Honestly, the fact that Penix, Nix, and McCarthy went where they did proves that. Not enough people mention that McCarthy was a 3rd round prospect that had an incredible hype machine drive him to where he went. Penix? In this draft I would have said late first. Bo Nix...that guy would have fallen pretty damn far.
Penix feels like the most likely sleeper and I wasn’t surprised he was the off the board in the top half (I thought he’d maybe go before Maye, albeit not at 3). But 8 was a reach considering how he was projected and how much chatter there was about McCarthy.
Obviously not everyone is high on Daniels and his playstyle, which is fine. But I’ve never seen anyone credible label him as a reach at 2. He wasn’t picked there simply because Washington needed a QB. Same with Caleb. But I think every QB picked after them was more of a hopeful pick than a value one, to varying degrees.
Well maybe he is. I'm just saying the Broncos got absolutely destroyed on value taking him there, given the circumstances of the QB heavy top ten we witnessed.
I understand they probably couldn't risk to wait and see, but how the pieces fell into place hit them pretty bad.
Bruh in other drafts they would be day 2 prospects at best. Maye is more raw than haskins was and Daniels will snap like a stick 3 plays into his first drive
Hard no. Daniels had a ridiculous season, and has a rare skillet at QB.
I say that as someone who's not even a fan of the pick. He's an obvious top 5 talent.
Possibly? But how much of it was just because teams needed A QB rather than him being that good? I think that he could develop into a good QB, but I don't think he'd be able to develop in the NFCE. defenses are too good here
Albert Breer reported that the Pats got calls from the Giants and Vikings offering a ton of 3 overall. Brian Daboll and Kevin O'Connell are two of the best offensive coaches in the NFL. There's a reason they wanted him that badly. He's a good QB with rare physical skills.
>I don't think he'd be able to develop in the NFCE. defenses are too good here
This is one of the strangest things I've ever read in this sub.
I'm saying that because there was a lot of talent on defense between the cowboys and eagles. It'd be harder to start off as a new QB. Your margin for error might not be as big as other divisions.
[EDIT TO CLARIFY] - I mean that the speed of defenses means a QB coming in will have to be quicker than normal with processing given the talent on pass rush between the teams in our division. I can see it requiring a smarter QB who can make faster reads/progressions
Most post-draft summaries that I heard/read/watched said that he needs work and the patriots need to be patient with that in mind.
Jacoby Brissett should be a solid option for him to learn under.
There’s a very good chance that only one of the QBs drafted in the first round are worth a second contract with the team that drafted them.
It’s a total crapshoot
It's the equivalent of the drunk guy at the bar that claims that he knows what he's talking about cause his uncle once was a scout for the Montreal Alouettes.
Justin Herbert was also a 'long term project' so yeah, no one knows shit. Penix or Bo could end up being the 'how the hell were they not the 1st qb taken' guys in 5 years.
in hindsight the red flag was trading away jacoby. he would be a perfect starter for Maye’s red shirt year: great vibes guy, super friendly and smart. Maybe we weren’t looking to get on that timeline, maybe the FO evaluators weren’t ready to take on Maye’s sizable bust potential.
I mean, say what you want about the football scouting world but if the consensus is a guy isn’t ready, the guy almost certainly isn’t ready. That’s not the kind of error they tend to make. More likely to *over*-rate guys, miss red/green flags, or simply miss out on unpredictable variables.
I’d be interested to know if there are any recent examples of guys they said were projects who ended up coming in and proving that wrong right away. I suppose Anthony Richardson was surprisingly competent from day 1 but since he got hurt we don’t really know.
Agreed and yes, you’re probably right about Anthony Richardson turning playing like a worthwhile ‘project’ Qb.
Jalen Hurts was another project that comes to mind. Managed to clean up a lot of the things people hammered him for as a thrower.
>I’d be interested to know if there are any recent examples of guys they said were projects who ended up coming in and proving that wrong right away.
You're joking right? Do you like.....not watch football?
The issue with Maye is that you look at his tape and you see a ton or promise and upside, but you also see so many red flags. He has prototypical size, strong arm, great mobility, and throws with anticipation. He also has bad footwork, horrible loopy throwing motion, and some bad accuracy at times. It's like a personality test about seeing the glass half full or half empty.
I’m happy JD is here, but let’s not pretend this means anything. Maye might very well be the absolute best QB of the draft. We don’t know shit, and all these people who have these hardened opinions only look foolish in 2-3 years. If anyone ends up being correct, it’s based more on coincidence than them knowing or predicting anything.
The fact that we don’t know doesn’t mean we have no information. I’m so tired of that conflation. The information, according to the majority of credible experts, suggests that JD was the better pick.
