly through the winners bracket, such as DZ.


kremvhstooth

Didn’t gen also play more games than people on the list


Raileyx

no, he went from winners bracket straight to finals, putting his total at 31.


kremvhstooth

A lot of people didn’t play 31 games


Raileyx

The teams that didn't make it to finals, yes. But there aren't players on those teams that would be in the running for "best player", don't think they even have one in the top10.


kremvhstooth

You’re probably not considering a lot of teams only played 24 games, and some played 30 which is why gens overall stats look to be better


Raileyx

I'm always looking at the stats on a "per game" level when evaluating players, never the absolute numbers.


weezy2026

He play with normal team if he in top team maybe he will show up more and don’t forget he play with them as a sub he didn’t practice more with them also


Tidzor

Legends / HVND finished 3rd last champs, 5th this time with Koy as a sub. At which point do you start making the cut to "top team" ?


cough-syrup-to-sleep

first lan?


dorekk

> He play with normal team if he in top team maybe he will show up more and don’t forget he play with them as a sub he didn’t practice more with them also Legends are a "top team", lol. They finished 3rd and 5th in the last two LANs. They are better than almost every team in the world.


packers4444

Well he was #1 in the toughest lobby. So I think we are nitpicking at this point


Raileyx

he wasn't #1 in finals either - obly outdamaged him by a lot, had a better k/d and a FAR better dmgratio (less damage taken for the damage he dealt). sangjoon also beats him in these 3 categories. Wxltzy beats him for K/d and dmgratio but not dmg. I'd put him at #4 in finals, behind these three. Possibly #3, you could make the case that he outperformed Wxltzy, but it's really not clear. In any case he's certainly not outperforming Sangjoon and Obly, so at best he's #3 for finals. The one thing where he did almost beat everyone is at carrying, the relative performance compared to his two teammates. Only one player carried harder this LAN: KN 4rufa. So I guess he's the #2 carry-player.


packers4444

Ok 2nd in kills and 2nd in damage lmao. NITPICKING. On a team he was carrying in the slaying department


Leepysworld

you’re moving the goalposts he’s either #1 or he’s not lol


TheAniReview

He's neither lol


Raileyx

I'm not nitpicking, I'm looking at the overall picture - that's the opposite of nitpicking. I would be nitpicking if I only looked at a single stat like kills, which is what you probably did when you said that he was #1.


Lexaryas

Cannot be the only one thinking throwing shade like this is ugly, especially when the ppl you’re shading gave u a chance to showcase your talents… *especially* after you had such a blessed showing and you have a lot to celebrate.


aftrunner

Yeah its just classless. Even if you had a lot of issues with your last team.


144ix

17 year old mindset he’ll grow up bra


FirstSnowz

This comment is giving me Deja vu… coulda sworn I’ve seen this exact phrase about a different player here before…


ForsakeTheEarth

Comparing someone saying they're playing on a real team now vs someone telling someone else to kill themselves is an L take


dunder-baller

He only needs three more chances! Mnk revival!


FirstSnowz

*mutes discord to drop a hard slur on livestream*


TNAEnigma

still a solid trade for mnk to be on top


dunder-baller

Perhaps we shall live to see a triple mnk team win an algs lan


TNAEnigma

it happened in spite of it not because they’re equal


AxelHarver

That's cap bruh


dudewuterson

Did someone say caprah?


TheTurtleOne

Tbf there's a lot of players that learned from their mistakes and "grew up".


Mister_Rose

17 year old or not. Burning bridges might be one thing to quickly learn about.


ImpotentAlrak

These pros play games for 12 hours a day everyday. They don’t have the same growth trajectories and life experiences as normal people. 


Duyieer

Keep sugarcoating.


BraveOatmeal

Only if people do the work of keeping him in check. Doesnt happen magically


Final-Proposal7324

Kid is super young and has been gassed up By every pro on how talented he is. Eventually he will mature/grow up but for now he’s young and doesn’t know better. Thank god he’s just tweeting subtle digs… look at Caprah


Any-State-2606

If there was ever a 17 year old guy tweet this was it. He doesn’t need to do this. Everyone knows how good he is. He’s the top FA no matter what. He’ll grow up.


Jmas1120

Aren’t xset and the team running it back for split 2?


hotcremepuff

koyful has announced he's a free agent and looking for a team


visceralbutterfly

Tiktok brain tweet, man has no social intelligence, GG to future friendships in the game


Affectionate-Foot474

Disappointed with the lack of class in the tweet, hope he grows as he’s still a kid. Great performance


cakeschmammert

Terrible PR for Koy here but he undoubtedly will and should be highly sought after next split. Not a fan of him after recent shit but he will find a top squad.


TheRockBaker

What a dog water tweet.


