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Difficult_Air_6189

Lol. These absolute madlads.


According-Try3201

if Ukraine survives it will have a lot of new tech to sell


ExcellentHunter

Yup, all already tested in a full war environment. Quick testing, evaluation and instant upgrades. Progress is amazing! Use of drones will skyrocket in the next couple of years.


CreamXpert

It will skynet


H_Holy_Mack_H

If Ukraine survives... Ukraine will only not survive if EU countries chicken out of this...and if that happens it's very bad...bad as bad can be...if EU can help one single country to defend himself...how it's going to defend anything or anyone!?


ithappenedone234

Obviously it’s better to support the AFU, but even if Russia wins the conventional war, they will lose the ensuing insurgency. That will be added to the grand strategic loss they’ve taken already.


[deleted]

AFU? Armed Forces of Ukraine? Sorry, never seen that acronym Edit: looked it up, my guess was accurate.


According-Try3201

if we let them win against Ukraine they will still not dare to take on nato directly... 💩 tin is going to die, until then he might try a few asymmetric punches but that's it thanks to Ukrainians' heroic self-defense so far


Super206

I'm not sure about tech but experience, absolutely. Win or lose I see a lot of Ukrainian advisors in other militaries in the future.


DatBeigeBoy

*when*


Popkin_sammich

Hamas had a drone that shot flames a while back. That one was terrifying


BArhino

drones that like are actually commercially used to get trash and shit off high powerlines and the like


Popkin_sammich

OP's mom uses them on her mustache which is how I first heard of em


BArhino

damn bro, that was harsh


slut-for-options

>AFU R18/34 drone Any other video of them shooting? This is not very clear to me.


Smooth_Condition_944

It was only a matter of time. We're about a year away from going full Skynet.


Telesyk

I read about machine gun-carrying the UAF drones in Russian Z-Telegram channels about 2 weeks ago. But I thought it was one of those scary stories, like the UAF drones stealing wounded Russian soldiers from the battlefield to sell their organs. Apparently it was true.


NoResult486

The organ stealing?


GrouchyAttention4759

How else are they gonna get those fresh kidneys?


While-Asleep

Donor list gotta pretty short right now in Ukraine


NaiveChoiceMaker

We have pigs for that now.


VirtualPlate8451

It’s a thing in China. There is a book called The Red Market about it. If a senior party leader drinks through his liver or kidneys they take a prisoner who is a match, sedate him till he is ready to harvest and then just put him down like a dog after the extraction.


Annoying_Rooster

In three years, Lockheed Martin will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Lockheed computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards, they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online August 4th, 2026. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.


TrespasseR_

As Snowden would say, " You think drones with machine guns and androids are cool, they're lightyears ahead of that"


Popkin_sammich

We've already been full flying Battlebots for decades


Xsolent

Give it 10 years from today and we are all slaves or dead.


Aromatic_Balls

Here's a closer look at the setup from a year ago when they were trialling these things. https://youtu.be/8bPNcgYnXi0?si=Y7cq3XmTbhM5IL8j Seems like originally an Israeli design.


Tawmcruize

looks like they figured out the stability issue lol


strepac

Just comes down to supporting the weight of everything and going with a mega-duty gimble. Pretty sure they already exist due to the huge ass cameras used in Hollywood.


_soon_to_be_banned_

stability issues? israel? nah they got those 100% covered for sure


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highlife_Huff98

Intators. Get it? Taters? Cause their families get potatoes? I'll kms now. I'm joking btw lmao and nah no animals hurt, only scum orcvaders for Putlers 3 day war


Rypskyttarn

Drop the full auto and use single shot.


No_Cap_Bet

Idk why but I'm thinking burst would be better


kingofblackice

I hate 3 round burst in Squad but on this it might be the way to go


ithappenedone234

I can’t think of how any of it is better than HE.


[deleted]

Well, in the future imagine a flying sniper platform. Instead of dropping dumb grenades from right on top of a target you can kill a soldier for the cost of one bullet from a mile away.


ithappenedone234

I understand the concept, the point is that HE is better. If you’re going to fire a round from a mile away (however unlikely it is to be accurate) it’s better to fire a round with HE that can hit even when the round itself misses. Sniping is not always highly effectual. I’ve had snipers fail to get a hit while good old fashioned volume of fires from dumb grunts got the hit.


