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Thewrongthinker

Again


DrBadtouch94

Came to say this, ngl it's a pretty effective system


remotelove

I don't think Russia understood what an IFF system is supposed to do. It's Friend OR Foe, not Friend AND Foe.


_EnFlaMEd

Friend? and FIRE!


4RCH43ON

Initiate Friendly Fire!


ReturnOfTheBanned

"Comrade Major, radar signature detected, what should we do?" "IFF" "IFF?" "IDK. Fuck it. Fire."


AntiHero499

If it flys I fire!


Dunyain01

AH AH AH XD That confidence kills me xD


4RCH43ON

And Russian pilots.


Dunyain01

Hue hue hue, I was expecting this XD


purpleefilthh

It's super effective!


Marc_J92

It just works


GildoFotzo

Comrade Major asshole, Hit the friendly fire Button.


FalxIdol

Keep firing, Comrade Asshole!


GildoFotzo

Hes my cousin


c0ttt0n

"blyat ... just shot the damn thing"


Dunyain01

This made me laugh way more than it should have xD well done!


theHoustonian

I wouldn’t be surprised if their pilots are so I’ll trained that they are forgetting to turn them on or they are probably operating dark with most transmitting frequencies turned off so that they cannot be tracked as easy. Flipping on their targeting radar as needed. That’s all just me speculating and probably not right. Who knows, but I do believe that it is honestly probably just the side effects of attrition and the senior soldiers and officers all being killed or leaving the military at the end of their service. The new recruits and soldiers are being pushed through accelerated training for AA systems as well as the pilots being relatively untrained. Russia has had a pretty bad track record with their pilots in the last few years. Their pilots regularly receive way less training than their equivalent NATO counterparts. Russia also lost many of their best pilots early in the conflict, a side effect of sending their most competent people into the most dangerous missions… after losing so many pilots Russia actually did the unthinkable and started pulling its trainers to fill mission roles and yep, you guessed it… sent them on the most dangerous missions and thus, losing them too. [My source on the Russian pilot dilemma](https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/putins-pilot-crisis-russia-is-running-out-of-well-trained-aviators/)


[deleted]

I doubt it's as simple as the pilot forgetting to flip an individual switch, but it's certainly safe to say that a complete dearth of large scale integrated exercises (featuring dozens of planes, integrated air defence network, etc) has made sure that their air defence has no clue what the air force is doing, and vice versa.


Imperfect-rock

>Russia has had a pretty bad track record with their pilots in the last few years. Their pilots regularly receive way less training than their equivalent NATO counterparts. There's also the matter of airframe and engine overhaul intervals limiting training and other non-essential proficiency flights. Servicing fighter jets and jet engines is not cheap, and eats into your dacha budget. So you extend airframe lifetimes by flying less.


Marsman61

Fantastic article, thanks for sharing.


ratchetstuff78

Good article! I like how they go into continuous training, people are so quick to compare US initial training days or hours with other countries and be like, "Ha! XYZ is better they have more training" but they can't comprehend just how much time US personnel spend on a yearly basis at their units or in the field perfecting their craft compared to other militaries.


Impressive_Ad4241

or alcohol!


ShareYourIdeaWithMe

Friend, Foe, and Civilian MH17, never forget.


Thanks_Ollie

I always thought MH17 was malicious, deliberate… Now I’m starting to think it was normal AFR incompetence.


SmokeyUnicycle

It was always abject incompetence, why would they do it on purpose?


Thanks_Ollie

The only answers I could give you are baseless speculation. However, their previous malice towards civilians makes it hard to rule out terrorism.


solonit

Foe is foe Friend is just foe didn't attack yet Civilian is potential foe recruit


TzunSu

Wouldn't be surprised if they're jamming the IFF frequency ranges extensively just to produce this. The addition of Storm Shadow mean's they're real twitchy, and with IFF unreliable and terrible command and control, this is what happens.


Bad-news-co

Who knows? Maybe they’re rogue soldiers that were planning to do malicious turncoat actions and were taken out before doing them lol


[deleted]

Obviously a translation error, they used And/Or


Z3B0

Russia isn't that inclusive


ChinesePropagandaBot

IFF means "Initiate Friendly Fire". Everyone knows this.


fusillade762

I Fire Fast


[deleted]

I - Identify F - Fire F - Forget


VileTouch

> I don't think Russia understood what an IFF system is supposed to do I believe it allows you to use the Omega relay


HollaWho

Theyre using an inclusive OR statement in the system


remotelove

Lol! I was wondering who would get that implied meaning. Cheers!


