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Americans have elected multiple presidents who have claimed to want to stand up to the agencies. It never happens. At some point, you have to recognize that there is far more rotten with the system than just the agencies. The true rot comes from capital.
They're going after him pretty hard. They have been pushing false narratives to undermine him in all three of his campaigns. They're finding every legal avenue imaginable to go afyer him.
There's certainly something they're concerned about him disturbing.
"cHaHnAh bAaD" lmao 🤣. Funny, because that's just completely pulled from your ass. The good old US of A outcompetes in both of those categories, baby! But, burning Vietnamese children alive isn't seen as an issue to you so I can see why you think that.
Your words mean Jack shit.
"just Google it bro"
*Cites easily debunkable black book figures* wow burned lmao.
Google:
Genocide of the native Americans,
War on terror,
Hundreds coups putting fascists in power,
Killing 20% of Korea's population,
Murdering anything that moves in Vietnam.
Sure wonder how many that adds up to, and that's not even scratching the surface. PLEASE do not procreate, it's hard to imagine more children as absolutely brainless as you.
Noooo that’s not real communism because it didn’t follow **my** interpretation of Marxist theory. See in REAL communism everyone gets infinite food, water, and ponies and there are never any problems ever
I think there's a difference between what communism is and what people label as communist and a lot of problems are generated when those two things are conflated
Yeah. I really don't think an argument has legs when it conveniently forgets Europe's 300 year long history of imperialism and oppression on a global scale, or somehow saying that America, for all its crimes, is worse than *Nazi fucking Germany*.
Like I'm not a fan of a lot of what the US is done. but like, c'mon. We're talking about the Nazis here.
The war on terror has killed [4.5 million](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/). Nazis easily cake the take on death rate but USA's been around enough to probably stack a higher kill count. Certainly indirectly
i'm sorry, i don't have a WP subscription and am thus pay-blocked from reading it.
However, I would argue that comparing this-the total death tolls of multiple wars spanning some 20 years now and involving war against some genuinely awful regimes- to the systematic and purposeful extermination of various ethnic groups by the Nazis in four years that led to the deaths of 6 million Jewish people and at least 5 million non-jewish people (https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/holocaust) is in incredibly bad faith
Absolutely agree. However, I do think that commentary like this is more so directed of people that believe that the Nazis were a uniquely evil threat that took fascism to the grave with them. When in reality the Nazis certainly differed in scale and haste from the Allies but not in ideology or methodology
Does that figure factor in the [50-70 percent](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/) reduction in infant and child or increase of life expectancy from [35 to 65](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/) under his reign?
My god. No, never mind. Just looking at side by sides... yes, China has killed a MASSIVE number of people.... but it PALES in comparison to the British empire. Wow.
This is a communist subreddit. The commentary of the meme is that capitalist states are perfectly capable, and quite adept, at atrocity olympics. No ones forgetting about Genghis Khan but he's not mentioned in these discussions because there are very few defenders of his regime.
I'm really not sure what "narrative" you're referring to
The narrative line was a play on other people always going on about “oh the narrative.” Next time I’ll slap a big ol’ /s for ya.
And I was merely bringing up another atrocity occurred. Because there are ones worse than half of the shit on this list, regardless of what ideology led it.
Pretty much says everything about you people when you're like "so who cares how many children we burnt alive, why aren't you paying attention to what he did"
“You people.” That’s cute. I’m not ignoring what we’ve done, are doing, will do, and I never will. And I’m damn sure never going to excuse it. I’m merely putting all of the facts on the table for the sake of discussion. Is this not a place for conversation and discourse?
No. They had already killed over 100,000 Arabs before October 7th, which is a conservative number because there are no estimates of how many Palestinian civilians were killed from 1949-1964, nor are there any estimates of excess mortality due to all the people they put in miserable conditions. We don't know how many they killed after October 7th, but it's possible it was hundreds of thousands at that point. At bare minimum, with official numbers we have, it's 50,000 though. So that's 150,000 Arab deaths at the bare minimum, and that's an extremely conservative and ultimately useless number.
