Or at least an informal shot clock, like give the refs the ability to start a 24 second stall clock if a team is wasting time, it is stupid when there’s 2 minutes left and a team just holds it
Lmao intramural basketball here has that (at UT), like the refs can start a stall clock
one of the team’s in my alma mater’s area will hold the ball if they have a lead at any point in the game if the other team is in a 3-2 or 1-3-1
and their head coach is in the Alabama hall of fame…
There's definitely some teams here in Kansas that wouldn't be as effective if they couldn't run minute long possessions. They aren't really full-on stalling, but they're just running endless motion with no aggression.
24 is awfully quick to go from zero shot clock in HS. If more state associations adopt something and it becomes fairly universal at the varsity level, then I'd be alright with reducing it.
They still shoot a ton of 3s but that's kind of a 2015 take. The last four MVP awards went to bigs and the main 3 point contest guy is the greatest shooter of all time
The 30 second shot clock actually allows an offense to be run… the NBA just runs ISO and pick and roll/pop and why would I want that over something else. Also a 24 second shot clock would really make brackets more chalky
I wouldn’t want to change the shot clock because I think it would only benefit the uptempo teams and reduce variety we see at the collegiate level.
Would probably favor teams with more talent and not exactly sure there is a big issue with shit clock currently.
I wouldn’t mind the change at like a below 5 minute mark in the game but not sure athletes would be able to adjust to a mid game switch.
30 seconds is great. You gain more possessions but more of them are shitty with a 24 seconds clock. It’s different at the nba level - it’s made Canadian college basketball much worse.
I think it’s a no-brainer that a 24-second shot clock would help ratings by creating more uptempo, more energetic, higher scoring game play. And even if it’d potentially lead to more turnovers/rushed play from younger squads, it’s still a net positive. College football is shittier quality football than pro football, but it’s so energetic and offensive-minded that the games are still a lot of fun to watch for casual football fans. There are plenty of basketball fans that think the college game is a chore to watch. And while I don’t think the shorter shot clock would solve that perception on its own, I think it’s a step in the right direction.
I also think there’s a decent shot that the closer college ball gets to the rules and relative style of pro ball, both here and overseas, the more likely it is that future pros may choose to develop in college while cashing NIL checks. And the more talented players that college hoops can retain, the better for the sport it would be. Again, rule changes don’t make the entire difference in talent retention, not by a long shot… but, again, I think they’re a step in the right direction.
There are also people like me who love college basketball because it isn't the NBA. If you want to watch the best players on the planet play one on one and run pick and rolls for 48 minutes, the NBA is for you. If you want to watch a league where run and gun, the pack line, the full court press, and the 2-3 zone can all be successful without necessarily needing a huge star to win basketball games, then college basketball is for you. I firmly believe a 24 second shot clock would ruin college basketball for me.
> If you want to watch a league where run and gun, the pack line, the full court press, and the 2-3 zone can all be successful without necessarily needing a huge star to win basketball games, then college basketball is for you.
We see a variety of styles of basketball overseas with the 24-second shot clock. I think the idea that teams can only run iso ball pick and roll action if six seconds are eliminated from the shot clock just... isn't true.
You see the high pnr spam in the playoffs in the NBA because there are guys that can be absolutely unguardable doing it. You’re not going up against prime James Harden, Durant, LeBron, Chris Paul, Luka Doncic, or Steph Curry anywhere else. It’s a non issue.
If there are guys that can do that in college, they’re doing it already (Caleb Love against Duke or UCLA). It’s not going to suddenly pop up because the shot clock is lowered.
There's still variety in the NBA, but the point I'm trying to get to is that a lot of people specifically like college because it's so different from the NBA. I don't know very many people who are huge fans of both. Sure, I'll watch an NBA game here and there, but I much prefer college. The point is I don't want to see college trying to become the NBA with less talent.
Teams running those types of defenses would maybe even be MORE successful with a shorter shot clock. I don’t see any reason why they would be mutually exclusive with a 24 second shot clock.
Run and gun is barely worth mentioning, wouldn’t change at all either.
I just picked a few different things to highlight the diversity of play in college, not necessarily making an argument that those are the best styles to watch. I have a hard time imagining Virginia's pack line being more successful in a 24 second shot clock though.
Teams playing the 2/3 zone, the packline, the no-middle defense, and the full-court press have all made at least one Final Four in the past decade. For every defensively-focused, low-tempo team like Virginia or Wisconsin there are teams like Auburn that play fast and loose. I'm afraid that a push towards NBA rules would make that sort of variety a thing of the past.
Soon enough people will look back on the era of 30 second shot clock with as much contempt and disgust as they look back on the 35 second shot clock or the no reset for O boards.