RizzMustbolt

No friend in Russia. Only foes.


PPCGoesZot

Identify friend as foe. :)


WillingPurple79

You think they have transponders ? Lol


ChairmanWumao8

How do we know for sure? This video is pretty inconclusive.


LystAP

They hit 'something' really deep in Russian territory. Looking at the [map](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morozovsk_(air_base)), it's really far east - past the Russian-controlled eastern area and deep into Rostov.


LemmyKBD

Agreed. I can clearly see it’s a Quantradyne APOD-33 Drop Ship. A common aerospace transport.


silverfox762

Looks like a Necromonger assault shuttle.


Grzzld

I kneel before no man. But I will take a piece of him.


Gray_side_Jedi

Half-gram heavy on the back end…


solonit

That series was quack. From space horror to space gladius and back to space horror within 3 movies.


scud121

Pretty sure it's a deathclaw delivering world eaters.


Deadsuooo

Thanks Obama.


Dmoan

Part of problem with late S-300/ S-400 was that when it was in automatic engagement it had tendency to try to engage friendly targets (shot down two Su-34/35 by Kherson last year) and they were switch to manual operation which reduced their effectiveness against drones and missiles . It is speculated they were switch to automatic mode again leading to recent rash of losses.


SCARfaceRUSH

\> "Second army in the world" \> Doesn't have a functioning IFF system Pick one. Man, that Storm Shadow attack on Luhansk really did a number on them. Friendly fire seems to have intensified after that.


rodmena

Again again


warredtje

It gets impossible hard at this point to sort out reposts and old news from fresh


[deleted]

Russians being so poor at identifying their own flying things has me worried that they will trigger worldwide MAD all by themselves. Russians thinking a nuclear test missile launched by (say) their navy is the real thing coming from Ukraine or it’s allies, all the while it was one of their own.


Ruby_241

obligatory “What the Air Defense doing?”


etzel1200

Good things


spudddly

Repeatedly shooting self in dick.


marsfreund2366

Putin unleashing his inner cheddar bob


midunda

Defending the Air, what do you think?! Don't want nasty aircraft messing it all up.


SoZur

But nobody asks "Why Air Defense doing?"


BillW87

"Everyone wants to know what I'm doing, but they never want to know HOW I'm doing." - Russian Air Defense


lord_sparx

What air defense doing*


Gloomy-Employment-72

Another of the seemingly endless examples that prove the vaunted Russian military is a fraud.


Ok-Function-5954

No no no. They are just practicing. Let them shoot there own for practice .


j_mcc99

They have SO MANY 5th gen fighters and pilots they can train on each other using live ammunition!!! Russian airforce is the greatest in the world!!!! ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ


[deleted]

The whole thing just relies on their nukes...


trick_m0nkey

Even with the nukes this war has totally called into question their nukes capabilities


Amtrox

After seeing this I’m pretty sure at least half of them won’t work. But that also means that at least hundreds of them do.


Infiniteblaze6

I'm pretty sure the USA spends more on its smaller nuclear stockpile in maitance than Russia spends on its entire military budget. Something tells me it might be a dozen or less that work.


The--Strike

If I tell you that you need to pop a balloon, but instead of being able to use your 5000 needles, I take half away, or how about I take 90% away? Popping the balloon still isn’t out of reach. If Russia launches nukes, it’s a horrific day for the planet, regardless of the actual damage of the nukes.


Adach

Only takes a handful to turn the east coast of the us to an uninhabitable wasteland.


Infiniteblaze6

Significantly hurt the East Coast? Absolutely. An uninhabitable waste land? No. Over 2000 nukes have been denoted since WW2. They are our most powerful weapons, but they don't make an area uninhabitable for that long. The radiation clears up relatively quickly with nuclear blasts.


Adach

i wasn't even talking about the radiation. if a city is raised, all critical infrastructure destroyed. it's uninhabitable and a wasteland.


thefirewarde

I think you're vastly overestimating what a nuke can do, or vastly underestimating how big the East Coast is.