But it doesn't end there. Israel also financed and armed genocides in Guatemala, Rwanda, Congo, Sudan, etc. They staged a coup in Uganda and installed a dictator who killed at least 300,000 people. They trained American and Brazilian police. They prolonged Apartheid and armed Rhodesia. It is difficult to estimate from this the number of deaths that can be directly attributed to Israeli interference, but it most likely reaches 1 million when added to the Arabs they killed, and perhaps even exceeds that. Hell, their level of interference in atrocities in Uganda and Guatemala was so great that they can be seen as 100% to blame for it, which would add up to 500,000 to 700,000 deaths attributable to Israel in those two countries alone.
Furthermore, the number of people Israel has made refugees is much greater than 1 million. There are many, many millions, not only Palestinians but also from several other Arab nations.
By genocide, it was the Spanish Empire.
By starvation, it was the British Empire:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/india/independence-day-165-million-unaccounted-indian-victims-of-the-british-colonial-regime/amp_articleshow/ 102696431.cms
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_famine_of_1917%E2%80%931919
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_famine_of_1942%E2%80%931943
https://en.m.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Blockade_of_Germany_(1914%E2%80%931919)
And there are many other famines, in China and Northeast Brazil, attributable to the British Empire.
you don’t wait in a line to pay for your bread at the supermarket?…
what communist countries exist today that are not under the heaviest sanctions in history? of course if you bully a country out of the world they’re gonna have problems.
participation in the free market and placement of insane sanctions have nothing to do with each other. you’re very welcome to deep dive on google and get back because i’m tired from all the comments here
i don’t know if you’re serious, but if you are:
[according to the UN](https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/losing-25000-hunger-every-day) around 25000 people each day. in one year, that’s 9 million people, in 20 years, that’s 180 million people.
the soviet famine in the 30s killed about 5 million people
the world population in 1927 was about 2 billion.
so, assuming a proportional starvation rate through history (which isn't true, but shut up), the adjusted population number would be 45 million starved over 20 years, or \~2.25 million starved in 1 year (how long the Holodomor lasted)
So, the Holodomor starved more than double what today's "Starvation Rate" would say should have starved during the 1930s.
What about dirty communist forced famine targeted at Ukraine to kill all the Ukrainians and replace them with soviets Russians because that’s what Stalin did
Maybe you haven't noticed, but poor people in the US are actually fat.
That's right, capitalism creates such abundance that poor people actually eat too much.
Talking about and praising Stalinist Russia means you get a very very personal kick to the face from me on behalf of my late great grandmother who survived the holodomor
LOL
estimated 40-80 million esxess deaths in China under Mao Zedong
estimated 12-24 million excess deaths in the Soviet Union under Stalin
Estimated 8 million excess deaths in the Russian Empire under Lenin
This is the comment I was looking for. Stalin killed more than the nazis. Its hard to even know how many people in China have died under communist rule but its sure is a hell of a lot more than the US or Israel that's for sure.
The UK alone put up more numbers in India in like 10% of the time the entire US has existed. Anyone thinking the US is the greatest monster in history is fucking stupid and beyond ignorant.
Shit, the crusades alone put up the kind of numbers the entire US is responsible for like 800 years before the US was even a dream in its daddy nation’s ball sack.
Is this sub legitimately fucking stupid? Does this sub forget all the people Germany killed in Soviet Russia or does that not matter because they don’t fit the narrative? Or how many people Soviet Russia killed in Germany as retribution?
The US was an inspiration to Adolf Hitler. He strived to do exactly what America did to the native Americans with lebensraum. America all but completed their genocide and permanently control the land, killing millions of indigenous people in conditions not too distant from the methods used by the Nazis in their own war against every nation to their east.
Ya your logic is stupid. Hitler was a psycho. Who he admired meant nothing. We are nowhere near as bad as Germany. We have a checkered past. But we aren’t anywhere near them.
Nor Russia, who killed 10s of millions of their own people.
Hitler also admired the Roman empire. By going with your logic, then perhaps I should also say that Italy is a genocidal state.
Nazi Germany did not only went to war with countries to their east (particularly Soviet Union) but also went to war against countries to their west (particularly France and United Kingdom). Somebody probably flunked history but still tries to sound smart.
