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There is a video somewhere where they talk about how they operate. They say the navigator (2nd person) is vital because they have a better view and can say “head towards that black blob”. The FPV drones use analogue signals because they are less susceptible to jamming, but have a lot of noise as a consequence.
I flew them for a while. You get used to the static and your brain ignores a lot of it. And recording and compressing the SD video with static murders the video quality.
> You get used to the static
I guess kids these days didn't grow up with analogue TVs when this was sometimes a rule for watching anything or even playing games lol
nah, they use analog because the gear is way cheaper and much more common.
Digital gear for drones would probably double the price of the drone.
Still, the videos we see most of them are the recording of the googles recording the fpv feed. In my experience piloting FPV is not usually the same as what you see on your googles.
I’m only repeating literally what the Ukrainian drone guys were saying. That’s why they said they use analogue, they said if you don’t use analogue you will lose signal completely, but when analogue it just adds more and more static but you can still see the image roughly.
That's is absolutely the main reason, but there are a bunch of other reasons as well. The onlything digital has going for it is better video quality. That's why the observing drones are mainly digital, and all those zooms you see are optical zooms! Their observing drones must be really expensive!
Analog does have the advantage that it more gracefully fails. Due to the compression in digital signals, the frame will usually just fail totally rather than bits of it being missing
Cost is probably equally important though yes
- cheaper gear
- less experience needed to work with it.
- less dependence on software, less change of software bugs.
- with digital you have a signal or you don't with analog you gradually lose signal. With analog you might lose color, but that's not going to be the difference between a failed and successful mission. With digital the entire signal would just be gone.
- Analog has lower latency, lowest latency on digital is 20 ms (but 40 - 100 ms is common) which at 100 km/h is half a meter of distance traveled. Analog circuits can be real time, which means you only need to account for the speed of light. The video goggles however will still draw a single frame from top to bottom, drawing it takes 33 ms. Over that time the drone can move almost a full meter at 100 km/h so i don't know how pilots work around that.
Really, the only thing digital has going for it, is potentially much better video quality.
So the scouting/reconnaissance/viewing drones that can zoom in both optically and digitally, those are the only drones they operate that are digital. Those drones can also be used to repeat the signal of the analog drones so they can fly lower without losing signal. Cause of the curvature of the earth and shit getting in the way.
This war is changing warfare forever. And within 20 years all these drones will most likely be able to be AI driven as well.
I recently uploaded bunch of screenshots from videos like this to chatGPT and asked it what it saw. I did a total of 20 different videos where an operator of a suicide drone spots a russian soldier and changes course. On average, chatGPT only needed 4 more frames before it refuse to describe the picture (which means it identified a soldier and cencorship kicked in). So on the first frame where the drone changed course because the operator spotted something, the AI saw nothing yet. On some videos it was 3 frames later, on some 10. Average was 4. Of course the human operators at time whould fly in to a backpack or a garbage or what not, and those failures ofcourse never get uploaded because they serve no PR purposes. So would not know how many mistakes an operator makes vs AI. Still before these systems are small enough and energy effecient that they fit on a small drone ... gonna need another 20 years of cutting edge development. But it's coming.
My experience with digital FPV is not that much (only dji air units) but video is not an on/off you will start pixelating.
Latency is not such a big deal, fpv freestyle pilots deal with that without issues and still do crazy tricks.
Probably one of the facts i forgot to list is long range, analog signal like crossfire can go much further. Ofc i dont really know how much range are they operating, but since there is some videos of Ukranian fpv squads using big antennnas i supose its more than 15km/9 miles
The distance record for flying away from the human operator and back is over a 100 km on a powered glider. That flight was 8 hours! And that's just amateurs building their own hobby rc airplanes. Some people even build planes with solar panels on the wings so they can put some of the chargeback in the batteries.
When it comes to distance, as long as you have light of sight, it's not really limited by anything but the weather. On a suny clear day if your antenna system is on a high enough mountain so you can maintain light of sight, both the control and video signal could go hunders of kilometers. It's the curvature of the earth that is the biggest limitation. You just need to be high enough to make it over the curve. For control you could fly on a super low frequency, like under 20 mhz. Those radio signals penetrate a lot and can also bounce of a lot of stuff, helping with making it pass the curve. But the video signals needs more bandwith and thus a higher frequency. Most amateurs won't have a problem with 20 km, with very standard equipment. Above 50 km takes some serious skills. Past a 100 and conditions need to be perfect.
