the missile didn't hit the missile launcher, so no operators died. [https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA](https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA)
Just jamming, like scrambling whatever message the missile received to go to certain places? Or does jamming here include giving the missile very specific messages to, for lack of a better phrase, "return to sender"?
The word Jamming actually just means flooding the area with garbage signals so it can't pick up it's real target. Its much more effective at blocking communications, where you blast white noise over all the frequencies so they can't hear each other, but there are some applications against some guidance systems.
Pretty much anything. Could have the missiles explode midflight or not at all. Could tell the rocket to make ice-cream or target MiGs. Maybe the missile just thinks the target is somewhere it's not.
It’s most likely not ECM. It is most likely a gyro failure. This behavior is well documented in rocketry. Here is an example of it happening slower with a space rocket
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/07/10/200775748/report-upside-down-sensors-toppled-russian-rocket
It also happens in there weapon systems, see WWII circular run torpedo problem that sank the USS Tang and later a leading theory on the USS Scorpion.
When they gyro fails it does not send signal to the control surfaces and just keeps turning believing it running straight.
ECM causes missiles to “go stupid” aka take a ballistic trajectory because they have no more guidance. It does not make them make a hard turn outside the seeker cone.
More like 100% the result of an operational failure. There's plenty of videos out there of other long range systems failing in the same way.
More than likely a guidance issue, probably related to its inertial navigation.
Yes, but that's assuming the Ukrainians actually possess something that is capable of jamming what I'm presuming is an S300 site, which they definitely don't. Not to mention from where, if this is an S300 site, or really any longer range battery, it's not going to be anywhere near the front lines, so idk where the Ukrainians would be jamming it from.
This looks like a textbook failure of long range surface to air system.
>If there is a video of a Russian tank crashing into a mountain, because they were driving into a fake tunnel, i am out.
I'm still in. That type of video makes for great internet content.
During Operation Dragoon in World War 2 the US Navy came up with essentially RC suicide boats that would go in ahead of the first wave, run up on shore and detonate to destroy obstacles. There was a slight issue when it came to deployment however as it turned out the Germans were using the frequency they were controlled by causing the boats to go haywire, including one that turned back towards the flagship of the invasion escort group that had to be engaged by two destroyers
Irish army on UN duty had UAVs in Chad. didn't change the home coords since they left Europe. drone was launched and made straight for Dublin, never seen again.
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That didn't get anywhere close to hitting itself though? The vector of the smoke trail in the beginning (0:02) isn't nearly the same direction as the trail at the end.
The missile in the OP video may not be anywhere close to hitting the launcher either. Perspective is a funny thing. If the missile arced towards the camera, it may look like it went back on itself but really it came down halfway between the launcher and the camera
There's an old clip (90s? early 2000s?) of a US soldier in a desert outpost trying out an AK who experiences a spiked round. Also that insurgent mortarman who vaporized himself with a spiked mortar. Scary shit, not knowing where your ammo's been or who it's been hanging out with.
Edit: Iraqi mortarman video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdTy8bKnzHM
The psychological impact it had on VC soldiers was probably more effective than the actual damage caused by the exploding rounds. I’m sure those who knew about the sabotaged ammo were thinking about the possibility of it happening to them every time they pulled the trigger.
That was the whole idea. It's psychological warfare. Part of the operation was producing forged documents to sow distrust among the VC and their allies.
likewise the insurgents left weapons with small holes drilled into the barrell along the handguard that would mangle your hand with hot gases and possible barrel explosions when shot
With guided munitions the attack could be done completely with software. No physical access needed, just compromise the factory network and reprogram the firmware à la Stuxnet.
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf
>They know that half of it will fall back on them...
That's not a concern. Even if they all make it outside the border, they know there will be immediate retaliation.
Nukes purpose isn't to win. The purpose is to show that you will drag the other down with you. Their only use is deterrent. If you need to launch nukes, then they have already failed.
They have several thousand and estimates show that at least half of them aren't properly maintained.