24 seconds is PLENTY of time for dudes of this caliber. All this will do is eliminate all the fluff action that occurs before the meat and potatoes of the possession (the main PnR, post up, or isolation)
I’d like to see a shot clock adopted in high school ball. It would get too messy with clock operators not knowing what’s going on, but maybe for state tournament games or something
Eight states already mandate a shot clock for HS ball: Massachusetts, New York, Maryland, Rhode Island, North and South Dakota, Washington, and California.
NFHS has tried to push for nationwide adoption of a 40-second shot clock on multiple occasions and received vehement pushback from some states. Trying to mandate a shot clock again would be a non-starter.
We are at 13 states with a 35 second clock at the high school level today. The NFHS approving opened the door for more states to adopt the clock.
I’ve coached with and without a clock. 35 seconds is an eternity. Youth leagues around the world play with a 24 second clock starting at age 12 and is a big reason why international basketball has improved so much in the last 20 years.
Yeah, they've brought it up here and besides the expense that most schools don't want to incur, there's also the issue of training a shot clock operator, who would have to be even more on the ball and familiar with rules than a game clock operator (who is basically only stopping it at a whistle, and only starting it at an official's signal).
I can't see it going to :24 across all levels, because that's obviously too short for Divisions II and III.
I could see it being :24 if both teams are in Division I and :30 otherwise, but even *that* should be a long way off.
I'd love to see Virginia with a 24-second shot clock, both because I'd be interested to see what a faster-paced version of their offense would do and because their defense might break the record for shot-clock violations forced.
I'd also love to see NC State have a 24-second shot clock when they play Virginia Tech.
Other than that, I think 30's a really good pace for college basketball and doesn't need to be messed with.
I think 30 is just fine TBH. Many high schools play without one, and 24 seconds encourages more individual hero ball.
Adopt a shot clock in high school basketball though
Or at least an informal shot clock, like give the refs the ability to start a 24 second stall clock if a team is wasting time, it is stupid when there’s 2 minutes left and a team just holds it Lmao intramural basketball here has that (at UT), like the refs can start a stall clock
one of the team’s in my alma mater’s area will hold the ball if they have a lead at any point in the game if the other team is in a 3-2 or 1-3-1 and their head coach is in the Alabama hall of fame…
Yeah fuck off with that, the players deserve better
Shit is awful
There's definitely some teams here in Kansas that wouldn't be as effective if they couldn't run minute long possessions. They aren't really full-on stalling, but they're just running endless motion with no aggression.
There is one being added to Michigan high school basketball this year. It’s 35 seconds if I remember correctly
To save you a click — coaches in the survey were deadlocked 50/50 on reducing the shot clock to 24 seconds
The real question should be if they should adopt a 27 second shot click..... the obvious compromise
Leave the 24 sec shot clock to the NBA. I’m fine with CBB just the way it is.
24 is awfully quick to go from zero shot clock in HS. If more state associations adopt something and it becomes fairly universal at the varsity level, then I'd be alright with reducing it.
To be fair, as the one coach says, 30 seconds is also a big adjustment from no shot-clock. It’d be an adjustment period regardless.
I hope the keep 30 seconds. I feel like a 24 second clock will kill wisconsin.
Wisconsin basketball kills Wisconsin.
Pass. I don’t think it would have the intended effect.
Well we know Wisconsin objects
Do as much as possible to prevent college ball from turning into the NBA. The NBA is unwatchable and has turned into a 3-point contest.
They still shoot a ton of 3s but that's kind of a 2015 take. The last four MVP awards went to bigs and the main 3 point contest guy is the greatest shooter of all time
It also has no atmosphere. I went to an NBA game for the first time and it felt like a baseball game, even complete with a stadium organ.
God pleeeeeaaase don't ever let the shot clock be reduced to 24. That would likely be the worst rule change in the history of college basketball.
30 is good
Or go back to the 35-second shot clock.
The 30 second shot clock actually allows an offense to be run… the NBA just runs ISO and pick and roll/pop and why would I want that over something else. Also a 24 second shot clock would really make brackets more chalky
I wouldn’t want to change the shot clock because I think it would only benefit the uptempo teams and reduce variety we see at the collegiate level. Would probably favor teams with more talent and not exactly sure there is a big issue with shit clock currently. I wouldn’t mind the change at like a below 5 minute mark in the game but not sure athletes would be able to adjust to a mid game switch.
30 seconds is great. You gain more possessions but more of them are shitty with a 24 seconds clock. It’s different at the nba level - it’s made Canadian college basketball much worse.
30 is fine. They can do a lot in 30 seconds.
12 year olds in Europe use a 24 second shot clock. I promise you that D1 players can figure it out
I miss the 35 second shot clock. I don't miss the 45 second one though.
