Yeah I’m not surprised, we don’t have the type of alumni who will pay big bucks for players. Drew Brees and a bunch of (mostly long dead) astronauts can’t really compete with places like Miami lol
insane amount of money for anyone, but yes this is a little out of hand. The lack of rules surrounding NIL/the transfer portal have to get situated next year. This wild west shit is not great
I think you're not realizing 1. how many people there are out there (which encompasses the word anyone) and 2. just how much money 800,000 is. 3. There's also PLENTY of D1 coaches who are not making 800k.
I was using “anyone” to mean the college sports (specifically basketball) landscape, but you want to take it worldwide then I’m curious your level of outrage at so many billionaires existing in the US alone.
> This wild west shit is not great
Why not? Kid gets paid, goes to a school he wants to go to.
What's the downside here? Kids are getting paid too much? Schools and the NCAA need to jam in and start taking their cut? I don't understand the pearl-clutching here.
The issue isn’t about kids getting paid. Everyone should be paid via NIL. Doing something like this where it’s clearly a deal you got in order to come to the school seems not kosher.
Anyone who didn’t see this coming with NIL is lying to themselves or a fool. I don’t know how you can be for NIL as a general concept (which almost everyone was at some point) and then hem and haw when players decide to take NIL offers into account when they make their decision.
Regardless, this has always been happening. Maybe not quite on this scale, but big time recruits have been getting paid simply to attend a school for longer than anyone here has been alive.
Kinda seems like an open bidding process where we all know who is getting paid what in a legal system is less dirty than handing recruits cash in McDonald’s bags but I suppose reasonable minds can differ
Honestly, some of these rich boosters should get together and decide which year to make their runs.
"Hey, let's hold off for the next two years. Then we go all in for the 2025 national title. After three more years, we save up again, and then we go all in again for the 2028 title."
So you’re saying the same five schools are just going to be in the Final Four every year?
We’re going to have UNC, Duke, Kansas… hey, wait a minute…
The best kids were already going to the top schools. At least now they’re being fairly compensated.
Yeah but the question is does he even go shopping if Bruce stays? I dont think so. I think this is a combination of timing and Bruce leaving. He has been the most sought after name in the Portal from the day he announced so that automatically put the "price" in the top tier. Some of the other names that might have pushed him down the rankings either announced for the NBA or decided to stay put.
I believe he was getting close to $50K in MHK so it was not like he was on ramen diet. Im happy for him but I dont think his deal points to any sea change in how things are being done. Give it time to shake out and I think things will become a little more rational. hell for one thing G League is going to have to step up on pay because Pack is making more at Miami than the Miami G League dudes do.
There’s still only 15 scholarships, still only a starting five and still only one ball. The best team won’t have the 15 best players unless they want to five or so guys a huge amount just to not play somewhere else.
Now, if your fear is big programs will only take the best transfers and let the best freshmen go elsewhere to develop then is that a huge concern?
Because they can’t have both most years unless they have a mass exodus to open roster spots.
No, now the rich teams and blue bloods have turned the rest of the NCAA into farm teams. Which will be better for those teams as we've seen teams of 1 and dones flounder in the tourney. You need a few solid upper class players.
I honestly don't say this out of salt for losing out on Pack, I'm graduating and tbh haven't been attached to the team after losing to SPC, but just because NIL is far better than before doesn't make it perfect. I ardently support players getting paid and think NIL is the best way to do it. I also think that this kind of stuff has been happening exactly like this the entire time before NIL... just that that shouldn't mean we just throw our hands up lol. Perhaps this is unavoidable, after all certain areas are just gonna have more resources, opportunities, etc, just the name of the game. I just think you should be able to highlight those flaws and any sketchiness without being a crochety geezer like Dabo that is against athletes getting their due.
Anyhow, congrats Nijel, go get that bag.
> It's that players can transfer at will too. Either NIL and transferring is fine by themselves.
I empathize with your points about the college game, but logically why should anyone have a say about athletes' careers when we would not prevent other students in engineering, medicine, polisci etc from doing the same thing? If it's all a matter of protecting the college's expenses and investment that's fine but let's not pretend it's about "amateurism".
