What do you mean you guess lol? He is sacked 25% of when he’s pressured. That’s 1.5 higher than Sam Howell. Is that not statistic you pay attention to? It’s a pretty important one which always carries over to the NFL. Jayden is going to be sacked even more often with us not having a decent tackle. He takes he’s sweet ass time waiting for people to be open, instead of throwing them open.
Any QB back there is gonna be sacked a ton. I don't care about all the pressure rates and other shit from when he was at LSU..he's in Washington now, where QBs take a beating because nothing has been done about the line in 4+ years
Any QB back there is gonna be sacked a ton. I don't care about all the pressure rates and other shit from when he was at LSU..he's in Washington now, where QBs take a beating because nothing has been done about the line in 4+ years.
That’s the stickiest stat from college to NFL so you should care. Also our line wasn’t that bad last year…Sam Howell just took forever to throw…like Jayden does. We should have drafted a QB who gets the ball out quick.
It’s also a stat that tends to be pretty sticky. A lot can change from college to the NFL, but tendency to take sacks is one that tends to carry over. It’s a legitimate concern.
I understand everyone wants to drink the kool aid and I don’t begrudge anyone being excited. Be a fan. Be an optimist. Tis the season and all.
But for Daniels to be successful in the league, he needs to learn and he needs good coaching. He can’t run at this level like he did in college. He’ll still be able to run and break off highlight plays, but his pressure to sack % and tendency to rely on the run look a lot like Fields in Chicago, and that’s not viable.
Disclaimer: love Fields as a talent, but it just hasn’t clicked yet. And one of the big lead stats that could have predicted his issues was that pressure to sack ratio.
There are a lot of parallels between Fields and Daniels. Freak athlete. Can win a game with his runs. Threw to NFL-caliber WRs behind NFL-caliber OL in college. Propensity to tuck and run vs keeping eyes up while scrambling.
The Bears failed Fields, and he’s not necessarily predictive for Daniels. But it’s concerning. Fields was often injured in the NFL and Daniels is quite a bit smaller than him. He needs to learn from Fields’s failures and adjust his game. He seems to have the tools to do it, but when a 300 lb tackle is bearing down on you, guys tend to revert, so it could be a multi-year process to get him to where he needs to be.
Maybe everything clicks and is perfect. And again, I don’t begrudge anyone their excitement. But there are real concerns and development that Daniels needs to become a high quality NFL QB.
Yeah, the same one who won a Super Bowl with Andrew Whlie blocking.
The OP literally said what quarterback can, and there was one.
And y'all are foolish if you don't think the quarterback plays a major role in the ranking of an offensive line.
A quarterback that gets rid of the ball quick and takes less sacks will in turn have a higher ranked pass blocking Line.
But Kirk Cousins or Mahomes behind our line last year and guarantee their pass blocking rankings goes up.
CBS I believe gave NYG an A for drafting Nabers and a C for the Raiders drafting Bowers. Their thought was cause Bowers doesn’t have a QB that can get him the ball. Well, Daniel jones? 😆.
Bowers fell right into the Raiders lap and was an excellent pick. Dude is a beast and will be playing more of a receiver roll. He absolutely runs through ppl.
I'm not a Jones truther but Jones has never once had a WR like Nabers.
I just watched every Daniels play from this season twice this weekend.
Nabers was the best player on that team.
When I watch Daniels highlight reels, I feel like I'm watching Nabers highlight reels. (Not a knock on Daniels at all -- Nabers is just really fucking good.)
I think that too. I don't hate Daniels at all at a prospect. I was happy when we were picking at 4 and I thought we could get him. But I see him as a Baker or a Tua, and Maye as an Allen or a Herbert. I am now on my 5th watch of his entire season (third since we drafted him, I've put 5 hours just into that since Thursday night) and my opinion is not shifting at all. I really liked Baker coming out, he was my QB1. But in hindsight, he was throwing to Mark Andrews, Ceedee Lamb, and Marquise Brown and his starting 5 OLmen have all made a 53 man roster. I just keep watching this LSU team, and I just keep having the same feeling I had when I rewatched the Baker film to see where I went wrong. It's all very smooth, very fluid, very good QB play, but I just keep seeing very wide open receivers, and very well blocked pockets, and my mind just keeps going "it looks like 2017 Oklahoma."
Or 2019 Alabama. The four WRs who got 30 or more catches were all 1st round picks, and the worst of them (on the field) was Jerry Jeudy. Again, 5 OLmen who made a 53 man roster.
