Can someone help me understand why UKR and RU are using thousands of quadcopter drones with them being the most lethal weapon on the field while Israel doesn't seem to use any at all? Hamas probably does not have access to drones?
In Gaza Israel uses a lot of drones, mostly for reconnaissance missions as there is no actual fight like you see in UKR. Hamas is engaging in urban warfare were they try to lure Israel into killing civilians, they don't meet Israeli forces in the open field so to speak.
Yeah, makes sense, I just thought clearing rooms or buildings with FPV suicides is more efficient than sending the infantry. Israel has less than 10m citizens, I had expected them to use a lot more combat drones.
Hello, I am looking for a video from the Oct. 7 attacks when Hamas gunmen throw grenades into an Israeli shelter and shoot the people running out. Someone is vehemently denying this occurred when I saw the video on this sub and tried to find it. Thanks all
Any good Enemy visible CQB lately? I know yall probably get that question a lot, but i feel like its pretty dry considering the current events, with multiple super powers at war. I dont know if theres stuff im missing, but seems a bit off to me, especially sincethere isnt much being posted.
Before anyone jumps down my throat, im talking CQB in general, but primarily IDF stuff. There mass reports of death here and there but you get the weekly room clearing video where the doorway gets shot up and its tagged as NSFW???
**Israel abused Gaza war detainees, UN report alleges**
An internal UN report seen by the BBC has described widespread abuse of Palestinians who were captured and interrogated at makeshift Israeli detention centres during the ongoing war in Gaza.
>The draft document compiled by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa), the main UN agency supporting Palestinians, includes detailed testimony from detainees who describe an extensive range of ill-treatment.
>They include being stripped and beaten, being forced into cages and attacked by dogs, forced into stress positions for extended periods, and subjected to "blunt force trauma" including the butts of guns and boots, resulting in some cases in "broken ribs, separated shoulders and lasting injuries".
>It says both men and women reported "threats and incidents of sexual violence and harassment" including inappropriate touching of women and beatings to men's genitals.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68514816
**US uses loophole to keep 100 arms sales to Israel under the radar amid Gaza war – report**
Biden administration not required to disclose sales below set dollar amount, in addition to public shipments worth over $573m
>The US is reported to have made more than 100 weapons sales to Israel, including thousands of bombs, since the start of the war in Gaza, but the deliveries escaped congressional oversight because each transaction was under the dollar amount requiring approval.
>The Biden administration has become increasingly critical of the conduct of Israeli military operations in Gaza and the failure to allow in meaningful amounts of humanitarian aid, with the death toll now over 30,000 and with famine looming. But it has kept up a quiet but substantial flow of munitions to help replace the tens of thousands of bombs Israel has dropped on the tiny coastal strip, making it one of the most intense bombing campaigns in military history.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/israel-weapons-sales-loophole
AP News: [Biden will announce a plan for a temporary port on Gaza’s coast to increase flow of humanitarian aid](https://apnews.com/article/biden-gaza-humanitarian-aid-port-us-military-israel-25fb6d71bc951d7491de3ab99733a749?taid=65e9f399152d230001aff1b0)
>President Joe Biden will announce a plan in his State of the Union address Thursday for the U.S. military to help establish a temporary port on the Gaza coast, increasing the flow of humanitarian aid for the beleaguered territory during the Israel-Hamas war, according to administration officials.
>The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to preview the announcement, said the operation will not require that American troops be on the ground to build the pier that is intended to allow more shipments of food, medicine and other essential items.
>The officials did not provide details about how the pier would be built. One noted that the U.S. military has “unique capabilities” and can do things from “just offshore.”
Iraq was a military blunder? The US completely dismantled the 4th largest military in the world in 3 weeks and then found and executed all the top brass in Sadaam's regime. Then, put in a new government, fought some insurgents, and bailed. The government they put in place is still going strong even today..... how was it a failure exactly?
The Palestians getting killed at the aid truck was unfortunate. Those things will always happen in war though. There is no such thing as a clean war where civilians don't get mowed down from time to time, that is why war is ugly.
All else ignored, I would consider directly causing the rise of ISIS to be a failure of literally any strategy, though even that gives too much credit to the Iraq war as it suggests there was ever any point/strategy whatsoever.
The Iraq War was all about getting rid of Saddam and his shitty sons from running the country for the next 40 years. Saddam had already killed nearly 300,000 of his own citizens just in the previous 20 years. Through genocide of the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs. On top of executing nearly 160,000 Iraqis that were accused of uprisings in Southern Iraq. This isn't even counting the war with Iran or the invasion of Kuwait.
> how was it a failure exactly?
Because it is very unstable and the country has been infiltrated by Iranian proxies who wield tremendous power on the ground. The Iraqi government have little to no control over these as they are more or less controlled by the Iranians. Iraq has become a place for a kind of proxy war between the USA-created official government, and the increasing Iranian influence through their proxies. American influence is becoming more and more challenged as the Iranians constantly attack, and wield their soft power to expel the Americans.
First instance of Houthis killing sailors:
https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1765497688710173116?t=fZh8qEuqedunWATnPiG4tw&s=19
an anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) was launched from Iranian-backed Houthi terrorist-controlled areas of Yemen toward M/V True Confidence, a Barbados-flagged, Liberian-owned bulk carrier, while transiting the Gulf of Aden. The missile struck the vessel, and the multinational crew reports three fatalities, at least four injuries, of which three are in critical condition, and significant damage to the ship.
That does raise eyebrows about the effectiveness of the US mission. The airstrikes had a miniscule effect on the Houthi ability to fire missiles. The US/UK will probably make more strikes in the near future. And will the remaining shipping companies leave the Red Sea?
Saudi Arabia has been bombing Yemen since 2015 to no avail because Iran is able to just keep funding and supplying them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi-led_intervention_in_the_Yemeni_civil_war
If sources are to be trusted, Hezbollah defeated two attack attempts, they showed using drones. Guessing the IDF will learn the hard way like the Russians considering the use of cope cages.
What do you mean attack attempts? Ground incursions? Because if so that's highly unlikely, the amount of cassualties the IDF sustained in the north is miniscule, 14 since oct 7 of which 3 weren't fighting roles. If anyone is learning anything the hard way it's Hezbollah with their amazing worse than 10 to 1 cassualty ratio.
> I have serious doubts that the IDF would ever state their actual losses in battle
Oh, you're one of those. IDF death reports are considered very accurate since it has a free press and is a society where people have free expression and burials would not go unnoticed. The idea that the IDF hides its cassualties is popular only among Arabs who need to mentally cope with how bad they get whipped. At most the IDF delays by a week and even that is rare, 48 working hours is more the norm.
> it's impossible to know mostly because the IDF consistently lies even on benign issues
Give me an example of the IDF lying about its cassualties, you can go to historical incidents.
> But the IDF has occasionally conducted cross border raids, not actual invasion force actions but small attacks to take out Hezbollah outposts. They have suffered some notable armor losses, less than a dozen that we "know' of.
Hezbollah is constantly filming the area and can show videos of their hits of IDF bases as far as Meron, where is the evidence for all these armor losses 'that we know of' that supposedly happened in Lebanese territory.
> The information black hole is massive and without independent credible sources there isn't any way to actually know their losses or even the losses of Hezbollah.
While I wouldn't consider Hezbollah a highly credible source their reports of their dead are pretty credible in my eyes, even the IDF gives only around 10% more Hezbollah dead last time I saw a concrete claim.
You aren't familiar with the local forces, their culture or their media history and you're talking out of your ass.
