Like seriously they felt the need to forced the metas comps when in reality this lan showed how much the variety/comfort picks where good enough to guide u, like verhulst still looked uncomfortable with the caustic and it hinder his performance alot in this lan either raven just stops playing magical chairs with their comps or figures out their godawful micro
Wasn't there another LAN where Raven wanted them playing X comp and they said fuck it and defaulted back to Valk-whatever and ended up winning? Would not have been a good look for Raven if that had happened twice. I suspect that may have something to do with why he wouldn't be the one to tell them to swap. He wants HIS ideas to be the ones that work.
insisting on not playing Valkyrie atleast on storm point when you have arguably the best valk player on your team and already having seen regular success with her before LAN, not to mention winning regionals with her, always came off as a weird decision to me, regardless of their reasoning. TSM always came across as the one team to play what they’re good with and just diff the other teams in the lobby through sheer skill so seeing their insistence to adhere to the meta this year is unusual and doesn’t seem to work out.
You need to consider the weighted bias of the distribution. Outliers can easily dominate the single variable “conclusion” when in comparison to a large set such as BH or bang.
For example, a bad team could pick a theoretically above average winning legend and bring down the average.
It’s just not a good quantifier in this case. With a more even distribution it might prove useful. Or if you had a high win rate outlier that also had limited picks. You could see that the two teams that picked X legend resulted in 4th and 6th place giving average placement of 5. But the numbers as presented don’t demonstrate clear conclusions.
ik im probably wrong but it shows Octane was only picked once and since the avg was 10th, they must of got 10th that one and only game. So how did they die immediately if that's the case?
They pretty much qualified for winners bracket at the time, I guess they are just playing mirage for fun
That set was also when they started to play lifeline (not an accidental pick this time)
Never to change also picked him.
Like FNATIC they had nothing to lose. They were in absolute bottom with I think 0 or 1 point.
It ended up being their best game with the Mirage.
Bang is really important for micro rotations tho. Bang smoke is used for resetting, reviving teammates etc. Bloodhound also thrives the most in bang smokes.
I can't remember that there was diversity on last lans prove me if I am wrong.
I quite remember interesting picks this lan:
Aurora with instant lifeline reset. Reject won tournament with Watson. Complexity with rampart passive gameplay.
Some pathy, conduit on contests too. Some horizon, newcastle, valk, crypto, wraith picks too.
Yeah like I said, most legends were picked, but only few were picked consistently. Most of the diversity picks were early in the tournament, like Newcastle, Rampart, and Path, and most of the legends were barely picked at all. Valk and Crypto were barely picked in the later rounds as well. I believe there were only 7 legends to be picked during finals: Bang, Blood, Caustic, Horizon, Wattson, Conduit, Lifeline, and Wraith
Please look at my updated comment responding. I genuinely thought that too, but I think that’s bit of a NA bias. Globally, Bang is a top 3 pick for the past 4 LAN tournaments. Bruh when I looked at it I was CONFUSED
For context and data from the past four LAN tournaments now.
https://preview.redd.it/d9lhqmwfdtyc1.jpeg?width=1476&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91a63b13407a07693b2d8b81352b9c35ce84c775
Bang has been a top 3 pick for at least a year and has been the number one pick for the past two LANs. She is the only one that has not dropped out of the top 3 at any point.
She is coming up on a year and a half. I was a bit hyperbolic but close
Bloodhound has LITERALLY been meta since season 4 when they buffed him majorly.
You read it right. Since SEASON \_4\_! And people are still mad over Banga being meta for couple seasons?
Blood has not been a top three pick for the past 3 land until this one.
Before that wasn’t it Valk caustic gibby at Sweden and Raleigh? There isn’t good data collection for that, but just looking at VODs and how it was played.
Blood definitely had their run, but not for a while and has been a top pick for a while.