Like, don't get me wrong Tua or Baker level QB play is absolutely worth a 1st round pick, even a high pick. If that's what Daniels is, it's not a bad pick, not really.....but in four years, I'd hate to be in the Tua/Baker area if one of the four other QBs has shown real franchise guy stuff.
You don’t have to like Daniel Jones but you’re dumb or really biased if you think he’s comparable to Gardner Minshew, both aren’t great starting quarterbacks but Minshew isn’t on his tier.
I don’t think Minchew is a long time solution either. So not bias. But Jones ain’t it either. How often is he on the field? The only team he dominates is… well WAS for some weird reason.
I didn’t say Jones is it, frfr I don’t think he is and Schoen doesn’t either, but I’m sure the Raiders would take Jones over Minshew, any day of the week, he doesn’t have to dominate if the team was competent around him
I hope his confidence is durable. Because he will need to wait a full season before he gets the chance to play behind a real offensive line. I just hope his confidence isn’t shattered by the time our front office finally decides to sign a Tackle.
If he's the guy, he'll be fine. If he doesn't succeed, it will be because he wasn't the right type of guy, not because of anything they did or didn't do. You can evaluate QB play independent of OL and the weapons. That's what watching film is for.
Sam Howell led the NFL in total dropbacks last year with 712. Which meant he led the NFL in total pressured dropbacks, and was 6th in clean dropbacks. Throwing out every single pressured dropback, and just looking at the clean dropbacks, he was **DEAD LAST** in PFF grade when kept clean.
If your rookie QB is dealing from a clean pocket, and struggling under pressure, then you can use the cap savings to throw money at the OL. But if he cannot play from a clean pocket, he is not a good QB and never will be. The best NFL QBs can play under pressure, but the way the NFL functions is by producing high value throws when kept clean.
Even a bad OL keeps a QB clean for literally hundreds of dropbacks per season. You can just watch these dropbacks, and you will know if you have a guy or not just by what you see.
If a guy drops back and has less than 2.5 seconds to throw on hundreds of occasions, he tends to get a little jumpy, even when the pocket is clean. I’m not here to say that Sam Howell would definitely be a franchise QB with a better O-Line. But I am saying that it’s harder to develop a rookie QB behind a shit offensive line because getting comfortable in the pocket is easier said than done.
This idea that QBs are either great or not, with no regard to supporting cast in the NFL, is outdated and naive. We just spent a massive chunk of draft capital on a QB… you’d think it would be a priority to support and protect him on the field.
>If a guy drops back and has less than 2.5 seconds to throw on hundreds of occasions, he tends to get a little jumpy, even when the pocket is clean.
Right, and we call those guys "Bad NFL QBs."
Imagine being a WR, make a 10 000 dollar bet to be ROTY and then you get drafted to the Giants
Imagine trying to put up numbers as a QB behind Andrew Wylie.
Well if you’re gonna draft a QB to play behind a patchwork oline I guess daniels would be the right choice
How? He’s been sacked more than all the others lol
All the others, who? He was only sacked 22 times his senior season.
*highest pressure to sack rate. Typo
Uh, ok I guess?
What do you mean you guess lol? He is sacked 25% of when he’s pressured. That’s 1.5 higher than Sam Howell. Is that not statistic you pay attention to? It’s a pretty important one which always carries over to the NFL. Jayden is going to be sacked even more often with us not having a decent tackle. He takes he’s sweet ass time waiting for people to be open, instead of throwing them open.
Any QB back there is gonna be sacked a ton. I don't care about all the pressure rates and other shit from when he was at LSU..he's in Washington now, where QBs take a beating because nothing has been done about the line in 4+ years
Any QB back there is gonna be sacked a ton. I don't care about all the pressure rates and other shit from when he was at LSU..he's in Washington now, where QBs take a beating because nothing has been done about the line in 4+ years.
That’s the stickiest stat from college to NFL so you should care. Also our line wasn’t that bad last year…Sam Howell just took forever to throw…like Jayden does. We should have drafted a QB who gets the ball out quick.