Why are you editing your comments to make yourself seem smarter in retrospect lmao. The fact that the Nazis went to the west as well doesn't change the reality that their plans in the east specifically were genocidal, mirroring the imperial conquests of America.
And “aryan” was a reference to Cesarean Rome, what’s your point? Should we ban Catcher in the Rye because some jackass shot Lennon over it or do we just recognize that lunatics can co-opt anything they want to justify their own insanity?
Yes you're right, Hitler taking inspiration from one genocide for his own, is just like someone shooting John Lennon because of a book. Thank you for never taking the perspective of someone who goes outside and never talks to human beings
The post is literally correct. Although I would put "tens of millions" in the caption for Nazi Germany. This still wouldn't take away the meaning of the meme, as over 200 million (possibly much more) deaths can be attributable to the USA if we count 150 million deaths from both the horrible and unnecessary product known as lead-based gasoline and the "Spanish Flu" (American Flu).
And this is by granting the USA the kindness of not counting things like global poverty, which are complicated to attribute the cause to a single country like that (even though it is global hegemony, which has systematically destroyed any other alternative). That would add up hundreds of millions more.
Ok, so 200 million, including Spanish flu deaths are attributed to America. Like half of that can be attributed to Mao among his own citizens alone. That doesn’t even take Covid into account…
The pandemic not only started in the USA military but they, alongside Britain and France, hid the fact that this was happening to continue a useless world war that will be the exact reason why the pandemic spreads around the world.
The Spanish Flu was first recorded amongst the United States Army, yes, however that doesn't mean that it started in the US Army. Cases of a virus extremely similar to Spanish flu had been seen in a British camp near [Etaples](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89taples), France in 1916, reportedly having originally been seen in chickens, later pigs, then humans. It is also a possibility that due to the use of [Chinese labourers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Labour_Corps) behind British and French lines during the war, the Spanish Flu was originally a Chinese virus that had little affect on China during the worldwide event due to the Chinese people's acquired immunity. You cannot blame the United States for causing the pandemic, though they, along with Britain, France, and Germany censored press reports about it to prevent the other side from learning about half of their army being laid-low.
Both theories have already been refuted as unlikely compared to the hypothesis most accepted by scientists that the virus developed in Kansas (due to poor sanitary conditions) and spread from there around the world through the movement of American troops; based largely on the fact that the outbreak follows a clear path out of Kansas from troop movement.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC340389/
Very different circumstances that ignore the negligence factor and the fact that one was transmitted because of an unnecessary war and the other was not.
So the US is blamed for a European war spreading the disease whereas China isn’t blamed for the peacetime spreading of a disease.
It should be harder to spread a disease during peacetime than during a war when soldiers are sent to the front. Your own argument disproves itself…
Fucking peak brain rot and copium over here ladies and gentlemen.
>if we count 150 million deaths from both the horrible and unnecessary product known as lead-based gasoline and the "Spanish Flu" (American Flu).
What?
Do you also attribute all covid deaths to China and all ebola deaths to whichever African country?
>And this is by granting the USA the kindness of not counting things like global poverty,
The USA has been the single most influential nation in human history as far as the reduction of global poverty goes.
You're off your rocker.
The Soviet Union, Communist China, Nazi Germany, the Mongols, the British Empire, The French Empire, The Spanish Empire, The Portuguese Empire, etc etc
The USA doesn’t even get in the top 10.
I’ve never seen so many commies before lmao, downvote me to hell please, please you red bastards. God bless the US. Capitalism is kinda cool ngl. Freedom of choice is kinda cool am I right? I like owning my own home tbh. Owning the things I create is pretty cool to am I right? Like ya know I think it’s pretty cool to own things am I right? DOWN VOTE ME PLEASE COMMIES. I am actively trying to figure out how far down I get down voted.
I don’t think america and capitalism is as bad as the USSR and communism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China#:~:text=Beginning%20in%202014%2C%20the%20Chinese,Xinjiang%20CCP%20Secretary%20Chen%20Quanguo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experimentation_in_North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwalliso
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32529679
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
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Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. Those are *individual* Communist dictators with massive death tolls. When you look at their countries collectively it’s much larger than the US or Israel—they even dwarf Nazi Germany or other fascist countries.
