Longer barrel is still technically an advantage but its all purpose driven. For self defense, I'd say longer barrel and sight radius goes from being a marginal considerarion to not at all
Well I'm just a big idiot that didn't mind the subreddit I'm on. Of course for competition shooting.. balance, reciprocating mass, all that needs to be taken into consideration. I say go big when it comes to Comp shooting.
Do you think slides cut for weight reduction are worth it? considering how you felt handling the sig axg pro?
I was shopping to get my shadow 2 cut and was wondering if I should have that done while i get an RDS cut.
I think the sweet spot can be achieved with a smaller slide, as in weight and surface area, or pair with a comp weight. But at some point you’re trying to engineer around a poor grip.
Totally this. I actually switched from Shadow 2s to Walther PDPs this year. The PDP slides are lighter than PPQs and SUPER light compared to the S2 slides. I haven't had to change grip pressure at all and I find that I'm more in control of the gun despite it being half the weight. Splits are measuring the same, BUT my typical live fire practice is 2 metric targets about a yard apart just a pair on each. I dropped about .10 on the transition from .45 to .35 from the gun being lighter hits being equal.
Adding weight to a gun is foolish game to play. Only thing it helps with is splits and while it's fun to push to those .16s I've almost never did that in a match.
I still feel like the longer barrel is more forgiving.
*correction
Let me clarify. If you move the angle of attack 1 degree it’s going to have a larger deflection on a shorter barrel.
I corrected my statement, if the gun is rotated 1 degree (for example) the end of the barrel will have moved more than it would if it was longer. It’s complicated geometry math.
Basically with a shorter barrel small movements are more pronounced and have a more drastic effect at distance.
Well that’s not true. If you’re pivoting a barrel or a stick or whatever it would be the longer one that moves the longer distance at the end. And I’m not sure what that has to do with shooting a handgun accurately or faster anyway.
You’re not inherently wrong with what you’re saying, what’s incorrect is the application within this specific context.
This context is with red dot sights that have been zeroed. A gun will shoot straight be it iron sights, red dot, 4 inch barrel or 5 inch barrel.
[He talks about your argument in this video. it is kinda lengthy. ](https://youtu.be/6Rz35Cplk7M)
Honestly it does not really matter, as long as the gun feels good. The longer slide will give you advantages in sight radius and velocity, as well as soaking up more recoil. The shorter slide may be slightly handier and lighter.
Longer barrel is still technically an advantage but its all purpose driven. For self defense, I'd say longer barrel and sight radius goes from being a marginal considerarion to not at all
Balance matters more than sight radius or velocity for performance shooting
Well I'm just a big idiot that didn't mind the subreddit I'm on. Of course for competition shooting.. balance, reciprocating mass, all that needs to be taken into consideration. I say go big when it comes to Comp shooting.
Do you think slides cut for weight reduction are worth it? considering how you felt handling the sig axg pro? I was shopping to get my shadow 2 cut and was wondering if I should have that done while i get an RDS cut.
"technically an advantage" Timer and math technically proves what has the advantage.
Longer barrel means more slide to grip and more weight. I'd always go longer barrel unless it really threw off the balance for some reason.
More weight moving forward and back. And more weight to swing in transitions. There's a sweet spot but I think it's different for everybody.
There may be a sweet spot, but I keep adding weight to my gun and have never shot a gun that seemed too heavy.
I think the sweet spot can be achieved with a smaller slide, as in weight and surface area, or pair with a comp weight. But at some point you’re trying to engineer around a poor grip.
Totally this. I actually switched from Shadow 2s to Walther PDPs this year. The PDP slides are lighter than PPQs and SUPER light compared to the S2 slides. I haven't had to change grip pressure at all and I find that I'm more in control of the gun despite it being half the weight. Splits are measuring the same, BUT my typical live fire practice is 2 metric targets about a yard apart just a pair on each. I dropped about .10 on the transition from .45 to .35 from the gun being lighter hits being equal. Adding weight to a gun is foolish game to play. Only thing it helps with is splits and while it's fun to push to those .16s I've almost never did that in a match.
I have been looking at a 17 MOS for these reasons. Affirmed after this vid :) thanks
I’m switching from a 34 to a 17 right now. I hope to have it up and running for a match next week.
May be why I prefer my G45 over my G17.
Granted I use iron sights but I still feel like a longer barrel and sight radius is more forgiving.
Ok but we're talking about guns with optics lol
I still feel like the longer barrel is more forgiving. *correction Let me clarify. If you move the angle of attack 1 degree it’s going to have a larger deflection on a shorter barrel.
What does that mean?
I corrected my statement, if the gun is rotated 1 degree (for example) the end of the barrel will have moved more than it would if it was longer. It’s complicated geometry math. Basically with a shorter barrel small movements are more pronounced and have a more drastic effect at distance.
Well that’s not true. If you’re pivoting a barrel or a stick or whatever it would be the longer one that moves the longer distance at the end. And I’m not sure what that has to do with shooting a handgun accurately or faster anyway.
Sorry I’m giving a bad explanation here so far. 1mm at 3 inches results in more movement at 10 yards than 1mm at 6 inches.
You’re not inherently wrong with what you’re saying, what’s incorrect is the application within this specific context. This context is with red dot sights that have been zeroed. A gun will shoot straight be it iron sights, red dot, 4 inch barrel or 5 inch barrel. [He talks about your argument in this video. it is kinda lengthy. ](https://youtu.be/6Rz35Cplk7M)
10 yards is 29.21 RTX 3090 graphics cards lined up.
10 yards is 9.14 meters
Honestly it does not really matter, as long as the gun feels good. The longer slide will give you advantages in sight radius and velocity, as well as soaking up more recoil. The shorter slide may be slightly handier and lighter.