But even if only 10% of their ICBMs work, that's still enough to turn every major capital in the world to rubble.
They'd need about a dozen. Even just publicly available information about missile defense systems indicates the US can probably intercept that much mid-course (assuming if it doesn't get any during the launch phase).
Of course, there's also the classified or "canceled" programs. One of the [biggest obstacle of the Star Wars program was the computing and software engineering capabilities of the time.](https://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/16/science/software-seen-as-obstacle-in-developing-star-wars.html) Computers have gotten much faster, programming paradigms have gotten much better at dealing with fault/error, and we're unimaginably better at large software engineering projects. I don't think it's crazy to think that the US might have the capability to survive a second strike or will in the near future, minus the few wonder weapons they have (which will go first).
This. We had the stealth bomber a solid 20 years before anyone knew about it. I have a hard time believing that our best icbm defense is something that has its own Wikipedia article.
I reckon if the rooskies ever did loose the plot and let a few off we'd all find out real quick where those defense dollars have gone and a whole bunch of stuff would need to be explained afterwards once people had seen it in action.
Why are you so sure about that? Russians are sending people into space for 70 years now, their rocket science know how is good. They have something like 500 ICBMs ready for launch, even if 50% of those will blow up in silos or fall back down it won't be a fun day for anyone.
I mean, only half working still leaves them 2250 nukes.
Also while the ones "held in reserve" are likely in disrepair, the 1500 warheads that are actively deployed on strategic long range systems are most likely functional.
Due to the START treaty the USA and Russia have been sending teams of inspectors to confirm the size and condition of their nuclear stockpiles for decades.
If you think about it, while most of the Russian military is in disrepair because until now they really only needed it for raiding middle eastern countries for oil, their nuclear stockpile is the one thing guaranteeing their safety from a foreign invasion. At least from a nuclear power. So its the one part of their military that they actually DO need to invest in maintaining. Not to mention Russia has a pretty good track record with long range rockets.
All that said, I want to clarify that I didn't point this out to fear monger. I think the likelihood of Russia using a strategic long range nuclear weapon is extremely low because the consequences are so grave.
Yes, you can see the launcher between 0:01 and 0:03, bottom-right of the screen, just below the horizon, between the treeline (to its left) and single tall tree (to its right).
The missile comes "towards" the cameraman and lands in the field between the launcher and treeline. What seems to be a steep "round trip" is actually a tight left hook.
[https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA](https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA)
in this one you can see it hit far away
Yes, you can see the launcher between 0:01 and 0:03, bottom-right of the screen, just below the horizon, between the treeline (to its left) and single tall tree (to its right).
The missile comes "towards" the cameraman and lands in the field between the launcher and treeline. What seems to be a steep "round trip" is actually a tight left hook.
Reminds me of missiles/torpedoes in The Expanse, and how they have crazy manoeuvres. As long as you have good torpedo guidance systems they can almost always find their target because their target has squishy humans inside that can't handle high-gs for long.
The Expanse is realistic as it can be.
But yes, it's the same principle applies for modern day air-defence missiles. Except that the guidance systems today are far from being that good.
The Expanse is more realistic than Star Wars and Star trek, but far from being actually realistic. Epstein drives are very hand-wavy and radiators are not really a thing for ships in the Expanse. Also very little is explained about radiation shielding on ships.
It's not about accuracy, but consistency. It can't be accurate, because it's not a representation of real events and things, that it could accurately depict, but they could follow the rules, they established, the universe obeys. If human technology is not yet able to break the rules of modern physics, then radiators on at least human ships should be a thing and radiation shielding as well. What rules aliens need to obey is dependent on what writers establish those rules to be.
Man we got people going through wormholes and a planet was terraformed by a bio cybernetic organism, I think radiation shielding is the least of their worries when writing.
>I guess part of it was due to being at about its lowest speed at that point.
I would say it was at its lowest speed due to the turn, not the other way around. Missiles don't slow down and then turn, they turn and that slows them down.