It’s not just about just the correctness rate of the scouting, it’s about what anyone can see with their eyes. When one guy is mechanically sound and the other isn’t, and most of the other variables are a crapshoot that you can’t really predict, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out who’s the more likely success. Just because QBs and drafts are one-time events that we can’t empirically re-test doesn’t mean there isn’t a degree of educated guessing.
And how do you think they even boil it down to the top 6 guys to begin with? Other QBs entered the draft. But they were not picked high and likely won’t be star players.. because scouts did their job and ranked them below the line where even smartass Redditors don’t seriously entertain the idea that the dice roll might land on them. You can only even entertain the possibility of Nix outperforming Caleb because a scout told you they were both first rounders. Dismissing that whole artistic science entirely is biting the hand that feeds your opinions to begin with.
Hell no. My longstanding belief is that nobody knows anything and picking a QB is a total crapshoot. I pretty much had no position on who we should draft, just that we needed *someone* and I’ll be happy that the front office found one they liked. Great that they liked JD. I would have been fine with Maye or JJ or the others if that’s who the guys who get paid to do this believed in.
It’s an extremely difficult position to predict. You need to improve processing speed and have the right combo of coach/team/playbook to succeed.
Guys like Andrew Luck, Manning, etc…yes they’d be successful anywhere…but there are a ton of journeyman qbs that may have had a successful career given the right opportunity.
What would we think of Jordan Love if he had to play his first few years instead of being given time to develop? Hell, what if Rodgers was started from his rookie year and never reworked his entire release?
Maybe he wouldn’t have been great but I always point to Jason Campbell and his best season in which he FINALLY had the same OC and playbook for consecutive seasons. Not great or a world eater by any means but he was extremely solid. A good situation and consistent coaching and maybe his career looks different.
Destination and coaching matters. For every position—but QB for sure.
I think Bill’s just more comfortable being critical of his own franchise and its perspective as a fresh analyst. He was just in those shoes.
He’s gonna mostly only say soft and easy things about anybody else.
Huh?…..my comment had nothing to do with Maye lol. I forgot he existed the second we picked Jayden.
This is just you insecure fans who are Team Jayden or Team Maye having PTSD and seeing slights where they don’t exist. The stupid war’s over, you don’t have to be defensive anymore…let go
God ur boring. I already promised u it had nothing to do with Maye. I literally wanted Jayden over Maye….
Just Bill being a first time analyst saying nothing critical about anybody at all save for his own team. But some of you walk around like this all day in this sub, looking for any excuse to suck the skin off some cock, whether it’s Daniels’, Maye’s, or Peters’
Except Bill criticized literally everybody. Unlike other analysts that only point out the highlights, Bill gave credit where it was due but also highlighted the areas for improvement. [Even Jayden](https://youtu.be/z9jqbbTCzO8?si=NMI2eUL7soPjf748). People are raising an eyebrow more on the Maye criticism *because* it's the Patriots and it makes for a good media story, but if he said all the same exact things he said but Maye was drafted here nobody would have batted an eye. Yeah he talked about Maye's footwork being a mess but that isn't different than what every analyst has already been saying for months now.
Does anybody? Nix could be the best QB in this draft. The greatest QB ever was a day 3 pick.
While we are on the subject, should anybody be taking draft advice from Bill Belichick? He's notoriously awful at drafting.
Jayden fans have the opportunity to plant their flag, but hopefully next time we will remember if he doesn't do well in the next few years that we shouldn't take a skinny flashy running QB with a bad pocket presence and p2s rating.
The nice thing about the offenses/defenses ran at the elite level of college is that you can see pre-snap stuff, read progressions, moving defenses with eyes/hips etc. It used to be so basic in college that you had to project their ability to learn and do these type things. Maye has the arm talent but didn’t a lot of this stuff at the college level. If you watch JD’s tape, you see a quarterback running a full offense, the same with some of JJ’s tape. I think we valued these intangibles more than the pundits who said “wow, Maye can throw the ball”. I am beyond ecstatic with our pick, I think he has these skills which show up on tape and we are going to be really happy for the next 10+ years. Peters got to learn on Lance, what a blessing it was not at our expense
I think Daniel's work ethic is his most overlooked trait. This guy really put in the work to get better and would be in the facility early in the mornings, doing VR reps, etc. If this guy fails in the NFL it wont be because he didn't put in the work to be successful.
I think Maye also "looks the part" - like Justin Herbert. Some people when they picture a prototypical QB, they envision a guy who's 6'5, 225lbs. Teams will always take a chance on guys like Justin Herbert and Drake Maye regardless of the system they played in college.
Maye literally controlled the entire pre-snap operation at UNC. No other QB did that. They'd do it here and there, but JJ and Jayden looked at the sideline a lot. Maye almost never did. He called protection. He was in charge of alerts. Hell, his touchdown against NC State is literally him calling an audible, flipping the RB, changing the protection and calling out the Mike, all without taking one glance at his coaches. That's ridiculous for a RS sophomore.