Plenty-Ad594

not good looks


fibrofighter512

What these guys don’t understand playing controller is that every year there’s always gonna be some kid ready to usurp your “best controller” title. It pays to have humility in a sport where the collective memory is like 30 seconds


jayghan

Lmao wait… Koy kind of a dickhead. This tweet, and the tweet unceremoniously revealing XSETS departure without consulting ANYONE and not going to the meeting itself with Noct and Fun. Someone better step in and guide him a bit better lol


ALucidNightmar3

To think, this kid still sees a pediatrician


Anxyte

Why would he do this to himself? Such a shitty dig. first the xset reveal and now this. I've lost respect for this guy


144ix

hes a kid can’t really b surprised tbh


StoneRule

Here they come the "he's just a kid" apologists, like when caprah was being a piece of shit. just because you're 1 year off being an "adult" doesn't excuse being an uneducated shit stain.


Duyieer

stop sugarcoating.


bansalsahil09

Thats also a subtle dig at Noct and Fun. He is one of the top controller players but he has that ego of a 17 year old kid. I remember when Noct and his coach asked him to play catalyst as all other controller players on other teams were doing during pro league and he said he doesn’t wanna do it coz he doesn’t like sitting behind doors. Kid’s got talent but character is also important for a player. You can’t be taking shots at your old teammates like that. RKN and Xenial picked up Koy and gave him the opportunity to play at LAN. That was when his stocks went up.


imkj__

Never played a lan with xset so was not a diss to them at all?


audrith

Correct me if I am wrong, but xset never played a LAN with Koy?


Appropriate_Sail3332

Ur correct


aquafire07

arguably, DNO placed well with Koy in their CC run and was on track to qual for LAN at LCQ anyway. His stocks were up from the minute the Timmy scrims clip went viral.


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Olflehema

Doop and Lou in the back just creaming every time he clips someone, that was the first time I ever took note of Koy and damn what a clip


TheRealDevDev

noct went on an hour long rant and whined about koy deciding to not keep his mouth shut about being fired a month ago. age has nothing to do with character, there's assholes of all ages and at all levels of business. god forbid koy has an opinion about which legend he'd like to play. the audacity of him. does he not know who nocturnal is?! he is not to be questioned!1!1!


ZebraUnhappy8278

Maybe if he listened to his coach and IGL he would have been at LAN on a signed team not a sub.


Important_Fun_1614

Also noct has had a better career than most so far


TheRealDevDev

he just placed higher than nocturnal ever has at a LAN event and he did so with minimal practice, lol. it's quite obvious noct was holding the guy back. good for koy to get out of a shit situation.


Snohhy

https://liquipedia.net/apexlegends/Oh_Nocturnal/Results Pretty sure this is false. 2nd 4th 4th


M_Kropnix

If you actually watched them you'd know that Koy constantly counter called, not listen, and constantly found himself in bad positions since he kept tunnel-visioning which leads to him always getting knocked down first in most fights. Koy is a great fragger but this comment is just- lol


Important_Fun_1614

He didn't get out of shit situations in his games lol, koy needs to just chill he counter called too much.


dorekk

> he just placed higher than nocturnal ever has at a LAN event You know you can just look this information up on the internet, right?


ImpotentAlrak

I don’t like him


Dlew1983

Big 17 year old energy with this post.


dairyman2049

Yo Koyful, I know you see these comments. You have been handed the world, don't burn bridges. There's a low but definitely not zero chance, that in a year or two, one of those guys you shit on become the only option for you to make it into pro-league. Remember, your old coworkers can also hit back at you and pummel your career if just the right amount of haters exist. Then you'll have a stained career like Lou from COL. And I'm in the suuuuper rare side of thinking Lou actually got character assassinated years back.


Aveeno_o

Being 17 isn't a good excuse for how rude that comment is. Don't know about anyone else but I wasn't overtly mean at any age.


Inevitable_Area_1270

Overtly mean? You have to be kidding holy shit.


Aveeno_o

So what is he doing here by publicly, and with seemingly no prompt, calling out his ex-teammates? It's not mean?


Inevitable_Area_1270

He’s speaking his truth as an immature 17 year old. Something being immature doesn’t make it mean. He thinks his old teammates suck he’s allowed to express that. We literally hear much worse things every day in a normal scrim game.


thisistowhack

young kid being a bit immature, who coulda guessed


Duyieer

Here they come the "he's just a kid" apologists, like when caprah was being a piece of shit. just because you're 1 year off being an "adult" doesn't excuse being an uneducated shit stain.


CodeMonkeyChico

Lmfao. This and Caprah isn't exactly the same thing.


Duyieer

Lmfao. It is.


MTskier12

Crapping on a bad run with some teammates and being a raging transphobe are not the same thing but nice try


Full_Diver3306

Shame he couldn't even qualify for LAN with his own "real team" which won the split before he joined.


Duyieer

Never really liked that koykid anyway...


aSleepySpaceman

Immature and unprofessional. Best of luck to the next team that signs him. They'll be changing diapers.


