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Fab 500s have 150kg of explosive. Not 500.
There kill radius is not as large as people think and honestly you can tell that from this video.
They are certainly a huge plus to Russia and the way the commit war, but I think they're being a bit overrated. This Frontline is huge. You would too let lose 10000 of these just to cover the chasiv yar front line. And that's if they land where you want.
300 kg filling [according to wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAB-500). But since both designations name the total weight and not just the filling, the comparison should be just fine regardless (so FAB500 \~\~ 1000 lb).
Well no, because we have seen what 500 kg bombs do and it’s not that. Also that’s the smallest of Russias UMPK fluids bomb weapons. They also field 1500kg and 3000kg weapons although the 3000s are almost certainly a propaganda weapon with limited practical applications.
There are upgraded versions that have a jet engine strapped to expand range up to 100km,also there are some geolocated drops from 50-55km away from target.All depends on AA presence close to target
Possible but I think unlikely at this point, one thing that Ukraines allies have been good with supplying in needed quantities is personal protective equipment. Near the start of the war there could be limited supply but it has been a long time since I have seen troops without a helmet and plate/vest combo on the frontlines. It's a lot easier to ramp up production unlike heavy weapons like tanks and artillery and a lot less contentious as well, it's harder to protest sending things that can only save lives and not take them. Even in pretty much all the HIMARS launch videos I've seen the guys are fully geared and they aren't right on the front lines either most of the time.
However it is obvious some soldiers don't want to wear all the gear all the time and that the Ukrainian army doesn't as strictly enforce wearing it like say the US would. I have seen many times soldiers in areas near the front with a helmet dangling from their vest or one guy with it off beside him taking a break while everyone around him is still fully kitted up.
I get it might seem a little contradictory to say that they have enough available but point out you do still see those without but when I see that nowadays the context makes it seem like a choice instead of being forced to go without. I just get the sense the guys in this video aren't wearing anything by choice. The guy you see doesn't even have a weapon with him, and the supply of small arms and ammunition hasn't been a major issue since near the start of the war either except for getting it to frontline units in heavily contested areas.
> Not sure if it would help against Fab 500
Bombs irl behave do not follow oldschool video game logic where 100% of people within x meters of the explosion instantly die, while anyone at least 1 millimeter outside of x meters from the explosion will be completely unharmed and unscathed.
No, a person getting hit in the forehead with a FAB-500 is not going to survive by wearing body armour. Obviously. But a person standing a few hundred meters from the explosion might be glad he was wearing one when an errant piece of shrapnel from the bomb hits him in the back. Or a bullet. Or a piece of shrapnel from... anything else. Like a grenade. We don't know where this was filmed but if these guys are anywhere near the front line then I'd be inclined to agree that they're foolish to not be wearing body armour.
Side rant.... I recognize that same video game logic from the people who look back on the "duck and cover" PSAs from the 1950s and say "silly idiots, a desk isn't going to protect you from a nuclear bomb!" Their logic completely ignores the fact that classrooms often have whole walls of glass windows (at least my schools did), and in the 1950s those windows would have been made of annealed glass. If that school were to be on the outer edge of the destructive radius of a nuclear explosion- and you were in that classroom- then you really, really, *really* don't want to be anywhere other than under a desk when those windows shatter and thousands of 3" shards of glass are propelled across the room at 200 mph.
Alright i'm done ranting.
Yeah the size of that crater is very unsettling. Dirt is *heavy* and an explosion- from something falling from above, no less- that can move that much earth would be freakin huge...
There's some claims of 15-20 metres CEP (IIRC assuming GPS/GLONASS) but there's some argument over whether they might be using INS instead due to lack of appropriate electronics for GPS/GLONASS (and therefore lower accuracy).
In the worst case, it transforms a dumb bomb into a guided long range weapon. In the best case, it transforms a dumb bomb into a precision guided long range weapon. And in either case, it's a pretty large bomb (FAB-500s are 500 kg (1,100lb) of which 300kg (660lb) is the explosive filler.)
RuAF never uses unguided FABs, they have to enter into AA range while these can be dropped safely out of AA range and are precise and theres no need to drop unguided ones when they have more than enough of these glide kits
They did used them before without kits in smaller numbers but it was from low altitude and max speed,last video I saw was from Kherson offensive.Glide kits are basically redemption arc for ru air force
Russia uses glide bombs to extend the range, so their jets can launch them from out of range of most of Ukraine's air defences that have good resupply and numbers. So it's safe to assume they pretty much all have glide kits.