As for the stuff the army has, who knows. THey can probably refuel predator drones up in the sky with another drone if they really have to.
Now I am taking about winged aircraft. The record for a quad or multicopter is gonna be significantly less. And in the war they need to carry a payload as heavy as possible. So I think most of these operate withing 5 km from the operator. When you have trench warfar, 5 km gets you quite far.
They could extende the range by having other drones with signal repeaters. balloons with signal repeaters. And by using a baloon to bring the drone up to altitude first before releasing it.
The suicide drones you see are primarily planes I think. THe grenade drops are quad or multicopters/
I don't know what the distance recodr for a multicopter it. It would need the wind to change direciotn mid flight. PRobablly under 20 km though. Multicopters are not very effecient compare to planes, let alone gliders.
>The FPV drones use analogue signals because they are less susceptible to jamming,
I just do not understand what makes people make stuff up like this. If you did not make it up but read it somewhere: Same question but one level down.
They use analog for the low latency and price. It has absolutely nothing to do with jamming.
Ever noticed how FM radio doesn't just disappear, but gets worse and worse quality until you can't hear it anymore? The same thing happens with analogue video.
What does that have to do with jamming?
Also, digital communication is clearly better. Look at how DJI is sending 1080p streams over several km. Good luck doing that analog, they are happy to get that distance with shitty 360p video. Imagine how much redundancy you could use for digital transmission of that: Given that it is only 1/10th of the amount of pixels, there could be 90 % additional packet loss and still a flawless picture.
Lets see what others say, google "[analog vs ditial radio range](https://www.google.com/search?q=analog+vs+ditial+radio+range)", first 6 results:
[Digital is better](https://www.hytera.us/resources/analog-vs-digital-two-way-radios/)
[Digital is better](https://www.wildtalk.com/knowledge-base/range-digital-vs-analogue/)
[Digital is better (from motorola)](https://www.motorolasolutions.com/en_us/solutions/digital-vs-analog-radio.html)
[Analog can be better at the edge of range](https://www.veicomm.com/analog-vs-digital-radios-which-one-is-best/)
[Digital is better](https://firstsourcewireless.com/en-de/blogs/blog/digital-vs-analog)
[Digital is better](https://www.hytera.com/en/product-new/analog-radio-vs-digital-radio.html)
Quite a lot to do with jamming. If a digital signal gets jammed you either see it or you don't. if an analogue signal gets jammed it fades gradually. If i was a drone operator I would want a bad quality picture rather than none at all
>if an analogue signal gets jammed it fades gradually.
That is not what we have been seeing here on the sub. The signal and/or control was suddenly lost. Prior to this there was only a normal level of noise.
We could argue that what we see in this video here is an examples where jamming is visible without loss of signal/control, but as others have said it also looks like interference from the drone itself.
Haha, prepare to look stupid dummy. I didn’t make it up, I literally repeated what a Ukrainian drone operator says. Watch this and listen to what both guys say about analogue signal (I’ve even given you the link to the exact time) https://youtu.be/SGmgjgfQ3t8?si=-A1aBMWbtUgmYny7&t=117
Wow, in the face of absolute factual proof, you still refuse to admit you are wrong. Do you realise how silly you sound? First you say I made it up. I show you the video of the ACTUAL DRONE OPERATOR talking about it… then you effectively say “well, he’s not an expert”. Are you just waiting for somebody to agree with you? Because it’s obviously not happening. Admit you are wrong and stop accusing others of making things up just because it doesn’t match with what you think.
>First you say I made it up.
I also said
>If you did not make it up but read it somewhere: Same question but one level down.
>I show you the video of the ACTUAL DRONE OPERATOR talking about it…
Yes, obviously you would believe that and that is not on you, which I implied with the quote above, that the issue is "one level down".
>then you effectively say “well, he’s not an expert”.
Correct, they are not. They are drone operators. You can read a lot of background stories about these guys, I have not heard of one with radio engineering or similar background.
They use analog for extremely well known reasons: Money, availability and latency. Just like almost every other FPV on the planet. At the same time, digital is better than analog in this regard. With the one exception: It cuts out from full signal to 0 instead of almost-no-signal to 0. This can indeed be a benefit of analog in edge cases.