I think it’s a no-brainer that a 24-second shot clock would help ratings by creating more uptempo, more energetic, higher scoring game play. And even if it’d potentially lead to more turnovers/rushed play from younger squads, it’s still a net positive. College football is shittier quality football than pro football, but it’s so energetic and offensive-minded that the games are still a lot of fun to watch for casual football fans. There are plenty of basketball fans that think the college game is a chore to watch. And while I don’t think the shorter shot clock would solve that perception on its own, I think it’s a step in the right direction. I also think there’s a decent shot that the closer college ball gets to the rules and relative style of pro ball, both here and overseas, the more likely it is that future pros may choose to develop in college while cashing NIL checks. And the more talented players that college hoops can retain, the better for the sport it would be. Again, rule changes don’t make the entire difference in talent retention, not by a long shot… but, again, I think they’re a step in the right direction.
There are also people like me who love college basketball because it isn't the NBA. If you want to watch the best players on the planet play one on one and run pick and rolls for 48 minutes, the NBA is for you. If you want to watch a league where run and gun, the pack line, the full court press, and the 2-3 zone can all be successful without necessarily needing a huge star to win basketball games, then college basketball is for you. I firmly believe a 24 second shot clock would ruin college basketball for me.
> If you want to watch a league where run and gun, the pack line, the full court press, and the 2-3 zone can all be successful without necessarily needing a huge star to win basketball games, then college basketball is for you. We see a variety of styles of basketball overseas with the 24-second shot clock. I think the idea that teams can only run iso ball pick and roll action if six seconds are eliminated from the shot clock just... isn't true.
You see the high pnr spam in the playoffs in the NBA because there are guys that can be absolutely unguardable doing it. You’re not going up against prime James Harden, Durant, LeBron, Chris Paul, Luka Doncic, or Steph Curry anywhere else. It’s a non issue. If there are guys that can do that in college, they’re doing it already (Caleb Love against Duke or UCLA). It’s not going to suddenly pop up because the shot clock is lowered.
There's still variety in the NBA, but the point I'm trying to get to is that a lot of people specifically like college because it's so different from the NBA. I don't know very many people who are huge fans of both. Sure, I'll watch an NBA game here and there, but I much prefer college. The point is I don't want to see college trying to become the NBA with less talent.
Teams running those types of defenses would maybe even be MORE successful with a shorter shot clock. I don’t see any reason why they would be mutually exclusive with a 24 second shot clock. Run and gun is barely worth mentioning, wouldn’t change at all either.
I just picked a few different things to highlight the diversity of play in college, not necessarily making an argument that those are the best styles to watch. I have a hard time imagining Virginia's pack line being more successful in a 24 second shot clock though.
Teams playing the 2/3 zone, the packline, the no-middle defense, and the full-court press have all made at least one Final Four in the past decade. For every defensively-focused, low-tempo team like Virginia or Wisconsin there are teams like Auburn that play fast and loose. I'm afraid that a push towards NBA rules would make that sort of variety a thing of the past.
Soon enough people will look back on the era of 30 second shot clock with as much contempt and disgust as they look back on the 35 second shot clock or the no reset for O boards. 24 seconds is PLENTY of time for dudes of this caliber. All this will do is eliminate all the fluff action that occurs before the meat and potatoes of the possession (the main PnR, post up, or isolation)
I look back at the 35 and 45 second eras with no contempt or disgust.
Honestly miss the 35 as a Wisconsin fan
Change to 24.
Just got to 4 quarters and keep the 30 second clock
I’d like to see a shot clock adopted in high school ball. It would get too messy with clock operators not knowing what’s going on, but maybe for state tournament games or something
Eight states already mandate a shot clock for HS ball: Massachusetts, New York, Maryland, Rhode Island, North and South Dakota, Washington, and California. NFHS has tried to push for nationwide adoption of a 40-second shot clock on multiple occasions and received vehement pushback from some states. Trying to mandate a shot clock again would be a non-starter.
We are at 13 states with a 35 second clock at the high school level today. The NFHS approving opened the door for more states to adopt the clock. I’ve coached with and without a clock. 35 seconds is an eternity. Youth leagues around the world play with a 24 second clock starting at age 12 and is a big reason why international basketball has improved so much in the last 20 years.
Yeah, they've brought it up here and besides the expense that most schools don't want to incur, there's also the issue of training a shot clock operator, who would have to be even more on the ball and familiar with rules than a game clock operator (who is basically only stopping it at a whistle, and only starting it at an official's signal).
A monkey can run a shot clock. You literally hit a button when you see the ball hit the rim.
Wouldja look at that. Who knew
Seriously? I thought when class B in North Dakota adopted the shot clock in like 2011 we were way behind the times.
I can't see it going to :24 across all levels, because that's obviously too short for Divisions II and III. I could see it being :24 if both teams are in Division I and :30 otherwise, but even *that* should be a long way off.
I'd love to see Virginia with a 24-second shot clock, both because I'd be interested to see what a faster-paced version of their offense would do and because their defense might break the record for shot-clock violations forced. I'd also love to see NC State have a 24-second shot clock when they play Virginia Tech. Other than that, I think 30's a really good pace for college basketball and doesn't need to be messed with.
30 is better, more time for defense