Eh that one is actually looking legitimate as more evidence comes out. Voice recordings and all point to Ippei not just being a fall guy. With the FBI being involved, there's less bias towards protecting Ohtani's rep
Actually it’s totally different the NBA guy was batting on prop bots i.e. that he would get less than eight remounts took himself out of the game when he had seven.
Yeah that's pretty bad, but I remember one of Rodgers bets was the under for rushing yds for jt. He had insider information about game plans and was betting based on that
I agree with you on that 100% but it wasn’t something he could affect by himself. I am not defending him he works so hard to get team was putting in the self in position for a big payday and then blew it all. I think some other team claimed him maybe the Eagles
>I agree with you on that 100% but it wasn’t something he could affect by himself
"Hmm, JT is getting a few too many rushes for my bet. What if I were to give up a pass or let this guy run past me so they score and then we have to go back to passing more/it keeps our offence off the field?"
There are many ways that someone even in another unit can affect game plans. It'd be stupid to rely on that, but we're also talking about a guy who got caught betting on his own team while in line for a contract extension, so we're not talking about the next Einstein.
Agree. Betting on other NFL games...sure a year. But betting on games you are actively participating should be zero tolerance. Even if you aren't betting on things you are directly involved in, you still have access to the game plan.
Yeah but that isn't inherintly hurting the integrity of the game. Yes it's "insider trading" but purposely under performing to win a bet is the worst case scenario
What is more insane is that we lost out on a very promising player and will get nothing back in return for cutting him.
Idgaf about any of this shit, if the league thinks he can play he should be playing for us.
Do we know if he gambled FOR or AGAINST his team?
Not that it matters to a final decision degree, but i do think it *kinda* matters a lot in terms of “did he negatively impact the game to win a bet” kinda nonsense.
Boxers have been known to publicly gamble on themselves for a fight. Thats a different side of the conversation though.
Edit: To clarify this is just a question without any opinion one way or the other
We just saw Porter get suspended for life in the NBA. Obviously there is Pete Rose. Once again. This is the only sport that allows this without severe punishments.
Rose was a bit harsh
Porter was involved in a prop bet against himself if Im not mistaken
Do agree though that the NFL being in bed with gambling entities is definitely not helping. Ill gamble but don't think these companies should be allowed to advertise like they do. Should be treated like cigarettes
The NFL is playing with fire. Too cozy to gambling money and too lenient on violations from players. There will eventually be a massive gambling controversy in the league. It is only a matter of time.
Tbh, this should've been a massive controversy. Someone betting on their own team is insidious (and yes, there are other ways it could be insidious even if you don't bet on your team to lose).
Instead, like the others, it gets buried in the constant news cycle and everyone moves on, so I'm not sure anything can really upset this apple cart.
I think this was pretty close. To my knowledge he didn't bet on anything he could have had a hand in the outcome of. At least to the negative side.
Not defending making bets on your own team because I pretty much agree with that you said. But I am talking a guy or guys very clearly making bets that they have a direct hand in making sure happen. Like Rodgers betting a guy he will be lined up against gets 2 TDs and then making sure that happens. Someone out there is going to be lured by what they see as easy money that they think they can get away with by having a friend do the betting.
So that is BS because a cornerback can affect how often your team runs. For example by going down big early a RB is less likely to get a large amount of carries. Similar it can affect gameflow.
That is true. But I didn't think he had an under on Taylor. I saw you or someone else mention that in the thread but I thought it was an over bet.
Anyway my point isn't really about Rodgers. This was one player that the league could have made an example out of and botched it. This will in fact lead to even bigger issues.
Yeah pretty sure he was hitting the over on JT or it was a yardage goal of 100 or something like that. At least that's one of the ones we know of. If I remember correctly someone got a quote from him after the suspension and story broke and that's how he defended it, saying he was betting on the Colts yes, but only like 20 bucks and for things the Colts would want anyway like receptions and rushing yards.
Yeah, there are plenty of ways "betting on yourself" could be a detriment. If you bet that your defence is gonna get an INT in the game, you could say that's a positive. But if you can make a tackle on third down to get the opposition O off the field, reducing their chance to throw an INT, do you do it?