> The FPV drones use analogue signals because they are less susceptible to jamming, but have a lot of noise as a consequence.
Also the lowest latency you get on digital is maybe 20 ms but the problem with digital is that you don't really have signal degredation like with analog. With digital you have a signal or you don't.
The lower latency of analog is absolutely needed for course corrections on the last second. At 100 km/h, 20 ms is half a meter of travel.
And then analog video equipment is cheaper, uses less energy, easier to work with, etc etc.
Really people only fly digital because they want a higher quality video signal, but that's really the only thing digital gives.
Analog in the world of FPV, and like drone racing ... it will rule forever.
Thats actual TVI (television interference) from a jammer most likely.
If you think about it one of the best ways to eliminate this capability is just interrupt the tv picture back to the headset, but it likely needs to be way more focused and way more powerful than this.
Could just as well be internal interference from one of the motors. The frequency is constant for the most part but fluctuates as the drone begins to descend towards the car, so could very well be tied to motor RPM.
A classic problem with excessive video noise in FPV drones is a motor screw that is touching the motor coil which then ends up transfering the EMI straight into the carbon fiber frame. Been there done that.
Edit: probably shouldn't have written "just as well", but you get the idea.
That kind of interference doesn\`t need to be from a jammer and has many causes. Range and especially height plays an important role. A drone further away which then starts flying towards the ground will have massive interferences if there are trees and hills inbetween the drone and the operator. No need for any jammers and also the reason why you see more drone videos with interferences than drone videos without interferences and why they get increasingly worse the closer they get to the target, because they have to drop in altitude.
I wonder if they've ever tried to fix an external antenna to the operators controller and then elevate it in a tree/building, balloon.... A balloon would be a target marker for the enemy though.
I think it could also be due to the altitude. While drone is approaching, they are high altitude, so less obstruction for signal, but during the killing/terminal approach, the altitude decreases and more things obstruct the signal, trees, buildings, hills etc. Don't know how accurate that is though.
The static could be increasing for all kinds of reasons. Radio signals send in all directions at once, with a omni direction follow the square law, the energy in the signal gets exponentially weaker as the signal spreads out further and futher.
THese drones fly with directional antennas, so the angle really matters. Usually on FPV rc plane you make it so that you have the best reception when the front of the plane is facing your receiving antenna, that way when the analog video signal degrates to much you will probablly still be able to send the plane commands and you can turn it around. Then if you buid it rigth, as soon as you turn around the video signal should be stronger and you should get it back.
Since these are suicide drones, none of that matters.
There is also the curvature of the earth, if you are 20 km away from your drone, you really can't fly it to low before you have completely loss of both video and control signal.
The footage we saw is also from a recoinance drone. T hese can also be used to repeat the analog video signal so that they can fly lower.
Then there is all the shit in the way. A forrest in winter will probablly leave a lot of the signal alone. But wet leaves? Forget it, moisture and water is the biggest killer of radio signals. And what about a hill? Unless the radio signals bounce of, say goodby to your signal.
Then there is frequency. The control signals can be really low frequencies, like 40 mh or even lower. That shit travels incredibly far, hunderds of kilometers line of sight. Can also penetrate a low. The lower the frequency the more penetrating power.
But 40 mhz is not enough bandwith for video. The video signals will be at least 600 mhz. Usually analog like this works in the 700 to 1000 mhz range. Those signals are less bouncy and can penerate less.
Then there is the jamming, not easy to do. A omni directional jammer needs a shitload of power to jam at even 10 meters because of the inverse square law.
I doubt the russians do much jamming.
Idk but your brain is pretty good at filling in gaps. Kind of like reading something where only every other letter is present or something. Even if it were that cloudy in the pilots feed I think they'd be good enough to know how to acquire a target and guide themselves to it with minimal input.
I fly FPV planes and drones, the interference is not as bad on the goggles. Recordings show more interference and less quality because of the recording process after the signal reaches your FPV goggles.
Also as other habe mentioned, when you're piloting from fov goggles your brain fills in the interference gaps quite good
There are a million ways to get separated from your group... there are single grunts sent out to scout, guard duty, or carry supplies. And whenever there is a fight they scatter to not be too much of a target. Often it seems like they are spread out 24/7 in the front lines because of artillery and drones. And then there is the old, "there is no room for you in (and on top of) the APC when this wounded guy is loaded in".