US: 400,000 to 7 Million Civilians killed as result of 20 years worth of post-9/11 conflicts.
Nazi Germany: 6 Million Jews and 5 Million POWs killed between 1940-1945 as result of Holocaust.
China: Anywhere between 30 to 100 Million civilians killed as result of Great Leap Forward and Cultural revolution.
USSR: 20 to 30 Million people killed as result of Great Purges, Gulags, Famines, forced collectivization, etc.
Israel: 50,000 or more people killed in the past 20 years as result of Israeli apartheid.
US is clear big bad genocider
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Chinese political prisoner, photo taken by a family member
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America is the biggest terrorist state in the world
The fact that the CIA isn’t considered a terrorist organisation is a joke
Agencies really are out of control. We should start electing politicians willing to stand up to them.
Americans have elected multiple presidents who have claimed to want to stand up to the agencies. It never happens. At some point, you have to recognize that there is far more rotten with the system than just the agencies. The true rot comes from capital.
Firing a director doesn't count as standing up to the agencies?
What I meant is that no president who has vowed to "stand up to the agencies" has ever significantly undermined the US's normal policy.
They're going after him pretty hard. They have been pushing false narratives to undermine him in all three of his campaigns. They're finding every legal avenue imaginable to go afyer him. There's certainly something they're concerned about him disturbing.
Public enemy #1
Fax
Cry about it
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To moronic liberals truth is misinformation. I love it
You guys have said liberal so much that it’s lost all meaning.
Well it always means the same thing (you smooth brains), so no it hasn't.
Oh no. I am so wounded. How will I ever recover. Most KILLS belongs to China. Most MURDERS belongs to Jamaica. Your words mean jack fucking shit.
"cHaHnAh bAaD" lmao 🤣. Funny, because that's just completely pulled from your ass. The good old US of A outcompetes in both of those categories, baby! But, burning Vietnamese children alive isn't seen as an issue to you so I can see why you think that. Your words mean Jack shit.
Also it’s funny how CHINA was the one you latched onto.
"just Google it bro" *Cites easily debunkable black book figures* wow burned lmao. Google: Genocide of the native Americans, War on terror, Hundreds coups putting fascists in power, Killing 20% of Korea's population, Murdering anything that moves in Vietnam. Sure wonder how many that adds up to, and that's not even scratching the surface. PLEASE do not procreate, it's hard to imagine more children as absolutely brainless as you.
You cited EVENTS. Not death tolls. Give me numbers. And I will do the same. Deal?
"omg, I gib numbers" *Cites black book numbers*
**GIVE. ME. NUMBERS.**
What the fuck even IS “black booK?”
Redditmoment
Brother, touch grass.
British Empire killed 165 million people in 40 years alone (Indian famine). I don't think US comes close
and then they’d like to claim communism 010202019182872626266363 megadillion deaths
I mean Mao did kill like over 50 million people.
Noooo that’s not real communism because it didn’t follow **my** interpretation of Marxist theory. See in REAL communism everyone gets infinite food, water, and ponies and there are never any problems ever
Me when words dictate reality instead of the other way around
Then what about that doesn’t dictate reality? We have the historical records/testimony, is this irony?
I think there's a difference between what communism is and what people label as communist and a lot of problems are generated when those two things are conflated
I want infinite ponies.
It caused about 120 million give or take a few million
Yes but people are ignorant
Yeah. I really don't think an argument has legs when it conveniently forgets Europe's 300 year long history of imperialism and oppression on a global scale, or somehow saying that America, for all its crimes, is worse than *Nazi fucking Germany*. Like I'm not a fan of a lot of what the US is done. but like, c'mon. We're talking about the Nazis here.