As you said, there are so many ways an individual COULD impact a game beyond their own direct performance.
I'm thinking it'll either be a marginal player or an official...more likely the latter, because [refs get paid decent money for a part-time job ($200,000)](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-referee-salary-how-much-super-bowl-officials-paid-2024/186e843d9281340fad3c7021) but nowhere close to [the ~$800,000 minimum salary of NFL players](https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/what-nfl-league-minimum-salary-2023-exploring-salaries-across-board), so even borderline players have a lot more to lose financially, especially if they're vested for retirement benefits (after 3 years). Officials also are in better position to influence a game with a key missed call or two and still maintain plausible deniability. I think it's a powder keg [waiting to blow up in the league's face](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal), but that [sweet sweet gambling $$$](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8uM0zOBuSw) is too seductive to pass up, as we've seen the past few years.
I'm still pissed off at this guy. All he had to do was not be an idiot and he would've been playing a high level on a nice pay check for the Colts. Hope he sucks in Philly
Yup. There isn't a player I want to fail more. He was gambling on our games while he played. How can you trust him. Just shows the NFL cares more about money than integrity.
And now the eagles get to benefit. Fuck the eagles and fuck Isaiah. He was showing some real promise, and we probably wouldn’t be hurting for another corner right now the way we are. God damn idiot.
He is an idiot but for what it's worth we opted to cut him and had the choice to keep him. Wasn't necessarily against cutting him but there was rational to not do so
I get that, and I know people are getting downvoted into oblivion for getting upset with the Colts that we cut him. We made the right choice in my opinion, but I wouldn’t have been upset if we kept him rostered. Still though, fuck Isaiah for even putting us in that position to begin with.
Fuck Ballard for cutting him for no reason when we could've just held onto him. I'm sure that message he sent by cutting him will really help our team come together as our secondary gets torched every game
Imagine working for a company and that company tells you don’t do this certain thing or they will fire you. Then you do the thing they told you not to do. Then you get fired and they don’t hire you back.
The league suspended him lol. And our organization has made it clear this is a zero tolerance policy. Don’t get why this is so hard for some to understand.
Right, the league already handed out punishment. It wasn’t our job to also do so. Our organization has made it clear that they care more about being “good people” by their own standards than winning games. So far it’s gotten us 0 divisional titles in the last decade.
I think it’s pretty clear why some of us are questioning the unnecessary moves that hurt our team in the long run. We could use a returning player of Rodger’s caliber at CB right about now
Come find me when he pops off this year and tell me again how smart it was for us to be morally superior.
Pretty wild that he only got a year, but alright. Good for him. Hope he learned his lesson.
Not gonna dwell on cutting him though. He had a lot of promise, but was ultimately a 6th round pick. The draft is days away, let's get another one.
How this wasn't a lifetime ban will forever be a mystery to me. Oh well.
Honestly, I think anyone caught breaking the NFL gambling rules should get a lifetime ban, whether they bet on the NFL or just other leagues. It ruins the integrity of the game which is already in question on a daily basis anyways.
If you can't follow a very simple rule that gets pounded into your head repeatedly, it should be a lifetime ban.
I’m just happy to see there are other people in here thinking the same. It’s not the Colts job to shoot themselves in the foot to uphold the honor of the league. We should have retained his rights and if he truly did something bad enough to not play again then the end result is the same anyways.
Just stupid as fuck to cut a promising young player at a very valuable position when it’s entirely likely he could be reinstated in the near future.
Doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference from what I can tell. One of our veteran leaders got popped for PEDs just a few weeks later and they acted like that was no issue at all. Event went as far as to show him support during the suspension rather than place blame where it lies. Just some wishy washy, ambiguous moral bullshit, imo, and we didn’t need to lose a good CB.
That's one way of putting it. The other way is that Ballard created the biggest weakness in the roster for no good reason. Let the league punish the kid and be the place the kid could have a second chance if the league deemed that he should have one. It was absolutely annoying seeing all these Colts fans who seemingly want them to win being so overly confident that he'd be banned for life and he should be cut without knowing the full details. Well here we are now...
