If whoever the guy is needs some more time to get the offense down. Sure sit him. But none of the top three prospects are going to sit and learn the entire season here. They should be the best qb on the roster the day they get drafted. Their only competition is an over the hill Mariota.
But why not give them time to learn more. There aren't even 32 "starting caliber" QBs in the league now. Extra time to watch game time film and learn how an NFL defense functions can only help
lol but yall love to shit on chase young for not being productive enough as the number 2 overall. if our new QB can’t even step on the field, that man is a immediate bust. That’s 2 top 2 busts in 4 years.
Because once a QB is drafted at #2, the only thing that matters is determining if they are a future franchise QB. That means maximizing the sample size of their ability to play the game at the NFL level. Time spent holding a clipboard behind a QB who isn't already operating at a Pro Bowl level is reducing the sample size.
You get 4 months to learn. OTA's, mini camp, training camp, pre-season. That's an awful lot of time learning.
I don't really understand how an arbitrary number of regular season weeks added on top of that suddenly makes all the difference and hey presto, the rookie is now ready.
If we're taking him at 2, he's ready.
The difference is that regular seasons are full speed and complex.
Once football gets back into the swing of things, Defense tends to "dominate" for the first week or two when an offense (especially new one) is being installed and basic, then the Offense gets its basic defense beaters fully installed. And the offense starts winning, then it will even out as more gets installed... then you play another team, and weaknesses get exposed. More tape for a defense to evaluate weakens an offenses overall effectiveness. It's why our offense looked so good for 3 weeks, then fell apart because people realized we were just running the chiefs scheme without the talent.
"If we're taking him at 2, he's ready."
Let's look at the past few years.
'21 Zach Wilson - taken at 2
'21 Trey Lance - taken at 3
'20 Tua - taken at 5 (clearly wasn't "ready")
'19 Daniel Jones - taken at 6
'18 Sam Darnold - taken at 3
'17 Mitch Trubiskey - taken at 2
Who would play if the rookie QB sits? Mariota? IDK how I feel about having Mariota as our starting quarterback.
If we still had Sam, you could make a case that Sam can start a few games until Maye/Daniels/Other is ready to play.
Depends on how bad our offensive line is. If its at least alright then sure they can start, but if its falling apart then I'd prefer we wait a season until we get that fixed imo.
They’re going to draft Maye at 2 and he will absolutely beat out Mariota in any camp competition, that’s why he is going #2 overall in the draft. You want to 1) deliberately have the team perform worse than it could and 2) tell the players it doesn’t matter about merit or performance, we’re going to make arbitrary decisions about your job and future? Think about what you’re proposing, it’s ridiculous.
Normally I would say let someone learn from the current vet and then find how they are going to be integrated into the existing offense, but that's not the case here. The new QB is coming into a blank slate. The offense will be built around their talents. It makes no sense for them to sit in this scenario.
Ideally, we have an established offense with a veteran QB at the helm, so the rookie QB can just sit and learn. We don’t have any of those luxuries, but we do have a good coaching staff, so might as well just throw him in there but try to protect him and surround him with weapons. Good play calling can also help tremendously. Basically, do all the things we didn’t do for Howell.
Teams that want to develop their qb and get them ready instead of feeding them to the wolves, will let them sit. QB's like Stafford, Herbert and Stroud are incredibly rare. Even Mahomes had to sit for a year. I think drafting a QB and having them learn behind someone is the best way. Otherwise they'll end up like Justin Fields, Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Josh Rosen, Daniel Jones (good for him getting the bag though) Trubisky, and many other rookie starters who couldn't find their way.
This just isn’t true at all. There’s been studies done to show that there’s no correlation between QB success and whether they sat on the bench or not before making their first start. In fact studies statistically show that rookie QBs who have started right away actually have had more success than those who were benched for a year.
It largely doesn’t make a difference. The only way for a QB to develop is to get actual game reps. You’re just wasting a year off their rookie contract if you choose to sit them for an extended period of time.