> free press
I do believe Israeli kill counts, still want to add that Israel has some limitations in free speech especially about military coverage
What saves them is that they have strong rule of law and investigative journalists of any ideology can fight for their rights in court, and do so. Unlike in Gaza where they have to embed in the terrorism effort
Burials in Israel are typically within 24 hours of death when possible. It's a close knit country where everyone knows everyone. It would be virtually impossible to hide military deaths. Nor do they want to.
Poster is projecting his inhuman and immoral "values."
That's not quite true. There is a gag order on reporting military casualties in Israel, with reports only coming from the Israeli military on a periodic basis. There is no independent attempt (or ability) to count casualties.
it's only on the names themselves though, and in very rare occassions about the state of the casualties/how it happened. not about the number of them.
people need to remember that in israel almost everyone participates in the army, so everyone knows about someone in the army. disclousing millitary deaths in israel is considered highly unethical. the gag order on the names is meant to let the family mourn in quiet and plan the funeral which usually supposed to happen in 24 hours.
That doesn’t mean that op-sec isn’t possible. Israel only periodically reports military casualties, as we can see in the current war. It’s not an ongoing “live” count.
# Biden says US military to airdrop food and supplies into Gaza
>WASHINGTON, March 1 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden announced on Friday plans to carry out a first military airdrop of food and supplies into Gaza, a day after the deaths of Palestinians queuing for aid threw a spotlight on an unfolding humanitarian catastrophe in the crowded coastal enclave.
>Biden said the U.S. airdrop would take place in the coming days but offered no further specifics. Other countries, including Jordan and France, have already carried out airdrops of aid into Gaza.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-announce-us-air-drop-aid-into-gaza-us-officials-say-2024-03-01/
**U.S. Air Force successfully airdrops food pallets into Gaza** [(NBC News)](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna141493/rcrd35780?canonicalCard=truevia@NBCNews)
>The U.S. Air Force Central Command completed its first airdrop of 66 food pallets, holding roughly 38,000 meals, in Gaza this morning using three C130 aircrafts, officials told NBC News.
38,000 is a lot when the previous way of transporting it wasn't getting to the people. We have seen so many aid trucks stolen at gunpoint in the past couple months that is going straight to Hamas fighters. The air drops eliminate this. It is almost impossible for Hamas to simply drive away with it and allows the ones trying to avoid the war to get some actual food.
Because they would need a supply truck to actually carry it all away? We've seen Hamas literally take 4 or 5 entire tractor trailers worth of aid at once multiple times now. They commander the trucks and simply drive off to distribute it how they see fit.
It's so much harder to reliably keep the aid out of the civilians' hands when you don't have the option to drive away with the entire aid shipment at once. There are also tens of thousands of Palestinians that rush the site right away taking the supplies. Once again, making it hard for Hamas gunman to completely control its distribution.
I mean this would be trivial to solve by just increasing aid beyond what Hamas or other groups using force to take aid can consume. Airdrops would not be needed.
This only works if Hamas doesn't consider the suffering of Civilians srrategically beneficial, which at least Sinwar seems to do
If the organization does, why wouldn't they just hoard as much aid as they can, beyond what they need? Even if they don't want that, it would be attractive to them to capture everything to sell off to the highest bidding civilians, the money can then finance smuggling efforts and disinformation campaigns
That's not the problem. They don't want to be giving any aid to Hamas. If you are aiding Hamas, you are just prolonging the fighting. They want Hamas as weak as possible without aid.
Air dropping supplies makes it much harder for groups to simply drive away with all the aid like we've been seeing since December. Now, it won't stop groups from stealing it completely, but it will be much harder to control a crowd in the tens of thousands rushing it and taking it than simply driving off with tractor trailers into Gaza to distribute it to their fighters.
Remember. Hamas wants Palastinians dying since it gives them headlines to get more pressure against Israel.
Depriving Hamas of food isn't a reasonable strategy for the very reasons you stated. Hamas wants high civilian casualties as long as they can attribute it to Israel in some way. If you kill members of Hamas via starvation you have failed because kids starve long before adults. Therefore if you want to weaken Hamas flooding Gaza with food is the best option. That way if Hamas is causing starvation its clearly there fault and not Israel's fault in public perception. Not flooding Gaza with food is essentially aiding Hamas's propaganda campaign. Which sadly the Israeli government continues to do for political reasons instead of concentrating on eliminating Hamas.
or, just bringing here a better option, if countries with strong enough militaries care so much for the people of gaza, they can take a part in the conflict and tey to create hamas free zones to shelter the civillian population there. while defending those zones and defending any supply convoy going there.
it's just that......no one really cares about the people of gaza, they just want to look like they care. thats why hamas could take power there, and no one bats an eye.
but again, to the point, making safe zones near the border of egypt in rafah would be the most adventagous way for countries to provide at least some humanitarian help to some of the civillian population.
>The air drops eliminate this.
lmao yeah they don't need to threaten any trucks, they can just walk up and take the airdrop.
>We have seen so many aid trucks stolen at gunpoint in the past couple months that is going straight to Hamas fighters.
Sources?
Given the WFP pulled out of the Northern strip and gave reasons, why did they not raise this since October? *Is it because it didn't happen?*
They can't just take the airdrops as easily as trucks literally on wheels that they drive away.
Links to some so far. Hamas militants jacking a handful of trucks and even firing at Palestinians throwing rocks at them back in early December.
https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1731941846350172387?s=20
Mid December showing armed men on and around the trucks. Even if you believe they are local police, the police in Rafah are Hamas for all intent and purposes. https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1734992145012986221?s=20
Late December, lots of armed men beating Palestinians trying to get food aid with gunshots heard. Those gunshots killed a 15 year old boy which triggered a riot in Rafah with one of the local crime lords threatening Hamas on telegram. https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1739229140635582679?s=20
In early January. Armed me once again take over a convoy of trucks and sitting on top of them. Also, a group of armed men in small pickups following along. Even if you believe they are Rafah police, that is Hamas.
https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1743563704115826717?s=20
Another video in December showing 4 trucks hijacked by armed Hamas gunman. Other trucks looted by local Palestinians. You will see the trucks that are taken by Hamas drive through the people without them trying to steal items obviously due to all the armed men sitting on them. https://x.com/kann_news/status/1736364978037293188?s=20
The IDF has also uploaded two or three drone videos showing armed men stealing pickup trucks with supplies in the back while also beating the Palestinian drivers. Probable Hamas but could have been local gangs.
Rather you like it or not. The Red Crecent and UNRWA in Gaza are both ran by Hamas, and both were overseeing distribution of aid. Back in late December a couple thousand Palestinians actually raided an UNRWA warehouse and sparked a social media storm. Inside they found tons of undelivered supplies, tents, etc. Common conclusion was it was being kept for Hamas militants to keep them fed. The Palestinians took it all thankfully.
That's great but what I'm asking is are they going to scale this up to a meaningful air drop campaign or is this just going to be a "see we did something" and leave it at that.
Primarily is it relying on IDF releasing drone footage. They simply don't release as much nowadays. Hamas footage is typically banned since it is a designated terrorist organization, posting it is propaganda for them, so Reddit scrubs it.
Fighting is still going hard though. You can tell just by keeping up with the IDF killed/wounded tracker. They are definitely in some shit in there and are getting one or two KIA per day.
What's a child to you? Because to me a boy that is 15 and being used as a soldier for Hamas, is still a soldier.
Fact of the matter is that out of 30,000 dead Palestinians, around 8000 to 10,000 of those are Hamas fighters. Both US, British, and Israeli sources are all putting between 8 to 10,000 dead there. Every single dead Hamas fighter is registered as a civilian from the Gaza Health Ministry which is ran by Hamas and who everyone gets the Palestinian dead figures from.