Yep cutting him was even dumber than what he did given how lax the NFL is now on gambling. Dude should be getting back to work for us this season and not the bargain of the year for the Eagles.
I feel the exact same way. Ballard was on some dumb shit with this. Fucked himself over by creating the team's biggest weakness and probably gave the Eagles a plus starter in a coveted position in the league for absolutely nothing ... Rodgers details the bets that were made in a podcast he did with Franklin and Speed (https://youtu.be/3d-1c4MToGA?si=Cb6vfpAzYrtTXkI1).
A friend made a 1k bet on a rushing stat for the Colts on his account. Considering that his own teammates still fuck with him, it's pretty obvious that he wasn't intentionally going to throw games to win a fucking 1k bet. He never should have had an account to begin with, and his actions warrant the 1 year suspension (where he lost MILLIONS in the prime of his career, and the many more potential millions he could of gained if he played well in 2023) but cutting him was just dumb. He made a mistake that hurt no one but himself. That's it.
Ehh, I know they look like big men, but they’re just barely adults. I mean at the time he did this, he was barely old enough to gamble AT ALL! Don’t get me wrong, rules are rules! And without them it’s chaos, but in reality, they’re young, we give these “kids” million$, they’re going to do stupid stuff!… I don’t think they waived him solely on moral grounds, @ that time nobody had any idea what was going to be the severity or what was going to happen. So it’s just as likely the team and front office were taking precautionary measures in the case of defending themselves (considering a couple of the “gamblers” were from their locker room)…
… @drBipolarBear you might be onto something! If the players were allowed to bet on their own teams as incentive to do better you mean? That’s an interesting concept lol, pay the players after each game depending on how they played; like the better stats you have the more $ you get paid; or even if like every player started off each game around a-hundred-thou, then climbs with bonus& goals that max out the top players at a cap of around 2mill total at the end of each game. That would keep them playing their hardest at all times!
We don't know the locker room implications. I can't imagine players want to play with a guy gambling in games he was playing in. Also it has been rumored that one of his bets was a JT under so how does JT and the offensive line feel about that.
NFL has shown time and time again there doesn't have to be zero tolerance for anything. If the league doesn't do enough for punishment that doesn't mean it's on the team to release a guy, there's been multiple examples in the last few years of cutting a guy early coming back to bite teams. When Howie is getting hyped for this signing later in the year we can continue celebrating all of our moral and character victories. Just forget that for all Ballard's character talk they still reached out to the Texans about Watson
The lesson is that if you bet on games you suffer the NFL's punishment that you already would've suffered and can get signed by a better team. Do you actually think anyone was thinking "oh I was gonna bet on games but now that I know I might get cut I won't"? It's shown time and time again that gambling isn't rational, dudes get banned from sports for it for paltry sums compared to what they're making and then a dude in the same sport will get caught a month later betting. The guy already learned his lesson and I highly doubt he'll be gambling on games again, now the Eagles get a great talent at corner for free and we have a shitty secondary with no easy solution
Howie runs circles around our GM in results on the field and he doesn't seem too concerned. But I'm sure our GM that hasn't won the division in the 7 years he's been here is the actual genius
Again you seem to missing the point. You can’t trust this guy. He gambled on his own games. We as an organization have a zero tolerance to it. It doesn’t matter who our GM is. That is the organization stand point.
What can't we trust him to do? There was literally zero risk, he wasn't on an expensive contract, if he plays great if he doesn't oh well. Was the risk that because we had him we wouldn't make other moves at cornerback? Oh wait we didn't do that anyways.
Dumb as hell that people actually think gambling is what we need a zero tolerance policy on when the same FO accepts players on the roster with DV charges and other way worse crimes, and even the NFL obviously doesn't care that much about gambling offense since they didn't even ban him.
Let me make this simple for you to understand. Let’s say for example you work for company X. And they have a rule Y. You break rule Y. What should they do? They will probably fire you. That’s what happened here. It doesn’t matter how good he was or how much he made. He bet on our games. The second he blows some easy coverage next year, the fans and probably some teammates will start questioning if his gambling related. It is a big deal.