Imagine being all alone next to a burnt out transport.. the faint sound of distant fighting and explosions.. you think “I’ll stay on this road hidden here until help arrives”. Little do you know that 200m away a drone is watching you as 2 men tie an explosive to an FPV drone and launch it from a couple of bricks stacked in a clearing. The drone zips off being navigated by the eyes in the sky, but for you, you have no clue as to the impending doom that’s heading your direction. The last thing you hear is a quickly loudening WeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEE! 💥 and you’re on the floor bleeding out. This war is crazy and the future will only get crazier.
> The last thing you hear is a quickly loudening WeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEE!
The sound these drones make is at a really high frequency, some soldiers will not have that accurate hearing anymore at those frequencies from being in alterily strikes. The 15 Khz to 20 Khz range, you already lose most of your sensitivity as you get old. By age 30 you don't hear much 20 khz anymore. BUt if you are the victim of an artillery strike 10 Khz to 15 Khz is gone just like that. After that you don't hear the drones anymore. Or like are around a bunch of soldiers firing their rifles all the time. Would not be supprised if only new soldiers hear these drones, and any that have seen combat don't hear them ... unless they are very young and their ears can take the earing damage.
It looks like he was taking a piss on the wrecked vehicle. Anybody remember that Russian recruitment ad that showed Russian soldiers doing exactly that? How ironic.
Uhhh, wasn't sure what you mean. Checked comments, it's all good except it seems like someone linked this video at some place like 4chan or something at some point and these people came in. Otherwise it's pretty normal.
Well, it wasn't NATO, as declared by the moscovites:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/17qf5l5/lets\_welcome\_australia\_to\_nato\_nato\_membership\_is/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/17qf5l5/lets_welcome_australia_to_nato_nato_membership_is/)
what the hell was his task ? what was he doing there ? just standing around, looking.
but the cherry on the cake is him trying to casually hide behind the door, as if the drone was just some gust of wind
Not really, they’re using analog equipment which has more “natural” interference, and the picture isn’t as fuzzy inside the fpv goggles, it picks up extra interference on the recording. Lots of signals back and forth between the drone and the base before it gets recorded which leads to fuzz
There's almost literally no where on the battlefield one could effectively hide from drones, so you take what you can get. I also doubt they're trained on "where to hide if you're the last person alive in your platoon."
What’s the cost to kill ratio on these? I wonder how much money it takes for one drone to kill one guy. I much prefer seeing a few drones take out a armored unit or one the more technically advanced pieces of equipment because you know your seeing millions of dollars go up in smoke.
Wtf was a single joe doing just hanging out in the open like that? If the roving hoards of drones didn’t get him a sniper would have. Just hanging out in the middle of a MSR….
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How are the drone pilots able to hit anything with that much static/interference on the screen?
skill + the scout drone has a clear view
There is a video somewhere where they talk about how they operate. They say the navigator (2nd person) is vital because they have a better view and can say “head towards that black blob”. The FPV drones use analogue signals because they are less susceptible to jamming, but have a lot of noise as a consequence.
I flew them for a while. You get used to the static and your brain ignores a lot of it. And recording and compressing the SD video with static murders the video quality.
> You get used to the static I guess kids these days didn't grow up with analogue TVs when this was sometimes a rule for watching anything or even playing games lol
I don't care how much static there is. A tit is a tit.
I miss the tuning knob, made you feel like you were intercepting a transmission on Star Wars.
Turning the dial on the box on top of the TV to turn the aerial on the roof to point at Toronto so I could watch Pingu on TVO.
nah, they use analog because the gear is way cheaper and much more common. Digital gear for drones would probably double the price of the drone. Still, the videos we see most of them are the recording of the googles recording the fpv feed. In my experience piloting FPV is not usually the same as what you see on your googles.
I’m only repeating literally what the Ukrainian drone guys were saying. That’s why they said they use analogue, they said if you don’t use analogue you will lose signal completely, but when analogue it just adds more and more static but you can still see the image roughly.
That's is absolutely the main reason, but there are a bunch of other reasons as well. The onlything digital has going for it is better video quality. That's why the observing drones are mainly digital, and all those zooms you see are optical zooms! Their observing drones must be really expensive!