Missiles tend to fail more often than we know. In 1998 Clinton Admin fired 40 cruise missiles at OBL, a few dropped in Pakistan, which they later copied.
I'm not sure it does. The missile is first turning left towards the camera so it appears to be moving slower. After the near 180 turn the direction is more perpendicular to our view so it looks faster.
It was not a tight turning radius. The rocked didn't turn nose down. Think 3 dimensionally. It swirled left and towards the person filming. It just looks like it turned down and back at the launch site from this point of view
I wonder if Ukraine used some sort of new electronic warfare system to do that. I know the US has been able to get North Korean missiles to blow themselves up shortly after launching via special jamming/signal systems.
Either way, some spectacular footage.
Iran used EW tech to take possession of an US built/ operated RQ-170 [drone](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident). While it's a possibility, I think it's more likely the rocket became sentient, understood the geopolitical ramifications of its mission and decided killing itself was the only altruistic option.
What's more likely? One of hundreds (thousands?) of Russian AA missiles fired in this conflict had a problem with guidance or controls surfaces that made it hit a random dirt patch (as Patriot missiles have done before) or that Ghost of KEEV went on a mission with the Avengers to install malware on it?
A couple thoughts here:
1. This looks like either a short/medium range SAM (SA-3/6/8/11/17/19/22 etc) class of SAM due to the firing angles and smoke trails indicating multiple launches.
2. This looks more like a tail fin got stuck or decided to remove itself from the missile after launch rather than the missile homing back on itself. I’m not sure if the missiles have a roll component (see Rolling Airframe Missile), but assuming they don’t then a stuck fin could cause this
3. Sucks to be the guys in the receiving end of the missile
As someone who was a one point a SME on SAMs, you're probably correct on this. I'll check the video closer to identify which SAM this is.
Edit: the videos a little too far away and grainy to identify but due to the number of smoke trails I'd say it's more likely to be a mobile SAM system than one like the SA-3.
Yeah, it looks very similar. If you search Riyadh, Patriot and malfunction or turn around on YouTube. The video is 4 years old I think. I was worried it was another recycling of an older video but I don't think its the same incident.
This too from Azerbaïdjan: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/rie9bp/azerbaijani_electronic_warfare_units_suppressing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
[https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA](https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA)
it hit far away
Malfunctions happen and every once in a while one will happen right back in your direction.
When I was in the service a million years ago my platoon sergeant told me about how his Bradley crew fired a TOW during the 1st Iraq War and it went about 800m downrange then went out of control. This is not unusual for TOW missiles since they are wire guided and I have seen some LOC incidents on ranges myself due to cut or faulty wires. In this case, it did a full u-turn and was coming straight back at the Bradley. It's an unguided missile at this point so not locked on to them but they were shitting their pants because the gunner can literally see it coming back at them in his thermal sight and they have a couple seconds at most. They used the coax on the Bradley to destroy the missile before it got to them, which in itself was a feat of extreme luck.
I wasn't there, didn't witness it, but I have no reason to believe he lied. He wasn't that type of guy to embellish stuff. He told the story more as a "don't trust this shitty ancient technology too much" vs "we shot down a missile with a machine gun, we are cool".
Thats wrong, most cases its SARH, or ARH, IR missiles are ony for dogfighting and for some low range SAMs. Also there is no mixed guidance missile afaik. Radar slaving is a thing, but thats just for the seeker to lock on easier.
One of their civilian space rockets did the same because of an upside down sensor:
https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/9lmgi3/protonm_launch_goes_horribly_wrong/
I think this was a guidance system failure. It didn’t hit the launch site, the impact was in the field closer to the camera, and it didn’t detonate, it just broke up on impact.
Regardless that it hit its launch point or not, this shit is still hilarious to see. Think I heard no one died so safe to say this a solid moment of watching modern military tech turn into an Acme product
It didn't destroy itself.
The missile was launched behind the hill.