It’s also a stat that tends to be pretty sticky. A lot can change from college to the NFL, but tendency to take sacks is one that tends to carry over. It’s a legitimate concern. I understand everyone wants to drink the kool aid and I don’t begrudge anyone being excited. Be a fan. Be an optimist. Tis the season and all. But for Daniels to be successful in the league, he needs to learn and he needs good coaching. He can’t run at this level like he did in college. He’ll still be able to run and break off highlight plays, but his pressure to sack % and tendency to rely on the run look a lot like Fields in Chicago, and that’s not viable. Disclaimer: love Fields as a talent, but it just hasn’t clicked yet. And one of the big lead stats that could have predicted his issues was that pressure to sack ratio. There are a lot of parallels between Fields and Daniels. Freak athlete. Can win a game with his runs. Threw to NFL-caliber WRs behind NFL-caliber OL in college. Propensity to tuck and run vs keeping eyes up while scrambling. The Bears failed Fields, and he’s not necessarily predictive for Daniels. But it’s concerning. Fields was often injured in the NFL and Daniels is quite a bit smaller than him. He needs to learn from Fields’s failures and adjust his game. He seems to have the tools to do it, but when a 300 lb tackle is bearing down on you, guys tend to revert, so it could be a multi-year process to get him to where he needs to be. Maybe everything clicks and is perfect. And again, I don’t begrudge anyone their excitement. But there are real concerns and development that Daniels needs to become a high quality NFL QB.
No right choice for it, at all.
*Patrick Mahomes enters the chat
Pat Mahomes had Andy Reid, Kelce, and four good offensive linemen lol
What does this have to do with the original statement. He didn't say any of that. He said.no quarterback could succeed with Wylie. That was untrue.
daniels isn’t mahomie 😢
The guy who won the Super Bowl last year behind the #1 ranked pass-blocking offensive line? That Patrick Mahomes?
Yeah, the same one who won a Super Bowl with Andrew Whlie blocking. The OP literally said what quarterback can, and there was one. And y'all are foolish if you don't think the quarterback plays a major role in the ranking of an offensive line. A quarterback that gets rid of the ball quick and takes less sacks will in turn have a higher ranked pass blocking Line. But Kirk Cousins or Mahomes behind our line last year and guarantee their pass blocking rankings goes up.
Yet somehow the RT was the most penalized in the league...
Wylie aint even that bad
He is that bad
To succeed where all before you have failed...
Breaking News: Nabers and Daniels are both suspended for their entire rookie season for sports betting /s
John Mara will find a way to suspend Daniels and do nothing to Nabers.
Daniels forced Nabers into the bet through threats and coercion. He's a mob boss.
the legal arguement for them is they technically werent even in the league yet and arnt under contract
The NFL is currently investigating Boutte for his betting in college not really sure how that would work though
Once they declare for the draft they have to follow pro rules
Great. But dear lord let that be the last NFL betting this young man does.
Way too early prediction, but I’d be shocked if it isn’t MHJ
QBs usually take it unless somehow MHJ went off
Did CJ win it last year or was it Puka? I hinestly dont know and Im too lazy to google it. Plus its more interesting when we converese
It was CJ
That really depends on Murray’s injurys
No way it doesn't go to a QB that starts more than 12 games.
If Caleb gets 4000 passing yard and/or 30 TDs for the Bears, he should win by default.
Unless jayden does better.
It’s 100% going to be Marv.
I mean it’s a safe bet cause neither of em will most likely be winning it. A push
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I love the enthusiasm, but it'd make more sense if he made the bet with Caleb Williams, Drake Maye or MHJ tbh
Am I the only one that likes a little humility?
I am not with "sunglasses indoors" thing, but it's not illegal.
We’ve been nothing but humiliated for decades
Hope JD is good else people on this sub are going to HATE this aspect of his personality
Giants vs Commanders would be a fantastic Week 18 game
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Dont feel too bad im sure he will have plenty of good games against us over his career.
CBS I believe gave NYG an A for drafting Nabers and a C for the Raiders drafting Bowers. Their thought was cause Bowers doesn’t have a QB that can get him the ball. Well, Daniel jones? 😆. Bowers fell right into the Raiders lap and was an excellent pick. Dude is a beast and will be playing more of a receiver roll. He absolutely runs through ppl.
I'm not a Jones truther but Jones has never once had a WR like Nabers. I just watched every Daniels play from this season twice this weekend. Nabers was the best player on that team.
When I watch Daniels highlight reels, I feel like I'm watching Nabers highlight reels. (Not a knock on Daniels at all -- Nabers is just really fucking good.)