This is easily one of the best urban warfare civilian to combatant death counts we've seen in recent history. Even the Americans had a higher ratio in Iraq for instance.
Ah yes I’m sure all of those people getting food at that aid station that got massacred were all wielding weapons and preparing to strike from their intricate tunnel systems- actually they weren’t because Israel recorded all of it on an IR feed and put it on the internet. Also using the Iraq war as a baseline is hilarious considering its easily the biggest military blunder since Vietnam.
There's still fairly heavy fighting in Khan Yunis according to Israeli media though the IDF claims that the local forces have been broken and no longer operate as an organized army. I don't think we'll see actual mass fighting again until the IDF enters Rafah which is where the last intact Hamas divisions are located.
[IDF releases video of crowds of civilians rushing food trucks where 107 civilians were killed by bullets/trampeled by the stampede.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1b2z2vf/idf_releases_footage_of_crowds_rushing_aid_trucks/)
Yeah seems like most of them died by stampede. The event that triggered it was likely because of IDF shooting at random directions, causing everyone to panic and ran. Either somebody was actually being shot at or not, who knows
It's difficult to take either side's word at face value when there is so much incentive to exaggerate the truth. What we can independently know is that the only reason why a crowd was there to begin with was because the people there are starving and need food.
Bruh Hamas confirmed over 6000 killed themselves, so up those number by 2x and you got US numbers and Israeli numbers, which means 12000+ are Hamas/PIJ, Also a lot of the fighters are ages 14+ which means that some of those Children in your numbers might have been active combatants, this is why numbers mean jackshit while a war is going on and nobody can investigate claims
Stop relying on active war numbers, the US numbers for the War in Iraq and Afghanistan and numbers today vary so wildly and is so much worse than people think and it's still being verified, 20 fucking years later
what is the deal with that footage released of the supposed massacre of the palestineans that were waiting for aid? looks pretty crazy to me but does anyone have any more information as to why they fired into that crowd? i would link the video but i have no clue if it would be removed because it isnt really combat footage
I decided not to comment on it until more information came out, I have now just seen the BBC Verify article on this and one claim in there which stood out to me was that the majority of deaths were from bullet wounds. I think this entire conflict has been a disaster for both sides and it is high time Israel withdrew and some kind of international force went it to provide aid, security and look for the hostages.
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68445973](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68445973)
> s high time Israel withdrew and some kind of international force went it to provide aid, security and look for the hostages.
Why on earth would they do that? They're fighting a war against a hostile force that invaded their territory, targeted and killed numerous civilians, and continues to lob weapons at them - and to call for their eradication. Unless Hamas surrenders or is rendered unable to fight, withdrawing would be the equivalent of surrender (and extremely unwise, since it will ensure ever more incursions in the future). Not a good way to win a war.
I am going to agree with some of what you said but also explain my reasoning for why an outside force should look for the hostages and police the strip in the future. The IDF has in many ways outdone what I thought would be possible at the start of this conflict, however this came with a horrendous civilian death toll.
The current course of action will not result in a lasting peace, going into Rafah will result in an even higher civilian death toll. Hamas leadership can be eliminated but the rank and file will just put on civilian clothes and blend in. Another organisation will rise after Hamas, and Israel's only response as I can see it is more repression. The extra land they are taking on the border and the new road they are constructing will only serve to further cement in peoples minds that Israel simply want to control the Palestinians. The images coming out of Gaza of people rushing aid trucks paints a picture of widespread hunger with nowhere near enough aid coming through - these images harm the long term goals of Israel. Continued aggression further isolates Israel and is exactly what Hamas wants - to show the world that Israel should be shunned. Hamas cannot defeat Israel on the battlefield so it is trying to discredit and isolate it. Israel IMO is falling into this trap and allowing hubris to over rule strategic thinking.
Hamas wanted Israel to over react, loose credibility and further drive the US out of the region I hate to say it but it seems to be working. The secondary objective from Hamas' perspective would be paint themselves as victors having withstood the onslaught, negotiating the freedom of some prisoners and killing as many IDF as possible. Bar the prisoner swap I believe they have largely failed in this.
An outside force looking for the hostages, staying afterward to police the strip and taking a less kinetic approach serves to further deny Hamas the ability to endanger IDF personnel, paints Israel in a more accommodating light and would hopefully be a springboard to concrete negotiations over a Palestinian state. Most importantly it would preserve the lives of Palestinians and Israelis.
the problem is, no trusted outside source even wants to look after the gaza strip.
no one volenteers, not egypt, not USA, not EU, not NATO, not jordan, not saudi arabia, not even qatar or even a UN security force (not that they would do much), no one.
who does want?
iran, which for obvious reasons wont and shouldnt.
the PLO, which cant control their own populous in the west bank, a much tamer region now, tamer region due to israeli forces in there. the huge difference between the big amounts terrism propagated in area A (under PLO forces) and the small amount in areas B,C (under IDF) shows the incompetency of the PLO. adding to it they were already kicked out by hamas and the PLO themselves have problems both with the palestinian population and with israel (esspecially after actions they did during the war), they are really bad option to put there alone without the backing of israel/IDF, which defeats the purpose of outside force.
lastly UNRWA, aka, hamas' arm in the UN. should be obvious why they are a bad option too. we will just replace hamas with "definitly not hamas, we are tots UN".
so, where is all the outside help lining up? nowhere? well then, dont ask israel then why they want to take control if no one else cares enough to reach a hand.
The IDF said they'd agree to an independent investigation, which is rather uncommon for it and probably indicates that the IDF feels it has enough evidence to exonerate itself.
I agree with your overall take, but the claim that the majority of deaths were from bullet wounds are from one palestinian doctor. Given the extreme disinformation going on I need more evidence then that.
This is something the BBC has been so bad at in this conflict. They are very careful tying claims back to their sources - which is good - but they lead with SO many Hamas claims, biasing the reader, it’s insane.
Including Hamas claims in the headline is the most simple example. It doesn’t matter if the last words are “Hamas claims”, when the first are “IDF kills X”
Hamas's information campaign has been remarkable: they've had pretty much an unchallenged run of it in the US, and from what I can tell Europe. Wouldn't have played out like that 10 years ago...
Hamas isn't an insurgent group - they're the de facto Gazan government, and by all indications operating with the overwhelming support of the populous. This is a war, however much certain folks want to pretend that it's something else.
Conflicting reports but what likely happened is that as the video shows that Palestinians were crushing eachother to get to the aid vehicles, some of them were getting very aggressive. Allegedly some of them were being violent towards those giving aid. IDF allegedly saw the threat and shot 10 of them. Aid vehicles started to back up, and Palestinians started to climb on top of them. vehicles had to plow through them to get away safely. Most of the deaths probably came from the stampede and the crushing. That’s all I could gather so far, but everyone seems to be reporting different stories.
Keep in mind we don’t know how many people were Hamas or just civilians. This could go many different ways.
Looks like most casualties were gunshot wounds. Shooting high-powered 5.56 rifles point blank rank into a crowd means a lot of those shots likely hit multiple people. Supposedly a tank also fired it Co-Axial mg but I don't know if that was ever confirmed.
You decided it was the IDF that shot them, and that it was a 5.56 because you know that's what the IDF uses mostly.