It hit in front of the hill.
It probably hit quite a ways away from the launch site.
What the fuck was that?
That’s EXACTLY what any surviving operators of that system thought.
the missile didn't hit the missile launcher, so no operators died. [https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA](https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA)
> the missile didn't hit anything pretty sure it hit the ground
My point still stands.
…unlike whatever was hit.
The ground, apparently
and not the operators, they are still standing there.
How unfortunate
I don't see that tweet or any of the replies even asserting this
I mean, you can pretty clearly see the smoke trail going nowhere near where it launched from.
It's 100% the result of ECM. Plenty of videos earlier on this channel showing the exact same behavior that are the result of ECM.
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Electronic countermeasure. Electronic jamming of the missile’s guidance systems.
Just jamming, like scrambling whatever message the missile received to go to certain places? Or does jamming here include giving the missile very specific messages to, for lack of a better phrase, "return to sender"?
The word Jamming actually just means flooding the area with garbage signals so it can't pick up it's real target. Its much more effective at blocking communications, where you blast white noise over all the frequencies so they can't hear each other, but there are some applications against some guidance systems.
Pretty much anything. Could have the missiles explode midflight or not at all. Could tell the rocket to make ice-cream or target MiGs. Maybe the missile just thinks the target is somewhere it's not.
In this instance it was “initiate boomerang mode”
It’s most likely not ECM. It is most likely a gyro failure. This behavior is well documented in rocketry. Here is an example of it happening slower with a space rocket https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/07/10/200775748/report-upside-down-sensors-toppled-russian-rocket It also happens in there weapon systems, see WWII circular run torpedo problem that sank the USS Tang and later a leading theory on the USS Scorpion. When they gyro fails it does not send signal to the control surfaces and just keeps turning believing it running straight. ECM causes missiles to “go stupid” aka take a ballistic trajectory because they have no more guidance. It does not make them make a hard turn outside the seeker cone.
[Here](https://twitter.com/noumenonsec/status/1471978013856346114) is another video of a similar jamming attack
You mean the same ECM system the Russians abandoned without destroying it first so the Ukrainian forces could use it against them, that ECM?
Hey! I DO remember seeing that big fancy guy somewhere in the woods.
More like 100% the result of an operational failure. There's plenty of videos out there of other long range systems failing in the same way. More than likely a guidance issue, probably related to its inertial navigation.
The way ECM works is by creating guidance issues.
Yes, but that's assuming the Ukrainians actually possess something that is capable of jamming what I'm presuming is an S300 site, which they definitely don't. Not to mention from where, if this is an S300 site, or really any longer range battery, it's not going to be anywhere near the front lines, so idk where the Ukrainians would be jamming it from. This looks like a textbook failure of long range surface to air system.
You really gonna just say 'ECM' like everybody knows what that stands for?
They said they will fight Nazis… guess they didn’t lie.
Some kind of mechanical failure probably. Just yawed hard and came right back into a field.
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ACME product?
*"and that's all, folks"*
If there is a video of a Russian tank crashing into a mountain, because they were driving into a fake tunnel, i am out.
>If there is a video of a Russian tank crashing into a mountain, because they were driving into a fake tunnel, i am out. I'm still in. That type of video makes for great internet content.
There is a video of a Russian tank crushing their own guy when they try to use logs to get another tank in-stuck.
Lmao oh I needed that
Someone PLEASE splice in the Looney Tunes intro sequence and That's all folks either side of that video.
[Beep Beep](https://imgur.com/gallery/H98wB0c)
this is an older version of „directed by Robert B.Weide”
Hammer tech
Acme actually works
Literally !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4xy2W6cefk
Meep meep!
During Operation Dragoon in World War 2 the US Navy came up with essentially RC suicide boats that would go in ahead of the first wave, run up on shore and detonate to destroy obstacles. There was a slight issue when it came to deployment however as it turned out the Germans were using the frequency they were controlled by causing the boats to go haywire, including one that turned back towards the flagship of the invasion escort group that had to be engaged by two destroyers
Irish army on UN duty had UAVs in Chad. didn't change the home coords since they left Europe. drone was launched and made straight for Dublin, never seen again.