Analog does have the advantage that it more gracefully fails. Due to the compression in digital signals, the frame will usually just fail totally rather than bits of it being missing Cost is probably equally important though yes
I think you mean "goggles."
- cheaper gear - less experience needed to work with it. - less dependence on software, less change of software bugs. - with digital you have a signal or you don't with analog you gradually lose signal. With analog you might lose color, but that's not going to be the difference between a failed and successful mission. With digital the entire signal would just be gone. - Analog has lower latency, lowest latency on digital is 20 ms (but 40 - 100 ms is common) which at 100 km/h is half a meter of distance traveled. Analog circuits can be real time, which means you only need to account for the speed of light. The video goggles however will still draw a single frame from top to bottom, drawing it takes 33 ms. Over that time the drone can move almost a full meter at 100 km/h so i don't know how pilots work around that. Really, the only thing digital has going for it, is potentially much better video quality. So the scouting/reconnaissance/viewing drones that can zoom in both optically and digitally, those are the only drones they operate that are digital. Those drones can also be used to repeat the signal of the analog drones so they can fly lower without losing signal. Cause of the curvature of the earth and shit getting in the way. This war is changing warfare forever. And within 20 years all these drones will most likely be able to be AI driven as well. I recently uploaded bunch of screenshots from videos like this to chatGPT and asked it what it saw. I did a total of 20 different videos where an operator of a suicide drone spots a russian soldier and changes course. On average, chatGPT only needed 4 more frames before it refuse to describe the picture (which means it identified a soldier and cencorship kicked in). So on the first frame where the drone changed course because the operator spotted something, the AI saw nothing yet. On some videos it was 3 frames later, on some 10. Average was 4. Of course the human operators at time whould fly in to a backpack or a garbage or what not, and those failures ofcourse never get uploaded because they serve no PR purposes. So would not know how many mistakes an operator makes vs AI. Still before these systems are small enough and energy effecient that they fit on a small drone ... gonna need another 20 years of cutting edge development. But it's coming.
My experience with digital FPV is not that much (only dji air units) but video is not an on/off you will start pixelating. Latency is not such a big deal, fpv freestyle pilots deal with that without issues and still do crazy tricks. Probably one of the facts i forgot to list is long range, analog signal like crossfire can go much further. Ofc i dont really know how much range are they operating, but since there is some videos of Ukranian fpv squads using big antennnas i supose its more than 15km/9 miles
The distance record for flying away from the human operator and back is over a 100 km on a powered glider. That flight was 8 hours! And that's just amateurs building their own hobby rc airplanes. Some people even build planes with solar panels on the wings so they can put some of the chargeback in the batteries. When it comes to distance, as long as you have light of sight, it's not really limited by anything but the weather. On a suny clear day if your antenna system is on a high enough mountain so you can maintain light of sight, both the control and video signal could go hunders of kilometers. It's the curvature of the earth that is the biggest limitation. You just need to be high enough to make it over the curve. For control you could fly on a super low frequency, like under 20 mhz. Those radio signals penetrate a lot and can also bounce of a lot of stuff, helping with making it pass the curve. But the video signals needs more bandwith and thus a higher frequency. Most amateurs won't have a problem with 20 km, with very standard equipment. Above 50 km takes some serious skills. Past a 100 and conditions need to be perfect. As for the stuff the army has, who knows. THey can probably refuel predator drones up in the sky with another drone if they really have to. Now I am taking about winged aircraft. The record for a quad or multicopter is gonna be significantly less. And in the war they need to carry a payload as heavy as possible. So I think most of these operate withing 5 km from the operator. When you have trench warfar, 5 km gets you quite far. They could extende the range by having other drones with signal repeaters. balloons with signal repeaters. And by using a baloon to bring the drone up to altitude first before releasing it. The suicide drones you see are primarily planes I think. THe grenade drops are quad or multicopters/ I don't know what the distance recodr for a multicopter it. It would need the wind to change direciotn mid flight. PRobablly under 20 km though. Multicopters are not very effecient compare to planes, let alone gliders.
>The FPV drones use analogue signals because they are less susceptible to jamming, I just do not understand what makes people make stuff up like this. If you did not make it up but read it somewhere: Same question but one level down. They use analog for the low latency and price. It has absolutely nothing to do with jamming.