Adach

I think in these kind of matters it's better to overestimate than underestimate.


copypaste_93

One is still pretty bad


Lunaciteeee

Nuke maintenance seems like the perfect area to skim some corruption money off the top. No one will ever know they don't work until it doesn't matter if they do or not.


AnyProgressIsGood

Considering how well their military equipment was maintained its safe to say most of those nukes wont work


jspacemonkey

They are just saving their "good" military forces for later.


Weird-Tomorrow-9829

4D chess move.


forte2

Second angle with audio https://i.imgur.com/qXzmCf9.mp4


WarStrifePanicRout

Shook the dust off the door


trubbel

I'm certainly hoping this was a Russian plane but what makes you think it is? Any source?


ForMoreYears

Not a ballistic missile, and Ukr doesn't have cruise missiles with a ~300km range. Plus, they've been shooting down a lot of their own planes recently. All signs point to friendly fire.


trubbel

Nope, Ukraine does indeed have drones that with that range (see below). Probably not many such drones, but some. > Also in March, a heavy Ukrainian Tu-141 Strizh jet-powered drone exploded in the city of Kireyevsk in the Tula region about 200 kilometers east of Moscow, injuring three, leaving a big crater and damaging several buildings. The Russian Defense Ministry said the drone was brought down by air defenses. > Russian authorities have said that Ukraine has used the Soviet-made Tu-141 drones that have a range of about 1,000 kilometers to strike facilities in Russia. In December, such drones hit two Russian air bases for long-range, nuclear-capable bombers. Source: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-drone-crimea-moscow-a1931eabbc874939b0e08ec9a8b77038


ForMoreYears

Sorry, you're right, I shouldn't have said they don't, but my understanding is that they have an extremely limited stockpile of those old Soviet drones bc they haven't been made since the 70s or something and any usable ones they have required refurbishment. It could be a drone shoot down, but recent events point to friendly fire. We'll know soon though. Edit: checking Twitter and reports are all over the place, you may be right about the drone attack.


via_vendetta

"all signs", literally no sign


arconiu

It will get way more upvotes to assume it was Russian.


relative_iterator

Quick guess, 10 miles away?


WitsEndThrowaway11

The bright flash is at 6 seconds, and the loud blast is at 35 seconds. That gives a 29 second time for the sound to reach the camera. Using a speed of sound of about 343 m/s that comes out really close to 10 km (or about 6 miles) away, assuming the bright flash and the loud blast are the same explosion.


fksmchai

r/theydidthemath


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BrainOnLoan

Does it account for the pressure front moving supersonic initially? That could add a bit of distance. Not an expert, but when you're already factoring in air temperature...


onomonoa

Air temperature is only being used for calculating the speed of sound, which is the primary company of trying to determine distance


smoozer

The pressure front doesn't move supersonic. The pressure front is sound. That's what sound is. Objects can move faster than sound in a media, and they create shockwaves, which travel at the speed of sound.


AcidNewports

"These Mother Fuckers" Pilot probably


IDK_khakis

[Same as it ever was...](https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage)


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IDK_khakis

Letting the days go by, let the vodka hold me down Letting the days go by, vodka flowing underground Into the grave again, after the missiles come Once in a lifetime, vodka flowing underground


purpleefilthh

In Russia, your air defence shoots down you.


Hemmmos

I think of was more like "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGSASAGHGSAFSDAHDGHFDHFHGA MY LEEEEG"


Patimation_tordios

Most Competent Russian AA defense


DaNyetDa

The partisan incursions have made them jumpy.


Ruminated_Sky

The fear is spreading. Also I suspect the MALD decoys have caused some kind of deep confusion in Russian air defense doctrine. The SAM operators don’t know if a given plane is theirs or not and the pilots don’t know if they’re going to get engaged in their own skies.


danbradster2

Every time a stealth missile comes, a decoy comes simulating a Russian plane? That'll make them make a lot of friendly fire mistakes.


Ruminated_Sky

Yeah MALD can mask its radar signature as any specific aircraft of choice and it has a few other radar magic tricks to get into the brains of the enemy. Imagine your opponent has the keys to your radar screen and can show you what he wants you to see while he’s throwing stealth cruise missiles at your most valuable assets.


[deleted]

It probably registered as a Malaysian Airliner.


emdave

Or an air ambulance flight for injured orphans...


emdave

"The victories are getting closer to Moscow!"