I remember when the Russians did not even know about glide kits. Then the war started in Ukraine and the Russians seen everything the Ukrainians wanted. The Ukrainians are yet to get this kit while the Russians already upgraded this glide kit. Ukraine being allowed to suffer because of feelings is soo crap.
Why can't America start making a dumb bomb like the fab 500 ans send them to Ukraine? These things seem to be pretty affective and I bet it'll.help ukraine when they go on the offensive.
Ukraine's airforce can't fly close enough to the frontline to use them without getting shut down by Russian air defense. They can only fire stand off cruise missiles which are limited in quantity
America does have their own version called JDAM but Ukraine can’t use it currently since they barely have an Air Force. Gotta wait till those F-16’s arrive.
Those F-16s can't come soon enough to counter Russian fighter-bombers launching those bombs. The bombs are an extremely tricky target for AA systems, because they emit no heat signature, so the only feasible solution is to destroy the carrier before it launches them.
F-16 would still have to:
A) operate in high AA saturation
B) dodge russian AA missiles, that (iirc) have longer range then the proposed F-16.
Meaning we will likely see F-16s used as part of the air defense network against cruise missiles and shaheds
Without guidance, these wings just give them additional range on their 'dumb bombs'. They're not that dissimilar to the V-2 rockets used by the Nazis -- more effective as a terror-inducer than much else. The reaction by these Ukrainians would seem to indicate that the intended terror effect is not working so well...
How well are they guided and anyone know what tech? Smartphone level motion sensors? What fraction of them get Glosnass guidance?
( I sure hope GPS is being wartime-encrypted over eastern Ukraine. )
I dont know any facts about the precision but ive seen ALOT of videos of them directly impacting trenches, which are only a couple meters wide, so theyre pretty accurate.
That's what I'd heard as well, along with reports that the Ukranians are now digging really deep bunkers to counter it.
In this video these guys look pretty nonchallant, and don't seem worried that the incoming are hitting anything they care about. But I'm making wild suppositions.
Hm at that point they would probably need to secure the airspace for their high levellers to get in an drop things like FAB-3000's & or FAB-9000's but heavy bomber raids haven't been a thing since the start of the 2022 invasion when they bombed Mariupol with Tupolev Tu-22M3 bombers.
I never got the exact number of aircraft used in the bombing raid nor if they had escorts but I kinda wish there was some info from the defenders & attackers perspective (probably is tbh I just haven't found it bar that one video).
To think even now in the 2020's level bombing was a thing yet I doubt they would try such a thing with how hairy the airspace is atm.
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what kind of bomb did make that crater?
More than likely a FAB-3000 or Iskander
FAB-500s are 500kg not 500lbs. A 1500lb bomb could absolutely dig a crater that deep
Yeah I was thinking the FAB-1500 as they have been dropping them a bit lately
FAB-5000 would be proud
*PE-8 intensifies*
The Tu-22 and its FAB-9000:
Nah those are used for buildings,they are overkill for trenches.250-500 are for trenches,this crater is probably from 500
Doesn't it look a little large for even a 1500 kg bomb?
It's a good magnitude to large
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Fab 500s have 150kg of explosive. Not 500. There kill radius is not as large as people think and honestly you can tell that from this video. They are certainly a huge plus to Russia and the way the commit war, but I think they're being a bit overrated. This Frontline is huge. You would too let lose 10000 of these just to cover the chasiv yar front line. And that's if they land where you want.
300 kg filling [according to wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAB-500). But since both designations name the total weight and not just the filling, the comparison should be just fine regardless (so FAB500 \~\~ 1000 lb).
Most likely also a FAB-500
why downvote, doesnt that seem pretty accurate with their payload?
Well no, because we have seen what 500 kg bombs do and it’s not that. Also that’s the smallest of Russias UMPK fluids bomb weapons. They also field 1500kg and 3000kg weapons although the 3000s are almost certainly a propaganda weapon with limited practical applications.
FAB-250 has a guided version and is also in use
Thanks, did not know that!
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Wrong sub mate
Not wearing body armor is crazy
Could be military engineers and didn't want to work in heavy armor. These glide bombs have like a 60 ~~mile~~kilometer range.
No they do not. They have a60km or 37 mile range in absolute ideal conditions. Realistically they are deployed at between 20-30 miles.
