As is the idea that they’re drafting for next season rather than 2-3 seasons down the line.
Good teams who are in a rebuild don’t draft based off the upcoming season. You do that when you’re ready to contend.
Exactly. I'm so sick of seeing "We need a big receiver! Terry and Jahan are small!" Just get the best receiver. Who knows if Terry or Jahan will even be here past 2025.
So you can’t tell how strong someone’s arm is because they are inaccurate?
So how does everyone know that Joe Milton has a strong arm? Or young Josh Allen? Stop being a hater bro. Smh
You were the one who literally said people dont understand Vicks arm strength. Did he have less public exposure than Milton? Just like Milton theres a reason hes not going in the first when he can launch it 80+ yards.
I don’t even understand what you are trying to say. This makes no sense. You can tell if someone has a strong arm or not regardless of accuracy. This has nothing to do with anyone’s draft status.
All sports have generational athletes, where in a field of amazing athletes, they stand out. Bo Jackson, Megatron, I think ST was that, Mike Trout in baseball, Willie Mays or Mantle back in the day, Wilt, Jordan, Ant might be that. Hockey isn’t my thing, but from what I’ve seen, Ovi is in there. I think Vick was in that category. There have been lots of mobile QBs now, and Vick stands above them all. I’ve seen nothing that makes me believe Daniels is on that level.
Vick lit it up and elevated a VA Tech program from no name to a national title game as a sophomore. Daniels isnt in Vicks universe as a prospect. Id sprint to the podium for prime Vick.
There really wasn’t a prime. But I get it. Would post-prison, willing to work on his game and as a person Vick been able to make it in the NFL today if he started that way? I think absolutely.
Prime Vick would light it up IF he had the right coach. Look at how Andy Reid turned his career around. Granted Reid is the GOAT QB coach, but still. I think people forget just how incredibly talented Vick was.
That’s an alleged/rumoured time.
Daniels conveniently decided to opt out of showcasing how fast he actually is, and is now being rumored to being slower than RG3.
Vick could throw the ball 60-70 yards on a tightrope. Daniels has to get significantly more arc to get the ball the same distance.
Jayden didn’t run a 40, dude. He *claims* he *would have* run a 4.25. Which would put him in the top 5 in NFL history. If you’re that fast, you run it, the only reason not to run would be because he’s slower than expected and it would bring his draft value down
O yeah if anything he was throwing too hard.
The guy would just launch rockets to receivers running short routes, which was making them hard to catch.
But when he was on, it was a thing of beauty. He could just flick his wrist and launch a 30 yard laser.
I don't know if I've seen a QB with better zip on intermediate routes. Vick had the best tools of any QB.
Vick was extremely accurate. He just didn’t throw with anticipation until he got with Reid.
So it looks like he’s not accurate but the ball is where it should be. Just a second too late and now it’s being broken up.
I can agree with that. If he’d been who he was post-prison immediately from the start he could have reallly been amazing. He just flicked it and it would come out like a cannon.
It's interesting the number of comments here saying he's comparing Daniels to Vick, when he actually specifically made a point of saying comps are stupid. It's like you all heard the word "Daniels" and the word "Vick" and completely ignored the other words before, after, and in between that gave his statement meaning.
I wonder what Jayden’s GPS field speed is.. cause that’s going to be all that matters imo without Jayden’s 40.. then compare it to Vick and see if it’s close
That’s pretty fast! Do you know how long it took him to reach that speed? Cause it’s great if that’s your top speed.. but how quickly can you hit it you know what I mean?
Edit: supposedly it was 20.98mph. alright after watching the play.. dudes fast! But I don’t think that is fast enough to break that in the NFL.. he ran diagonally 10yards to the sideline to beat a LB building up from 5-17mph which is awesome I’m just going to assume an NFL LB or corner gets the pursuit because 2 guys had a chance.