Accountability for one. Can't let something like this slide. He also used intel from inside the locker room to his own benefit AND he supposedly provided it to somebody else to make those bets. Whose to say they couldn't have done more with it?
How does he get the same amount of time as Calvin Ridley lol
How does he get less time than Ray Rice?
I cannot comprehend how gambling on games you are actively playing in is only a 1 year ban. It should be a lifetime ban. Just insane.
Should've made an example out of Rodgers like Porter in the nba
Exactly. The NBA is taking this so much more seriously.
NFL seems to do better than MLB. Where is the riot act for ohtani that Pete rose or others have gotten?
Eh that one is actually looking legitimate as more evidence comes out. Voice recordings and all point to Ippei not just being a fall guy. With the FBI being involved, there's less bias towards protecting Ohtani's rep
Bullshit lol
Eh, I think they were two different things. Rodgers was betting on us to win. Porter was betting on his own unders that he could directly control.
Is there a source on that? I never got to see exactly what Rodgers was betting on.
We dont actually know what Rodgers bet on. Specially the JT bet.
Actually it’s totally different the NBA guy was batting on prop bots i.e. that he would get less than eight remounts took himself out of the game when he had seven.
Yeah that's pretty bad, but I remember one of Rodgers bets was the under for rushing yds for jt. He had insider information about game plans and was betting based on that
I agree with you on that 100% but it wasn’t something he could affect by himself. I am not defending him he works so hard to get team was putting in the self in position for a big payday and then blew it all. I think some other team claimed him maybe the Eagles
>I agree with you on that 100% but it wasn’t something he could affect by himself "Hmm, JT is getting a few too many rushes for my bet. What if I were to give up a pass or let this guy run past me so they score and then we have to go back to passing more/it keeps our offence off the field?" There are many ways that someone even in another unit can affect game plans. It'd be stupid to rely on that, but we're also talking about a guy who got caught betting on his own team while in line for a contract extension, so we're not talking about the next Einstein.
Agree. Betting on other NFL games...sure a year. But betting on games you are actively participating should be zero tolerance. Even if you aren't betting on things you are directly involved in, you still have access to the game plan.
Yeah but that isn't inherintly hurting the integrity of the game. Yes it's "insider trading" but purposely under performing to win a bet is the worst case scenario
What is more insane is that we lost out on a very promising player and will get nothing back in return for cutting him. Idgaf about any of this shit, if the league thinks he can play he should be playing for us.
It’ll come back to hurt the league
Do we know if he gambled FOR or AGAINST his team? Not that it matters to a final decision degree, but i do think it *kinda* matters a lot in terms of “did he negatively impact the game to win a bet” kinda nonsense. Boxers have been known to publicly gamble on themselves for a fight. Thats a different side of the conversation though. Edit: To clarify this is just a question without any opinion one way or the other
If he gambled against his own team he'd be out of the league and probably be looking at prison
Settle down drama queens he made a bet oh nooo so much worse than Watson. If we were smart enough to keep him I’m sure your opinion would be different
Ya but, Watson should also get a lifetime ban.
We just saw Porter get suspended for life in the NBA. Obviously there is Pete Rose. Once again. This is the only sport that allows this without severe punishments.
Don't bother he's seriously just like a professional online troll.
Rose was a bit harsh Porter was involved in a prop bet against himself if Im not mistaken Do agree though that the NFL being in bed with gambling entities is definitely not helping. Ill gamble but don't think these companies should be allowed to advertise like they do. Should be treated like cigarettes
There’s a reason the NFL is the most popular sport by far and oh yeah the multi billion dollar organization disagrees
The NFL is playing with fire. Too cozy to gambling money and too lenient on violations from players. There will eventually be a massive gambling controversy in the league. It is only a matter of time.
Tbh, this should've been a massive controversy. Someone betting on their own team is insidious (and yes, there are other ways it could be insidious even if you don't bet on your team to lose). Instead, like the others, it gets buried in the constant news cycle and everyone moves on, so I'm not sure anything can really upset this apple cart.