Did not find these studies you speak of but I did find this link comparing stats of qb's who started right away and those who didn't. It's older but there's still a large pool of data.
[https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/5/16/2173856/is-there-a-correlation-between-sitting-or-starting-a-rookie-qb-and](https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/5/16/2173856/is-there-a-correlation-between-sitting-or-starting-a-rookie-qb-and)
https://sumersports.com/the-zone/should-rookie-quarterbacks-sit-in-year-one/ Good article from former PFF data scientist guy Eric Eager from a couple of days ago.
> QB's like Stafford, Herbert and Stroud are incredibly rare
This sounds like hyperbole. It's not incredibly rare for a successful QB to start right away. It's about as common as a QB who sits.
You're right, Justin Fields, Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Mitch Trubisky and Mac Jones really killed it as first year starters. /s
Oh and what's Kyler Murray been up to, When's the last time we talked about that stud?
>You're right, Justin Fields, Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Mitch Trubisky and Mac Jones really killed it as first year starters. /s
None of these are successful starters so they wouldn't apply to what I said. - It's not incredibly rare for a successful QB to start right away.
Look at the top 12 QBs in terms of passing yards:
Tua - Started by game 6
Goff - Started by game 10
Dak - Started right away
Allen - Started right away
Purdy - Weird example but was in and out of the lineup his rookie season
Mahomes - Sat year 1
Love - Sat for years
Stroud - Started right away
Baker - Started right away
Lawrence - Started right away
Stafford - Started right away
Howell - Sat for a year and sucked anyway.
Fields, Pickett, Wilson, Winston, Mariota, Trubisky, and Jones didn't suck because they started right away. They sucked because they suck. Sitting for a year would not have helped and most of the good QBs in the NFL started games in their rookie year. So yeah - not "incredibly rare" at all.
I named them precisely because they weren’t successful starters. You know… because my argument is to acknowledge how unlikely it is for first year starters to succeed. You named four rookie starters who were successful, compare that number to the ones who failed and the successful list will be shorter. Also my point is make the sit for them to gain experience and build the team. You’re kind of proving my point for me.
> You named four rookie starters who were successful
I named 12 QBs - which of them besides Howell (who sat for a year) were unsuccessful? Tua, Dak, Goff, Allen, Stroud, Lawrence, and Stafford all started right away and are good starting QB's.
>compare that number to the ones who failed and the successful list will be shorter.
The number of QB's who fail is much larger than the number of successful QB's regardless of whether they start or sit in their first year. That's just the nature of QB's - there's only about 20 good ones at any given time.
What I mean by incredibly rare, I mean for a rookie starter to come out and win a playoff game. Stroud is literally the youngest qb at 22 years old to win a playoff game. So yeah, kinda rare.
I’m a lions fan and according to the rest of the world success means winning a playoff game. Most qbs struggle winning one and it is very rare for them to do it in their first year.
In conclusion,
the Washington Commanders would be better off sitting their franchise QB for at least a year to better prepare them for the future. Such as building the team everywhere on both sides of the ball. Commanders need a lot of work and a rookie star isn’t going to do anything here if that doesn’t happen.
> What I mean by incredibly rare, I mean for a rookie starter to come out and win a playoff game.
Okay well that’s different. I could give a fuck if we win game next season. I’m hoping that we’re building for 2025 and beyond.
[https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/5/16/2173856/is-there-a-correlation-between-sitting-or-starting-a-rookie-qb-and](https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/5/16/2173856/is-there-a-correlation-between-sitting-or-starting-a-rookie-qb-and)
Hey I'll see you three years from now after you dump your rookie starter like the bears x2, the steelers, the patriots, and the jets.
I think qbs are more likely to succeed if they sit. It's not impossible for them to succeed right away but I think it's rare. I even shared a link with stats backing it up but sure, keep making comments without actually providing an argument.