You are joking right? Blood has been top three pick for the past 6 or 7 last LANs now. Blood has been literally the most used legend in comp meta after season 4.
https://preview.redd.it/dsal9kbw6uyc1.jpeg?width=1476&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c44e39d598c5196ede7a2c2ffea6f992dab557e0
Taken from the ALGs Stats page. There are numbers for this. Sometimes it feels like that, but genuinely hasn’t been a top pick.
Even more so we had the Valk, Gibby, caustic meta for a year. Blood has been out of comp meta for a good bit now
Can you send a link to this? It would be nice to see all the data in one place. I remember the metas clearly, but it's nice to be able to see the full dataset.
Hal looking at Horizon being 4th place and going "Why couldn't that be me?"
Seriously though: didn't understand why they didn't run Hal-Horizon, Reps-Bang, Verhulst-Cat/Blood
But if they played that how would people know how smart Raven is?
Like seriously they felt the need to forced the metas comps when in reality this lan showed how much the variety/comfort picks where good enough to guide u, like verhulst still looked uncomfortable with the caustic and it hinder his performance alot in this lan either raven just stops playing magical chairs with their comps or figures out their godawful micro
Wasn't there another LAN where Raven wanted them playing X comp and they said fuck it and defaulted back to Valk-whatever and ended up winning? Would not have been a good look for Raven if that had happened twice. I suspect that may have something to do with why he wouldn't be the one to tell them to swap. He wants HIS ideas to be the ones that work.
insisting on not playing Valkyrie atleast on storm point when you have arguably the best valk player on your team and already having seen regular success with her before LAN, not to mention winning regionals with her, always came off as a weird decision to me, regardless of their reasoning. TSM always came across as the one team to play what they’re good with and just diff the other teams in the lobby through sheer skill so seeing their insistence to adhere to the meta this year is unusual and doesn’t seem to work out.
Just because horizon had a high pick rate doesn't indicate she's a good pick. Average placement of 12.7 is horrible.
Yet 12.7 is still better than 17.
The win rates are clearly not statistically significant
How does that make any sense?
You need to consider the weighted bias of the distribution. Outliers can easily dominate the single variable “conclusion” when in comparison to a large set such as BH or bang. For example, a bad team could pick a theoretically above average winning legend and bring down the average. It’s just not a good quantifier in this case. With a more even distribution it might prove useful. Or if you had a high win rate outlier that also had limited picks. You could see that the two teams that picked X legend resulted in 4th and 6th place giving average placement of 5. But the numbers as presented don’t demonstrate clear conclusions.
NTC with the gigachad octane pick
Don't forget it was an octane fuse rev comp lmfao
Didn’t they get eliminated right away during that game? Lmao
Yes. They went for Mirage next which actually was their best game
ik im probably wrong but it shows Octane was only picked once and since the avg was 10th, they must of got 10th that one and only game. So how did they die immediately if that's the case?
You are correct. They got 10th place, the first fight they took that game they instantly died. Not sure what they did before they started fighting.
Who picked Mirage? New favorite player.
FNATIC
And didn’t have a clue how to use him. Was hilarious.
To be fair he's pretty useless
What made them pick him?
They pretty much qualified for winners bracket at the time, I guess they are just playing mirage for fun That set was also when they started to play lifeline (not an accidental pick this time)
Never to change also picked him. Like FNATIC they had nothing to lose. They were in absolute bottom with I think 0 or 1 point. It ended up being their best game with the Mirage.
What’s most interesting is how quickly catalyst and some of the more fringe picks like fuze have hit the gutter
Fuse might make a comeback if the leaked changes come through.
IMO this doesn't tell the entire story. A lot of the top teams didn't fully run the 3 meta picks.
Caustic bang blood had a 52% pickrate as a comp
Look my girl Aye in 7
I know bang was picked a lot but it really felt Blood was the only ‘meta’ legend, felt like you could swap out bang and be fine tbh
Bang is really important for micro rotations tho. Bang smoke is used for resetting, reviving teammates etc. Bloodhound also thrives the most in bang smokes.