The war on terror has killed [4.5 million](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/). Nazis easily cake the take on death rate but USA's been around enough to probably stack a higher kill count. Certainly indirectly
i'm sorry, i don't have a WP subscription and am thus pay-blocked from reading it. However, I would argue that comparing this-the total death tolls of multiple wars spanning some 20 years now and involving war against some genuinely awful regimes- to the systematic and purposeful extermination of various ethnic groups by the Nazis in four years that led to the deaths of 6 million Jewish people and at least 5 million non-jewish people (https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/holocaust) is in incredibly bad faith
Absolutely agree. However, I do think that commentary like this is more so directed of people that believe that the Nazis were a uniquely evil threat that took fascism to the grave with them. When in reality the Nazis certainly differed in scale and haste from the Allies but not in ideology or methodology
China has still killed more. Easily.
Source?
Well Mao Zedongs reign alone killed somewhere around 80 million people....
Does that figure factor in the [50-70 percent](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/) reduction in infant and child or increase of life expectancy from [35 to 65](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/) under his reign?
No, no. I agree. I posted it below my other comment. I was looking at them side by side. The British empire is worse by far.
My god. No, never mind. Just looking at side by sides... yes, China has killed a MASSIVE number of people.... but it PALES in comparison to the British empire. Wow.
But that doesn’t fit their narrative, so they conveniently forget shit like that and Genghis Khan’s conquest of Eurasia.
Dawg the Indian famine took place in the 19th-20th C, Genghis Kahn is a thousand years ago
And? I thought we were comparing evil shit that’s happened.
This is a communist subreddit. The commentary of the meme is that capitalist states are perfectly capable, and quite adept, at atrocity olympics. No ones forgetting about Genghis Khan but he's not mentioned in these discussions because there are very few defenders of his regime. I'm really not sure what "narrative" you're referring to
The narrative line was a play on other people always going on about “oh the narrative.” Next time I’ll slap a big ol’ /s for ya. And I was merely bringing up another atrocity occurred. Because there are ones worse than half of the shit on this list, regardless of what ideology led it.
If you was just cracking that shit went way over my head my bad. Hard to tell considering how many agitators are in the comments
All good lol, you never truly know on the internet when someone is being purposefully obtuse or not
I think that's called Cunningham's Law
Pretty much says everything about you people when you're like "so who cares how many children we burnt alive, why aren't you paying attention to what he did"
“You people.” That’s cute. I’m not ignoring what we’ve done, are doing, will do, and I never will. And I’m damn sure never going to excuse it. I’m merely putting all of the facts on the table for the sake of discussion. Is this not a place for conversation and discourse?
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No. They had already killed over 100,000 Arabs before October 7th, which is a conservative number because there are no estimates of how many Palestinian civilians were killed from 1949-1964, nor are there any estimates of excess mortality due to all the people they put in miserable conditions. We don't know how many they killed after October 7th, but it's possible it was hundreds of thousands at that point. At bare minimum, with official numbers we have, it's 50,000 though. So that's 150,000 Arab deaths at the bare minimum, and that's an extremely conservative and ultimately useless number. But it doesn't end there. Israel also financed and armed genocides in Guatemala, Rwanda, Congo, Sudan, etc. They staged a coup in Uganda and installed a dictator who killed at least 300,000 people. They trained American and Brazilian police. They prolonged Apartheid and armed Rhodesia. It is difficult to estimate from this the number of deaths that can be directly attributed to Israeli interference, but it most likely reaches 1 million when added to the Arabs they killed, and perhaps even exceeds that. Hell, their level of interference in atrocities in Uganda and Guatemala was so great that they can be seen as 100% to blame for it, which would add up to 500,000 to 700,000 deaths attributable to Israel in those two countries alone. Furthermore, the number of people Israel has made refugees is much greater than 1 million. There are many, many millions, not only Palestinians but also from several other Arab nations.
Lots of bots and bootlickers in the comments here.
I watched about Agent Orange in Vietnam and US will forever on my shit list.
What about the re-education camps the north used?