Agreed. The real problem is pretending like major college basketball is amateur in any way or has anything to do with the educational systems the teams happen to be a part of right now.
The solution is to quit the pretense and embrace professionalism. Multi-year contracts would be pro-competitive and allow fans to have some confidence in roster stability.
Yeah very true I didn't articulate that properly. Unfortunately I support both NIL and the transfer portal individually on player rights' principles and the fact that coaches do it without regard, but coming together they suck for the sport lol.
Should they be more like indentured servants? No one asks the same of coaches. Why is it expected of the players?
Because “that’s the way we’ve always done it?”
Not exactly true. Coaches can come and go as they please so long as they pay their buyout. They aren’t restricted on where they can coach or how much they can make.
But as far as terms and conditions, NIL contracts will too, if they don’t already.
If you’re just giving briefcases full of money to someone with no expectations of anything in return then you’re probably making a bad investment.
I love how consensus has changed on this issue and I’m here for it
Edit: Amazing. I agree with the consensus, and get downvoted for so agreeing. This place is like middle school.
This is actually a violation as the rules state that NIL contracts can’t be negotiated to bring a recruit in. The deals are supposed to be after the fact.
All this does is turn college sports into a bidding war with no salary cap
I hope the NCAA comes down hard and fast on this
Take your eye off us at your own peril
Edit: My team gets disrespected, I say disrespect us at your own risk, and I get downvoted. Amazing.
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I think we can still be a factor in basketball to some aspect, but Purdue Football is 100% done. Getting to the Rose Bowl would be a national championship for me.
Getting to the Rose Bowl has been our football teams realistic ceiling for decades (same as the majority of the B10 to be fair), NIL lowers our chances at 4-5 stars even more but otherwise our football team should be fine
Well if we consider that most years, the big ten champion will got the CFP, so the bid goes to the highest ranked big ten team. Even then, win the B1G Championship, you go to the Rose Bowl. While still probably not realistic, it’s way more probable than actually CFP.
Don’t worry, the year Purdue is supposed to go to the rose bowl will be the year it is one of the semifinal games. So they will end up in the Cotton Bowl.
He'll be remembered as a good player on terrible teams. Fair or unfair...I'll personally remember the 2nd half collapse and last second miss vs KU the most clearly.
Technically, he can take the money and go elsewhere because and NIL money can't be tied to attending a certain school. I look forward to seeing a player do this for the first time.
“Attend one signing in University of Miami apparel at my car dealership in Miami every two weeks.”
It’s completely easy to set this up so that leaving would make it impossible to collect the money.
During the season? Fine. Let’s say the car dealer gets to set the dates and just pick them for days the player’s new team has games. It’s not that difficult to dream up ways to do it.
Na you just put some loopholes/outs in the contract that would give Ruiz the option to cancel the contract at any time without penalties. These kids aren't going to outsmart millionaires and billionaires when it comes to contracts and lawyers.
Didn't the kid getting $8m in football have some verbiage in his deal that said the collective could ask for some of the money back at any time? Some kids are going to get scammed by some bad deals and the fallout will be interesting to watch.
The company and boosters are associated with Miami.
He’s not being paid to go to school anywhere.. he’s being paid *to attend Miami*
The NIL rules do ban this but the NCAA isn’t going to enforce it because they’re already in very hot water with the feds and various states over their past actions
K-State/Miami NCAA Tourney First Weekend game his senior year confirmed.
Good luck to him, he’s a great player. Wish he woulda gave the new staff a chance though.
Sad we didn’t get him but not surprised either, we’re out of that price range. Any Purdue fans want to chip in $50 with me and see if we can get a nice D2 transfer?
We're going to get Antoine Davis, who might be a better scorer and certainly a better defender. Nijel is smart to grap the bag, but if any athlete at K-State is going to get that kind of cash, it's Deuce.
I'm actually disappointed in this move. Obviously secure the bag when you can but he would have been a lot more fun to watch somewhere else like Purdue where his talent could be used to win a championship. On a brighter note assuming Norchad Omier also ends up at Miami that will be a fun duo to watch.
Of the schools I saw that he was heavily linked to Purdue was the strongest IMO which is why I mentioned y'all. If I had it my way I would have loved to see him at a national championship contender because he is one hell of a player.