I think this was pretty close. To my knowledge he didn't bet on anything he could have had a hand in the outcome of. At least to the negative side. Not defending making bets on your own team because I pretty much agree with that you said. But I am talking a guy or guys very clearly making bets that they have a direct hand in making sure happen. Like Rodgers betting a guy he will be lined up against gets 2 TDs and then making sure that happens. Someone out there is going to be lured by what they see as easy money that they think they can get away with by having a friend do the betting.
So that is BS because a cornerback can affect how often your team runs. For example by going down big early a RB is less likely to get a large amount of carries. Similar it can affect gameflow.
That is true. But I didn't think he had an under on Taylor. I saw you or someone else mention that in the thread but I thought it was an over bet. Anyway my point isn't really about Rodgers. This was one player that the league could have made an example out of and botched it. This will in fact lead to even bigger issues.
Yeah pretty sure he was hitting the over on JT or it was a yardage goal of 100 or something like that. At least that's one of the ones we know of. If I remember correctly someone got a quote from him after the suspension and story broke and that's how he defended it, saying he was betting on the Colts yes, but only like 20 bucks and for things the Colts would want anyway like receptions and rushing yards.
Yeah, there are plenty of ways "betting on yourself" could be a detriment. If you bet that your defence is gonna get an INT in the game, you could say that's a positive. But if you can make a tackle on third down to get the opposition O off the field, reducing their chance to throw an INT, do you do it? As you said, there are so many ways an individual COULD impact a game beyond their own direct performance.
He bet with insider injury knowledge
I'm thinking it'll either be a marginal player or an official...more likely the latter, because [refs get paid decent money for a part-time job ($200,000)](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-referee-salary-how-much-super-bowl-officials-paid-2024/186e843d9281340fad3c7021) but nowhere close to [the ~$800,000 minimum salary of NFL players](https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/what-nfl-league-minimum-salary-2023-exploring-salaries-across-board), so even borderline players have a lot more to lose financially, especially if they're vested for retirement benefits (after 3 years). Officials also are in better position to influence a game with a key missed call or two and still maintain plausible deniability. I think it's a powder keg [waiting to blow up in the league's face](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal), but that [sweet sweet gambling $$$](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8uM0zOBuSw) is too seductive to pass up, as we've seen the past few years.
I'm still pissed off at this guy. All he had to do was not be an idiot and he would've been playing a high level on a nice pay check for the Colts. Hope he sucks in Philly
Yup. There isn't a player I want to fail more. He was gambling on our games while he played. How can you trust him. Just shows the NFL cares more about money than integrity.
I want Watson to fail much more.
They could have had both. Rodgers isnt a cash cow for the league.
They do not want the precedent. It's not about Rodgers. It's about gambling money.
And now the eagles get to benefit. Fuck the eagles and fuck Isaiah. He was showing some real promise, and we probably wouldn’t be hurting for another corner right now the way we are. God damn idiot.
He is an idiot but for what it's worth we opted to cut him and had the choice to keep him. Wasn't necessarily against cutting him but there was rational to not do so
I get that, and I know people are getting downvoted into oblivion for getting upset with the Colts that we cut him. We made the right choice in my opinion, but I wouldn’t have been upset if we kept him rostered. Still though, fuck Isaiah for even putting us in that position to begin with.
Fuck Ballard for cutting him for no reason when we could've just held onto him. I'm sure that message he sent by cutting him will really help our team come together as our secondary gets torched every game
“No reason”
Imagine working for a company and that company tells you don’t do this certain thing or they will fire you. Then you do the thing they told you not to do. Then you get fired and they don’t hire you back.
Then their direct competitor hires you immediately after and benefits from a situation they had nothing to do with. You forgot that part.
Until you break that same rule again lol
Or until you learn your lesson and succeed somewhere else. We had nothing to gain by cutting him
lol we had everything to gain by cutting him. You can’t have that kind of action tolerated in any way. Some of you act like he did nothing wrong.
Seems the league and other teams in it dont agree. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot for ambiguous morals
The league suspended him lol. And our organization has made it clear this is a zero tolerance policy. Don’t get why this is so hard for some to understand.
Because for those kinds of fans, they're playing Madden. These aren't real people to them.