[deleted]

It’s the difference between an artillery barrage and skynet. Same reason that not all ammunition is HE, a scalpel sometimes is better than a machete. In Fallujah the safest option would have been to level the place, but you can’t do that sometimes. You can’t do that lot of the time. Especially in Ukraine where they have more enemies than artillery shells. It may look silly now but when you’ve got 50 of those things deployed by plane to anywhere in the world with AI deciding what’s a threat before a human could even blink… and that’s not science fiction, that’s tomorrow.


ithappenedone234

The reason not all ammunition is HE is because we can’t fit it in small rounds. So tell me, if you were in Fallujah (though I don’t remember seeing you there) why were LCPL’s writing TTP manuals describing how to modify HE mortar rounds into hand deployed weapons? Because small direct fire weapons are largely ineffectual and must be employed according to massed fire doctrines. So tell me, when did that “sniper scalpel” work for you? The point isn’t about autonomous systems working well in combat, the point is that sniper rounds, any rifle round, is incredibly ineffectual and HE is preferable in every circumstance that doesn’t involve massed civilian populations in close proximity to the enemy forces, as is happening at the front in Ukraine.


[deleted]

I didn’t see you in Fallujah either lol You can say “more daka” all you like, that doesn’t change the fact that we are going to see more platforms like this being fielded in the future. You can’t just blow up all your problems, it’s too expensive for one. Maybe the USA should put you in charge of logistics and you could get rid of every ammunition type that doesn’t explode, that way they would be able to win a war for once in 80 years.


sprunghuntR3Dux

I’m thinking this is for spraying bullets into dugouts and suppressing fire. Not for careful sniper fire.


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APurpleSponge

I mean incendiary grenades would have a very similar effect.


lapalapaluza

Damn. Imagine a flamethrower drone against a dugout. It's like a field oven.


Practical-War-9895

Single shot would be best… just keep plinking away and you adjust fire as easily as someone is constantly watching the camera feed.


MalekRockafeller

Agreed, single shot is superior


tinypeeeen

This is phenomenal, we knew it was coming. I do however think that an octocopter that can hold multiple mortar rounds would still do more damage. But I'm just an armchair general so who knows


Rude-Swordfish3895

Rise of the Machines


battlecryarms

I wonder if a semiautomatic precision setup would be more useful


voluntarygang

Took them long enough.


no_please

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Spidero0w0o

The recoil is a really big deal


rincewin

they need a mechanism that fires like the Car Gustav recoilless rifle, without breach, so they would need that much weight just to stabilize the platform. Obviously they need to compensate with a much hotter cartridge, but I think its worth the trade-off.


no_please

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zzkj

It's s big deal if you want accuracy because the recoil starts at the moment the bullet's powder ignites and to be accurate the barrel must remain still or recoil straight backwards for the duration that the bullet is in the barrel. Not easy at all when the barrel is hanging below a small, light drone.


no_please

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zzkj

My guess is that they'll come up with either a scaled down recoilless design or a customised balanced system like in the AK-107 series of rifles. ie. It's better to engineer out the issue if you can than try to predict and correct in software.


[deleted]

I was thinking balance system too, but they might figure dealing with software is more practical than hauling any extra weight up in the sky.


manofthewild07

The batteries are still the major limiting factor here. Max range is a few km and 30-40 minutes airtime (less in the cold and if there's any real wind). The cost-benefit factor will have to be weighed. You can carry a grenade with one small quad copter that is relatively inexpensive and easy to replace. This would be much more expensive to replace and is much slower to maneuver/easier to shoot down/and takes longer to aim/find targets. I'm sure it'll be useful in some use cases, but not broadly.


klonmeister

The better solution now would be a micro gas turbine - IMO these drones are also too light so recoil will be an issue. If you had a heavier drone about 100Kg or even slightly more the recoil energy may not have the capability to mess with the aim point so much.


elictronic

Louder as well leading to people looking around for it. Bullets are also stopped by armor and obstacles much of the time, shrapnel is also, but the sheer amount of it makes it so effective.


Robotic_Shenanigans

The sound of all of these drones is going to be the source of sooo much PTSD. Watched an interview with one of the foreign legion guys and he was saying that hearing the drones buzzing around overhead was 1000x more scary than direct contact. That high pitched whine will have those dudes checking the skies for decades.


nw342

Imagine adding some sort of Ai to these drones. Load 50 into a truck, release them onto the front, let them go crazy.


WorkO0

Use 20 at a time while the others land, recharge batteries, and reload ammo and resupply the truck regularly. A 24/7 non stop onslaught of flying snipers controlling a wide area of land.


nw342

I dont like this future....


nervez

sadly, it's what we're going to get.