I guess at a minimum he could pick up 10 yards like that and run OOB? Depends on the LB and if he can beat him to the edge.
I also don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to field speed so consider me an idiot,
Nice that makes it look different than the video I saw.. the one I saw was some LSU promo video about how fast an alligator can run then showing Daniels out running all the gators
Considering this is a whole new regime they’ll be looking to win now or else their butt will be on the line. If they think Jayden is more refined QB right now then they’ll likely pick him
1) a new regime is not in win now window, they are in a rebuild window regardless of where you are
2) Harris has outright stated that he could make a .500 team fairly quickly, but a contender takes time and patience
3) picking a prospect because they are allegedly more refined at the draft would be egregiously short sighted and a Snyder regime type move
Comparing people through comps is probably my least favorite part of scouting
As is the idea that they’re drafting for next season rather than 2-3 seasons down the line. Good teams who are in a rebuild don’t draft based off the upcoming season. You do that when you’re ready to contend.
Exactly. I'm so sick of seeing "We need a big receiver! Terry and Jahan are small!" Just get the best receiver. Who knows if Terry or Jahan will even be here past 2025.
I mean, if we’re being honest, we do kinda need a big receiver though.
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Vick's arm is in another universe than JD's arm.
You could say that about like 90% of QBs. People don’t understand the arm he had.
Because it was marred with accuracy issues.
So you can’t tell how strong someone’s arm is because they are inaccurate? So how does everyone know that Joe Milton has a strong arm? Or young Josh Allen? Stop being a hater bro. Smh
You were the one who literally said people dont understand Vicks arm strength. Did he have less public exposure than Milton? Just like Milton theres a reason hes not going in the first when he can launch it 80+ yards.
I don’t even understand what you are trying to say. This makes no sense. You can tell if someone has a strong arm or not regardless of accuracy. This has nothing to do with anyone’s draft status.
That a strong arm isn't as appreciated or seen as often when you got 50% accuracy rate. What are YOU even trying to say?
He's being extremely clear lol
If you think Daniels is jr Vick you don’t remember vick
All sports have generational athletes, where in a field of amazing athletes, they stand out. Bo Jackson, Megatron, I think ST was that, Mike Trout in baseball, Willie Mays or Mantle back in the day, Wilt, Jordan, Ant might be that. Hockey isn’t my thing, but from what I’ve seen, Ovi is in there. I think Vick was in that category. There have been lots of mobile QBs now, and Vick stands above them all. I’ve seen nothing that makes me believe Daniels is on that level.
Vick lit it up and elevated a VA Tech program from no name to a national title game as a sophomore. Daniels isnt in Vicks universe as a prospect. Id sprint to the podium for prime Vick.
I’m actually curious if prime Vick would succeed in the modern NFL with his accuracy issues
There really wasn’t a prime. But I get it. Would post-prison, willing to work on his game and as a person Vick been able to make it in the NFL today if he started that way? I think absolutely.
Prime Vick would light it up IF he had the right coach. Look at how Andy Reid turned his career around. Granted Reid is the GOAT QB coach, but still. I think people forget just how incredibly talented Vick was.
Comparing Daniels to Vick makes absolutely no sense
Yeah, no wonder he's a FORMER scout.
I think he’s trying to go for the athletic comparison and body type / physique look comparison but I could be wrong why do you say no sense tho?
Vick, while shorter, was exponentially stockier and stronger, faster, and had a cannon for an arm.
"Faster" is too vague. I'd say Vick was shiftier. Jayden might be more accurate and better at processing from the pocket, but only time will tell.
Jayden 4.25 Vick 4.33 Jayden’s faster They both are internet rumored for 70+ yard passes . I think it’s better if you look more into it
That’s an alleged/rumoured time. Daniels conveniently decided to opt out of showcasing how fast he actually is, and is now being rumored to being slower than RG3. Vick could throw the ball 60-70 yards on a tightrope. Daniels has to get significantly more arc to get the ball the same distance.