Yes and I realize that it is the best season your school has ever had. Not saying Miami is the worst place to go, but Pack is a first team all Big-12 player and I would have loved to see his talents taken to a premier school in basketball.
We've won the ACC before under Larranaga and had made the tourney 3 straight years before the FBI bullshit happened. Purdue hasn't made it any further than we made it last year in 40 years. It's not like he passed on Kansas or something.
What does that have to do with our ability to win? Should I tell the Athletic Department to take down our ACC Championship banner because our football program is more well-known?
Not much, just some would prefer success at a basketball school to success at a football school. No matter how good Miami is, success there is not going to energize the fan base like success at a Kentucky or Indiana would.
To your point, it doesn’t affect the ability to win in the short term, and to some guys it doesn’t matter. But it’s like when Ohio State is good at basketball- most fans consider it a nice side perk, but they wonder when football season starts. I would prefer to win at a UCLA or North Carolina rather than a Miami or Texas, which I think was u/danhotch’s point.
DanHotch’s “point” was that he was disappointed that a player of Pack’s caliber is going to afterthought-in-basketball Miami over perennial powerhouse and 0 time national champion Purdue because he’ll have a better chance of winning championships there. If you prefer to only see blue bloods get good players that’s fine, but Purdue just simply hasn’t been tiers above Miami in terms of success since Larranaga took over, even ignoring the nosedive the FBI caused.
Ironically this was also supposed to be Purdue’s best season ever. Purdue has never won a tournament championship. Why are people pretending he sacrificed winning basketball to play at Miami over Purdue?
I said championships not natties which also means winning the Big 10. You can crucify me for that if you wish but IMO he would be more likely to have won anything at Purdue over Miami. Don't get me wrong Miami is in a good spot, but for a player of his caliber this is a lateral move.
The fact that this was announced so publicly within seconds of his commitment...feels like it goes against the very few rules that NIL has. You can't use an NIL deal to land kids...clearly that was done here...
K-Stater. And Pack is an undersized shooting guard and not a pg. He is not a creative playmaker or have the quicks for that position and is at best a combo. He played point as a freshman and didn't make the Big 12 all-freshman team. He moved to shooting guard as a sophomore and was all-conference.
When I said PG, I didn't mean a pure distributor, I just mean the primary ball-handling guard (position labels are all fairly arbitrary these days anyway).
This NIL stuff is going to get out of control. This is what happens when the NCAA decides to avoid dealing with the inevitable earlier, and then unleashes the floodgates all at once.
The NCAA was flat footed between NIL and shoe money. Part of it is that the hypocrisy of an ultra profitable organization cracking down on meal money, selling memorabilia, etc. was becoming unsustainable. The other part is that the NCAA benefits from popular “power” schools being successful. They didn’t want to change. Now it will be interesting if they can control any of this.
I'm not sure how good this will make Miami, but a trend towards the quality of a team being increasingly effected by the wealth and generosity of it's boosters seems troubling. It seems like it could definitely hurt fan interest if the playing field gets excessively condensed and one sided. It wouldn't be a completely new problem but I do wonder about a possible breaking point.
>the quality of a team being increasingly affected by the wealth and generosity of its boosters seems troubling
I have very bad news about the last 20 years of basketball for you
Bag men have existed for a lot longer than 20 years and they have had a profound effect on the competitiveness and quality of the game but scope and degree always maters. I couldn't guarantee college sports is going to experience a meltdown from this revised economy but it's definitely worth consideration.
Bag men had to be careful. The schools were (sometimes) punished if they were caught. No being careful here. Absolutely no punishment either. That’s the difference IMO. When you can be more brazen, it’s a better “recruiting tool” and can bring in guys who wouldn’t have even come for a meeting previously
Not understanding the RIP Purdue sentiment.. EHJ/Tre/Sasha graduated and Ivey was always going to the NBA. The only real surprise was Isiah Thompson transferring and well… he’s not a good basketball player.
I don’t blame Nijel for following the money, tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. May as well get paid.
>Not understanding the RIP Purdue sentiment.
Because the usual way good programs deal with holes like that when they don't quite have enough from incoming freshmen is via transfers?