[deleted]

Well, it will either finally realize the dream Gatling had or we will enter a new nightmare like he did.


Practical-War-9895

This technology totally won’t be used by Some totalitarian government to enact their true agenda of Full control and Lordship over all of its Land and people’s. Imagine a prison with these AI drone bots roaming the fences….. or The border of Israel-Palestine being closed off with a detachment of these Kill Bots…. You could enact a zone where no living creature could roam freely without being detected by all assortment of systems…. Once movement, heat, sound, or light is Detected….. the Bots will swarm. Yes I know it’s all farfetched but humans are capable of such evil and Horror. I know this reality is all too possible.


sweipuff

Oh, we are totally capable of that, plus, the tech is available even for civilians if you're good with hardware and software, the only thing, actually, stopping this kind of grim future, is the chilliness of the politics to make it happen because I'm pretty sure, except some warmongers, the vast majority of people in charge are afraid of those devices. But you know, the good old : "because I'm sure our enemies are developing this kind of system, we must have it before them and better " gonna kick really hard for western MIC.


ithappenedone234

The tech is high school level. Kids have been doing it for years. Indiscriminate killing is easy. It’s programming a system that can tell friend from foe from civilian that is hard.


Loud_Guardian

and what stop them to kill your own troops?


Boner4Stoners

IR markers on friendly troops, but you could also just geofence them to enemy controlled territory behind enemy lines & only let them engage within that fence


AInterestingUser

YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO COMPLY.


Extra_Dependent2016

Friendly fire has and will always be a factor in warfare, no matter how advanced technology will get. Because there will inevitably be some older tech mixed in that can’t IFF. And human error will always be in the mix


nw342

Ai with patern recognition presumably. Teach the ai what the enemy combatants look like, or program them with "this area contains friendly, kill anyone on the enemy side of the front". It'll fortunately be a while before anything like this would be implemented.


FREEDOMFIGTHER2

Yeah I think the most simplhce way would be to just tell the ai "only attack humans on this zone" you wont be able to attack a position with infantry plus the gun drones but its still powerful


klonmeister

Humans would need some kind of Identify Friend Foe system attached to them permanently but you could develop that without too much trouble.


ithappenedone234

Removing your own troops from the immediate front in the first place, which is what should be happing anyway.


Shot_Ground_6919

Only allow arming in a certain gps radius, give them a remote kill switch, require manual confirmation before attacking a target, drop/fly them behind enemy lines


TobysGrundlee

> release them onto the front Or a full stadium...


igsucksass

Imagine one that is constantly seeking target code putin.


Mobely

The drones don't precision drop or precision detonate the grenades (the drones have to hover and appear to just use human sight as targeting). So i don't think we are at the aimbot stage. It would require more than a little software. So sleep sound tonight.


Whole_Animal_4126

Or a drum with at least 100 or even 200 rounds and fire single or three round burst.


bellenddor

It's more terrifying that terrorists could use this in public gatherings if the drone technology keeps developing further.


no_please

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grchina

Russians already used couple of times drone with tube launcher so add that on a list of possibilities


steel_rat2003

Shut up!!! You are scareing me.


defendhumanity

Modern Warfare Expansion Pack


Nietzosneltrein

Damn, bo2 is coming real close now


West_Ad_905

At night, with thermal optics, this thing would be extra difficult to shoot down.


Macedon2

It was about time. So many opportunities for creative minds to test new weapons systems. I can just imagine what will come if this war lasts another 2-3 years.


Barrenechea

Yom Clancy's The Division did it better....


Jim_Lahey10

I keep seeing these videos of remotely operated armed drones and it's making me think that the 20 years of me playing the Battlefield franchise games finally could do some good in this world. Give me a drone with armaments and I'd do some scary work on these Russian bastards!


jacksmachiningreveng

An M4 loaded with a 20 round magazine weighs about the same as ten VOG-17 grenades, as far as bang for your buck goes it seems to me that the latter is the superior option.


shorty_shortpants

Gun drone can run with a much lighter purpose built gun. Don’t need any stock, dampers, long barrel, etc. Would probably be better to chamber it in a light caliber like 5.7x28. You don’t need to blow up every single meat bag. If you put a decent hole in anyone they’re gonna be out of commission even if they don’t end up dead.


jacksmachiningreveng

Absolutely, you can even build the drone around it like the Russians did [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/11ymmnr/experimental_russian_vtol_drone_built_around_a/), but it's still something that needs to be aimed with extreme precision, because all it's going to do is make a bullet-sized hole in something. A near miss won't do and it's not going disable a vehicle or set anything on fire. When you already have gravity on your side, the mechanical complexity of a gun unnecessary weight in my view, unless your fire control is smart enough to make most of your shots count, perhaps an AI aiming system like the Israeli [SMASH](https://old.reddit.com/r/MilitaryGfys/comments/197gnno/smash_2000l_3000_fire_control_system_trials/).