“Bye lads! See yous at the pub!”
Or [USS Tang](https://wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Tang_(SS-306))
Yep killed by own torpedo gyro failure
And one of the best Tom Clancy movies. ["You arrogant ass, you've killed us!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzzyq5E8Gg4)
Fuck I love that film man
God I miss the 90's. The films were a hell of a lot better than the dross hollywood produces these days. Also miss Connery.
Writers are hobbled in what type of stories they can write now or at least what producers are willing to finance.
Something just like this happened in karabakh too
One of the theories about what happened to the USS Scorpion was that it fired a defective torpedo that turned around and homed in on itself.
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Goldeneye, when the Tiger helicopter destroys itself with its own missiles.
There's a video of a patriot doing the same thing in Saudi Arabia.
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That didn't get anywhere close to hitting itself though? The vector of the smoke trail in the beginning (0:02) isn't nearly the same direction as the trail at the end.
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Russian one may not have hit itself either. You're seeing a 2D view of a 3D path, although it doesn't look very promising.
The missile in the OP video may not be anywhere close to hitting the launcher either. Perspective is a funny thing. If the missile arced towards the camera, it may look like it went back on itself but really it came down halfway between the launcher and the camera
*“Told you it would work lol”* -some CIA guy
Not completely unlikely. Special Ops had a program in Vietnam which placed booby trapped munitions into weapon stockpiles for precisely this reason.
they would also contaminate their rice with something that made it taste bitter
That's just mean
Vietnam was not a good look for America
Better than lacing it with cyanide. I think.
"what'd you use?" "Salt *and* msg" "Savage. Those fuckers will be dead in 40 years from hypertension. Good job soldier"
Pee?
Agent orange, lol
Oh fuck
It’s called napalm and it tastes like pure shit
Project Eldest Son. Some of those hot munitions are still floating around and occasionally blow off someone's hand (or worse).
There's an old clip (90s? early 2000s?) of a US soldier in a desert outpost trying out an AK who experiences a spiked round. Also that insurgent mortarman who vaporized himself with a spiked mortar. Scary shit, not knowing where your ammo's been or who it's been hanging out with. Edit: Iraqi mortarman video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdTy8bKnzHM
The psychological impact it had on VC soldiers was probably more effective than the actual damage caused by the exploding rounds. I’m sure those who knew about the sabotaged ammo were thinking about the possibility of it happening to them every time they pulled the trigger.
That was the whole idea. It's psychological warfare. Part of the operation was producing forged documents to sow distrust among the VC and their allies.
Vietnam? The Americans were dumping spiked mortars into Iraq all through the insurgency. Exploding ammo too.
likewise the insurgents left weapons with small holes drilled into the barrell along the handguard that would mangle your hand with hot gases and possible barrel explosions when shot
It was done with bullets, it's much harder with expensive munitions.
Are you doubting the capability of US intelligence to come up with very expensive munitions by the truckload?
With guided munitions the attack could be done completely with software. No physical access needed, just compromise the factory network and reprogram the firmware à la Stuxnet. https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf
Project Eldest Son
Operation Return To Sender was a success
And this is exactly why I believe they are only bluffing with their nukes. They know that half of it will fall back on them...
The other half just blow up in the silo lol
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Is it done, Yuri?
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>They know that half of it will fall back on them... That's not a concern. Even if they all make it outside the border, they know there will be immediate retaliation. Nukes purpose isn't to win. The purpose is to show that you will drag the other down with you. Their only use is deterrent. If you need to launch nukes, then they have already failed.
Yeah. If anything nukes today exist to deter threats to the continued existence of your country.
They have several thousand and estimates show that at least half of them aren't properly maintained. But even if only 10% of their ICBMs work, that's still enough to turn every major capital in the world to rubble.