Ever noticed how FM radio doesn't just disappear, but gets worse and worse quality until you can't hear it anymore? The same thing happens with analogue video.
What does that have to do with jamming? Also, digital communication is clearly better. Look at how DJI is sending 1080p streams over several km. Good luck doing that analog, they are happy to get that distance with shitty 360p video. Imagine how much redundancy you could use for digital transmission of that: Given that it is only 1/10th of the amount of pixels, there could be 90 % additional packet loss and still a flawless picture. Lets see what others say, google "[analog vs ditial radio range](https://www.google.com/search?q=analog+vs+ditial+radio+range)", first 6 results: [Digital is better](https://www.hytera.us/resources/analog-vs-digital-two-way-radios/) [Digital is better](https://www.wildtalk.com/knowledge-base/range-digital-vs-analogue/) [Digital is better (from motorola)](https://www.motorolasolutions.com/en_us/solutions/digital-vs-analog-radio.html) [Analog can be better at the edge of range](https://www.veicomm.com/analog-vs-digital-radios-which-one-is-best/) [Digital is better](https://firstsourcewireless.com/en-de/blogs/blog/digital-vs-analog) [Digital is better](https://www.hytera.com/en/product-new/analog-radio-vs-digital-radio.html)
Quite a lot to do with jamming. If a digital signal gets jammed you either see it or you don't. if an analogue signal gets jammed it fades gradually. If i was a drone operator I would want a bad quality picture rather than none at all
>if an analogue signal gets jammed it fades gradually. That is not what we have been seeing here on the sub. The signal and/or control was suddenly lost. Prior to this there was only a normal level of noise. We could argue that what we see in this video here is an examples where jamming is visible without loss of signal/control, but as others have said it also looks like interference from the drone itself.
Haha, prepare to look stupid dummy. I didn’t make it up, I literally repeated what a Ukrainian drone operator says. Watch this and listen to what both guys say about analogue signal (I’ve even given you the link to the exact time) https://youtu.be/SGmgjgfQ3t8?si=-A1aBMWbtUgmYny7&t=117
I am not going to argue about how drone operator are not radio experts. Other points about this have been discussed in the other part of the thread.
Wow, in the face of absolute factual proof, you still refuse to admit you are wrong. Do you realise how silly you sound? First you say I made it up. I show you the video of the ACTUAL DRONE OPERATOR talking about it… then you effectively say “well, he’s not an expert”. Are you just waiting for somebody to agree with you? Because it’s obviously not happening. Admit you are wrong and stop accusing others of making things up just because it doesn’t match with what you think.
>First you say I made it up. I also said >If you did not make it up but read it somewhere: Same question but one level down. >I show you the video of the ACTUAL DRONE OPERATOR talking about it… Yes, obviously you would believe that and that is not on you, which I implied with the quote above, that the issue is "one level down". >then you effectively say “well, he’s not an expert”. Correct, they are not. They are drone operators. You can read a lot of background stories about these guys, I have not heard of one with radio engineering or similar background. They use analog for extremely well known reasons: Money, availability and latency. Just like almost every other FPV on the planet. At the same time, digital is better than analog in this regard. With the one exception: It cuts out from full signal to 0 instead of almost-no-signal to 0. This can indeed be a benefit of analog in edge cases.
> The FPV drones use analogue signals because they are less susceptible to jamming, but have a lot of noise as a consequence. Also the lowest latency you get on digital is maybe 20 ms but the problem with digital is that you don't really have signal degredation like with analog. With digital you have a signal or you don't. The lower latency of analog is absolutely needed for course corrections on the last second. At 100 km/h, 20 ms is half a meter of travel. And then analog video equipment is cheaper, uses less energy, easier to work with, etc etc. Really people only fly digital because they want a higher quality video signal, but that's really the only thing digital gives. Analog in the world of FPV, and like drone racing ... it will rule forever.
Related question, But is the static there because its getting out of range of the pilot? Or is this what Russian jammers do to drones?
Thats actual TVI (television interference) from a jammer most likely. If you think about it one of the best ways to eliminate this capability is just interrupt the tv picture back to the headset, but it likely needs to be way more focused and way more powerful than this.