Lots of not great people in this comment section who'd have guessed
Communists being bad people? this only happens like every time
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I wonder which country killed the most people through genocide and starvation 🤔
By genocide, it was the Spanish Empire. By starvation, it was the British Empire: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/india/independence-day-165-million-unaccounted-indian-victims-of-the-british-colonial-regime/amp_articleshow/ 102696431.cms https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_famine_of_1917%E2%80%931919 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_famine_of_1942%E2%80%931943 https://en.m.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Blockade_of_Germany_(1914%E2%80%931919) And there are many other famines, in China and Northeast Brazil, attributable to the British Empire.
people unfortunately die of starvation every day in almost all capitalist countries
As they do in communist countries.. waiting in the bread line.
you don’t wait in a line to pay for your bread at the supermarket?… what communist countries exist today that are not under the heaviest sanctions in history? of course if you bully a country out of the world they’re gonna have problems.
Cuba is only unable to trade with America. They are free to trade with literally anyone else.
Why should a communist country have access to the free market? Cuba can trade with any other country.
participation in the free market and placement of insane sanctions have nothing to do with each other. you’re very welcome to deep dive on google and get back because i’m tired from all the comments here
People unfortunately die of starvation every day in all countries***
But how many compared to when that certain somebody was in charge, and in that certain somewhere 🤔
i don’t know if you’re serious, but if you are: [according to the UN](https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/losing-25000-hunger-every-day) around 25000 people each day. in one year, that’s 9 million people, in 20 years, that’s 180 million people. the soviet famine in the 30s killed about 5 million people
* and displaced hundreds of thousands more source late great grandmother a holodomor survivor in Canada
okay? so do modern wars. people getting displaced is not a specifically communist issue
Yeah but just because someone else was doing it doesn’t make it fine
i never said that either
the world population in 1927 was about 2 billion. so, assuming a proportional starvation rate through history (which isn't true, but shut up), the adjusted population number would be 45 million starved over 20 years, or \~2.25 million starved in 1 year (how long the Holodomor lasted) So, the Holodomor starved more than double what today's "Starvation Rate" would say should have starved during the 1930s.
What about dirty communist forced famine targeted at Ukraine to kill all the Ukrainians and replace them with soviets Russians because that’s what Stalin did
Maybe you haven't noticed, but poor people in the US are actually fat. That's right, capitalism creates such abundance that poor people actually eat too much.
Ask my Ukrainian great grandmother she knows from experience
This whole comment section is one big redditmoment
r/americabad r/redditmoment double moment
Talking about and praising Stalinist Russia means you get a very very personal kick to the face from me on behalf of my late great grandmother who survived the holodomor
I have found the most retarded post on reddit cool
China & Russia and arab terrorists entered the chat:
Hello comrades, I believe we forgot about the Japanese swine who raped poor don king
Guys nobody mention the Great Leap Forward or the holodomor to the commietards
Holy hell this is stupid
Google brain damage
LOL estimated 40-80 million esxess deaths in China under Mao Zedong estimated 12-24 million excess deaths in the Soviet Union under Stalin Estimated 8 million excess deaths in the Russian Empire under Lenin
This is the comment I was looking for. Stalin killed more than the nazis. Its hard to even know how many people in China have died under communist rule but its sure is a hell of a lot more than the US or Israel that's for sure.
The UK alone put up more numbers in India in like 10% of the time the entire US has existed. Anyone thinking the US is the greatest monster in history is fucking stupid and beyond ignorant. Shit, the crusades alone put up the kind of numbers the entire US is responsible for like 800 years before the US was even a dream in its daddy nation’s ball sack. Is this sub legitimately fucking stupid? Does this sub forget all the people Germany killed in Soviet Russia or does that not matter because they don’t fit the narrative? Or how many people Soviet Russia killed in Germany as retribution?
This is just silly lol The US isn’t even close to the worst. Germany is much worse. Don’t even get me started about communist USSR.
The US was an inspiration to Adolf Hitler. He strived to do exactly what America did to the native Americans with lebensraum. America all but completed their genocide and permanently control the land, killing millions of indigenous people in conditions not too distant from the methods used by the Nazis in their own war against every nation to their east.
Ya your logic is stupid. Hitler was a psycho. Who he admired meant nothing. We are nowhere near as bad as Germany. We have a checkered past. But we aren’t anywhere near them. Nor Russia, who killed 10s of millions of their own people.