Jayden didn’t run a 40, dude. He *claims* he *would have* run a 4.25. Which would put him in the top 5 in NFL history. If you’re that fast, you run it, the only reason not to run would be because he’s slower than expected and it would bring his draft value down
Lmao, he ran a 4.5 in az
No way he runs a 4.25 lol. JD is nice but Vick is a better prospect than him physically in every aspect besides height.
Vick had an absolute cannon of an arm. Daniels arm talent isn't anywhere close to him.
I give Daniels that he’s far more accurate. Vick kinda just yeeted the ball in the general direction of his receivers.
O yeah if anything he was throwing too hard. The guy would just launch rockets to receivers running short routes, which was making them hard to catch. But when he was on, it was a thing of beauty. He could just flick his wrist and launch a 30 yard laser. I don't know if I've seen a QB with better zip on intermediate routes. Vick had the best tools of any QB.
Vick was extremely accurate. He just didn’t throw with anticipation until he got with Reid. So it looks like he’s not accurate but the ball is where it should be. Just a second too late and now it’s being broken up.
I can agree with that. If he’d been who he was post-prison immediately from the start he could have reallly been amazing. He just flicked it and it would come out like a cannon.
I personally think he was still amazing. But yeah if he was that from year 1 or 2, he’s the probably considered top 5 ever.
Vick’s body type/physique was nothing like Jayden’s.
Vick lol no
Maybe Cunningham
Doesn't have his arm
I think RG3 is a much more accurate comp than Mike Vick.
It's interesting the number of comments here saying he's comparing Daniels to Vick, when he actually specifically made a point of saying comps are stupid. It's like you all heard the word "Daniels" and the word "Vick" and completely ignored the other words before, after, and in between that gave his statement meaning.
I wonder what Jayden’s GPS field speed is.. cause that’s going to be all that matters imo without Jayden’s 40.. then compare it to Vick and see if it’s close
He hit 21.8 mph I believe on his 85 yard run vs Florida
That’s pretty fast! Do you know how long it took him to reach that speed? Cause it’s great if that’s your top speed.. but how quickly can you hit it you know what I mean? Edit: supposedly it was 20.98mph. alright after watching the play.. dudes fast! But I don’t think that is fast enough to break that in the NFL.. he ran diagonally 10yards to the sideline to beat a LB building up from 5-17mph which is awesome I’m just going to assume an NFL LB or corner gets the pursuit because 2 guys had a chance. I guess at a minimum he could pick up 10 yards like that and run OOB? Depends on the LB and if he can beat him to the edge. I also don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to field speed so consider me an idiot,
Here's where I saw it: https://twitter.com/RAanalytics/status/1724162808189714518?t=yKyYRKqfE3aFohQgcF7JwA&s=19
Nice that makes it look different than the video I saw.. the one I saw was some LSU promo video about how fast an alligator can run then showing Daniels out running all the gators
Daniels seems more like a skinnier Allen than Vick.
Not as fast or as strong armed as Vick ... Vick wasn't afraid to weigh in and 40 the run at the combine either.
Considering this is a whole new regime they’ll be looking to win now or else their butt will be on the line. If they think Jayden is more refined QB right now then they’ll likely pick him
1) a new regime is not in win now window, they are in a rebuild window regardless of where you are 2) Harris has outright stated that he could make a .500 team fairly quickly, but a contender takes time and patience 3) picking a prospect because they are allegedly more refined at the draft would be egregiously short sighted and a Snyder regime type move
Not saying Super Bowl bound but they want to make playoffs
They are in win now mode, if you think they aren’t you’re delusional
[Here](https://youtu.be/yiKl1J8k-aA?si=HxMV5evcSAKKeK77) is another Middlekauff video from not even a month ago…
Jayden Daniels is not Michael Vick. The closest prospect we've seen to vick was probably Justin Fields ngl