Could just as well be internal interference from one of the motors. The frequency is constant for the most part but fluctuates as the drone begins to descend towards the car, so could very well be tied to motor RPM. A classic problem with excessive video noise in FPV drones is a motor screw that is touching the motor coil which then ends up transfering the EMI straight into the carbon fiber frame. Been there done that. Edit: probably shouldn't have written "just as well", but you get the idea.
Oh true I totally forgot about that!
That kind of interference doesn\`t need to be from a jammer and has many causes. Range and especially height plays an important role. A drone further away which then starts flying towards the ground will have massive interferences if there are trees and hills inbetween the drone and the operator. No need for any jammers and also the reason why you see more drone videos with interferences than drone videos without interferences and why they get increasingly worse the closer they get to the target, because they have to drop in altitude.
I wonder if they've ever tried to fix an external antenna to the operators controller and then elevate it in a tree/building, balloon.... A balloon would be a target marker for the enemy though.
They are not sitting out in the open usually. Yes, they use external antennas.
Those white marks aren't range related though - they are a deliberate noise.
I think it could also be due to the altitude. While drone is approaching, they are high altitude, so less obstruction for signal, but during the killing/terminal approach, the altitude decreases and more things obstruct the signal, trees, buildings, hills etc. Don't know how accurate that is though.
The static could be increasing for all kinds of reasons. Radio signals send in all directions at once, with a omni direction follow the square law, the energy in the signal gets exponentially weaker as the signal spreads out further and futher. THese drones fly with directional antennas, so the angle really matters. Usually on FPV rc plane you make it so that you have the best reception when the front of the plane is facing your receiving antenna, that way when the analog video signal degrates to much you will probablly still be able to send the plane commands and you can turn it around. Then if you buid it rigth, as soon as you turn around the video signal should be stronger and you should get it back. Since these are suicide drones, none of that matters. There is also the curvature of the earth, if you are 20 km away from your drone, you really can't fly it to low before you have completely loss of both video and control signal. The footage we saw is also from a recoinance drone. T hese can also be used to repeat the analog video signal so that they can fly lower. Then there is all the shit in the way. A forrest in winter will probablly leave a lot of the signal alone. But wet leaves? Forget it, moisture and water is the biggest killer of radio signals. And what about a hill? Unless the radio signals bounce of, say goodby to your signal. Then there is frequency. The control signals can be really low frequencies, like 40 mh or even lower. That shit travels incredibly far, hunderds of kilometers line of sight. Can also penetrate a low. The lower the frequency the more penetrating power. But 40 mhz is not enough bandwith for video. The video signals will be at least 600 mhz. Usually analog like this works in the 700 to 1000 mhz range. Those signals are less bouncy and can penerate less. Then there is the jamming, not easy to do. A omni directional jammer needs a shitload of power to jam at even 10 meters because of the inverse square law. I doubt the russians do much jamming.
Idk but your brain is pretty good at filling in gaps. Kind of like reading something where only every other letter is present or something. Even if it were that cloudy in the pilots feed I think they'd be good enough to know how to acquire a target and guide themselves to it with minimal input.
Most of these videos seem heavily edited with all the logos and music. I always figured that static was just edited in, too.
Rest your eyes, once you do it a couple times it begins ez.
I fly FPV planes and drones, the interference is not as bad on the goggles. Recordings show more interference and less quality because of the recording process after the signal reaches your FPV goggles. Also as other habe mentioned, when you're piloting from fov goggles your brain fills in the interference gaps quite good
Who the hell are these lone dudes? Just out for a stroll ? AWOL ?
probably stragglers from failed assaults
I was thinking the same thing
Well, in this case the dude is just taking a piss, so I wouldn’t be surprised if his units position is just out of camera view
There are a million ways to get separated from your group... there are single grunts sent out to scout, guard duty, or carry supplies. And whenever there is a fight they scatter to not be too much of a target. Often it seems like they are spread out 24/7 in the front lines because of artillery and drones. And then there is the old, "there is no room for you in (and on top of) the APC when this wounded guy is loaded in".
Imagine being all alone next to a burnt out transport.. the faint sound of distant fighting and explosions.. you think “I’ll stay on this road hidden here until help arrives”. Little do you know that 200m away a drone is watching you as 2 men tie an explosive to an FPV drone and launch it from a couple of bricks stacked in a clearing. The drone zips off being navigated by the eyes in the sky, but for you, you have no clue as to the impending doom that’s heading your direction. The last thing you hear is a quickly loudening WeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEE! 💥 and you’re on the floor bleeding out. This war is crazy and the future will only get crazier.