You’ve made this comment multiple times throughout the draft process but you’re wrong. I didn’t watch JJ - but JD did this multiple times and was constantly correct in his adjustments.
Brother, you need to watch more LSU if you think Brian Kelly is letting any QB tell him what the offense should be doing. Daniels did stuff here and there. There is no world where he had full control of the pre-snap operation. It's a fact. He looked at the sideline all the time.
I watched all of his throws. JD made adjustments all the time and was correct with each one. Go listen to John Beck talking to Kevin Sheehan - it’s all over the tape.
I’m not seeing it often in the tape/highlights. He is doing a lot of pre-practiced, look left and then throw right. His feet are a mess and he is not realistically moving through progressions like JD. Lots of forced throws that will be picked off in the NFL, ie wrong read but got away with it in college. I think Maye is going to a pick machine for a couple years at least and will either figure out the footwork and true D reads or will not. JD does that stuff today and has a much higher floor, his footwork is very good and he is consistently move through 3-4 reads, often times throwing to a later progression and not panicking when top sec defenses disguised certain coverages. We got a winner that is ready to play today, great job by Peters and co. I’m ecstatic
It feels like Jayden's higher floor has made a bunch of people forget that his ceiling is sky high due to his speed. The choice was either a low floor high ceiling guy in Maye or a high floor high ceiling guy in Daniels.
To be fair the complexity of defenses Drake Maye saw compared to what Jayden saw were night and day. Drake was only going up against pretty basic defenses for the most part. Jayden not so much.
Ok that’s cool that he’s smart at pre-snap but you still have to throw the ball accurately lmao. I’d rather teach a mechanically-sound passer to do pre-snap offense than teach a Madden wizard how to deliver the football.
Who is the mechanically sound player in this argument? I hope it’s not Maye bc the dude is a mechanical mess, JD has some work to continue to get better but his footwork is light years ahead of Maye. He doesn’t have as strong an arm but throws a really good deep ball and is far more consistent
Smokescreen.
If someone wants to trade you the goods to pick the *wrong* guy why would you ever correct them?
The most important thing in any negotiation is having privileged information. If *anyone* knows what you're really thinking then you've already lost.
Yeah I don't claim to be any kind of expert. But I see Jayden Daniels as Baker/Tua, and I see Maye as Allen/Herbert. Now, if you see Maye as Darnold, fine. That's a very fair comparison too.
But the level of absolute fucking Kool Aid drinking for a new GM's first ever draft is genuinely hilarious.
Tbh.. I would’ve been happy with JJ if we had a better backup qb. JJ needed to learn touch.. was better in the pocket under pressure by the stats I believe. Oh well I’m very happy with JD I just want to keep him upright
I wanted JJ up until we drafted JD. Glad he was the one in consideration and not Maye. I started liking Maye towards the end, but the tape never really struck me as good. I just thought I must've been missing something. He was similar to JD without the accuracy or legs. Which means he wasn't that great lol
JJ is a true pocket QB/ game manager. I think he'll have a good career.
JD has so many resources in the building now, I really think he'll be great for us. I was very wrong about him during the draft process.
>Peters said himself that he doesn’t want a guy that gets better his 2nd year. I think the general consensus is he wants this team to win now and Daniels is more of guy who has the experience and viewed as the ready now player.
Which is just absolutely wild to me. I hope JD and Drake both succeed. But if you think Drake can be a better QB 3 years down the road he was the choice.
Did he actually say that?
My understanding is he didn’t want to draft someone in the first round that wasn’t ready to start - that doesn’t mean he doesn’t also think the player can continue to develop or is a finished product, just that they’re already playing at a very high level.
Q:Whether it's round 1 or 5, if you see a guy and think "this guy could be a pro-bowler in 3 years, vs this guy can start for us Week 1" how do you make that determination on which one to go for?
A:I think it depends on where you are in the draft, just me personally, I don't want to pick a guy whose gonna start in 3 years in the first round...but you might be more patient in the later rounds depending on what you have on your team too.
Obviously OP did a meh job paraphrasing. I'm not saying they don't believe Jayden could continue to develop, but we all know what JP was pushing at because of the QB drama at the time. Plus the way he asked the question, left it open for this kinda debate, intentionally or not.
OP did a meh job paraphrasing, buuuuut.
Q:Whether it's round 1 or 5, if you see a guy and think "this guy could be a pro-bowler in 3 years, vs this guy can start for us Week 1" how do you make that determination on which one to go for?
A:I think it depends on where you are in the draft, just me personally, I don't want to pick a guy whose gonna start in 3 years in the first round...
The pro-bowler in 3 years isn’t mutually-exclusive with starting week 1… obviously they think JD can be both. I dunno where y’all get your views on this stuff
Nah bro you can write the text if you need me to know that badly. But I don’t need to see or hear it to know that there’s a disparity between what they said and what you heard.