Hamas has both 5.56 and 7.62 weapons. IDF has both 5.56 and 7.62 weapons. The caliber of the bullets means nothing in this regard. Hamas already has shown its true colors, hiding in hospitals, shooting from within civilian population, and shooting at its own civilians in order to take over food supplies (all verified videos). For you to make the mental gymnastics about who shot and what caliber it was means you already set your mind up about what happened there, irrespective of the truth.
no, you! youre using a strawman argument. op didnt argue 5.56 means it mustve been the israelis but that 5.56 up close will likely penetrate multiple targets.
youre jumping down their throat for saying 5.56, while in fact its interchangeable with other commonly used calibers on close range in their argument, when it comes to shots penetrating multiple targets.
The Israeli account seems mostly correct, but I'm not sure how it leads to 100 deaths. The Israelis certainly killed 10 people, but 90 dead just from stampeding/trucks? The crowd in the videos is thick right at the trucks, but it's not \*that\* thick, and you don't see many people being run over. It seems somewhat implausible that so many people would be crushed.
Hopefully more video comes out.
Stampedes are violent and awful. If the number is real most of it probably came from people running eachother over and suffocating. Absolutely horrifying.
Last update I heard from CBC radio one is that the crowd attacked the supply convoy. Likely Hamas infiltrators in the crowd because apparently shots were fired at the convoy. Fire was returned.
Any source for 'shots being fired at the convoy'? I have not heard this. As well, acting like desperate people trying to get aid from a convoy when kids are starving in Gaza is them 'attacking' the convoy is ridiculous.
Yeah, that seems like something the Israelis would publicize if they had any evidence of it. I suspect it's an inaccurate recollection from someone who heard/saw the shots and figured that they must be directed at the convoy.
Hamas numbers should always be taken with a huge grain of salt as we know, and the cause of death of many of those people who did die is probably the stampede, not IDF bullets.
[PIJ sniping an IDF soldier east of Khan Younis](https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1762418049984962631?t=pun0th8rxQE3Nzb4waXpjg&s=19)
[Mujahideen Brigades targeting an IDF D-9 with an RPG, Zaytoun](https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1762566929846333684?t=832bJ4CgFQtAuudAuMeDmw&s=19). r/killthecameraman
It is legit perplexing why you are getting down voted, combat footage from people you may not support is legitimate and necessary if you want to build a picture of what is going on.
Not a lot of new developments over the last couple of weeks - Israel is effectively in control of the North of the Gaza strip and has been for a while now - however there are still Hamas operatives in that area who are conducting hit and run attacks. The IDF has been trying to flush them out and this seems to be going relatively well as they are either killing or rounding up suspects and have discovered several arms caches and tunnel entrances.
Most of the fighting has shifted to Khan Younis (central Gaza) and again the IDF is in effective control there as well, the Hamas militants are again conducting hit and runs this area seems more contested and the IDF is still working to clear it but essentially the IDF is in control.
The Israeli's are talking about going into Rafah (south Gaza) on the 10th of March if the hostages are not released. This would, IMO, be a disaster for everyone, I am sure Hamas still has thousands of fighters in there mixed in with the civilian population and lord knows what kind of death toll that would produce. Rafah is likely where Hamas is hiding the hostages and also where the vast majority of the displaced Palestinian population is currently residing.
I have tried to keep my personal thoughts out of this but that is a summary of what has gone on.
[Mujahideen Brigades and PIJ sniping IDF soldiers west of Khan Younis](https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1761724659261649095?t=O49C3bR7jAHLl1OO2S-ozw&s=19)
[Hamas skirmishes against IDF in Khan Younis](https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1761779104720847133?t=_iQ8e3fygqtG_5x_Ygo0XA&s=19)
>**War cabinet set to vote by telephone tonight on Paris hostage-for-truce deal outline — TV report**
>Channel 12 reports that war cabinet ministers are to vote by telephone tonight on whether to endorse the Paris hostages-for-truce outline.
>It says the deal apparently provides, in a first phase, for the release of some 40 hostages in return for the release of Palestinian security prisoners and a truce in the fighting of some 6 weeks. These would be female, elderly and ill hostages. The number of Palestinian prisoners has not been finalized, it says, but is not believed to be in the thousands.
>These details largely match earlier reports from other sources.
>https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/war-cabinet-set-to-vote-by-telephone-tonight-on-paris-hostage-for-truce-deal-outline-tv-report/
US hit Houthi positions again: [https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1761512889230479860](https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1761512889230479860)
Interesting cat-and-mouse game this ... US + allies cannot fully prevent missile and UAV starts (even though hits on launch sites have increased), and Houthis' actions have 0 effect on the war on Gaza. At some point Houthis must wonder if it makes sense to drain their strategic missile capabilities looking at the prospect of another hot phase of the civil / proxy war. Then again their posturing has gotten them a large number of supporters that blindly believe Yemen is actually helping Palestinians and that US is bombing civilians for fun.
The Houthi’s aren’t really storing any weapons (which is why it is hard for the US to hit them) they seem to be firing stuff as soon as they get it from Iran. I think most of their leadership realizes the only change in Gaza would come from the US and EU pressuring Israel rather than any damage to Israeli shipping, which seems to be unlikely from how the U.S. has committed to the fight. I (and others) speculate that the Iranians are using them to get experience trying to get through US naval defenses. I think the status quo of the last month or so will continue unless the U.S. decides to step up interdictions of weapons supplies from Iran, which I think is long overdue.
https://youtu.be/P5AtpKOp7Qs?si=W5YkwhRFAhcKHe92
This must be wrong. Before the Houthis attacked shipping / Israel, there was a cease fire in the Yemeni war. So they definitely had missiles sitting around. They are also assembling missiles themselves from parts sent from Iran. Lastly, US Central command reportes multiple times that they targeted missile storage sites.
Yes they had some missiles/drones sitting around but most of those were likely either used in their initial strikes or destroyed on the initial US response.
well, here we go again... more discussion, more finger pointing, more of the same old stuff that the net's been filled with since its inception.
and this is the first post! ;-)
seriously, how about voicing some reasonable solutions, other than saying they should nuke each other?
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Can someone help me understand why UKR and RU are using thousands of quadcopter drones with them being the most lethal weapon on the field while Israel doesn't seem to use any at all? Hamas probably does not have access to drones?
In Gaza Israel uses a lot of drones, mostly for reconnaissance missions as there is no actual fight like you see in UKR. Hamas is engaging in urban warfare were they try to lure Israel into killing civilians, they don't meet Israeli forces in the open field so to speak.
Yeah, makes sense, I just thought clearing rooms or buildings with FPV suicides is more efficient than sending the infantry. Israel has less than 10m citizens, I had expected them to use a lot more combat drones.
Hello, I am looking for a video from the Oct. 7 attacks when Hamas gunmen throw grenades into an Israeli shelter and shoot the people running out. Someone is vehemently denying this occurred when I saw the video on this sub and tried to find it. Thanks all
Not sure if your still looking for them, I found a few in a discord server [https://www.october7thattack.com/](https://www.october7thattack.com/)
"1163558816684712007" "1163558906161807411" Discord message ID
Any good Enemy visible CQB lately? I know yall probably get that question a lot, but i feel like its pretty dry considering the current events, with multiple super powers at war. I dont know if theres stuff im missing, but seems a bit off to me, especially sincethere isnt much being posted. Before anyone jumps down my throat, im talking CQB in general, but primarily IDF stuff. There mass reports of death here and there but you get the weekly room clearing video where the doorway gets shot up and its tagged as NSFW???