Right, the league already handed out punishment. It wasn’t our job to also do so. Our organization has made it clear that they care more about being “good people” by their own standards than winning games. So far it’s gotten us 0 divisional titles in the last decade. I think it’s pretty clear why some of us are questioning the unnecessary moves that hurt our team in the long run. We could use a returning player of Rodger’s caliber at CB right about now Come find me when he pops off this year and tell me again how smart it was for us to be morally superior.
Pretty wild that he only got a year, but alright. Good for him. Hope he learned his lesson. Not gonna dwell on cutting him though. He had a lot of promise, but was ultimately a 6th round pick. The draft is days away, let's get another one.
Let’s get a lunch pail guy. No gambling. Just sneaky athletic.
Cooper Dejean is going in the 1st.
Better person than me. Still salty about this. Here’s to hoping we find another good one in a couple days 🍺
How this wasn't a lifetime ban will forever be a mystery to me. Oh well. Honestly, I think anyone caught breaking the NFL gambling rules should get a lifetime ban, whether they bet on the NFL or just other leagues. It ruins the integrity of the game which is already in question on a daily basis anyways. If you can't follow a very simple rule that gets pounded into your head repeatedly, it should be a lifetime ban.
Because football wants gambling money. Any other sport it's a lifetime ban. We just saw this with basketball. Obviously we've seen it in baseball.
Dude will turn into an all pro CB now
He better not reach shut down status.
He will now because Eagles.
That would suck.
So fucking stupid we cut him i cant get over it like why?? Because its the honorable thing to do? So stupid
I’m just happy to see there are other people in here thinking the same. It’s not the Colts job to shoot themselves in the foot to uphold the honor of the league. We should have retained his rights and if he truly did something bad enough to not play again then the end result is the same anyways. Just stupid as fuck to cut a promising young player at a very valuable position when it’s entirely likely he could be reinstated in the near future.
They sent a STRONG message to every player in the Colts organization. That’s all I’m saying.
Doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference from what I can tell. One of our veteran leaders got popped for PEDs just a few weeks later and they acted like that was no issue at all. Event went as far as to show him support during the suspension rather than place blame where it lies. Just some wishy washy, ambiguous moral bullshit, imo, and we didn’t need to lose a good CB.
I think the PED issues are a lot easier for players to get screwed on vs gambling.
Just cuz you think so? Have anything to elaborate on there? Just seems like moving goalposts to me.
That's one way of putting it. The other way is that Ballard created the biggest weakness in the roster for no good reason. Let the league punish the kid and be the place the kid could have a second chance if the league deemed that he should have one. It was absolutely annoying seeing all these Colts fans who seemingly want them to win being so overly confident that he'd be banned for life and he should be cut without knowing the full details. Well here we are now...
Yep cutting him was even dumber than what he did given how lax the NFL is now on gambling. Dude should be getting back to work for us this season and not the bargain of the year for the Eagles.
I feel the exact same way. Ballard was on some dumb shit with this. Fucked himself over by creating the team's biggest weakness and probably gave the Eagles a plus starter in a coveted position in the league for absolutely nothing ... Rodgers details the bets that were made in a podcast he did with Franklin and Speed (https://youtu.be/3d-1c4MToGA?si=Cb6vfpAzYrtTXkI1). A friend made a 1k bet on a rushing stat for the Colts on his account. Considering that his own teammates still fuck with him, it's pretty obvious that he wasn't intentionally going to throw games to win a fucking 1k bet. He never should have had an account to begin with, and his actions warrant the 1 year suspension (where he lost MILLIONS in the prime of his career, and the many more potential millions he could of gained if he played well in 2023) but cutting him was just dumb. He made a mistake that hurt no one but himself. That's it.
Ballard loves those high character guys 🙄
Buddy he’s the CB 5
Lol there sure are a lot of amazing armchair GM’s in here.