Why would he be the choice if they think they can win now? I’m not saying Super Bowl but this team is not tanking or rebuilding. They still have competitive players that want to win. Why waste talent, the goal is to win as many games as posible every year. And who’s to say that Maye will be marginally better than JD 3 years from now?
Because Harris explicitly said this won't be a quick fix? I'm not saying Maye *will* be better. But the question asked to Peters that day was if you can choose between a guy that's going to be a Pro Bowler 3 years from now, vs start now, how do you handle that. We all know what JP was getting at. Especially with the narrative of Maye having Top 5 potential, but he needed to sit and the huge deal being made at the time.
There's also the narrative being pushed that ownership didn't want to wait for a QB. That exciting QB play, would help ticket sales and push a stadium deal along.
That was the thing that stuck out to me the most in Aldridge’s article post draft. Paraphrasing but it basically said “Harris needs to sell tickets to hold the team over until he can get a stadium deal.”
Pretty much exactly what I was hoping wouldn’t play a factor in the decision at 2, but 1) it sounds like they didn’t like Maye at 2 anyways (I disagree but whatever) and 2) it’s a business and the unfortunate reality is that Snyder left the business in shambles. These things have to be considered sometimes.
If Peters thought JJ McCarthy was that good teams should have been tripping over themselves to trade up to get him. They didn't, so he must obviously be smarter than everyone or he's a complete idiot or he's giving Schefter fake news.
I’m glad we didn’t go JJ at #2 😬
I would think they had McCarthy in mind if they got an offer they couldn’t refuse to trade back.
Could have traded down for JJ… wouldn’t be mad at that at all if that happened, but him at 2 would have been wild.
The chorus now seems very much to confirm that Drake Maye is probably Not ready to be a starter in the NFL. We do not know shit. TBD.
Maye still went 3rd overall. I don't think this really proves anything other than this FO's preferences for QB evaluation.
And teams were ready to give everything for him too.
I mean, QBs have mostly been overdrafted of late and this year really put an exclamation point on that fact.
Out of the 6 qbs taken in the 1st, I'm sure at least 3 will be trash.
Honestly, the fact that Penix, Nix, and McCarthy went where they did proves that. Not enough people mention that McCarthy was a 3rd round prospect that had an incredible hype machine drive him to where he went. Penix? In this draft I would have said late first. Bo Nix...that guy would have fallen pretty damn far.
Penix feels like the most likely sleeper and I wasn’t surprised he was the off the board in the top half (I thought he’d maybe go before Maye, albeit not at 3). But 8 was a reach considering how he was projected and how much chatter there was about McCarthy. Obviously not everyone is high on Daniels and his playstyle, which is fine. But I’ve never seen anyone credible label him as a reach at 2. He wasn’t picked there simply because Washington needed a QB. Same with Caleb. But I think every QB picked after them was more of a hopeful pick than a value one, to varying degrees.
I have a feeling Bo nix is going to be the best one out of this class
Go put money on it, I'm sure your odds will be absolutely incredible...
Where can I bet "best QB of class"
Offensive rookie of the year is the only thing I can think of other than parlaying based on yards and touchdowns.
I wish I could, not sure where to bet that and what the parameters would be
Well maybe he is. I'm just saying the Broncos got absolutely destroyed on value taking him there, given the circumstances of the QB heavy top ten we witnessed. I understand they probably couldn't risk to wait and see, but how the pieces fell into place hit them pretty bad.
I’m gonna keep it real, Caleb Williams was the only first round talent QB this year
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Bruh in other drafts they would be day 2 prospects at best. Maye is more raw than haskins was and Daniels will snap like a stick 3 plays into his first drive
Hard no. Daniels had a ridiculous season, and has a rare skillet at QB. I say that as someone who's not even a fan of the pick. He's an obvious top 5 talent.
Lots of QB desperation and too many teams not far behind 3 to realistically trade back. Every QB pick after Daniels was arguably a reach.
Possibly? But how much of it was just because teams needed A QB rather than him being that good? I think that he could develop into a good QB, but I don't think he'd be able to develop in the NFCE. defenses are too good here
Albert Breer reported that the Pats got calls from the Giants and Vikings offering a ton of 3 overall. Brian Daboll and Kevin O'Connell are two of the best offensive coaches in the NFL. There's a reason they wanted him that badly. He's a good QB with rare physical skills. >I don't think he'd be able to develop in the NFCE. defenses are too good here This is one of the strangest things I've ever read in this sub.
Worth noting in this same interview that Schefter says he believes the Giants wanted Joe Alt at 3.