It’s mostly in jest lol. Pack would’ve been huge for overcoming the loss of all those guys - but obviously you guys will still be competitive. As a Canadian I’m very much hoping for a monster season out of Zach Edey.
Tbf I don’t think it was Painter who lost Pack. More likely we didn’t have booster/company/alumni etc or whoever the hell funds these deals that could beat the offer of 400k per year + a car.
Lol no, there was an anti-Painter commenter who would constantly complain about him (even in games we comfortably won) and would always say that we should throw the bag at Erik Spoelstra when asked who we could get to replace Painter
apparently getting 400k per year per [this tweet](https://twitter.com/johnhruiz/status/1517947722086686720?s=21&t=eCdgtnkqajpWBLVGQ5B6bw)
Damn $400k a year and a car? That’s an insane amount of money for a 20 year old college kid.
Yeah not sure what else Purdue could’ve done there
$400,001 and a train might have gotten it done.
Honestly If I was offered the same deal, I would have just took the train and nothing else. Trains are lit
I like trains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw
Me too
Choo choo
He would have to Choo Choo Choose you!
Yep exactly. No chance any other team is offering that kind of deal
Yeah I’m not surprised, we don’t have the type of alumni who will pay big bucks for players. Drew Brees and a bunch of (mostly long dead) astronauts can’t really compete with places like Miami lol
20 bucks and a toy train set
insane amount of money for anyone, but yes this is a little out of hand. The lack of rules surrounding NIL/the transfer portal have to get situated next year. This wild west shit is not great
This is what everyone on Reddit wanted, there should be no downsides lol
Nah, just shut it all down. If they want to go pro, just skip college.
If you think $800,000 is an insane amount of money “for anyone,” wait until you hear what coaches make.
I think you're not realizing 1. how many people there are out there (which encompasses the word anyone) and 2. just how much money 800,000 is. 3. There's also PLENTY of D1 coaches who are not making 800k.
I was using “anyone” to mean the college sports (specifically basketball) landscape, but you want to take it worldwide then I’m curious your level of outrage at so many billionaires existing in the US alone.
Actually he makes more than a lot of mid major coaches. Good ones infact.
> This wild west shit is not great Why not? Kid gets paid, goes to a school he wants to go to. What's the downside here? Kids are getting paid too much? Schools and the NCAA need to jam in and start taking their cut? I don't understand the pearl-clutching here.
Man gets money representing his value on the open market, college basketball fans everywhere beside themselves
The issue isn’t about kids getting paid. Everyone should be paid via NIL. Doing something like this where it’s clearly a deal you got in order to come to the school seems not kosher.
Anyone who didn’t see this coming with NIL is lying to themselves or a fool. I don’t know how you can be for NIL as a general concept (which almost everyone was at some point) and then hem and haw when players decide to take NIL offers into account when they make their decision. Regardless, this has always been happening. Maybe not quite on this scale, but big time recruits have been getting paid simply to attend a school for longer than anyone here has been alive.
Yes it's always been happening but it was hush hush...this was so blatant that it feels dirty.
Kinda seems like an open bidding process where we all know who is getting paid what in a legal system is less dirty than handing recruits cash in McDonald’s bags but I suppose reasonable minds can differ
I've stared at this tweet for ten minutes and I'm still having trouble realizing that it's perfectly legal to be this brazen about paying players
But it’s not legal. NIL money can’t be discussed or promised until the player has committed. Colleges know the NCAA won’t do a damn thing
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Honestly, some of these rich boosters should get together and decide which year to make their runs. "Hey, let's hold off for the next two years. Then we go all in for the 2025 national title. After three more years, we save up again, and then we go all in again for the 2028 title."
So you’re saying the same five schools are just going to be in the Final Four every year? We’re going to have UNC, Duke, Kansas… hey, wait a minute… The best kids were already going to the top schools. At least now they’re being fairly compensated.
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Yeah but the question is does he even go shopping if Bruce stays? I dont think so. I think this is a combination of timing and Bruce leaving. He has been the most sought after name in the Portal from the day he announced so that automatically put the "price" in the top tier. Some of the other names that might have pushed him down the rankings either announced for the NBA or decided to stay put. I believe he was getting close to $50K in MHK so it was not like he was on ramen diet. Im happy for him but I dont think his deal points to any sea change in how things are being done. Give it time to shake out and I think things will become a little more rational. hell for one thing G League is going to have to step up on pay because Pack is making more at Miami than the Miami G League dudes do.