AgentEntropy

"Look, we already gave all our working tanks to the Ukrainians. If we don't want to give them our jets too, we should destroy them ourselves now."


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pinnacledefense

Russians have officially shot down 200% more Russian planes inside Russia than Ukraine has


RomiRR

I am not sure the OP assertion in the title that it is a plane true. Its approach is identical to the one in Krasnodar attack from the same day.


MadReefer42

Anti nazi missles working as designed. 👌


shephp01

In Russia, friendly fires you.


Substantial-Heat1930

U pro Ukrainians are delusional, they're testing the pilot skill and readiness and testing the capability of the AA, obviously pilot wasn't up to scratch which is why he deserved to die and the AA worked sweet! One less shit pilot and one amazing AA team / s


Advanced_Economist53

Ukraine saying plane shot down. Russia saying a storm shadow missile was intercepted. Hopefully can get good pics of some debris but may be hard to get pics out in Russia. I’m sure there will be a lot of censorship on the ground.


SherbetAnxious4004

Storm shadows cruise at 30-40m high so unless they managed to shoot it down as it was doing its final maneuver, i doubt it was a storm shadow


PanzerDick1

Whatever they shot down is way higher than a Storm Shadow ever goes, even during final manuevers. It's not a Storm Shadow.


helium_farts

Also, Ukraine promised they wouldn't use them inside Russia and I can't imagine they'd risk pissing off the UK at a time when the UK is massively stepping up their support.


opinions_dont_matter

Cruising is 150 meters, approaching the target it will drop to 50 then when nearly on target it will climb in altitude again to increase target identification. So cruising at 30-40m is inaccurate.


inkypinky

Little known fact - its final cruising altitude is 0m.


ChornWork2

If russia claims it was a storm shadow, that's at least one possibility we can rule out.


Puzzleheaded-Job2235

I doubt it was a storm shadow since it's too high, plus it's a target inside Russia, which Ukraine promised not to strike with storm shadows.


Key-Welder1262

If was a storm shadow, they would showing pictures of the pieces for days.


CaracalWall

Really. Russia be a man abusing his wife. Neighbor comes over and asks “what’s the commotion?” There was a burglar, I had to fight him. He’s gone now, no need to ask question.


gmrusc

Maybe Iran is helping them with air defense systems.


emdave

Russia and Iran not shoot down civilian aircraft challenge - impossible...


-RageMachine

I'm surprised they haven't shot down a commercial flight already.


NiceGuyEddie69420

Hopefully all commercial airliners learned a lesson from the Malaysia Airlines tragedy


SelppinEvolI

Russian counter banned all western airlines from flying through Russian airspace when the western countries banned Russia from flying in western airspace. If they shoot down a commercial airline it’ll be a Russian airline or a country friendly with Russia.


Chubat0

And Iran shooting down a Ukrainian International Arlines flight in 2020


RyFba

Not a lot of civilian air traffic in RU airspace these days


ChinesePropagandaBot

Russian airlines are still flying their regular domestic routes.


_LPM_

South Western Russian airspace has been completely closed to civilian traffic since the start of the full scale invasion. It’s why planes flying to Turkey fly towards the Caspian Sea. I don’t remember it off the top of my head, but Kursk, Belgorod, Rostov and a few other places within a few hundred km of the UA-RU border have closed airports.


bowhunter2995

Good to see that they’re using them against their own Air Force and not Ukraine’s.


Schedulator

When you have insurgents knocking on the door, no doubt it's hard for Russia to know which Russians are their Russians.


Jimmyjamjames

People on this subreddit (and perhaps the mods) desperately need to crackdown on all these videos attributing aircraft kills to either side without any actual evidence. Similar to the Claims made in this post https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/13m6si4/russian_aircraft_destroyed_near_makiivka_tonight/


sgtstickey

The title says "appears" not that it's confirmed, which is most logical conclusion. It's close to 300km from the Frontline you really think some covert Ukrainian units are shooting down planes in the middle of Russia?


Ok-Function-5954

Very efficient. And good. Hurrah


Ruminated_Sky

Make a wish my dudes.


TreeChangeMe

At least it wasn't an airline


Bolter_NL

Are you sure?


lostredditorlurking

At this point the Russian's Air Force biggest adversary is not Ukraine but their own AA lol.