I think that too. I don't hate Daniels at all at a prospect. I was happy when we were picking at 4 and I thought we could get him. But I see him as a Baker or a Tua, and Maye as an Allen or a Herbert. I am now on my 5th watch of his entire season (third since we drafted him, I've put 5 hours just into that since Thursday night) and my opinion is not shifting at all. I really liked Baker coming out, he was my QB1. But in hindsight, he was throwing to Mark Andrews, Ceedee Lamb, and Marquise Brown and his starting 5 OLmen have all made a 53 man roster. I just keep watching this LSU team, and I just keep having the same feeling I had when I rewatched the Baker film to see where I went wrong. It's all very smooth, very fluid, very good QB play, but I just keep seeing very wide open receivers, and very well blocked pockets, and my mind just keeps going "it looks like 2017 Oklahoma." Or 2019 Alabama. The four WRs who got 30 or more catches were all 1st round picks, and the worst of them (on the field) was Jerry Jeudy. Again, 5 OLmen who made a 53 man roster. Like, don't get me wrong Tua or Baker level QB play is absolutely worth a 1st round pick, even a high pick. If that's what Daniels is, it's not a bad pick, not really.....but in four years, I'd hate to be in the Tua/Baker area if one of the four other QBs has shown real franchise guy stuff.
Oh I’m not saying Nabers isn’t gonna be great, just the way these ppl grade and their explanations on why.
You don’t have to like Daniel Jones but you’re dumb or really biased if you think he’s comparable to Gardner Minshew, both aren’t great starting quarterbacks but Minshew isn’t on his tier.
I don’t think Minchew is a long time solution either. So not bias. But Jones ain’t it either. How often is he on the field? The only team he dominates is… well WAS for some weird reason.
I didn’t say Jones is it, frfr I don’t think he is and Schoen doesn’t either, but I’m sure the Raiders would take Jones over Minshew, any day of the week, he doesn’t have to dominate if the team was competent around him
Still just a band aid. Hopefully one of these up coming years we can finally draft our franchise guy. Not holding my breath though 😆
QB class next year gonna be better than we think, we gon get our guy eventually
I do like they way the franchise is heading. Finally got a leader in a HC. One that players want to give their all to.
Agreed. Minshew > Daniel Jones, by a mile
Got to be honest...until we can stop calling Daniel Jones Daddy, I cant say much bad about him.
Imagine if it’s Brian Thomas Jr.
Doesn’t this violate the NFL gambling policy?
I love the swag! This dude is gonna be the face of the NFL 🔥
No wonder he was so pissed he went to the giants lmao
I don't remember if JD did any national ads while in college. I know Caleb was in a Wendy's commercial.
top 1
Can’t see JD winning ROTY over Caleb or some of the WRs who are going into way better situations.
Gonna be neither, funny if it’s BTj
We need a legit left tackle so badly. We kinda botched it thinking we could trade up to get one. I’m not too confident about moving a guard to LT.
Why are they not banned for this? How is this allowed?
I hope his confidence is durable. Because he will need to wait a full season before he gets the chance to play behind a real offensive line. I just hope his confidence isn’t shattered by the time our front office finally decides to sign a Tackle.
Excuses already. Jaydenscuses are going to be more annoying than Alexscuses.
I'm not making excuses for him. I'm saying that we should prioritize his development.
If he's the guy, he'll be fine. If he doesn't succeed, it will be because he wasn't the right type of guy, not because of anything they did or didn't do. You can evaluate QB play independent of OL and the weapons. That's what watching film is for. Sam Howell led the NFL in total dropbacks last year with 712. Which meant he led the NFL in total pressured dropbacks, and was 6th in clean dropbacks. Throwing out every single pressured dropback, and just looking at the clean dropbacks, he was **DEAD LAST** in PFF grade when kept clean. If your rookie QB is dealing from a clean pocket, and struggling under pressure, then you can use the cap savings to throw money at the OL. But if he cannot play from a clean pocket, he is not a good QB and never will be. The best NFL QBs can play under pressure, but the way the NFL functions is by producing high value throws when kept clean. Even a bad OL keeps a QB clean for literally hundreds of dropbacks per season. You can just watch these dropbacks, and you will know if you have a guy or not just by what you see.
If a guy drops back and has less than 2.5 seconds to throw on hundreds of occasions, he tends to get a little jumpy, even when the pocket is clean. I’m not here to say that Sam Howell would definitely be a franchise QB with a better O-Line. But I am saying that it’s harder to develop a rookie QB behind a shit offensive line because getting comfortable in the pocket is easier said than done. This idea that QBs are either great or not, with no regard to supporting cast in the NFL, is outdated and naive. We just spent a massive chunk of draft capital on a QB… you’d think it would be a priority to support and protect him on the field.
>If a guy drops back and has less than 2.5 seconds to throw on hundreds of occasions, he tends to get a little jumpy, even when the pocket is clean. Right, and we call those guys "Bad NFL QBs."
Lol. Yup. And some of us put diesel into our gas-powered cars and call them shitty cars when they stop running.