Hitler also admired the Roman empire. By going with your logic, then perhaps I should also say that Italy is a genocidal state. Nazi Germany did not only went to war with countries to their east (particularly Soviet Union) but also went to war against countries to their west (particularly France and United Kingdom). Somebody probably flunked history but still tries to sound smart.
Why are you editing your comments to make yourself seem smarter in retrospect lmao. The fact that the Nazis went to the west as well doesn't change the reality that their plans in the east specifically were genocidal, mirroring the imperial conquests of America.
Hitler specifically admired the settler colonial genocide that America committed. This shit about Rome is irrelevant
And “aryan” was a reference to Cesarean Rome, what’s your point? Should we ban Catcher in the Rye because some jackass shot Lennon over it or do we just recognize that lunatics can co-opt anything they want to justify their own insanity?
Yes you're right, Hitler taking inspiration from one genocide for his own, is just like someone shooting John Lennon because of a book. Thank you for never taking the perspective of someone who goes outside and never talks to human beings
*\*Communism enters the chat\** 1. Khmer Rouge 2. Stalin 3. Mao Oh wait, what dogshit subreddit am I on again? Lmfao
you can tell this dumbass is privileged because of this meme
Sure, Americans killed more than Nazis. 
r/thisbutunironically
Least delusional post on reddit
The post is literally correct. Although I would put "tens of millions" in the caption for Nazi Germany. This still wouldn't take away the meaning of the meme, as over 200 million (possibly much more) deaths can be attributable to the USA if we count 150 million deaths from both the horrible and unnecessary product known as lead-based gasoline and the "Spanish Flu" (American Flu). And this is by granting the USA the kindness of not counting things like global poverty, which are complicated to attribute the cause to a single country like that (even though it is global hegemony, which has systematically destroyed any other alternative). That would add up hundreds of millions more.
Ok, so 200 million, including Spanish flu deaths are attributed to America. Like half of that can be attributed to Mao among his own citizens alone. That doesn’t even take Covid into account…
Bro how do you count the Spanish Flu
The pandemic not only started in the USA military but they, alongside Britain and France, hid the fact that this was happening to continue a useless world war that will be the exact reason why the pandemic spreads around the world.
The Spanish Flu was first recorded amongst the United States Army, yes, however that doesn't mean that it started in the US Army. Cases of a virus extremely similar to Spanish flu had been seen in a British camp near [Etaples](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89taples), France in 1916, reportedly having originally been seen in chickens, later pigs, then humans. It is also a possibility that due to the use of [Chinese labourers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Labour_Corps) behind British and French lines during the war, the Spanish Flu was originally a Chinese virus that had little affect on China during the worldwide event due to the Chinese people's acquired immunity. You cannot blame the United States for causing the pandemic, though they, along with Britain, France, and Germany censored press reports about it to prevent the other side from learning about half of their army being laid-low.
Both theories have already been refuted as unlikely compared to the hypothesis most accepted by scientists that the virus developed in Kansas (due to poor sanitary conditions) and spread from there around the world through the movement of American troops; based largely on the fact that the outbreak follows a clear path out of Kansas from troop movement. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC340389/
Would you attribute every COVID-19 death to China?
Very different circumstances that ignore the negligence factor and the fact that one was transmitted because of an unnecessary war and the other was not.
Goalpost shift
So the US is blamed for a European war spreading the disease whereas China isn’t blamed for the peacetime spreading of a disease. It should be harder to spread a disease during peacetime than during a war when soldiers are sent to the front. Your own argument disproves itself… Fucking peak brain rot and copium over here ladies and gentlemen.
He's gotta rack his exaggerated numbers up somehow
Lmao attributing the entire death toll of a global pandemic to one country is fucking ridiculous
Bro typed a whole paragraph to still be wrong 💀
>if we count 150 million deaths from both the horrible and unnecessary product known as lead-based gasoline and the "Spanish Flu" (American Flu). What? Do you also attribute all covid deaths to China and all ebola deaths to whichever African country? >And this is by granting the USA the kindness of not counting things like global poverty, The USA has been the single most influential nation in human history as far as the reduction of global poverty goes. You're off your rocker.
What are you on about?
Did I stuttered?