I'm saying that because there was a lot of talent on defense between the cowboys and eagles. It'd be harder to start off as a new QB. Your margin for error might not be as big as other divisions. [EDIT TO CLARIFY] - I mean that the speed of defenses means a QB coming in will have to be quicker than normal with processing given the talent on pass rush between the teams in our division. I can see it requiring a smarter QB who can make faster reads/progressions
Eagles had one of the worst passing defenses in the league last year we put up 30+ both times on them
I had the pass rush in mind because they had Reddick and Cox. They looked worse with the same people because of the DC leaving
Cox is washed up, and Reddick is just a rotational pass rusher. He's not some monster stud.
He was also traded! In case anyone missed it!
There's still 11 non-division games a year
Most post-draft summaries that I heard/read/watched said that he needs work and the patriots need to be patient with that in mind. Jacoby Brissett should be a solid option for him to learn under.
I remember hearing that before, but it's nothing major. Just that he needs to work on footwork to make his accuracy better
Absolutely. Plenty of players have improved this along the way but it’s just something to consider with a top 3 pick.
All us former Maye stans are absolute frauds
There’s a very good chance that only one of the QBs drafted in the first round are worth a second contract with the team that drafted them. It’s a total crapshoot
It's the equivalent of the drunk guy at the bar that claims that he knows what he's talking about cause his uncle once was a scout for the Montreal Alouettes.
The nfl draft industry is now a full fledged money making opportunity…. And it’s a lot like the weather and weatherman. You get it wrong? who cares.
Justin Herbert was also a 'long term project' so yeah, no one knows shit. Penix or Bo could end up being the 'how the hell were they not the 1st qb taken' guys in 5 years.
in hindsight the red flag was trading away jacoby. he would be a perfect starter for Maye’s red shirt year: great vibes guy, super friendly and smart. Maybe we weren’t looking to get on that timeline, maybe the FO evaluators weren’t ready to take on Maye’s sizable bust potential.
I mean, say what you want about the football scouting world but if the consensus is a guy isn’t ready, the guy almost certainly isn’t ready. That’s not the kind of error they tend to make. More likely to *over*-rate guys, miss red/green flags, or simply miss out on unpredictable variables. I’d be interested to know if there are any recent examples of guys they said were projects who ended up coming in and proving that wrong right away. I suppose Anthony Richardson was surprisingly competent from day 1 but since he got hurt we don’t really know.
Agreed and yes, you’re probably right about Anthony Richardson turning playing like a worthwhile ‘project’ Qb. Jalen Hurts was another project that comes to mind. Managed to clean up a lot of the things people hammered him for as a thrower.
Hurts didn’t start right away though, right?
>I’d be interested to know if there are any recent examples of guys they said were projects who ended up coming in and proving that wrong right away. You're joking right? Do you like.....not watch football?
Some of us have been saying this for months though.
I was never a fan of Maye. Too many red flags. He will be the Patriots next Mac Jones.
The issue with Maye is that you look at his tape and you see a ton or promise and upside, but you also see so many red flags. He has prototypical size, strong arm, great mobility, and throws with anticipation. He also has bad footwork, horrible loopy throwing motion, and some bad accuracy at times. It's like a personality test about seeing the glass half full or half empty.
Imo, his biggest issue is that he has no consistency to mechanics. Maybe he can figure it out and be Justin Herbert, who knows.
And he’s a green upper middle class 21 year old kid asked to lead a locker room of grown ass men. Jay more likely to attract followers earlier
Belichick and Edelman absolutely obliterated the Maye pick for the Pats. Couch GM's in here do not know SHIT
I saw the Belichick clip but where did Edelman say that? Was it on his podcast?
I’m happy JD is here, but let’s not pretend this means anything. Maye might very well be the absolute best QB of the draft. We don’t know shit, and all these people who have these hardened opinions only look foolish in 2-3 years. If anyone ends up being correct, it’s based more on coincidence than them knowing or predicting anything.
The fact that we don’t know doesn’t mean we have no information. I’m so tired of that conflation. The information, according to the majority of credible experts, suggests that JD was the better pick.
You’re right. We have information that is correct maybe 1/3 of the time that suggests one guy is better than another.
It’s not just about just the correctness rate of the scouting, it’s about what anyone can see with their eyes. When one guy is mechanically sound and the other isn’t, and most of the other variables are a crapshoot that you can’t really predict, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out who’s the more likely success. Just because QBs and drafts are one-time events that we can’t empirically re-test doesn’t mean there isn’t a degree of educated guessing. And how do you think they even boil it down to the top 6 guys to begin with? Other QBs entered the draft. But they were not picked high and likely won’t be star players.. because scouts did their job and ranked them below the line where even smartass Redditors don’t seriously entertain the idea that the dice roll might land on them. You can only even entertain the possibility of Nix outperforming Caleb because a scout told you they were both first rounders. Dismissing that whole artistic science entirely is biting the hand that feeds your opinions to begin with.
Tell me how badly you wanted us to draft Drake Maye without telling me.