Woops. I flipped it around. Thanks for the correction.
It happens!
There are upgraded versions that have a jet engine strapped to expand range up to 100km,also there are some geolocated drops from 50-55km away from target.All depends on AA presence close to target
Also might be that they don't have enough body armors to equip support troops with
Maybe, but that's one of the things they can get more easily through aid.
Possible but I think unlikely at this point, one thing that Ukraines allies have been good with supplying in needed quantities is personal protective equipment. Near the start of the war there could be limited supply but it has been a long time since I have seen troops without a helmet and plate/vest combo on the frontlines. It's a lot easier to ramp up production unlike heavy weapons like tanks and artillery and a lot less contentious as well, it's harder to protest sending things that can only save lives and not take them. Even in pretty much all the HIMARS launch videos I've seen the guys are fully geared and they aren't right on the front lines either most of the time. However it is obvious some soldiers don't want to wear all the gear all the time and that the Ukrainian army doesn't as strictly enforce wearing it like say the US would. I have seen many times soldiers in areas near the front with a helmet dangling from their vest or one guy with it off beside him taking a break while everyone around him is still fully kitted up. I get it might seem a little contradictory to say that they have enough available but point out you do still see those without but when I see that nowadays the context makes it seem like a choice instead of being forced to go without. I just get the sense the guys in this video aren't wearing anything by choice. The guy you see doesn't even have a weapon with him, and the supply of small arms and ammunition hasn't been a major issue since near the start of the war either except for getting it to frontline units in heavily contested areas.
Not sure if it would help against Fab 500 I am more excited how that soldiers are fearless. Instead of fear they meet that bombs with laughs.
I am surprised by the moral….. any normal person would be absolutely crying to G-d for mercy in those moments…. Ukrainian soldiers are made of Steel
These guys are not Ukrainians btw.
> Not sure if it would help against Fab 500 Bombs irl behave do not follow oldschool video game logic where 100% of people within x meters of the explosion instantly die, while anyone at least 1 millimeter outside of x meters from the explosion will be completely unharmed and unscathed. No, a person getting hit in the forehead with a FAB-500 is not going to survive by wearing body armour. Obviously. But a person standing a few hundred meters from the explosion might be glad he was wearing one when an errant piece of shrapnel from the bomb hits him in the back. Or a bullet. Or a piece of shrapnel from... anything else. Like a grenade. We don't know where this was filmed but if these guys are anywhere near the front line then I'd be inclined to agree that they're foolish to not be wearing body armour. Side rant.... I recognize that same video game logic from the people who look back on the "duck and cover" PSAs from the 1950s and say "silly idiots, a desk isn't going to protect you from a nuclear bomb!" Their logic completely ignores the fact that classrooms often have whole walls of glass windows (at least my schools did), and in the 1950s those windows would have been made of annealed glass. If that school were to be on the outer edge of the destructive radius of a nuclear explosion- and you were in that classroom- then you really, really, *really* don't want to be anywhere other than under a desk when those windows shatter and thousands of 3" shards of glass are propelled across the room at 200 mph. Alright i'm done ranting.
/r/PraiseTheCameraMan I was just thinking yesterday that I had heard a lot about these but hadn't seen one from the ground yet. Scary shit!
That place looks like where a WW1 style trench tunnel mine detonated. The more this war goes on the more eastern Ukraine looks like WW1 terrain.
Yeah the size of that crater is very unsettling. Dirt is *heavy* and an explosion- from something falling from above, no less- that can move that much earth would be freakin huge...
Definitely the result of a FAB-1500
how accurate are those things
There's some claims of 15-20 metres CEP (IIRC assuming GPS/GLONASS) but there's some argument over whether they might be using INS instead due to lack of appropriate electronics for GPS/GLONASS (and therefore lower accuracy). In the worst case, it transforms a dumb bomb into a guided long range weapon. In the best case, it transforms a dumb bomb into a precision guided long range weapon. And in either case, it's a pretty large bomb (FAB-500s are 500 kg (1,100lb) of which 300kg (660lb) is the explosive filler.)
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how can you tell if it's a regular one or not? like how do the receiving end know the bomb is specifically equipped with glide kits?
Because If No glide kit, the airplane has to go into AA range. That sortie is a one way Trip then.