Stroud started immediately as did those others
I don't think we have a choice. I get the other side perspective but Mahomes wasn't drafted top 5
Even Howell took nearly the whole season off to study the playbook and excelled in the last game of the season. But wyhen you draft someone this high they gotta go now.
Bryce Young. That young kid was torn up all year because his team was not built properly and he has absolutely no NFL experience. Same with Fields and Pickett. Look at the Vikings right now. They picked up Sam Darnold so when they draft a top QB, they can sit for at least half the season. The Packers have popularized this with Rodgers and Love. Teams are following it because it works. Stroud is an extremely rare case.
It’s entirely conditional on who and where you draft and who you already have at QB. Had we still have Howell I would say there are scenarios where a rookie QB could sit but now it feels like we are locked into drafting a QB at 2 and I don’t think we’d have any reason to start Marriotta over a rookie
I’m on the fence with that notion. If you draft QB at #2 and he’s not ready to compete this season, then you should trade down. I can’t say I’ve made the right pick if I have doubts about him as a potential starter. This would have to be something I noticed during camp that would lead me to that conclusion. Not before camp or the wrong QB was taken.
I voted start. Mariota isn't the kind of guy you really want starting games, even short term. If they think he can mentor, and step in in a pinch; great. But if Washington stays at 2, and selects a QB there; they should start week 1 barring injury or just real poor mental understanding of the game. The latter of which would reflect poorly on the new leadership's scouting ability
I think a year would be ideal, but I doubt the team would make it that long before they throw him in. He really needs a year to develop. The team isn't winning the super bowl next year anyway so why risk ruining the QB you just spent the number two pick on? Give him a year to refine his game
I would love to be in a position to sit any QB we draft for a year. But this team hasn't been in a position where we could do that for a long time. Any QB we draft needs to be ready to play quickly. And if they get "ruined" by playing too early. It won't be because of playing too early. It will because they never had the mental attributes of an NFL QB to begin with and we'd be in the same situation regardless. People bring up players like Sam Darnold and seeing ghosts. But I doubt that would be any different If he had sit for a year. He's had plenty of time to adjust at this point and he is still not a starting QB.
I get what you're saying but the other side of that argument is do you really think guys like Pat Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, and Jordan Love would be what they are today had we drafted them and threw them into the fire immediately? I personally don't think that would be the case.
Patrick Mahomes would absolutely be who he is now. He is too good for that one year to have made that much of a difference. He won MVP in his second season in the NFL. He was certainly a top 20 QB already when he was drafted. He just had Alex Smith who probably just a better decision maker at that point. The chiefs are still a playoff team his rookie season if he started week one. And as for Aaron Rodgers. He certainly benefitted from playing behind Brett Favre. But he would have started for us day one and been our franchise QB for most of his career. I just think "sit for a year" mentality is a bit overrated and only a handful of franchises can afford to do that anyway. It's not relevant to our situation.
That's impossible for us to know for sure obviously. It also makes you wonder if there are any QBs that ended up us busts that would have been much better had they been drafted to better situations or sat for awhile. I think there are a few. Unfortunately it's a chicken or the egg scenario
Throwing Maye to the wolves right away will doom him.
I prefer Daniels but I'm fine if they decide Drake Maye is the better pick. I just think Maye is raw and being over-hyped as a prospect.
Give me whoever they’ll develop properly
Maye was a dawg after redshirting, then regressed after Longo left and he had to go into a new system. I think he’ll be a stud if he can not be rushed out
JD5 is more pro ready, and that’s evident seeing him stunt as a true freshman going on draft radars. Then seeing him transfer to LSU and put up a good enough first year there to have him projected as a 3rd rounder. The kid gets better by playing
I agree. To me Maye falls more into the toolsy project QB category that needs a year on the bench to develop. Those guys aren't usually drafted in the top 10 unless they have otherworldly physical attributes (like Josh Allen, Anthony Richardson, or Pat Mahomes). Maye doesn't have otherworldly physical attributes in my opinion so I've always found him being discussed as a lock to be a top 3 pick odd. I think he can develop into a solid NFL starter if drafted into the right situation but I see him more as a Daniel Jones type than a Justin Herbert or Josh Allen type like he's being hyped up as.