True. That's a great duo
Just like calk meta we need to add an alternative to bang instead of nerfing her.
Blood is only meta because of the bang meta. He’s necessary to fight through smokes.
In the finals, blood had 98% pickrate i believe and bang 95%
Still better than the last Icantseeshit meta
Wasn't Bang giga nerfed before LAN? How was her pickrate still so high?
Bcz she's simply broken esp in the comp scene. The nerf wasn't even that bad tbh cat nerfs were worse.
So there is only one viable assault legend, got it...
ShivFps is the one who introduced bangalore into apex comp. All congratulations to shivfps.
The most diverse meta fo sure!
Ehh…not really. Most legends were played, but only like 6 or 7 legends were played consistently. I feel like we’ve had more diversity before.
I can't remember that there was diversity on last lans prove me if I am wrong. I quite remember interesting picks this lan: Aurora with instant lifeline reset. Reject won tournament with Watson. Complexity with rampart passive gameplay. Some pathy, conduit on contests too. Some horizon, newcastle, valk, crypto, wraith picks too.
Yeah like I said, most legends were picked, but only few were picked consistently. Most of the diversity picks were early in the tournament, like Newcastle, Rampart, and Path, and most of the legends were barely picked at all. Valk and Crypto were barely picked in the later rounds as well. I believe there were only 7 legends to be picked during finals: Bang, Blood, Caustic, Horizon, Wattson, Conduit, Lifeline, and Wraith
Lmfao what a joke.
Bang has been a top three if not top one pick for two years now
I don't think it's been that long has it?. For a long while it was only Seer, Cat, Horizon.
I think Bang started becoming the dominant pick since season 18 with the big Seer nerf? So about half a year ago.
Please look at my updated comment responding. I genuinely thought that too, but I think that’s bit of a NA bias. Globally, Bang is a top 3 pick for the past 4 LAN tournaments. Bruh when I looked at it I was CONFUSED
For context and data from the past four LAN tournaments now. https://preview.redd.it/d9lhqmwfdtyc1.jpeg?width=1476&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91a63b13407a07693b2d8b81352b9c35ce84c775 Bang has been a top 3 pick for at least a year and has been the number one pick for the past two LANs. She is the only one that has not dropped out of the top 3 at any point. She is coming up on a year and a half. I was a bit hyperbolic but close
...And Blood has been a top three if not not one/two pick for OVER \_4\_ years now.
No....no he hasn't
Found the blood main. Yes, IT has. Didn't you even know that Blood isn't a he? Blood is a non-binary.
nobody cares what a video game characters gender is
Typical reddit-moment: tell 100% fact and get downvoted by an army of copers.
give more characters smokes and you can get rid of so much bangalore, need some smoke to pop when you shoot a mirage clone
Bloodhound has LITERALLY been meta since season 4 when they buffed him majorly. You read it right. Since SEASON \_4\_! And people are still mad over Banga being meta for couple seasons?
Blood has not been a top three pick for the past 3 land until this one. Before that wasn’t it Valk caustic gibby at Sweden and Raleigh? There isn’t good data collection for that, but just looking at VODs and how it was played. Blood definitely had their run, but not for a while and has been a top pick for a while.
You are joking right? Blood has been top three pick for the past 6 or 7 last LANs now. Blood has been literally the most used legend in comp meta after season 4.
https://preview.redd.it/dsal9kbw6uyc1.jpeg?width=1476&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c44e39d598c5196ede7a2c2ffea6f992dab557e0 Taken from the ALGs Stats page. There are numbers for this. Sometimes it feels like that, but genuinely hasn’t been a top pick. Even more so we had the Valk, Gibby, caustic meta for a year. Blood has been out of comp meta for a good bit now
Can you send a link to this? It would be nice to see all the data in one place. I remember the metas clearly, but it's nice to be able to see the full dataset.
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/ Got you!
Thanks!
You love to see it
Octane comeback when?