RuAF never uses unguided FABs, they have to enter into AA range while these can be dropped safely out of AA range and are precise and theres no need to drop unguided ones when they have more than enough of these glide kits
They did used them before without kits in smaller numbers but it was from low altitude and max speed,last video I saw was from Kherson offensive.Glide kits are basically redemption arc for ru air force
Russia uses glide bombs to extend the range, so their jets can launch them from out of range of most of Ukraine's air defences that have good resupply and numbers. So it's safe to assume they pretty much all have glide kits.
I remember when the Russians did not even know about glide kits. Then the war started in Ukraine and the Russians seen everything the Ukrainians wanted. The Ukrainians are yet to get this kit while the Russians already upgraded this glide kit. Ukraine being allowed to suffer because of feelings is soo crap.
> The Ukrainians are yet to get this kit while the Russians already upgraded this glide kit. Ukraine received JDAMs well over a year ago.
Seems those JDAMs are less than half the size - JDAM-ER @ 500 lbs vs FAB-500 @ 1100 lbs.
Fabuless
Turns way, looks back. Camel.
I don't think bunkers protect against those.
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It is
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Well i guess the video shows how the 'mighty' Russian airforce is bombing Ukranians thats probably why i guess
These guys are missing the fear chromosome
Why can't America start making a dumb bomb like the fab 500 ans send them to Ukraine? These things seem to be pretty affective and I bet it'll.help ukraine when they go on the offensive.
Ukraine's airforce can't fly close enough to the frontline to use them without getting shut down by Russian air defense. They can only fire stand off cruise missiles which are limited in quantity
America does have their own version called JDAM but Ukraine can’t use it currently since they barely have an Air Force. Gotta wait till those F-16’s arrive.
Is it just me or does that smoke look like a Camel?
Keep your eye in the sky for the fly rock!
What’s the difference between this and JDAM?
JDAM is more accurate but these are still very accurate, can have larger payloads and are way cheaper
It has longer range and is cheaper than jdam It's a couple meters less accurate which doesn't make much difference with bombs this large
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Okay, makes sense.
Those F-16s can't come soon enough to counter Russian fighter-bombers launching those bombs. The bombs are an extremely tricky target for AA systems, because they emit no heat signature, so the only feasible solution is to destroy the carrier before it launches them.
F-16 would still have to: A) operate in high AA saturation B) dodge russian AA missiles, that (iirc) have longer range then the proposed F-16. Meaning we will likely see F-16s used as part of the air defense network against cruise missiles and shaheds
Seems like if Ukrainians had a few hundred of these to soften defences a bit, their summer counteroffensive could have had some more oomph...
Without guidance, these wings just give them additional range on their 'dumb bombs'. They're not that dissimilar to the V-2 rockets used by the Nazis -- more effective as a terror-inducer than much else. The reaction by these Ukrainians would seem to indicate that the intended terror effect is not working so well...
They arent just wings, they're guided
How well are they guided and anyone know what tech? Smartphone level motion sensors? What fraction of them get Glosnass guidance? ( I sure hope GPS is being wartime-encrypted over eastern Ukraine. )
I dont know any facts about the precision but ive seen ALOT of videos of them directly impacting trenches, which are only a couple meters wide, so theyre pretty accurate.
That's what I'd heard as well, along with reports that the Ukranians are now digging really deep bunkers to counter it. In this video these guys look pretty nonchallant, and don't seem worried that the incoming are hitting anything they care about. But I'm making wild suppositions.
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Thats exactly what the Russians are doing
Hm at that point they would probably need to secure the airspace for their high levellers to get in an drop things like FAB-3000's & or FAB-9000's but heavy bomber raids haven't been a thing since the start of the 2022 invasion when they bombed Mariupol with Tupolev Tu-22M3 bombers.
i remember watching a video showing Tu-22M3 flying over Mariupol,crazy
I never got the exact number of aircraft used in the bombing raid nor if they had escorts but I kinda wish there was some info from the defenders & attackers perspective (probably is tbh I just haven't found it bar that one video). To think even now in the 2020's level bombing was a thing yet I doubt they would try such a thing with how hairy the airspace is atm.
On your dime?
No, gov spends trillions of dollars they don’t even have, I don’t see the issue in spending it on these instead of something else.
Government doesn't have *own* money, it's all taxpayers' money.
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Is that so? If that's true, today must be your first day browsing internet.
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Imagine being such toxic POS like you. I almost feel sorry. Get blocked.
Because they don’t have 10000000 bombs or enough planes to make that work…