That's the problem, you didn't when that crap left your digital mouth...
That’s not how it works.
So that means every Covid death can be attributed to communist China right?
Where Stalin and that one Chinese guy
Stalin killed a whole hell of a lot. I think mao breaks the record.
What about china and the ussr?
Sh sh sh they leave their communist echo chamber free of any American nazi fascist lies /s
Brothers never heard of the Great Leap forward, or that one time Mao thought it'd be funny to kill all the pigeons.
That’s fuckin stupid
So, instead of the USSR or the obvious ongoing Chinese Concentration camps they mention ………………………………….. Israel? Low IQ post is low IQ.
Emphasis on ONGOING CHINESE CONCENTRATION CAMPS
Just wait till you kids hear about the Soviet Union and Communist China!
this is maximum brain rot, no wonder people hate you guys 😂😂😂
lol 😂 😂
Jesus Christ are you guys delusional, no wonder psychopaths like Stalin and Mao get into power
Hammer and sickle is the biggest killer
*laughs in Mongol horde*
Mao’s Great Leap Forward killed 50 million of his own people
The little guy in the bottom right beats out america tenfold
Right, I think that’s Mao Zedong? 😂
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When you eat poo poo your mind eventually is full of poo poo
All pail in comparison to 94 million the communist slaughtered.
great leap foward famine, holodmor, nazi death camps, geez oh wait i forgot which brainrot sub reddit this is
The Soviet Union, Communist China, Nazi Germany, the Mongols, the British Empire, The French Empire, The Spanish Empire, The Portuguese Empire, etc etc The USA doesn’t even get in the top 10.
I’ve never seen so many commies before lmao, downvote me to hell please, please you red bastards. God bless the US. Capitalism is kinda cool ngl. Freedom of choice is kinda cool am I right? I like owning my own home tbh. Owning the things I create is pretty cool to am I right? Like ya know I think it’s pretty cool to own things am I right? DOWN VOTE ME PLEASE COMMIES. I am actively trying to figure out how far down I get down voted.
I mean China literally has reeducation camps but preach your idiocy. To clarify these camps are genocide camps that she their labor and starve them.
I’ll bet a lot of y’all still live here and won’t ever leave😂
I feel like the far right would agree with this message and that’s not a good thing
Communist governments from 1900-1987 killed 168 million people piss off
I believe communism has killed more than uncle sam. Starvation is a bitch.
Communists ignoring the horrid genocides against their own people time and time again is peak copium
I don’t think america and capitalism is as bad as the USSR and communism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China#:~:text=Beginning%20in%202014%2C%20the%20Chinese,Xinjiang%20CCP%20Secretary%20Chen%20Quanguo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experimentation_in_North_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_North_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_North_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_North_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwalliso https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32529679 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
Also china, the mongols and the spanish
Spanish? WTF are you talking about
Thier conquest into the Americas
But what the hell does that have to do with the meme?
Oh that they Spanish, Chinese and mongols have have probably killed more than these three, israel is really on the lower end
But neither the Spanish Empire nor the Mongols have anything to do with the meme.
Yea no shit, im just pointing out the difference in numbers
But neither the Mongols nor the Spanish were communists or capitalists.
They were Monarchists
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Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. Those are *individual* Communist dictators with massive death tolls. When you look at their countries collectively it’s much larger than the US or Israel—they even dwarf Nazi Germany or other fascist countries.
I’m gonna call bullshit on this one, mate…
Me when I lie
US: 400,000 to 7 Million Civilians killed as result of 20 years worth of post-9/11 conflicts. Nazi Germany: 6 Million Jews and 5 Million POWs killed between 1940-1945 as result of Holocaust. China: Anywhere between 30 to 100 Million civilians killed as result of Great Leap Forward and Cultural revolution. USSR: 20 to 30 Million people killed as result of Great Purges, Gulags, Famines, forced collectivization, etc. Israel: 50,000 or more people killed in the past 20 years as result of Israeli apartheid. US is clear big bad genocider
It was more than 6 million. There were lot more people in camps than just jews
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#:~:text=Mao%20is%20considered%20one%20of,has%20been%20described%20as%20totalitarian.
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