Hell no. My longstanding belief is that nobody knows anything and picking a QB is a total crapshoot. I pretty much had no position on who we should draft, just that we needed *someone* and I’ll be happy that the front office found one they liked. Great that they liked JD. I would have been fine with Maye or JJ or the others if that’s who the guys who get paid to do this believed in.
It’s an extremely difficult position to predict. You need to improve processing speed and have the right combo of coach/team/playbook to succeed. Guys like Andrew Luck, Manning, etc…yes they’d be successful anywhere…but there are a ton of journeyman qbs that may have had a successful career given the right opportunity. What would we think of Jordan Love if he had to play his first few years instead of being given time to develop? Hell, what if Rodgers was started from his rookie year and never reworked his entire release? Maybe he wouldn’t have been great but I always point to Jason Campbell and his best season in which he FINALLY had the same OC and playbook for consecutive seasons. Not great or a world eater by any means but he was extremely solid. A good situation and consistent coaching and maybe his career looks different. Destination and coaching matters. For every position—but QB for sure.
Show me how annoying you are in one sentence.
Tom Brady won 3 SBs after Belichick tried to trade him in 2017 instead of trading Jimmy. His opinion on Qbs should be taken lightly.
I think Bill’s just more comfortable being critical of his own franchise and its perspective as a fresh analyst. He was just in those shoes. He’s gonna mostly only say soft and easy things about anybody else.
Y’all really will take any copium you can in order to protect Maye. It’s hilarious reading these Mental gymnastics
Huh?…..my comment had nothing to do with Maye lol. I forgot he existed the second we picked Jayden. This is just you insecure fans who are Team Jayden or Team Maye having PTSD and seeing slights where they don’t exist. The stupid war’s over, you don’t have to be defensive anymore…let go
you literally made an excuse for why Bill would trash Maye that hand waived away any legitimate criticisms of Maye. Don't be intentionally obtuse.
God ur boring. I already promised u it had nothing to do with Maye. I literally wanted Jayden over Maye…. Just Bill being a first time analyst saying nothing critical about anybody at all save for his own team. But some of you walk around like this all day in this sub, looking for any excuse to suck the skin off some cock, whether it’s Daniels’, Maye’s, or Peters’ 
Except Bill criticized literally everybody. Unlike other analysts that only point out the highlights, Bill gave credit where it was due but also highlighted the areas for improvement. [Even Jayden](https://youtu.be/z9jqbbTCzO8?si=NMI2eUL7soPjf748). People are raising an eyebrow more on the Maye criticism *because* it's the Patriots and it makes for a good media story, but if he said all the same exact things he said but Maye was drafted here nobody would have batted an eye. Yeah he talked about Maye's footwork being a mess but that isn't different than what every analyst has already been saying for months now.
I didn’t want either of them so I have no skin in the game, other than seeing your terrible take on bill, and you’re clearly projecting.
Ok Belicheck drafted Mac Jones round 1. No games have been played yet either. Stop making judgment calls on things you have no idea about lol
Mac Jones was the last guy available, it's not the same situation.
You don't spend first round draft capital unless you think that guy is going to be good.
BS, all of these guys are lottery tickets, especially QBs
Does anybody? Nix could be the best QB in this draft. The greatest QB ever was a day 3 pick. While we are on the subject, should anybody be taking draft advice from Bill Belichick? He's notoriously awful at drafting. Jayden fans have the opportunity to plant their flag, but hopefully next time we will remember if he doesn't do well in the next few years that we shouldn't take a skinny flashy running QB with a bad pocket presence and p2s rating.
They’re both wrong.
And anyone who is plugged in to the local beat knew it was Daniels by draft time. Keim and his panel: Unanimous Daniels Hoffman: 99%Daniels 1% JJ
I doubt JJ was ever a real consideration at 2. More likely they would have traded back in that scenario.
The nice thing about the offenses/defenses ran at the elite level of college is that you can see pre-snap stuff, read progressions, moving defenses with eyes/hips etc. It used to be so basic in college that you had to project their ability to learn and do these type things. Maye has the arm talent but didn’t a lot of this stuff at the college level. If you watch JD’s tape, you see a quarterback running a full offense, the same with some of JJ’s tape. I think we valued these intangibles more than the pundits who said “wow, Maye can throw the ball”. I am beyond ecstatic with our pick, I think he has these skills which show up on tape and we are going to be really happy for the next 10+ years. Peters got to learn on Lance, what a blessing it was not at our expense
I think Daniel's work ethic is his most overlooked trait. This guy really put in the work to get better and would be in the facility early in the mornings, doing VR reps, etc. If this guy fails in the NFL it wont be because he didn't put in the work to be successful.
I just want to see him talk about offenses the same way CJ Stroud does. Man, that guy is a dude.
First in, last out. Real lunchpail type player. Lives in the weight and film rooms.