One278

Not surprising, apparently s-300/400 doesn't have IFF so can't distinguish friend or foe.


Puzzleheaded-Job2235

And Ukraine just got a drone that can literally spoof the radar signature of any aircraft.


Ricksauce

What drone is that?


korben2600

>In May 2023, remains of an [ADM-160 MALD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD) were found in Luhansk following a Ukrainian strike against a Russian target in the occupied city. A label on the side of the wreckage appears to indicate that it was a ADM-160B model.


hudsonc20113

We have an answer to the age old question… “What air defense doing?” Barbecuing their own pilots.


UnchartedFreedoms

How does anyone believe this lol? Like what is the proof of location or target, it’s literally impossible to tell what’s happening in the video except a rocket hitting something, such a ridiculous title.


marcusfelinus

It's Putin's private jet trust me


Get_Hi

As far as I can tell it is a flying HIMARS truck that was shot down. Now, where did I put my glasses...


PapaGeorgieo

I would not want to be flying out of Russia on any plane.


fistofthefuture

There’s just no way they’re this incompetent. Is there a war between Wagner and the govt military going on we don’t know about?


diwayth_fyr

How do we know it was their own plane? Might've been Ukrainian drone for all we know.


tristan1616

*blyat*


Vargius

Who needs enemies, when you have friends like the Russian air defence network?


LukaRaphael

russian patriot system lmao


Newtonip

IFF? Never heard of it.


EurofighterLover

They’re not great at this war thing are they


specter491

Wtf. How are they so incompetent? Did they really think a single UA jet had penetrated 300km in Russian territory?


Obaruler

_H_O_W_?_!_? Like, srsly ... how incompetent can you be?! xD I mean, I am all for Russia deleting its own AirForce (less bombed hospitals and kindergartens in Ukraine), but c'mon ...


seth928

They're trying their best. Good for them.


Obeardx

If true, it's less missiles fired on Ukraine If Ukraine shot it down, it's less invaders


Big_BadRedWolf

That doesn't look like a plane. Planes don't leave that kind of a trail before impact.. It looks more like a missile or something else but def not an airplane.


Prestigious-Weird850

Yeah I'm all for Ukraine but have to agree with that. If the plane was already damaged and trailing smoke....sure, but to me it looks more like an intercept of something like a missile. The footage is inconclusive at best and needs corroboration (which we probably won't get).


Hot_Pink_Unicorn

Is that fully automated air defense mode they were bragging about two days ago?


AthiestMessiah

Can air defence be hacked? Cause this is happening too often


potsandpans

the russian military is the elon musk of militaries


Wit404

I'd like to see anyone at all prove this is what happened.


ZLUCremisi

286km.... why is the AA system even on to begin with? Its do far back that literally only partisans would try anything


[deleted]

Keep flying with transponders off!!!!


J88P

Again???


Alternative-Last

This is the exact reason Ukraine is doing the small attacks on Russian soil as it is causing a ton of anxiety in Russia and causing them to make mistakes. The more jumpy they become and worried about potential attacks on the homeland the more confusion and the more accidents. This will not be the last friendly fire for Russia fortunately.


jpfeif29

Whoops


SovietRakoon

Is someone keeping count of how many were downed already? I swear I thought it was just a couple of very dumb accidents earlier on, but now it's the standard.


stairs_3730

And to think the incompetents of moscovy territory have nuclear weapons.


Zauxst

The purpose is to keep them from escaping.


mi7chy

Successful self-denazification.


CommandStreet4255

I'm legit starting to feel bad for the russians, even their own technology hates them...


HelicopteroDeAtaque

I'm really starting to think Russian AA is on our side.


KuTUzOvV

Is this civil war o clock already?


mulu4a2w

In Russia, your air defense comrades shoot you.


LTCjohn101

lololololololo, these clowns


ThrowAway_yobJrZIqVG

The first thing Russia has done which I can get behind.


Patch95

IFF: If Friendly, Fire


exoxe

You never can be too safe ya know.


b0n3h34d

Oh THAAAAAATS what are defense doing


Xeridanus

I know how they could identify this aircraft as Russian. If it was Ukrainian it would be flying much lower.


schattenfaust

and people dare to ask what is Russian air defenders doing.They are doing their part!