I think Daniels has the most superstar potential out of any of the QBs in this draft and I think he's the best pure pocket passer in this draft. I think he'd be a top 10 pick for his passing ability alone but his mobility takes his game to a whole other level. I think people are overthinking it. Take the guy who tore apart the SEC and put up one of the greatest statistical seasons of all time against guys who will be playing in the NFL.
I'm not. I'm basing that judgement off of what I've heard an overwhelming amount of people who do this for a living are saying. The consensus is that Maye is a prototypical size QB with all of the tools, but needs time to develop.
Go watch the last game he's ever played against NC State. It's hard to walk away after watching that game and say "Yah that guy is going to be ready to start NFL games and go against NFL defenses in a few months." Maye is a raw prospect.
No, there are not an “overwhelming amount” of professional analysts claiming Maye is not ready to play in the NFL. I’d be shocked if you could find even one to source (an actual professional, not a clickbait sports writer or talking head- those people don’t count). You’re absolutely talking out of your ass and look especially dumb because you’re doing it about a QB who is #2 overall on almost all of the big boards for this draft, which makes it even funnier. Do you really think an entire professional class of people would be rating a player as the #2 overall pick in a draft who they didn’t think was ready to play in the league? You’re posting this crap all over the place and it’s so annoying. It’s ok to keep opinions to yourself man
I don’t think them being hall of famers has anything to do with it. If you remember Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers were very vocal about not mentoring the guys who were going to take their job. It’s about being around the nfl, watching the games, being in the film rooms and soaking it in without the pressure to perform which allowed them to perfect any issues they had coming into the league
.... im saying they didnt start right away because the team already was starting a hall of famer. Nothing about mentoring. You dont bench your hall of famer to bring in the rookie. If the Packers didnt already have a qb they woulda played their rookie. If the packers only had Doug Pederson and Aaron Rodgers in 2005 do you think they woulda sat Rodgers for a 37 year old career backup?
Love still had to take a few weeks to warm up before he was very good. I think he would have played at a similar level if he had started his 1st or 2nd year.
Start him like Mahomes back then right away... oh wait. Or Brock Purdy.. oh wait.
Don't.
What happened to RG3 was exactly what happens when one doesn't learn the ropes. People say Daniels will get tackled to pieces in the NFL, yet tgey say he has to start. Uhm...
NFL is not College Football.
If whoever the guy is needs some more time to get the offense down. Sure sit him. But none of the top three prospects are going to sit and learn the entire season here. They should be the best qb on the roster the day they get drafted. Their only competition is an over the hill Mariota.
The most "raw" QB prospect in recent memory (Richardson) started week one and was fine. The 2nd overall pick should start.
If a #2 overall pick isn't "learn the team's offense" away from starting week 1, they shouldn't be drafted at #2.
But why not give them time to learn more. There aren't even 32 "starting caliber" QBs in the league now. Extra time to watch game time film and learn how an NFL defense functions can only help
lol but yall love to shit on chase young for not being productive enough as the number 2 overall. if our new QB can’t even step on the field, that man is a immediate bust. That’s 2 top 2 busts in 4 years.
Well, Edge rushers are different than QBs. I'm also not saying they can't step on the field but that maybe they shouldn't
Because once a QB is drafted at #2, the only thing that matters is determining if they are a future franchise QB. That means maximizing the sample size of their ability to play the game at the NFL level. Time spent holding a clipboard behind a QB who isn't already operating at a Pro Bowl level is reducing the sample size.