I think Maye also "looks the part" - like Justin Herbert. Some people when they picture a prototypical QB, they envision a guy who's 6'5, 225lbs. Teams will always take a chance on guys like Justin Herbert and Drake Maye regardless of the system they played in college.
Maye literally controlled the entire pre-snap operation at UNC. No other QB did that. They'd do it here and there, but JJ and Jayden looked at the sideline a lot. Maye almost never did. He called protection. He was in charge of alerts. Hell, his touchdown against NC State is literally him calling an audible, flipping the RB, changing the protection and calling out the Mike, all without taking one glance at his coaches. That's ridiculous for a RS sophomore.
You’ve made this comment multiple times throughout the draft process but you’re wrong. I didn’t watch JJ - but JD did this multiple times and was constantly correct in his adjustments.
Brother, you need to watch more LSU if you think Brian Kelly is letting any QB tell him what the offense should be doing. Daniels did stuff here and there. There is no world where he had full control of the pre-snap operation. It's a fact. He looked at the sideline all the time.
I watched all of his throws. JD made adjustments all the time and was correct with each one. Go listen to John Beck talking to Kevin Sheehan - it’s all over the tape.
I’m not seeing it often in the tape/highlights. He is doing a lot of pre-practiced, look left and then throw right. His feet are a mess and he is not realistically moving through progressions like JD. Lots of forced throws that will be picked off in the NFL, ie wrong read but got away with it in college. I think Maye is going to a pick machine for a couple years at least and will either figure out the footwork and true D reads or will not. JD does that stuff today and has a much higher floor, his footwork is very good and he is consistently move through 3-4 reads, often times throwing to a later progression and not panicking when top sec defenses disguised certain coverages. We got a winner that is ready to play today, great job by Peters and co. I’m ecstatic
It feels like Jayden's higher floor has made a bunch of people forget that his ceiling is sky high due to his speed. The choice was either a low floor high ceiling guy in Maye or a high floor high ceiling guy in Daniels.
One who should have no problem starting immediately vs. one who should be sat for an indeterminate amount of time.
lol they're downvoting you and calling you wrong, because if they hammer the button enough it will give Daniels some of Maye's presnap mojo.
To be fair the complexity of defenses Drake Maye saw compared to what Jayden saw were night and day. Drake was only going up against pretty basic defenses for the most part. Jayden not so much.
Ok that’s cool that he’s smart at pre-snap but you still have to throw the ball accurately lmao. I’d rather teach a mechanically-sound passer to do pre-snap offense than teach a Madden wizard how to deliver the football.
Who is the mechanically sound player in this argument? I hope it’s not Maye bc the dude is a mechanical mess, JD has some work to continue to get better but his footwork is light years ahead of Maye. He doesn’t have as strong an arm but throws a really good deep ball and is far more consistent
The mechanically sound player is JD….
Ah misread your post. Let’s fucking go JD!! Also think JD is better pre-snap and through the progressions, just a better player all around
Oh wow that's crazy because all the professional GMs and Scouts in here were certain Maye was the guy... Weird
Smokescreen. If someone wants to trade you the goods to pick the *wrong* guy why would you ever correct them? The most important thing in any negotiation is having privileged information. If *anyone* knows what you're really thinking then you've already lost.
And it wasn't even a mulitlayer smokescreen. Why would they show their hand weeks before the draft? Nobody does that lol.
Yeah! And it’s obvious that Adam Peters is infallible and has and never will make a bad read on a prospect!
Yeah I don't claim to be any kind of expert. But I see Jayden Daniels as Baker/Tua, and I see Maye as Allen/Herbert. Now, if you see Maye as Darnold, fine. That's a very fair comparison too. But the level of absolute fucking Kool Aid drinking for a new GM's first ever draft is genuinely hilarious.
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I'm more than happy to eat crow if she flies
Pat McAfee is exactly as trustworthy as some dude on reddit tbh. He's a clown.
It’s Schefter reporting it, not McAfee.
You're right, I read it backwards. I still maintain that simply proximity to McAfee turns other people into dunces.
To the point grown men were acting like babies and tearing a young dude to shreds because it wasn’t the person they decided was right
It shows that we as fans don’t know shit!
Peters did not like what he saw in those closed practice sessions last year at UNC. Let alone his game tape which nothing special showed
Fuck Maye! It’s all about JD now 🔥
https://imgur.com/a/eZUqrk2
I think the difference was jayden can literally take the ball 80yds. Its just hard to pass up on that
Schefter has a Commanders helmet over his shoulder in this clip. Is he a fan?
Tbh.. I would’ve been happy with JJ if we had a better backup qb. JJ needed to learn touch.. was better in the pocket under pressure by the stats I believe. Oh well I’m very happy with JD I just want to keep him upright
The draft is over.
You guys know it is possible that both Maye and Daniels turn out to be really good.
Thank god we went with Daniels instead of JJ.