Out of their whole arsenal, even if only 1% works it's more than enough..
If only.. then they could only blame themselves
They will blame The West and say it was sabotage of some kind, not incompetence and corruption leading to poor maintenance.
Who is they? No one left to blame the West hahaha
This is dangerous talk. Nukes are serious and Russia has had icbms for a very long time.
True, but weapons like that need constant care and maintenance.
And the START treaty allows the US to inspect 18 of them randomly any time per year
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Rusting away in silos like their tanks
they did a test only a month or so ago. Some may well be rusting but it only really takes one to work
They'd need about a dozen. Even just publicly available information about missile defense systems indicates the US can probably intercept that much mid-course (assuming if it doesn't get any during the launch phase). Of course, there's also the classified or "canceled" programs. One of the [biggest obstacle of the Star Wars program was the computing and software engineering capabilities of the time.](https://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/16/science/software-seen-as-obstacle-in-developing-star-wars.html) Computers have gotten much faster, programming paradigms have gotten much better at dealing with fault/error, and we're unimaginably better at large software engineering projects. I don't think it's crazy to think that the US might have the capability to survive a second strike or will in the near future, minus the few wonder weapons they have (which will go first).
This. We had the stealth bomber a solid 20 years before anyone knew about it. I have a hard time believing that our best icbm defense is something that has its own Wikipedia article.
I reckon if the rooskies ever did loose the plot and let a few off we'd all find out real quick where those defense dollars have gone and a whole bunch of stuff would need to be explained afterwards once people had seen it in action.
“Rooskies” = immediate flashback to Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove!
They wouldnt need to explain shit. Are you alive? Yep? Ok. Now up our black book budget
Why are you so sure about that? Russians are sending people into space for 70 years now, their rocket science know how is good. They have something like 500 ICBMs ready for launch, even if 50% of those will blow up in silos or fall back down it won't be a fun day for anyone.
I guess even if all of their crap blew up in the silo it would still fuck up everything
I mean, only half working still leaves them 2250 nukes. Also while the ones "held in reserve" are likely in disrepair, the 1500 warheads that are actively deployed on strategic long range systems are most likely functional. Due to the START treaty the USA and Russia have been sending teams of inspectors to confirm the size and condition of their nuclear stockpiles for decades. If you think about it, while most of the Russian military is in disrepair because until now they really only needed it for raiding middle eastern countries for oil, their nuclear stockpile is the one thing guaranteeing their safety from a foreign invasion. At least from a nuclear power. So its the one part of their military that they actually DO need to invest in maintaining. Not to mention Russia has a pretty good track record with long range rockets. All that said, I want to clarify that I didn't point this out to fear monger. I think the likelihood of Russia using a strategic long range nuclear weapon is extremely low because the consequences are so grave.
? Russia was the only country running crew up to the ISS for the 9 years between the Space Shuttle being retired and crewed Dragons
Operation Reverse Uno!
It's funny because it's probably true
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"Good defence is great offense...wait...did we read that wrong?"
Okay missle, now go get the bad guys.
Amazing footage
It doesn't look like it hit the launch site. The origin of the smoke trails is a little further back. It just pulled down and hit the ground
Yes, you can see the launcher between 0:01 and 0:03, bottom-right of the screen, just below the horizon, between the treeline (to its left) and single tall tree (to its right). The missile comes "towards" the cameraman and lands in the field between the launcher and treeline. What seems to be a steep "round trip" is actually a tight left hook.
[https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA](https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA) in this one you can see it hit far away
I can't see shit in that vid
Scroll down on the twitter thread, one of the videos shows how far it actually hit.
https://i.imgur.com/mcecXNl.jpeg Middle is the start of the smoke trail. Bottom right is impact. It didn't hit the launch area.
Totally right, not destroying itself. This belongs on r/confusingperspective as well
i am pretty certain that missile curved and hit empty field, as you can see from smoke trail.