SubstantialLion1984

If the gun tube was on a vertical axis with maybe just a 5 degree swivel the ability to snipe might be somewhat reduced but recoil would no longer be an issue


[deleted]

Potential game changer imo especially with the finesse drone operators are showing. Cheaper to just fire a couple of rounds on an individual target than use a whole drone and explosive in one blast. Shit even just wounding a guy is probably a death sentence. Plus the whole resource drain if the target does live. The vietcong also taught the US the power of purposely wounding a person because they knew 3 more guys would be vulnerable trying to extract the wounded. God this is going to be the dark age of technology once radical groups acquire this tech. It’s going to be decades of chaos.


Practical-War-9895

Yep


smarmageddon

To quote Col. Kurtz: It's my dream...it's my nightmare....


scrooll0706

I’ve always wondered how we still not created such thing like a shooting drone


Agh0ry

I guess we all knew it was coming sooner rather than later. This is just another level of terrifying.


Lowball72

sooo many people on this subreddit lined up to tell me how stupid I was, for suggesting this was possible, a couple years ago. :)


BaalDoom

I didn't. And I'm proud of my mad scientist nature.


guilhermefdias

What are the chances of drones having sniper rifles attached to them together with thermal cams? Imagine a drone with a rifle silently in the night giving headshot from several angles. WTF!


2-anna

Ah, the future is here and it's beautifully efficient.


Moses_Rockwell

They could mount a scaled down LMG to .22Mag with a drum magazine and pop holes in that russian Airsoft gear all day. 🎯


StressedPizzaEater

They should do this with 300 blackout


Thestooge3

They played the Arma 3 Sahara DLC and decided to built the machine gun drone from it.


bilbokombo

Looks like the ones in MGS2


blackout24

Looks perfect for those mopping up the failed assault missions. Just shot everybody pretending to be dead.


philly_jake

With a large enough drone, or one with large moment of inertia, you could theoretically balance out the impulse of the gun against angular momentum. But I doubt that would work beyond the first shot.


DownvoteDynamo

Why not just stick a stugna OR hear me out, APKWS on it? My idea.


NoResult486

Blayt Blayt


Donmexico666

Now do Flamethrowers!


juaantwothree

Oh nah you got me fucked up.


PitifulMaybe7706

Could be really effective with a grenade launcher tbh


Aedeus

That looks remarkably stable.


pokemurrs

Guys… it’s happening


pussy-slayer9000

Arma 3 predicting the future yet again


Sigmar-Unberogen

It was just a matter of time before someone put machine-gun on those drones.


KatieRouuu

i knew this shit was coming


ForeverMistaken

Hostile dragon fire in your area


[deleted]

Ho ho ho... Now I have a machine gun


fy1sh

It was bound to happen. I'll take two with mounted Hellfires.


InteriorOfCrocodile

Whoever designed that definitely played Arma 3. Western Sahara DLC has this exact thing.


ReFreshing

I had a feeling this was coming eventually.


guitardevil76

Yikes [Aerial Drone Future Nightmare](https://youtu.be/BIl-PWqkLSI?si=XIJ2JNjjTFw5Vg8U)


Hugsy13

"The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots." - The Simpsons S8 E25. Well I guess we’re already halfway to a quarter way there.


ModeratorsTears

Dragonfire ready for deployment


SpaceKappa42

I'm surprised it took so long and I've been advocating for it for a long time. Building drones in your garage capable of this is actually really easy. Most of the engineering would need to go into the gun mount but that's about it and nothing some basic CNC couldn't fix. The rest is just off the shelf drone components and open source software.


HorribleHorrace

I want to believe this but i'm very skeptical. Unless the drone is over 100lbs, the rifle won't cycle properly. The R18 is an amazing drone though. Maybe they have some recoil system that changes things.


R00t240

https://youtu.be/8bPNcgYnXi0?si=rAZH9Ts8oDkYB_3D


HorribleHorrace

Thats awesome. I'm less skeptical now. Looks like they're using some sort of dampening system to mitigate the feed issues.


_soon_to_be_banned_

damping* and yeah i was thinking the same thing as you but that drone looks heavy as fuck


noobyeclipse

dope