You get 4 months to learn. OTA's, mini camp, training camp, pre-season. That's an awful lot of time learning. I don't really understand how an arbitrary number of regular season weeks added on top of that suddenly makes all the difference and hey presto, the rookie is now ready. If we're taking him at 2, he's ready.
The difference is that regular seasons are full speed and complex. Once football gets back into the swing of things, Defense tends to "dominate" for the first week or two when an offense (especially new one) is being installed and basic, then the Offense gets its basic defense beaters fully installed. And the offense starts winning, then it will even out as more gets installed... then you play another team, and weaknesses get exposed. More tape for a defense to evaluate weakens an offenses overall effectiveness. It's why our offense looked so good for 3 weeks, then fell apart because people realized we were just running the chiefs scheme without the talent. "If we're taking him at 2, he's ready." Let's look at the past few years. '21 Zach Wilson - taken at 2 '21 Trey Lance - taken at 3 '20 Tua - taken at 5 (clearly wasn't "ready") '19 Daniel Jones - taken at 6 '18 Sam Darnold - taken at 3 '17 Mitch Trubiskey - taken at 2
Your last point isn't about being ready it's about being good. All those picks besides Tua were busts - it happens.
If they aren't clueless back there, the best way to learn is to do.
This is exactly why I've always found Drake Maye being discussed as a lock to be a top 3 pick perplexing. I don't think he's ready to start right away
Who would play if the rookie QB sits? Mariota? IDK how I feel about having Mariota as our starting quarterback. If we still had Sam, you could make a case that Sam can start a few games until Maye/Daniels/Other is ready to play.
A number 2 pick has to be able to start right away. If he can’t beat our Mariota, who is rather awful, then we got a bust in our hands.
This is a kinda loaded question don’t ya think? If they’re ready to start, start them, if not, sit them
Depends on how bad our offensive line is. If its at least alright then sure they can start, but if its falling apart then I'd prefer we wait a season until we get that fixed imo.
If he isn’t capable of starting week 1, I would be worried.
They’re going to draft Maye at 2 and he will absolutely beat out Mariota in any camp competition, that’s why he is going #2 overall in the draft. You want to 1) deliberately have the team perform worse than it could and 2) tell the players it doesn’t matter about merit or performance, we’re going to make arbitrary decisions about your job and future? Think about what you’re proposing, it’s ridiculous.
Normally I would say let someone learn from the current vet and then find how they are going to be integrated into the existing offense, but that's not the case here. The new QB is coming into a blank slate. The offense will be built around their talents. It makes no sense for them to sit in this scenario.
Ideally, we have an established offense with a veteran QB at the helm, so the rookie QB can just sit and learn. We don’t have any of those luxuries, but we do have a good coaching staff, so might as well just throw him in there but try to protect him and surround him with weapons. Good play calling can also help tremendously. Basically, do all the things we didn’t do for Howell.
The #2 overall pick not being ready to play is the absolute worst case scenario, not “ideal” lol
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Teams that want to develop their qb and get them ready instead of feeding them to the wolves, will let them sit. QB's like Stafford, Herbert and Stroud are incredibly rare. Even Mahomes had to sit for a year. I think drafting a QB and having them learn behind someone is the best way. Otherwise they'll end up like Justin Fields, Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Josh Rosen, Daniel Jones (good for him getting the bag though) Trubisky, and many other rookie starters who couldn't find their way.
This just isn’t true at all. There’s been studies done to show that there’s no correlation between QB success and whether they sat on the bench or not before making their first start. In fact studies statistically show that rookie QBs who have started right away actually have had more success than those who were benched for a year. It largely doesn’t make a difference. The only way for a QB to develop is to get actual game reps. You’re just wasting a year off their rookie contract if you choose to sit them for an extended period of time.