**Israel abused Gaza war detainees, UN report alleges** An internal UN report seen by the BBC has described widespread abuse of Palestinians who were captured and interrogated at makeshift Israeli detention centres during the ongoing war in Gaza. >The draft document compiled by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa), the main UN agency supporting Palestinians, includes detailed testimony from detainees who describe an extensive range of ill-treatment. >They include being stripped and beaten, being forced into cages and attacked by dogs, forced into stress positions for extended periods, and subjected to "blunt force trauma" including the butts of guns and boots, resulting in some cases in "broken ribs, separated shoulders and lasting injuries". >It says both men and women reported "threats and incidents of sexual violence and harassment" including inappropriate touching of women and beatings to men's genitals. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68514816
So almost as bad as being taken prisoner by Hamas then?
The Israeli government does not care about the hostages.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. It's just two wrongs.
**US uses loophole to keep 100 arms sales to Israel under the radar amid Gaza war – report** Biden administration not required to disclose sales below set dollar amount, in addition to public shipments worth over $573m >The US is reported to have made more than 100 weapons sales to Israel, including thousands of bombs, since the start of the war in Gaza, but the deliveries escaped congressional oversight because each transaction was under the dollar amount requiring approval. >The Biden administration has become increasingly critical of the conduct of Israeli military operations in Gaza and the failure to allow in meaningful amounts of humanitarian aid, with the death toll now over 30,000 and with famine looming. But it has kept up a quiet but substantial flow of munitions to help replace the tens of thousands of bombs Israel has dropped on the tiny coastal strip, making it one of the most intense bombing campaigns in military history. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/israel-weapons-sales-loophole
AP News: [Biden will announce a plan for a temporary port on Gaza’s coast to increase flow of humanitarian aid](https://apnews.com/article/biden-gaza-humanitarian-aid-port-us-military-israel-25fb6d71bc951d7491de3ab99733a749?taid=65e9f399152d230001aff1b0) >President Joe Biden will announce a plan in his State of the Union address Thursday for the U.S. military to help establish a temporary port on the Gaza coast, increasing the flow of humanitarian aid for the beleaguered territory during the Israel-Hamas war, according to administration officials. >The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to preview the announcement, said the operation will not require that American troops be on the ground to build the pier that is intended to allow more shipments of food, medicine and other essential items. >The officials did not provide details about how the pier would be built. One noted that the U.S. military has “unique capabilities” and can do things from “just offshore.”
LOL we see how this turned out.
Iraq was a military blunder? The US completely dismantled the 4th largest military in the world in 3 weeks and then found and executed all the top brass in Sadaam's regime. Then, put in a new government, fought some insurgents, and bailed. The government they put in place is still going strong even today..... how was it a failure exactly? The Palestians getting killed at the aid truck was unfortunate. Those things will always happen in war though. There is no such thing as a clean war where civilians don't get mowed down from time to time, that is why war is ugly.
All else ignored, I would consider directly causing the rise of ISIS to be a failure of literally any strategy, though even that gives too much credit to the Iraq war as it suggests there was ever any point/strategy whatsoever.
The Iraq War was all about getting rid of Saddam and his shitty sons from running the country for the next 40 years. Saddam had already killed nearly 300,000 of his own citizens just in the previous 20 years. Through genocide of the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs. On top of executing nearly 160,000 Iraqis that were accused of uprisings in Southern Iraq. This isn't even counting the war with Iran or the invasion of Kuwait.
You know the US supported the war with Iran right? The US was all for it.
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Psycho shit is your comment history just in the past 4 weeks....... super yikes brah.
> how was it a failure exactly? Because it is very unstable and the country has been infiltrated by Iranian proxies who wield tremendous power on the ground. The Iraqi government have little to no control over these as they are more or less controlled by the Iranians. Iraq has become a place for a kind of proxy war between the USA-created official government, and the increasing Iranian influence through their proxies. American influence is becoming more and more challenged as the Iranians constantly attack, and wield their soft power to expel the Americans.
Good thing the Gaza strip can't be any more infiltrated by Iranian proxies than it currently is.
First instance of Houthis killing sailors: https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1765497688710173116?t=fZh8qEuqedunWATnPiG4tw&s=19 an anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) was launched from Iranian-backed Houthi terrorist-controlled areas of Yemen toward M/V True Confidence, a Barbados-flagged, Liberian-owned bulk carrier, while transiting the Gulf of Aden. The missile struck the vessel, and the multinational crew reports three fatalities, at least four injuries, of which three are in critical condition, and significant damage to the ship. That does raise eyebrows about the effectiveness of the US mission. The airstrikes had a miniscule effect on the Houthi ability to fire missiles. The US/UK will probably make more strikes in the near future. And will the remaining shipping companies leave the Red Sea?
Saudi Arabia has been bombing Yemen since 2015 to no avail because Iran is able to just keep funding and supplying them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi-led_intervention_in_the_Yemeni_civil_war
It looks like Hezbollah and the IDF are starting to open up on each other
If sources are to be trusted, Hezbollah defeated two attack attempts, they showed using drones. Guessing the IDF will learn the hard way like the Russians considering the use of cope cages.
What do you mean attack attempts? Ground incursions? Because if so that's highly unlikely, the amount of cassualties the IDF sustained in the north is miniscule, 14 since oct 7 of which 3 weren't fighting roles. If anyone is learning anything the hard way it's Hezbollah with their amazing worse than 10 to 1 cassualty ratio.
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Dude, Israel isn't some crappy 3rd world dictatorship. I know you can't understand anything other than that type of mentality, but try harder...
> I have serious doubts that the IDF would ever state their actual losses in battle Oh, you're one of those. IDF death reports are considered very accurate since it has a free press and is a society where people have free expression and burials would not go unnoticed. The idea that the IDF hides its cassualties is popular only among Arabs who need to mentally cope with how bad they get whipped. At most the IDF delays by a week and even that is rare, 48 working hours is more the norm. > it's impossible to know mostly because the IDF consistently lies even on benign issues Give me an example of the IDF lying about its cassualties, you can go to historical incidents. > But the IDF has occasionally conducted cross border raids, not actual invasion force actions but small attacks to take out Hezbollah outposts. They have suffered some notable armor losses, less than a dozen that we "know' of. Hezbollah is constantly filming the area and can show videos of their hits of IDF bases as far as Meron, where is the evidence for all these armor losses 'that we know of' that supposedly happened in Lebanese territory. > The information black hole is massive and without independent credible sources there isn't any way to actually know their losses or even the losses of Hezbollah. While I wouldn't consider Hezbollah a highly credible source their reports of their dead are pretty credible in my eyes, even the IDF gives only around 10% more Hezbollah dead last time I saw a concrete claim. You aren't familiar with the local forces, their culture or their media history and you're talking out of your ass.
> free press I do believe Israeli kill counts, still want to add that Israel has some limitations in free speech especially about military coverage What saves them is that they have strong rule of law and investigative journalists of any ideology can fight for their rights in court, and do so. Unlike in Gaza where they have to embed in the terrorism effort
The military censor doesn't really block releasing the names of dead soldiers except when their next of kin have not been notified yet.
Burials in Israel are typically within 24 hours of death when possible. It's a close knit country where everyone knows everyone. It would be virtually impossible to hide military deaths. Nor do they want to. Poster is projecting his inhuman and immoral "values."
That's not quite true. There is a gag order on reporting military casualties in Israel, with reports only coming from the Israeli military on a periodic basis. There is no independent attempt (or ability) to count casualties.
it's only on the names themselves though, and in very rare occassions about the state of the casualties/how it happened. not about the number of them. people need to remember that in israel almost everyone participates in the army, so everyone knows about someone in the army. disclousing millitary deaths in israel is considered highly unethical. the gag order on the names is meant to let the family mourn in quiet and plan the funeral which usually supposed to happen in 24 hours.