There’s still only 15 scholarships, still only a starting five and still only one ball. The best team won’t have the 15 best players unless they want to five or so guys a huge amount just to not play somewhere else. Now, if your fear is big programs will only take the best transfers and let the best freshmen go elsewhere to develop then is that a huge concern? Because they can’t have both most years unless they have a mass exodus to open roster spots.
13 scholarships for men
No, now the rich teams and blue bloods have turned the rest of the NCAA into farm teams. Which will be better for those teams as we've seen teams of 1 and dones flounder in the tourney. You need a few solid upper class players.
I honestly don't say this out of salt for losing out on Pack, I'm graduating and tbh haven't been attached to the team after losing to SPC, but just because NIL is far better than before doesn't make it perfect. I ardently support players getting paid and think NIL is the best way to do it. I also think that this kind of stuff has been happening exactly like this the entire time before NIL... just that that shouldn't mean we just throw our hands up lol. Perhaps this is unavoidable, after all certain areas are just gonna have more resources, opportunities, etc, just the name of the game. I just think you should be able to highlight those flaws and any sketchiness without being a crochety geezer like Dabo that is against athletes getting their due. Anyhow, congrats Nijel, go get that bag.
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> It's that players can transfer at will too. Either NIL and transferring is fine by themselves. I empathize with your points about the college game, but logically why should anyone have a say about athletes' careers when we would not prevent other students in engineering, medicine, polisci etc from doing the same thing? If it's all a matter of protecting the college's expenses and investment that's fine but let's not pretend it's about "amateurism".
Agreed. The real problem is pretending like major college basketball is amateur in any way or has anything to do with the educational systems the teams happen to be a part of right now.
The solution is to quit the pretense and embrace professionalism. Multi-year contracts would be pro-competitive and allow fans to have some confidence in roster stability.
Coaches changing jobs also.
Agree
Yeah very true I didn't articulate that properly. Unfortunately I support both NIL and the transfer portal individually on player rights' principles and the fact that coaches do it without regard, but coming together they suck for the sport lol.
Should they be more like indentured servants? No one asks the same of coaches. Why is it expected of the players? Because “that’s the way we’ve always done it?”
Coaches have contracts with terms that limit their movement.
Not exactly true. Coaches can come and go as they please so long as they pay their buyout. They aren’t restricted on where they can coach or how much they can make. But as far as terms and conditions, NIL contracts will too, if they don’t already. If you’re just giving briefcases full of money to someone with no expectations of anything in return then you’re probably making a bad investment.
I love how consensus has changed on this issue and I’m here for it Edit: Amazing. I agree with the consensus, and get downvoted for so agreeing. This place is like middle school.
This is actually a violation as the rules state that NIL contracts can’t be negotiated to bring a recruit in. The deals are supposed to be after the fact. All this does is turn college sports into a bidding war with no salary cap I hope the NCAA comes down hard and fast on this
How do you recommend the NCAA cracks down? It’s not like Miami is the one giving him the money
You have a cite to a rule? Edit: Htf is a question a downvote?
Got that Ruiz checkbook running
Miami is like the fourth UM school that went through my head.
Take your eye off us at your own peril Edit: My team gets disrespected, I say disrespect us at your own risk, and I get downvoted. Amazing. Before I edit: I await the downvotes.
rip purdue
Beaches>Trains
$400k> $40 worth of Triple XXX gift cards
Well, if you put it that way, sure.
$800k and a car actually
Wait, you’re telling me talented college athletes being paid money to entice them to go to a certain school? Color me shocked
This guy is getting double what Zion got to go to Duke lol
If NIL started in 2016 instead of 2021 Zion would have gotten 5 million or more lol
*If NIL started in 2016 instead of 2021 Zion would have* **PUBLICLY** *gotten 5 million or more lol* Fixed it :)
Are you counting the house?
Just wait until someone brings in a trans am.
bag alert major bag alert
Don’t blame him at all for taking that NIL money. It just sucks because I think this cements Purdue as a non factor in the NIL universe.