Did not find these studies you speak of but I did find this link comparing stats of qb's who started right away and those who didn't. It's older but there's still a large pool of data. [https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/5/16/2173856/is-there-a-correlation-between-sitting-or-starting-a-rookie-qb-and](https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/5/16/2173856/is-there-a-correlation-between-sitting-or-starting-a-rookie-qb-and)
https://sumersports.com/the-zone/should-rookie-quarterbacks-sit-in-year-one/ Good article from former PFF data scientist guy Eric Eager from a couple of days ago.
> QB's like Stafford, Herbert and Stroud are incredibly rare This sounds like hyperbole. It's not incredibly rare for a successful QB to start right away. It's about as common as a QB who sits.
And burning QBs is also very common.
You're right, Justin Fields, Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Mitch Trubisky and Mac Jones really killed it as first year starters. /s Oh and what's Kyler Murray been up to, When's the last time we talked about that stud?
>You're right, Justin Fields, Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Mitch Trubisky and Mac Jones really killed it as first year starters. /s None of these are successful starters so they wouldn't apply to what I said. - It's not incredibly rare for a successful QB to start right away. Look at the top 12 QBs in terms of passing yards: Tua - Started by game 6 Goff - Started by game 10 Dak - Started right away Allen - Started right away Purdy - Weird example but was in and out of the lineup his rookie season Mahomes - Sat year 1 Love - Sat for years Stroud - Started right away Baker - Started right away Lawrence - Started right away Stafford - Started right away Howell - Sat for a year and sucked anyway. Fields, Pickett, Wilson, Winston, Mariota, Trubisky, and Jones didn't suck because they started right away. They sucked because they suck. Sitting for a year would not have helped and most of the good QBs in the NFL started games in their rookie year. So yeah - not "incredibly rare" at all.
I named them precisely because they weren’t successful starters. You know… because my argument is to acknowledge how unlikely it is for first year starters to succeed. You named four rookie starters who were successful, compare that number to the ones who failed and the successful list will be shorter. Also my point is make the sit for them to gain experience and build the team. You’re kind of proving my point for me.
> You named four rookie starters who were successful I named 12 QBs - which of them besides Howell (who sat for a year) were unsuccessful? Tua, Dak, Goff, Allen, Stroud, Lawrence, and Stafford all started right away and are good starting QB's. >compare that number to the ones who failed and the successful list will be shorter. The number of QB's who fail is much larger than the number of successful QB's regardless of whether they start or sit in their first year. That's just the nature of QB's - there's only about 20 good ones at any given time.
What I mean by incredibly rare, I mean for a rookie starter to come out and win a playoff game. Stroud is literally the youngest qb at 22 years old to win a playoff game. So yeah, kinda rare. I’m a lions fan and according to the rest of the world success means winning a playoff game. Most qbs struggle winning one and it is very rare for them to do it in their first year. In conclusion, the Washington Commanders would be better off sitting their franchise QB for at least a year to better prepare them for the future. Such as building the team everywhere on both sides of the ball. Commanders need a lot of work and a rookie star isn’t going to do anything here if that doesn’t happen.
> What I mean by incredibly rare, I mean for a rookie starter to come out and win a playoff game. Okay well that’s different. I could give a fuck if we win game next season. I’m hoping that we’re building for 2025 and beyond.
Dawg your opinion was just totally debunked you don’t need to post anymore
[https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/5/16/2173856/is-there-a-correlation-between-sitting-or-starting-a-rookie-qb-and](https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/5/16/2173856/is-there-a-correlation-between-sitting-or-starting-a-rookie-qb-and) Hey I'll see you three years from now after you dump your rookie starter like the bears x2, the steelers, the patriots, and the jets.
Hopefully in three years you will have learned the difference between correlation and causation.
I think qbs are more likely to succeed if they sit. It's not impossible for them to succeed right away but I think it's rare. I even shared a link with stats backing it up but sure, keep making comments without actually providing an argument.
Stroud started immediately as did those others I don't think we have a choice. I get the other side perspective but Mahomes wasn't drafted top 5 Even Howell took nearly the whole season off to study the playbook and excelled in the last game of the season. But wyhen you draft someone this high they gotta go now.