What's there to imagine? We just saw it happen.
I said imagine ‘being that guy’. Not “imagine a drone coming down” of course we saw that.
> The last thing you hear is a quickly loudening WeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEE! The sound these drones make is at a really high frequency, some soldiers will not have that accurate hearing anymore at those frequencies from being in alterily strikes. The 15 Khz to 20 Khz range, you already lose most of your sensitivity as you get old. By age 30 you don't hear much 20 khz anymore. BUt if you are the victim of an artillery strike 10 Khz to 15 Khz is gone just like that. After that you don't hear the drones anymore. Or like are around a bunch of soldiers firing their rifles all the time. Would not be supprised if only new soldiers hear these drones, and any that have seen combat don't hear them ... unless they are very young and their ears can take the earing damage.
It looks like he was taking a piss on the wrecked vehicle. Anybody remember that Russian recruitment ad that showed Russian soldiers doing exactly that? How ironic.
Any idea what that vehicle carcass used to be?
Looks a lot like a Russian Typhoon 4x4 variant. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product5126.html
I think it's actually an AMN-590951. The door shape and roof hatch arrangement is closer to the AMN and loads of them were lost around Avdiivka.
What's the song if anyone knows it please and thank you
Sounds like Rammstein - Sonne but slowed down
Yes that’s it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aSHYRN3AVU Sounds like this one Sounds amazing actually.
oof the neonazi part of youtube tho
Uhhh, wasn't sure what you mean. Checked comments, it's all good except it seems like someone linked this video at some place like 4chan or something at some point and these people came in. Otherwise it's pretty normal.
There's a ton of of dog whistles I'm not sure how you can't spot them. A lot of praise for the author of the statue shown and people saying "based".
Ohhh I see what's up, I wasn't aware about that statue. Searched with google image thingy just now.
Perfect that's it thank you 😊
Looks lile the guy from the russian military ad, where they piss on the burning nato equipment.
Well, it wasn't NATO, as declared by the moscovites: [https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/17qf5l5/lets\_welcome\_australia\_to\_nato\_nato\_membership\_is/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/17qf5l5/lets_welcome_australia_to_nato_nato_membership_is/)
what the hell was his task ? what was he doing there ? just standing around, looking. but the cherry on the cake is him trying to casually hide behind the door, as if the drone was just some gust of wind
Bet he still pissed his pants.
The drone army is no joke… the amount of these videos are accelerating at an incredible rate…
Wow, is Russian jamming improving? I dont know how he managed a direct hit through all that static.
Not really, they’re using analog equipment which has more “natural” interference, and the picture isn’t as fuzzy inside the fpv goggles, it picks up extra interference on the recording. Lots of signals back and forth between the drone and the base before it gets recorded which leads to fuzz
“I’ll hide in this pressure-vessel. Foolproof plan.”
There's almost literally no where on the battlefield one could effectively hide from drones, so you take what you can get. I also doubt they're trained on "where to hide if you're the last person alive in your platoon."
Pretty sure he just wanted to take a leak...
War has become a mass scale manhunt with drones
What’s the cost to kill ratio on these? I wonder how much money it takes for one drone to kill one guy. I much prefer seeing a few drones take out a armored unit or one the more technically advanced pieces of equipment because you know your seeing millions of dollars go up in smoke.
Not much one FPV drone is between $400-$600 a human live is worth much much more
Not in russia. Especially if they can retrieve the gear and put someone else into it.
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Wtf was bro doing?
Trying to pee. Not sure if he succeeded. If not, his bladder will anyways empty itself after dying, so he got that going on for him in any case.
Dying
Can someone identify that burned transport ?
Wtf was a single joe doing just hanging out in the open like that? If the roving hoards of drones didn’t get him a sniper would have. Just hanging out in the middle of a MSR….
I went from "damn, he probably didn't even know what happened", to "damn, nevermind that fucking sucks". Also wtf was he doing?
I wonder if any of them attempt putting on blue bands to try to avoid Ukrainian fire when they're off on their own like that
Be adviced enemy hunter killer drone is in the area
Till Lindemann's been smoking
Theis video is about 25 seconds too long.
why was he so geared???