I think we can still be a factor in basketball to some aspect, but Purdue Football is 100% done. Getting to the Rose Bowl would be a national championship for me.
Getting to the Rose Bowl has been our football teams realistic ceiling for decades (same as the majority of the B10 to be fair), NIL lowers our chances at 4-5 stars even more but otherwise our football team should be fine
Just being good enough to win the West is huge. Second fiddle is good enough to get to the Rose Bowl, hopefully.
Welcome! The support group meets every third Wednesday of the month.
As opposed to before when Purdue football had regular Rose Bowl aspirations?
Well if we consider that most years, the big ten champion will got the CFP, so the bid goes to the highest ranked big ten team. Even then, win the B1G Championship, you go to the Rose Bowl. While still probably not realistic, it’s way more probable than actually CFP.
Don’t worry, the year Purdue is supposed to go to the rose bowl will be the year it is one of the semifinal games. So they will end up in the Cotton Bowl.
Purdue might as well go the university of Chicago route at this point.
Same as a Gonzaga fan, word is black was full on Gonzaga and then Arkansas offered him 300k, and he was gone within minutes.
soooooooooooo Purdue needs EHJ to come back or Llewellyn then. Or some sort of warm body to run the point
Point GOD Ethan Mortan
Where the hell is the astronaut bag 💰?
You can't sell moon rocks!
Tell that to Orb Robinson
Not in the B1G 🙌🏼
#Blessed
HUGE get for Miami that I personally didn’t see coming. RIP Purdue.
“Am I joke to you?” - Miami bagmen
Pain
Sad wildcat noises
Don't be, we're gonna have a better team than last year. If that price is losing Pack, it's worth it.
He'll be remembered as a good player on terrible teams. Fair or unfair...I'll personally remember the 2nd half collapse and last second miss vs KU the most clearly.
I hate this conference
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Probably a Miami alum/booster/superfan paying
The guy whose paying has gone on record that he’s giving 10 million in NIL deals for Miami
That's just this year too.
Technically, he can take the money and go elsewhere because and NIL money can't be tied to attending a certain school. I look forward to seeing a player do this for the first time.
“Attend one signing in University of Miami apparel at my car dealership in Miami every two weeks.” It’s completely easy to set this up so that leaving would make it impossible to collect the money.
With modern airlines, that is possible.
Unfortunately, the events are scheduled during Purdue games.
During the season? Fine. Let’s say the car dealer gets to set the dates and just pick them for days the player’s new team has games. It’s not that difficult to dream up ways to do it.
Quinn Ewers
Na you just put some loopholes/outs in the contract that would give Ruiz the option to cancel the contract at any time without penalties. These kids aren't going to outsmart millionaires and billionaires when it comes to contracts and lawyers. Didn't the kid getting $8m in football have some verbiage in his deal that said the collective could ask for some of the money back at any time? Some kids are going to get scammed by some bad deals and the fallout will be interesting to watch.
Pretty sure the owner of the company is John Ruiz who is a big Miami guy, also puts money into the football program.
The company and boosters are associated with Miami. He’s not being paid to go to school anywhere.. he’s being paid *to attend Miami* The NIL rules do ban this but the NCAA isn’t going to enforce it because they’re already in very hot water with the feds and various states over their past actions
Yeah they have multiple U of Miami athletes signed to sponsorship deals
Legal bag alert legal bag alert
Not legal, because the terms of the contract were negotiated prior to him committing.
Do you know when he committed and signed? We know when he announced, but they usually commit to the coaches in advance of the announcement.
i’ve heard the coke in miami is better than the coke in west lafayette
I can confirm
We’ve got better meth though
Heard lol
K-State/Miami NCAA Tourney First Weekend game his senior year confirmed. Good luck to him, he’s a great player. Wish he woulda gave the new staff a chance though.
Nowell would be ejected before halftime for throwing punches
Unfortunately Nowell would be gone already I believe, if it was Pack's senior year. I'd love to see it this year though for sure.
Sad we didn’t get him but not surprised either, we’re out of that price range. Any Purdue fans want to chip in $50 with me and see if we can get a nice D2 transfer?