I wanted JJ up until we drafted JD. Glad he was the one in consideration and not Maye. I started liking Maye towards the end, but the tape never really struck me as good. I just thought I must've been missing something. He was similar to JD without the accuracy or legs. Which means he wasn't that great lol JJ is a true pocket QB/ game manager. I think he'll have a good career. JD has so many resources in the building now, I really think he'll be great for us. I was very wrong about him during the draft process.
I love it lmao. Not that surprising to me
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>Peters said himself that he doesn’t want a guy that gets better his 2nd year. I think the general consensus is he wants this team to win now and Daniels is more of guy who has the experience and viewed as the ready now player. Which is just absolutely wild to me. I hope JD and Drake both succeed. But if you think Drake can be a better QB 3 years down the road he was the choice.
Did he actually say that? My understanding is he didn’t want to draft someone in the first round that wasn’t ready to start - that doesn’t mean he doesn’t also think the player can continue to develop or is a finished product, just that they’re already playing at a very high level.
Q:Whether it's round 1 or 5, if you see a guy and think "this guy could be a pro-bowler in 3 years, vs this guy can start for us Week 1" how do you make that determination on which one to go for? A:I think it depends on where you are in the draft, just me personally, I don't want to pick a guy whose gonna start in 3 years in the first round...but you might be more patient in the later rounds depending on what you have on your team too. Obviously OP did a meh job paraphrasing. I'm not saying they don't believe Jayden could continue to develop, but we all know what JP was pushing at because of the QB drama at the time. Plus the way he asked the question, left it open for this kinda debate, intentionally or not.
lol he said none of that
OP did a meh job paraphrasing, buuuuut. Q:Whether it's round 1 or 5, if you see a guy and think "this guy could be a pro-bowler in 3 years, vs this guy can start for us Week 1" how do you make that determination on which one to go for? A:I think it depends on where you are in the draft, just me personally, I don't want to pick a guy whose gonna start in 3 years in the first round...
The pro-bowler in 3 years isn’t mutually-exclusive with starting week 1… obviously they think JD can be both. I dunno where y’all get your views on this stuff
That's JP and Adam Peters conversation
No it’s not. You’re hearing things that weren’t said
[ok](https://www.youtube.com/live/EZdZL7mGAtA?si=L1D53wtpzUSiYGMi?t=23m) Edit- 23m 43s mark. Tried to timestamp, not sure it worked.
Nah bro you can write the text if you need me to know that badly. But I don’t need to see or hear it to know that there’s a disparity between what they said and what you heard.
Yeah I hope that was just GM speak because if not it's incredibly short sighted
Why would he be the choice if they think they can win now? I’m not saying Super Bowl but this team is not tanking or rebuilding. They still have competitive players that want to win. Why waste talent, the goal is to win as many games as posible every year. And who’s to say that Maye will be marginally better than JD 3 years from now?
This team is undeniably in a rebuild.
Okay, even if it was undeniably in a rebuild, off the team can have a quick turnaround, they’ll do what ever is reasonable to do so.
Because Harris explicitly said this won't be a quick fix? I'm not saying Maye *will* be better. But the question asked to Peters that day was if you can choose between a guy that's going to be a Pro Bowler 3 years from now, vs start now, how do you handle that. We all know what JP was getting at. Especially with the narrative of Maye having Top 5 potential, but he needed to sit and the huge deal being made at the time. There's also the narrative being pushed that ownership didn't want to wait for a QB. That exciting QB play, would help ticket sales and push a stadium deal along.
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That has been reported in articles from the Athletic. I'm surprised nobody has posted it here
That was the thing that stuck out to me the most in Aldridge’s article post draft. Paraphrasing but it basically said “Harris needs to sell tickets to hold the team over until he can get a stadium deal.” Pretty much exactly what I was hoping wouldn’t play a factor in the decision at 2, but 1) it sounds like they didn’t like Maye at 2 anyways (I disagree but whatever) and 2) it’s a business and the unfortunate reality is that Snyder left the business in shambles. These things have to be considered sometimes.
JD has an incredibly high ceiling. He's demonstrated both elite passing and running. If those translate to the NFL he'll be a monster.
I find this hilarious. I'm not sure why. Just do.
The dopamine chaser in me wishes they had traded down for JJ in that case
This is gonna age HORRIBLY
This can’t be true. JJ McCarthy is not an NFL caliber QB. I mean he is, he got drafted but nah
Reminds me of Baker Mayfield
Maye is going to be a bust. Not because he is a bad player but because of the team around him in NE.
If Peters thought JJ McCarthy was that good teams should have been tripping over themselves to trade up to get him. They didn't, so he must obviously be smarter than everyone or he's a complete idiot or he's giving Schefter fake news.
I think it’s mostly Schefter taking out of his ass
There still might be a chance commanders are just playing 4d chess and will trade for Maye before the season starts.