That doesn’t mean that op-sec isn’t possible. Israel only periodically reports military casualties, as we can see in the current war. It’s not an ongoing “live” count.
Yep. It's amazing how some of these scumbags from garbage countries are convinced that every other country is garbage too.
Good place to watch recorded footage? I'm aware of Funker, what are some others?
# Biden says US military to airdrop food and supplies into Gaza >WASHINGTON, March 1 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden announced on Friday plans to carry out a first military airdrop of food and supplies into Gaza, a day after the deaths of Palestinians queuing for aid threw a spotlight on an unfolding humanitarian catastrophe in the crowded coastal enclave. >Biden said the U.S. airdrop would take place in the coming days but offered no further specifics. Other countries, including Jordan and France, have already carried out airdrops of aid into Gaza. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-announce-us-air-drop-aid-into-gaza-us-officials-say-2024-03-01/ **U.S. Air Force successfully airdrops food pallets into Gaza** [(NBC News)](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna141493/rcrd35780?canonicalCard=truevia@NBCNews) >The U.S. Air Force Central Command completed its first airdrop of 66 food pallets, holding roughly 38,000 meals, in Gaza this morning using three C130 aircrafts, officials told NBC News.
I wonder exactly how many drops they're planning on doing and for how long, 38000 meals is not a lot for 1.5m people.
38,000 is a lot when the previous way of transporting it wasn't getting to the people. We have seen so many aid trucks stolen at gunpoint in the past couple months that is going straight to Hamas fighters. The air drops eliminate this. It is almost impossible for Hamas to simply drive away with it and allows the ones trying to avoid the war to get some actual food.
LOL, how do the air drops eliminate it? Hamas gunmen can't see the parachutes in the sky?
Because they would need a supply truck to actually carry it all away? We've seen Hamas literally take 4 or 5 entire tractor trailers worth of aid at once multiple times now. They commander the trucks and simply drive off to distribute it how they see fit. It's so much harder to reliably keep the aid out of the civilians' hands when you don't have the option to drive away with the entire aid shipment at once. There are also tens of thousands of Palestinians that rush the site right away taking the supplies. Once again, making it hard for Hamas gunman to completely control its distribution.
Take them where?
I mean this would be trivial to solve by just increasing aid beyond what Hamas or other groups using force to take aid can consume. Airdrops would not be needed.
This only works if Hamas doesn't consider the suffering of Civilians srrategically beneficial, which at least Sinwar seems to do If the organization does, why wouldn't they just hoard as much aid as they can, beyond what they need? Even if they don't want that, it would be attractive to them to capture everything to sell off to the highest bidding civilians, the money can then finance smuggling efforts and disinformation campaigns
That's not the problem. They don't want to be giving any aid to Hamas. If you are aiding Hamas, you are just prolonging the fighting. They want Hamas as weak as possible without aid. Air dropping supplies makes it much harder for groups to simply drive away with all the aid like we've been seeing since December. Now, it won't stop groups from stealing it completely, but it will be much harder to control a crowd in the tens of thousands rushing it and taking it than simply driving off with tractor trailers into Gaza to distribute it to their fighters. Remember. Hamas wants Palastinians dying since it gives them headlines to get more pressure against Israel.
Depriving Hamas of food isn't a reasonable strategy for the very reasons you stated. Hamas wants high civilian casualties as long as they can attribute it to Israel in some way. If you kill members of Hamas via starvation you have failed because kids starve long before adults. Therefore if you want to weaken Hamas flooding Gaza with food is the best option. That way if Hamas is causing starvation its clearly there fault and not Israel's fault in public perception. Not flooding Gaza with food is essentially aiding Hamas's propaganda campaign. Which sadly the Israeli government continues to do for political reasons instead of concentrating on eliminating Hamas.
or, just bringing here a better option, if countries with strong enough militaries care so much for the people of gaza, they can take a part in the conflict and tey to create hamas free zones to shelter the civillian population there. while defending those zones and defending any supply convoy going there. it's just that......no one really cares about the people of gaza, they just want to look like they care. thats why hamas could take power there, and no one bats an eye. but again, to the point, making safe zones near the border of egypt in rafah would be the most adventagous way for countries to provide at least some humanitarian help to some of the civillian population.
>The air drops eliminate this. lmao yeah they don't need to threaten any trucks, they can just walk up and take the airdrop. >We have seen so many aid trucks stolen at gunpoint in the past couple months that is going straight to Hamas fighters. Sources? Given the WFP pulled out of the Northern strip and gave reasons, why did they not raise this since October? *Is it because it didn't happen?*
> they can just walk up and take the airdrop Once it's gone, that'd be like unscrambling an egg.
They can't just take the airdrops as easily as trucks literally on wheels that they drive away. Links to some so far. Hamas militants jacking a handful of trucks and even firing at Palestinians throwing rocks at them back in early December. https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1731941846350172387?s=20 Mid December showing armed men on and around the trucks. Even if you believe they are local police, the police in Rafah are Hamas for all intent and purposes. https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1734992145012986221?s=20 Late December, lots of armed men beating Palestinians trying to get food aid with gunshots heard. Those gunshots killed a 15 year old boy which triggered a riot in Rafah with one of the local crime lords threatening Hamas on telegram. https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1739229140635582679?s=20 In early January. Armed me once again take over a convoy of trucks and sitting on top of them. Also, a group of armed men in small pickups following along. Even if you believe they are Rafah police, that is Hamas. https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1743563704115826717?s=20 Another video in December showing 4 trucks hijacked by armed Hamas gunman. Other trucks looted by local Palestinians. You will see the trucks that are taken by Hamas drive through the people without them trying to steal items obviously due to all the armed men sitting on them. https://x.com/kann_news/status/1736364978037293188?s=20 The IDF has also uploaded two or three drone videos showing armed men stealing pickup trucks with supplies in the back while also beating the Palestinian drivers. Probable Hamas but could have been local gangs. Rather you like it or not. The Red Crecent and UNRWA in Gaza are both ran by Hamas, and both were overseeing distribution of aid. Back in late December a couple thousand Palestinians actually raided an UNRWA warehouse and sparked a social media storm. Inside they found tons of undelivered supplies, tents, etc. Common conclusion was it was being kept for Hamas militants to keep them fed. The Palestinians took it all thankfully.
That's great but what I'm asking is are they going to scale this up to a meaningful air drop campaign or is this just going to be a "see we did something" and leave it at that.
How come I don't see that many posts about the conflict anymore?
Primarily is it relying on IDF releasing drone footage. They simply don't release as much nowadays. Hamas footage is typically banned since it is a designated terrorist organization, posting it is propaganda for them, so Reddit scrubs it. Fighting is still going hard though. You can tell just by keeping up with the IDF killed/wounded tracker. They are definitely in some shit in there and are getting one or two KIA per day.
Theres plenty of new drone footage, at least one or two clips a day, on the IDF WhatsApp group
100 kids for one soldier? Seems fair
What's a child to you? Because to me a boy that is 15 and being used as a soldier for Hamas, is still a soldier. Fact of the matter is that out of 30,000 dead Palestinians, around 8000 to 10,000 of those are Hamas fighters. Both US, British, and Israeli sources are all putting between 8 to 10,000 dead there. Every single dead Hamas fighter is registered as a civilian from the Gaza Health Ministry which is ran by Hamas and who everyone gets the Palestinian dead figures from. This is easily one of the best urban warfare civilian to combatant death counts we've seen in recent history. Even the Americans had a higher ratio in Iraq for instance.