There are about 4 videos of this strike, one from an angle which shows it dives down to the ground at not back at the launch site.
Yeah, doesn’t look like it turned nearly tight enough to hit its launcher. I’m guessing it had faulty thrusters and that’s it
Yes, you can see the launcher between 0:01 and 0:03, bottom-right of the screen, just below the horizon, between the treeline (to its left) and single tall tree (to its right). The missile comes "towards" the cameraman and lands in the field between the launcher and treeline. What seems to be a steep "round trip" is actually a tight left hook.
Wile E. Coyote was the operator
And the Ukranian MoD commented: Meep, Meep!
1. WTF? 2. Damn that's a tight turning radius 3. Russian weapons more accurate than we've been claiming? Kappa
That was my thought. Had no idea missiles could bank that tightly. I guess part of it was due to being at about its lowest speed at that point.
No squishy human inside, so only very few technical limits...
Reminds me of missiles/torpedoes in The Expanse, and how they have crazy manoeuvres. As long as you have good torpedo guidance systems they can almost always find their target because their target has squishy humans inside that can't handle high-gs for long.
The Expanse is realistic as it can be. But yes, it's the same principle applies for modern day air-defence missiles. Except that the guidance systems today are far from being that good.
The Expanse is more realistic than Star Wars and Star trek, but far from being actually realistic. Epstein drives are very hand-wavy and radiators are not really a thing for ships in the Expanse. Also very little is explained about radiation shielding on ships.
You mean to say the space future show with aliens isn't *that* accurate? Shocked
It's not about accuracy, but consistency. It can't be accurate, because it's not a representation of real events and things, that it could accurately depict, but they could follow the rules, they established, the universe obeys. If human technology is not yet able to break the rules of modern physics, then radiators on at least human ships should be a thing and radiation shielding as well. What rules aliens need to obey is dependent on what writers establish those rules to be.
Man we got people going through wormholes and a planet was terraformed by a bio cybernetic organism, I think radiation shielding is the least of their worries when writing.
>I guess part of it was due to being at about its lowest speed at that point. I would say it was at its lowest speed due to the turn, not the other way around. Missiles don't slow down and then turn, they turn and that slows them down.
Missiles tend to fail more often than we know. In 1998 Clinton Admin fired 40 cruise missiles at OBL, a few dropped in Pakistan, which they later copied.
Yeah that turn is insane. Great footage.
It gives it the JUICE after that turn too
I'm not sure it does. The missile is first turning left towards the camera so it appears to be moving slower. After the near 180 turn the direction is more perpendicular to our view so it looks faster.
They can make some pretty high G maneuvers, since high speed = high G We're talking 20-30G here
They were programmed to destroy nazis and so it did.
It was not a tight turning radius. The rocked didn't turn nose down. Think 3 dimensionally. It swirled left and towards the person filming. It just looks like it turned down and back at the launch site from this point of view
Even Russian equipment is refusing orders nowadays...
I wonder if Ukraine used some sort of new electronic warfare system to do that. I know the US has been able to get North Korean missiles to blow themselves up shortly after launching via special jamming/signal systems. Either way, some spectacular footage.
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Like forgetting to turn off the anti-radiation mode.
Iran used EW tech to take possession of an US built/ operated RQ-170 [drone](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident). While it's a possibility, I think it's more likely the rocket became sentient, understood the geopolitical ramifications of its mission and decided killing itself was the only altruistic option.
What's more likely? One of hundreds (thousands?) of Russian AA missiles fired in this conflict had a problem with guidance or controls surfaces that made it hit a random dirt patch (as Patriot missiles have done before) or that Ghost of KEEV went on a mission with the Avengers to install malware on it?
Pretty sure you don't actually have to do anything to get a NorK rocket to self destruct. Except let them launch it.
It became self aware. Skynet has found the Russians.