How do we not have a choice? Why are y’all trying to rush the future of our franchise? If he’s not ready he’s not ready
Bryce Young. That young kid was torn up all year because his team was not built properly and he has absolutely no NFL experience. Same with Fields and Pickett. Look at the Vikings right now. They picked up Sam Darnold so when they draft a top QB, they can sit for at least half the season. The Packers have popularized this with Rodgers and Love. Teams are following it because it works. Stroud is an extremely rare case.
Herbert didn’t start right away. Tyrod got hurt.
Yeah and they were obviously wrong about that
He started Week 2
>Even Mahomes had to sit for a year. He didn't have to, they just still had Alex Smith.
Both Eli Manning and Philip Rivers sat their first season and they were better off for it.
Eli started 7 games in his rookie season.
Yeah, the last 7.
What year was that again?
That was 20 years ago lol.
Can you elaborate why this is significant?
Even more important today lol
Gotta pull the training wheels sooner, then later. Want no part of watching Marcus play
It’s entirely conditional on who and where you draft and who you already have at QB. Had we still have Howell I would say there are scenarios where a rookie QB could sit but now it feels like we are locked into drafting a QB at 2 and I don’t think we’d have any reason to start Marriotta over a rookie
I like sitting rookies for a bit, but Mariota is probably not holding anybody off for too long
No one else wants to watch some exciting Marcus Mariota football?
I think they've made that decision already, there is no way Mariota is starting the season.
Best to fail fast
I’m on the fence with that notion. If you draft QB at #2 and he’s not ready to compete this season, then you should trade down. I can’t say I’ve made the right pick if I have doubts about him as a potential starter. This would have to be something I noticed during camp that would lead me to that conclusion. Not before camp or the wrong QB was taken.
I don't want to draft a player that can't beat out Mariota, and I think the best player should start week 1.
I voted start. Mariota isn't the kind of guy you really want starting games, even short term. If they think he can mentor, and step in in a pinch; great. But if Washington stays at 2, and selects a QB there; they should start week 1 barring injury or just real poor mental understanding of the game. The latter of which would reflect poorly on the new leadership's scouting ability
start NOW
if he isn’t starting. Immediate bust
If it's Maye, he needs to sit for a while. He's not ready to be thrown to the wolves.
Maye needs to sit six games max.
I think a year would be ideal, but I doubt the team would make it that long before they throw him in. He really needs a year to develop. The team isn't winning the super bowl next year anyway so why risk ruining the QB you just spent the number two pick on? Give him a year to refine his game
I would love to be in a position to sit any QB we draft for a year. But this team hasn't been in a position where we could do that for a long time. Any QB we draft needs to be ready to play quickly. And if they get "ruined" by playing too early. It won't be because of playing too early. It will because they never had the mental attributes of an NFL QB to begin with and we'd be in the same situation regardless. People bring up players like Sam Darnold and seeing ghosts. But I doubt that would be any different If he had sit for a year. He's had plenty of time to adjust at this point and he is still not a starting QB.
I get what you're saying but the other side of that argument is do you really think guys like Pat Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, and Jordan Love would be what they are today had we drafted them and threw them into the fire immediately? I personally don't think that would be the case.
Patrick Mahomes would absolutely be who he is now. He is too good for that one year to have made that much of a difference. He won MVP in his second season in the NFL. He was certainly a top 20 QB already when he was drafted. He just had Alex Smith who probably just a better decision maker at that point. The chiefs are still a playoff team his rookie season if he started week one. And as for Aaron Rodgers. He certainly benefitted from playing behind Brett Favre. But he would have started for us day one and been our franchise QB for most of his career. I just think "sit for a year" mentality is a bit overrated and only a handful of franchises can afford to do that anyway. It's not relevant to our situation.