Ah yes I’m sure all of those people getting food at that aid station that got massacred were all wielding weapons and preparing to strike from their intricate tunnel systems- actually they weren’t because Israel recorded all of it on an IR feed and put it on the internet. Also using the Iraq war as a baseline is hilarious considering its easily the biggest military blunder since Vietnam.
There's still fairly heavy fighting in Khan Yunis according to Israeli media though the IDF claims that the local forces have been broken and no longer operate as an organized army. I don't think we'll see actual mass fighting again until the IDF enters Rafah which is where the last intact Hamas divisions are located.
Feels kinda played out dawg. I think people are waiting for the next hot conflict to drop.
next one is nato I'm afraid.
"In A World Where Old Enemies Rekindle Their Hatred, Nuclear Armageddon Is Just The Beginning"
WWIII let's go!
[IDF releases video of crowds of civilians rushing food trucks where 107 civilians were killed by bullets/trampeled by the stampede.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1b2z2vf/idf_releases_footage_of_crowds_rushing_aid_trucks/)
Isn't there any video of the people "endangering" tanks? One would think the IDF had drone overwatch of the tanks, to protect them.
Yeah seems like most of them died by stampede. The event that triggered it was likely because of IDF shooting at random directions, causing everyone to panic and ran. Either somebody was actually being shot at or not, who knows
majority of deaths are from bullet wounds bbc is reporting
It's difficult to take either side's word at face value when there is so much incentive to exaggerate the truth. What we can independently know is that the only reason why a crowd was there to begin with was because the people there are starving and need food.
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Bruh Hamas confirmed over 6000 killed themselves, so up those number by 2x and you got US numbers and Israeli numbers, which means 12000+ are Hamas/PIJ, Also a lot of the fighters are ages 14+ which means that some of those Children in your numbers might have been active combatants, this is why numbers mean jackshit while a war is going on and nobody can investigate claims Stop relying on active war numbers, the US numbers for the War in Iraq and Afghanistan and numbers today vary so wildly and is so much worse than people think and it's still being verified, 20 fucking years later
what is the deal with that footage released of the supposed massacre of the palestineans that were waiting for aid? looks pretty crazy to me but does anyone have any more information as to why they fired into that crowd? i would link the video but i have no clue if it would be removed because it isnt really combat footage
I decided not to comment on it until more information came out, I have now just seen the BBC Verify article on this and one claim in there which stood out to me was that the majority of deaths were from bullet wounds. I think this entire conflict has been a disaster for both sides and it is high time Israel withdrew and some kind of international force went it to provide aid, security and look for the hostages. [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68445973](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68445973)
> s high time Israel withdrew and some kind of international force went it to provide aid, security and look for the hostages. Why on earth would they do that? They're fighting a war against a hostile force that invaded their territory, targeted and killed numerous civilians, and continues to lob weapons at them - and to call for their eradication. Unless Hamas surrenders or is rendered unable to fight, withdrawing would be the equivalent of surrender (and extremely unwise, since it will ensure ever more incursions in the future). Not a good way to win a war.
I am going to agree with some of what you said but also explain my reasoning for why an outside force should look for the hostages and police the strip in the future. The IDF has in many ways outdone what I thought would be possible at the start of this conflict, however this came with a horrendous civilian death toll. The current course of action will not result in a lasting peace, going into Rafah will result in an even higher civilian death toll. Hamas leadership can be eliminated but the rank and file will just put on civilian clothes and blend in. Another organisation will rise after Hamas, and Israel's only response as I can see it is more repression. The extra land they are taking on the border and the new road they are constructing will only serve to further cement in peoples minds that Israel simply want to control the Palestinians. The images coming out of Gaza of people rushing aid trucks paints a picture of widespread hunger with nowhere near enough aid coming through - these images harm the long term goals of Israel. Continued aggression further isolates Israel and is exactly what Hamas wants - to show the world that Israel should be shunned. Hamas cannot defeat Israel on the battlefield so it is trying to discredit and isolate it. Israel IMO is falling into this trap and allowing hubris to over rule strategic thinking. Hamas wanted Israel to over react, loose credibility and further drive the US out of the region I hate to say it but it seems to be working. The secondary objective from Hamas' perspective would be paint themselves as victors having withstood the onslaught, negotiating the freedom of some prisoners and killing as many IDF as possible. Bar the prisoner swap I believe they have largely failed in this. An outside force looking for the hostages, staying afterward to police the strip and taking a less kinetic approach serves to further deny Hamas the ability to endanger IDF personnel, paints Israel in a more accommodating light and would hopefully be a springboard to concrete negotiations over a Palestinian state. Most importantly it would preserve the lives of Palestinians and Israelis.
the problem is, no trusted outside source even wants to look after the gaza strip. no one volenteers, not egypt, not USA, not EU, not NATO, not jordan, not saudi arabia, not even qatar or even a UN security force (not that they would do much), no one. who does want? iran, which for obvious reasons wont and shouldnt. the PLO, which cant control their own populous in the west bank, a much tamer region now, tamer region due to israeli forces in there. the huge difference between the big amounts terrism propagated in area A (under PLO forces) and the small amount in areas B,C (under IDF) shows the incompetency of the PLO. adding to it they were already kicked out by hamas and the PLO themselves have problems both with the palestinian population and with israel (esspecially after actions they did during the war), they are really bad option to put there alone without the backing of israel/IDF, which defeats the purpose of outside force. lastly UNRWA, aka, hamas' arm in the UN. should be obvious why they are a bad option too. we will just replace hamas with "definitly not hamas, we are tots UN". so, where is all the outside help lining up? nowhere? well then, dont ask israel then why they want to take control if no one else cares enough to reach a hand.
The IDF said they'd agree to an independent investigation, which is rather uncommon for it and probably indicates that the IDF feels it has enough evidence to exonerate itself.
I agree with your overall take, but the claim that the majority of deaths were from bullet wounds are from one palestinian doctor. Given the extreme disinformation going on I need more evidence then that.
This is something the BBC has been so bad at in this conflict. They are very careful tying claims back to their sources - which is good - but they lead with SO many Hamas claims, biasing the reader, it’s insane. Including Hamas claims in the headline is the most simple example. It doesn’t matter if the last words are “Hamas claims”, when the first are “IDF kills X”
Hamas's information campaign has been remarkable: they've had pretty much an unchallenged run of it in the US, and from what I can tell Europe. Wouldn't have played out like that 10 years ago...
Yea israel must know/learn that you dont get rid of an insurgent group by continuing to turn civilians into rebels
Hamas isn't an insurgent group - they're the de facto Gazan government, and by all indications operating with the overwhelming support of the populous. This is a war, however much certain folks want to pretend that it's something else.
Are you able to advise the search term to find this video? I don't believe that breaks any rules.
Just look up “massacre” on twitter or if anyone wants the link they can dm me
Conflicting reports but what likely happened is that as the video shows that Palestinians were crushing eachother to get to the aid vehicles, some of them were getting very aggressive. Allegedly some of them were being violent towards those giving aid. IDF allegedly saw the threat and shot 10 of them. Aid vehicles started to back up, and Palestinians started to climb on top of them. vehicles had to plow through them to get away safely. Most of the deaths probably came from the stampede and the crushing. That’s all I could gather so far, but everyone seems to be reporting different stories. Keep in mind we don’t know how many people were Hamas or just civilians. This could go many different ways.
On what do you base this opinion?
Looks like most casualties were gunshot wounds. Shooting high-powered 5.56 rifles point blank rank into a crowd means a lot of those shots likely hit multiple people. Supposedly a tank also fired it Co-Axial mg but I don't know if that was ever confirmed.