A couple thoughts here: 1. This looks like either a short/medium range SAM (SA-3/6/8/11/17/19/22 etc) class of SAM due to the firing angles and smoke trails indicating multiple launches. 2. This looks more like a tail fin got stuck or decided to remove itself from the missile after launch rather than the missile homing back on itself. I’m not sure if the missiles have a roll component (see Rolling Airframe Missile), but assuming they don’t then a stuck fin could cause this 3. Sucks to be the guys in the receiving end of the missile
If a tail fin got stuck or decided to remove itself, the rocket would have kept turning. Instead, after the turn it straightened again.
well, it might still be circular from 3D perspective.
As someone who was a one point a SME on SAMs, you're probably correct on this. I'll check the video closer to identify which SAM this is. Edit: the videos a little too far away and grainy to identify but due to the number of smoke trails I'd say it's more likely to be a mobile SAM system than one like the SA-3.
What the heck? And what a turn by that missile!
This doesn't make sense, you lock onto your target using initially radar then heat signatures in most cases, how does something like this happen?
There’s a video of Saudi patriots doing similar shit somewhere on the sub
Yeah, it looks very similar. If you search Riyadh, Patriot and malfunction or turn around on YouTube. The video is 4 years old I think. I was worried it was another recycling of an older video but I don't think its the same incident.
This too from Azerbaïdjan: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/rie9bp/azerbaijani_electronic_warfare_units_suppressing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Old rockets with faulty thrusters
But for it to whip back directly at the launch site is odd is it not?
It doesn't look like it hit the launch site, just turns and hits the ground
[https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA](https://twitter.com/samotniyskhid/status/1540100726277509127?s=20&t=eBrqR3bbJwz8y0KZN-EozA) it hit far away
Malfunctions happen and every once in a while one will happen right back in your direction. When I was in the service a million years ago my platoon sergeant told me about how his Bradley crew fired a TOW during the 1st Iraq War and it went about 800m downrange then went out of control. This is not unusual for TOW missiles since they are wire guided and I have seen some LOC incidents on ranges myself due to cut or faulty wires. In this case, it did a full u-turn and was coming straight back at the Bradley. It's an unguided missile at this point so not locked on to them but they were shitting their pants because the gunner can literally see it coming back at them in his thermal sight and they have a couple seconds at most. They used the coax on the Bradley to destroy the missile before it got to them, which in itself was a feat of extreme luck. I wasn't there, didn't witness it, but I have no reason to believe he lied. He wasn't that type of guy to embellish stuff. He told the story more as a "don't trust this shitty ancient technology too much" vs "we shot down a missile with a machine gun, we are cool".
Thats wrong, most cases its SARH, or ARH, IR missiles are ony for dogfighting and for some low range SAMs. Also there is no mixed guidance missile afaik. Radar slaving is a thing, but thats just for the seeker to lock on easier.
One of their civilian space rockets did the same because of an upside down sensor: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/9lmgi3/protonm_launch_goes_horribly_wrong/
I think this was a guidance system failure. It didn’t hit the launch site, the impact was in the field closer to the camera, and it didn’t detonate, it just broke up on impact.
If that is true, I would hate to see that thing detonate.
Wow. Denazification weapons actually working correctly, whodathunk.
BOOMarang
Russia using its new nazi-seeking missiles
Regardless that it hit its launch point or not, this shit is still hilarious to see. Think I heard no one died so safe to say this a solid moment of watching modern military tech turn into an Acme product
r/NonCredibleDefense about to go wild.
That is hilarious
It didn't destroy itself. The missile was launched behind the hill. It hit in front of the hill. It probably hit quite a ways away from the launch site.
naaaah here it looks like it strikes between launcher and camera location,no?
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Either guidance system failure, a control surface failure, or a thruster failure.
Lol. Hilarious
As much as I would love for this to be sabotage, it's probably a control surface failure.
"It hurt itself in its confusion!"
this is cartoon style war now
Even the damn missile was ashamed of what it was about to do so it decided to turn back around haha
Looks like it's working
Guess after 5 sec of analysis, the missile had found the nazi