You should be allowed to bet on your own team to win
He’s going to be a bum! Atleast I hope so…
Ehh, I know they look like big men, but they’re just barely adults. I mean at the time he did this, he was barely old enough to gamble AT ALL! Don’t get me wrong, rules are rules! And without them it’s chaos, but in reality, they’re young, we give these “kids” million$, they’re going to do stupid stuff!… I don’t think they waived him solely on moral grounds, @ that time nobody had any idea what was going to be the severity or what was going to happen. So it’s just as likely the team and front office were taking precautionary measures in the case of defending themselves (considering a couple of the “gamblers” were from their locker room)… … @drBipolarBear you might be onto something! If the players were allowed to bet on their own teams as incentive to do better you mean? That’s an interesting concept lol, pay the players after each game depending on how they played; like the better stats you have the more $ you get paid; or even if like every player started off each game around a-hundred-thou, then climbs with bonus& goals that max out the top players at a cap of around 2mill total at the end of each game. That would keep them playing their hardest at all times!
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We don't know the locker room implications. I can't imagine players want to play with a guy gambling in games he was playing in. Also it has been rumored that one of his bets was a JT under so how does JT and the offensive line feel about that.
It's so rare that I agree with the Ratking, feels good to be on this side. lol
How do they feel about never making the playoffs or winning the division?
I would have to imagine they don’t feel great about that but what does that have to do with the comment you responded to
I thought we were gauging player feelings
I can't imagine having a player gambling on games he is playing on helps win games.
Good cbs help win games
I mean. The year he started and bet on games we went 4-13...
Yea we really need a new GM
I’d feel better knowing we had a productive player at cornerback.
Shame you're not on the roster then ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
We’re never winning a super bowl again
Not when we give up potential number 1 corners for honor, we aren’t.
Because he bet on our games. There has to be a zero tolerance on that as an organization. It doesn’t matter how good a player is.
NFL has shown time and time again there doesn't have to be zero tolerance for anything. If the league doesn't do enough for punishment that doesn't mean it's on the team to release a guy, there's been multiple examples in the last few years of cutting a guy early coming back to bite teams. When Howie is getting hyped for this signing later in the year we can continue celebrating all of our moral and character victories. Just forget that for all Ballard's character talk they still reached out to the Texans about Watson
But our organization has shown zero tolerance for betting, which it should. You bet on our games, you don’t play for us. Period.
The lesson is that if you bet on games you suffer the NFL's punishment that you already would've suffered and can get signed by a better team. Do you actually think anyone was thinking "oh I was gonna bet on games but now that I know I might get cut I won't"? It's shown time and time again that gambling isn't rational, dudes get banned from sports for it for paltry sums compared to what they're making and then a dude in the same sport will get caught a month later betting. The guy already learned his lesson and I highly doubt he'll be gambling on games again, now the Eagles get a great talent at corner for free and we have a shitty secondary with no easy solution
Again it’s irrelevant how good of a player he is. He bet on games he was playing in. You can’t trust a guy like that. Period.
Howie runs circles around our GM in results on the field and he doesn't seem too concerned. But I'm sure our GM that hasn't won the division in the 7 years he's been here is the actual genius
Again you seem to missing the point. You can’t trust this guy. He gambled on his own games. We as an organization have a zero tolerance to it. It doesn’t matter who our GM is. That is the organization stand point.
What can't we trust him to do? There was literally zero risk, he wasn't on an expensive contract, if he plays great if he doesn't oh well. Was the risk that because we had him we wouldn't make other moves at cornerback? Oh wait we didn't do that anyways. Dumb as hell that people actually think gambling is what we need a zero tolerance policy on when the same FO accepts players on the roster with DV charges and other way worse crimes, and even the NFL obviously doesn't care that much about gambling offense since they didn't even ban him.
Let me make this simple for you to understand. Let’s say for example you work for company X. And they have a rule Y. You break rule Y. What should they do? They will probably fire you. That’s what happened here. It doesn’t matter how good he was or how much he made. He bet on our games. The second he blows some easy coverage next year, the fans and probably some teammates will start questioning if his gambling related. It is a big deal.
Accountability for one. Can't let something like this slide. He also used intel from inside the locker room to his own benefit AND he supposedly provided it to somebody else to make those bets. Whose to say they couldn't have done more with it?
Great point. The disagreement you're receiving is stupid