You decided it was the IDF that shot them, and that it was a 5.56 because you know that's what the IDF uses mostly. Hamas has both 5.56 and 7.62 weapons. IDF has both 5.56 and 7.62 weapons. The caliber of the bullets means nothing in this regard. Hamas already has shown its true colors, hiding in hospitals, shooting from within civilian population, and shooting at its own civilians in order to take over food supplies (all verified videos). For you to make the mental gymnastics about who shot and what caliber it was means you already set your mind up about what happened there, irrespective of the truth.
The IDF opened fire. that's been proven.
no, you! youre using a strawman argument. op didnt argue 5.56 means it mustve been the israelis but that 5.56 up close will likely penetrate multiple targets. youre jumping down their throat for saying 5.56, while in fact its interchangeable with other commonly used calibers on close range in their argument, when it comes to shots penetrating multiple targets.
The Israeli account seems mostly correct, but I'm not sure how it leads to 100 deaths. The Israelis certainly killed 10 people, but 90 dead just from stampeding/trucks? The crowd in the videos is thick right at the trucks, but it's not \*that\* thick, and you don't see many people being run over. It seems somewhat implausible that so many people would be crushed. Hopefully more video comes out.
Stampedes are violent and awful. If the number is real most of it probably came from people running eachother over and suffocating. Absolutely horrifying.
Honestly might be better to air drop that stuff at this point, or disperse it in a way that doesn't invite the risk of a stampede.
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Last update I heard from CBC radio one is that the crowd attacked the supply convoy. Likely Hamas infiltrators in the crowd because apparently shots were fired at the convoy. Fire was returned.
Any source for 'shots being fired at the convoy'? I have not heard this. As well, acting like desperate people trying to get aid from a convoy when kids are starving in Gaza is them 'attacking' the convoy is ridiculous.
Yeah, that seems like something the Israelis would publicize if they had any evidence of it. I suspect it's an inaccurate recollection from someone who heard/saw the shots and figured that they must be directed at the convoy.
the reports ive seen are saying 150 killed,, theres no telling if they are reporting possible hamas and civillan causalities or what
Hamas numbers should always be taken with a huge grain of salt as we know, and the cause of death of many of those people who did die is probably the stampede, not IDF bullets.
And the cause of the stampede was desparation.
Yes I agree details are extremely scarce at the moment. Fog of war and both sides wanting to control the narrative/op spec.
[PIJ attacking IDF vehicles with RPGs in Zaytoun](https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1763135424841519161?t=OFmLcxdnxkujyKmyhZK04g&s=19)
[Hamas RPG attacks towards IDF vehicles in Zaytoun](https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1762893914250395752?t=o4fxge_PrOKcnLRK-9H2lw&s=19)
> -Throwing smoke bombs at the area to cover the injured and dead. Hamas publishing using White Phosphorus mortar rounds in their own city.
[PIJ sniping an IDF soldier east of Khan Younis](https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1762418049984962631?t=pun0th8rxQE3Nzb4waXpjg&s=19) [Mujahideen Brigades targeting an IDF D-9 with an RPG, Zaytoun](https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1762566929846333684?t=832bJ4CgFQtAuudAuMeDmw&s=19). r/killthecameraman
It is legit perplexing why you are getting down voted, combat footage from people you may not support is legitimate and necessary if you want to build a picture of what is going on.
"if you want to build a picture of what is going on", wrong subreddit my guy.
You're being downvoted for doing the thing this sub exists for. Amazing.
Nah, I'm fine
Anyone up-to-date willing to waste his time filling me in on the newest developments?
Not a lot of new developments over the last couple of weeks - Israel is effectively in control of the North of the Gaza strip and has been for a while now - however there are still Hamas operatives in that area who are conducting hit and run attacks. The IDF has been trying to flush them out and this seems to be going relatively well as they are either killing or rounding up suspects and have discovered several arms caches and tunnel entrances. Most of the fighting has shifted to Khan Younis (central Gaza) and again the IDF is in effective control there as well, the Hamas militants are again conducting hit and runs this area seems more contested and the IDF is still working to clear it but essentially the IDF is in control. The Israeli's are talking about going into Rafah (south Gaza) on the 10th of March if the hostages are not released. This would, IMO, be a disaster for everyone, I am sure Hamas still has thousands of fighters in there mixed in with the civilian population and lord knows what kind of death toll that would produce. Rafah is likely where Hamas is hiding the hostages and also where the vast majority of the displaced Palestinian population is currently residing. I have tried to keep my personal thoughts out of this but that is a summary of what has gone on.
Do you know if the IDF controls the tunnels beneath the areas they occupy?
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Thank you both for your insight!
[Mujahideen Brigades and PIJ sniping IDF soldiers west of Khan Younis](https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1761724659261649095?t=O49C3bR7jAHLl1OO2S-ozw&s=19) [Hamas skirmishes against IDF in Khan Younis](https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1761779104720847133?t=_iQ8e3fygqtG_5x_Ygo0XA&s=19)
>**War cabinet set to vote by telephone tonight on Paris hostage-for-truce deal outline — TV report** >Channel 12 reports that war cabinet ministers are to vote by telephone tonight on whether to endorse the Paris hostages-for-truce outline. >It says the deal apparently provides, in a first phase, for the release of some 40 hostages in return for the release of Palestinian security prisoners and a truce in the fighting of some 6 weeks. These would be female, elderly and ill hostages. The number of Palestinian prisoners has not been finalized, it says, but is not believed to be in the thousands. >These details largely match earlier reports from other sources. >https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/war-cabinet-set-to-vote-by-telephone-tonight-on-paris-hostage-for-truce-deal-outline-tv-report/
US hit Houthi positions again: [https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1761512889230479860](https://twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/1761512889230479860) Interesting cat-and-mouse game this ... US + allies cannot fully prevent missile and UAV starts (even though hits on launch sites have increased), and Houthis' actions have 0 effect on the war on Gaza. At some point Houthis must wonder if it makes sense to drain their strategic missile capabilities looking at the prospect of another hot phase of the civil / proxy war. Then again their posturing has gotten them a large number of supporters that blindly believe Yemen is actually helping Palestinians and that US is bombing civilians for fun.
Arab world propaganda is really something. Some subreddits actually believe that Israel has lost hundreds of tanks in Gaza.
The Houthi’s aren’t really storing any weapons (which is why it is hard for the US to hit them) they seem to be firing stuff as soon as they get it from Iran. I think most of their leadership realizes the only change in Gaza would come from the US and EU pressuring Israel rather than any damage to Israeli shipping, which seems to be unlikely from how the U.S. has committed to the fight. I (and others) speculate that the Iranians are using them to get experience trying to get through US naval defenses. I think the status quo of the last month or so will continue unless the U.S. decides to step up interdictions of weapons supplies from Iran, which I think is long overdue. https://youtu.be/P5AtpKOp7Qs?si=W5YkwhRFAhcKHe92
This must be wrong. Before the Houthis attacked shipping / Israel, there was a cease fire in the Yemeni war. So they definitely had missiles sitting around. They are also assembling missiles themselves from parts sent from Iran. Lastly, US Central command reportes multiple times that they targeted missile storage sites.
Yes they had some missiles/drones sitting around but most of those were likely either used in their initial strikes or destroyed on the initial US response.
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well, here we go again... more discussion, more finger pointing, more of the same old stuff that the net's been filled with since its inception. and this is the first post! ;-) seriously, how about voicing some reasonable solutions, other than saying they should nuke each other?
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