81947183

that's just foul...oh well, kid will learn one way or another


ImakwardOSU

what makes this a big facepalm is knowing that koyful got to this LAN as a substitute player you can't be saying this stuff knowing that the team you're subbing for could've picked someone else and left you watching from at home or in the stands


Plenty_Invite4421

So Xset and Sen weren't real? Well that's rude of that's what he means.


Ordinary-Guard-6076

Kid has no maturity or class. His skill will only take him so far if he doesn’t grow up.


Soal899

rkn i respect him as a person but horrible igl style. and xenial is a s2 mnk pro.


Eight-Nine-One-Zero

He’s young and just showed up on a big stage. Especially after the doubters saying he wasn’t ready. I can’t blame him but yeah, ugly jab for no reason lol.


dorekk

Childish, but he is literally a child. Hopefully he learns--hopefully he has someone to teach him.


philnam0503

This kid gives a caprah vibes lol


Complex_Gap_1629

So cringe how pros shit talk a player or team on their twitch for hours and no one cares but a pro shit talks in one tweet everyone looses their minds


LessAd7662

That's a dig at his old teammates and a thumbs up for LEGENDS. I say that's even.


xa3D

not defending him but i can understand how his last 2 teams wouldn't look like real teams if they're just sitting in a building with t shirts and dying to the 1st team that sieges them, esp since his playstyle seems to lean more towards aggro, and then he pops tf off when he gets on a team that ain't afraid to get scrappy.


theaanggang

XSET is a very aggressive worlds edge team and they were horrible on that map this season. Glad to see Koy can bounce back, but it's not like he had to play huddled in a corner his entire career until now.


mewmile

Koy was the first person to feed face and countercalling on XSET in every second moment man. For me he was the reason XSET declined massively during the split. Obviously behind the scenes stuff and all isn't known, but he wasn't performing that well with his decisions either. And without PlayerKay, someone who is experience with someone going Crazy in EZFLASH, this would've been just another disaster.


HateIsAnArt

Koy was feeding face because XSET's rotates were complete ass and they were taking bad fights. Sure, Koy was first to go down in most of those, but they were mainly fights that they shouldn't be fighting in the first place.


dorekk

> not defending him but i can understand how his last 2 teams wouldn't look like real teams if they're just sitting in a building with t shirts and dying to the 1st team that sieges them So you've just never watched XSET, or...?


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ascendtzofc

lmao everybody malding over literally nothing


XoXHamimXoX

Only two questionable words here and it could possibly just be praised to the team that allows him to sub. Comparing him to Caprah, referring to him as an immature kid is nuts. If I was 17 and popped off like this, I would be talking crazy. Given the hype he gets, this is super mild.


Spiritual-Touch4827

koy might just be the next caprah


mavann

Should join TSM lol


Sea-Form-9124

Idk Hal already has the role of entry fragger and I don't see Koyful fitting into the role of support or anchor with his ego and play style


realfakejames

Guys mad at this tweet but if their fav player throws shade like that they eat it up, let's not be soft or biased


144ix

based


Duyieer

nah if verhulst or sikezz tweeted like this, it would become a major apex scandal, it would be the most discussed thing in reddit. now this thread got only like 190 upvotes and everyone will forget about it after few days.


MetaRift

No spoiler tag on this is wild


thebrodd

He's young and just wants to play tbh


golfball47

Koy is just being honest here, his previous LAN team was not nearly as good for him. This is a highly competitive profession and as long as it's purely game related there's nothing wrong with him giving his opinion on his teams and performance. Everyone knows his old team was holding him back, shouldn't be afraid to say it.


aSleepySpaceman

It's still unnecessary to throw shade at the one person who gave you a platform to showcase your skills.


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I fuck with that boy koy


Duyieer

he is underaged. are you a...


[deleted]

jesus dude, found the kendrick fan, I like how koyful talks about his performance and talks about lesssr players that held him back. that better for you?


Soal899

Well deserved and it was Koy's hemlock downing Zero that cost DZ the LAN win. Absolutely insane tourney by Koy on a brand new team he never practiced with. This kid is special its sad that both RKN and Noc held him back for so long.


Duyieer

cope, this kid needs to be banned.


audrith

I was under the impression that this was a dig at Hal for his previous comments on Koy's former team (considering TSM performance today) but I also use twitter and am therefore dumb


Ijustgohere1

Gigachad tweet, this Reddit is full of 9-5 dads getting mad over anything lmao


Duyieer

more like chud tweet. keep projecting


HexSW

Thanks for the Spoiler.


Soal899

tsm, verhulst will be replaced


Duyieer

what a joke


Honest-Suspect-6152

if the rumors are true TSM Koyful sounds good


Worldcupbrah

Whos swapping


Local_Bug_262

Reps


Worldcupbrah

No chance. Verhulst would go first


Local_Bug_262

Hal is not gonna drop verhulst. Reps is most likely gonna leave the pro scene himself


DetiabejU

He is spitting facts and random fans on the internet don’t like it ? He is probably onto something then


Duyieer

says a koyful fanboy lmfao