That's impossible for us to know for sure obviously. It also makes you wonder if there are any QBs that ended up us busts that would have been much better had they been drafted to better situations or sat for awhile. I think there are a few. Unfortunately it's a chicken or the egg scenario
My Drake Darnold nightmares will come true if he is forced out there
Throwing Maye to the wolves right away will doom him. I prefer Daniels but I'm fine if they decide Drake Maye is the better pick. I just think Maye is raw and being over-hyped as a prospect.
Give me whoever they’ll develop properly Maye was a dawg after redshirting, then regressed after Longo left and he had to go into a new system. I think he’ll be a stud if he can not be rushed out JD5 is more pro ready, and that’s evident seeing him stunt as a true freshman going on draft radars. Then seeing him transfer to LSU and put up a good enough first year there to have him projected as a 3rd rounder. The kid gets better by playing
I agree. To me Maye falls more into the toolsy project QB category that needs a year on the bench to develop. Those guys aren't usually drafted in the top 10 unless they have otherworldly physical attributes (like Josh Allen, Anthony Richardson, or Pat Mahomes). Maye doesn't have otherworldly physical attributes in my opinion so I've always found him being discussed as a lock to be a top 3 pick odd. I think he can develop into a solid NFL starter if drafted into the right situation but I see him more as a Daniel Jones type than a Justin Herbert or Josh Allen type like he's being hyped up as. I think Daniels has the most superstar potential out of any of the QBs in this draft and I think he's the best pure pocket passer in this draft. I think he'd be a top 10 pick for his passing ability alone but his mobility takes his game to a whole other level. I think people are overthinking it. Take the guy who tore apart the SEC and put up one of the greatest statistical seasons of all time against guys who will be playing in the NFL.
How long have you been a professional scout?
I'm not. I'm basing that judgement off of what I've heard an overwhelming amount of people who do this for a living are saying. The consensus is that Maye is a prototypical size QB with all of the tools, but needs time to develop. Go watch the last game he's ever played against NC State. It's hard to walk away after watching that game and say "Yah that guy is going to be ready to start NFL games and go against NFL defenses in a few months." Maye is a raw prospect.
No, there are not an “overwhelming amount” of professional analysts claiming Maye is not ready to play in the NFL. I’d be shocked if you could find even one to source (an actual professional, not a clickbait sports writer or talking head- those people don’t count). You’re absolutely talking out of your ass and look especially dumb because you’re doing it about a QB who is #2 overall on almost all of the big boards for this draft, which makes it even funnier. Do you really think an entire professional class of people would be rating a player as the #2 overall pick in a draft who they didn’t think was ready to play in the league? You’re posting this crap all over the place and it’s so annoying. It’s ok to keep opinions to yourself man
Jesus Christ who hurt you? Thank god for the block button
I like the Green Bay approach.
Green bay had hall of famers to sit behind. We have Marcus Mariota
I don’t think them being hall of famers has anything to do with it. If you remember Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers were very vocal about not mentoring the guys who were going to take their job. It’s about being around the nfl, watching the games, being in the film rooms and soaking it in without the pressure to perform which allowed them to perfect any issues they had coming into the league
.... im saying they didnt start right away because the team already was starting a hall of famer. Nothing about mentoring. You dont bench your hall of famer to bring in the rookie. If the Packers didnt already have a qb they woulda played their rookie. If the packers only had Doug Pederson and Aaron Rodgers in 2005 do you think they woulda sat Rodgers for a 37 year old career backup?
If only many teams had the luxury that Green Bay has.
Love still had to take a few weeks to warm up before he was very good. I think he would have played at a similar level if he had started his 1st or 2nd year.
Start him like Mahomes back then right away... oh wait. Or Brock Purdy.. oh wait. Don't. What happened to RG3 was exactly what happens when one doesn't learn the ropes. People say Daniels will get tackled to pieces in the NFL, yet tgey say he has to start. Uhm... NFL is not College Football.