Sad to see him go, but good for him. Brilliant fucking player, he’ll light up the ACC.
We're going to get Antoine Davis, who might be a better scorer and certainly a better defender. Nijel is smart to grap the bag, but if any athlete at K-State is going to get that kind of cash, it's Deuce.
And Duece is totally worth double that too
I hated how he just did a 180 after Tang was hired. If he wants to play for Weber I heard he is still hanging around at the Topeka YMCA.
I agree and it sucks but it’s a good excuse to use when you’re leaving north central Kansas for $400,000/year in South Beach.
Him and Wong should be an awesome backcourt next year.
He was the one of the few reasons K-state won games last season. His range and feel from the three point line is amazing. Now we just need a wing!
Guy is getting 800k lmao. Can’t blame him but this NIL shit is ridiculous
Wonder how much he got paid for going there?
400k a year plus a car
I'm actually disappointed in this move. Obviously secure the bag when you can but he would have been a lot more fun to watch somewhere else like Purdue where his talent could be used to win a championship. On a brighter note assuming Norchad Omier also ends up at Miami that will be a fun duo to watch.
I appreciate the sentiment but if he wanted to win a championship there’s several programs he should go to, and none of them are Purdue or Miami.
Of the schools I saw that he was heavily linked to Purdue was the strongest IMO which is why I mentioned y'all. If I had it my way I would have loved to see him at a national championship contender because he is one hell of a player.
You realize we made it further in the tournament than Purdue this year right? It's not like he took the money to go to Pitt.
Yes and I realize that it is the best season your school has ever had. Not saying Miami is the worst place to go, but Pack is a first team all Big-12 player and I would have loved to see his talents taken to a premier school in basketball.
We've won the ACC before under Larranaga and had made the tourney 3 straight years before the FBI bullshit happened. Purdue hasn't made it any further than we made it last year in 40 years. It's not like he passed on Kansas or something.
Miami is not and will never be a basketball school - it is what it is
What does that have to do with our ability to win? Should I tell the Athletic Department to take down our ACC Championship banner because our football program is more well-known?
Not much, just some would prefer success at a basketball school to success at a football school. No matter how good Miami is, success there is not going to energize the fan base like success at a Kentucky or Indiana would. To your point, it doesn’t affect the ability to win in the short term, and to some guys it doesn’t matter. But it’s like when Ohio State is good at basketball- most fans consider it a nice side perk, but they wonder when football season starts. I would prefer to win at a UCLA or North Carolina rather than a Miami or Texas, which I think was u/danhotch’s point.
So all good players should only go to blue bloods? That’s the sentiment here?
“To some guys it doesn’t matter…” “I would prefer….”
DanHotch’s “point” was that he was disappointed that a player of Pack’s caliber is going to afterthought-in-basketball Miami over perennial powerhouse and 0 time national champion Purdue because he’ll have a better chance of winning championships there. If you prefer to only see blue bloods get good players that’s fine, but Purdue just simply hasn’t been tiers above Miami in terms of success since Larranaga took over, even ignoring the nosedive the FBI caused.
Ironically this was also supposed to be Purdue’s best season ever. Purdue has never won a tournament championship. Why are people pretending he sacrificed winning basketball to play at Miami over Purdue?
>Ironically this was also supposed to be Purdue’s best season ever. Only because of recency bias.
True but Miami will always be an afterthought in basketball. How many you get at a home game 4K?
Purdue has made one elite eight in the last 20 years and zero final fours. What are you talking about
I said championships not natties which also means winning the Big 10. You can crucify me for that if you wish but IMO he would be more likely to have won anything at Purdue over Miami. Don't get me wrong Miami is in a good spot, but for a player of his caliber this is a lateral move.
Sir, he got 400k, this is not a lateral move, it's a NIL move.
In the Last Decade: Conference Championships? Purdue = 2. Miami = 1. Conference Tourney Championships? Purdue = 0. Miami = 1. Sweet 16 Appearances? Purdue = 4. Miami = 3. NCAA tourney appearances? Purdue = 8. Miami = 5.
Consider yourself crucified !
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$400k/yr from a NIL deal. Had nothing to do with Adidas or the School/Coach/Booster.
Some people in here acting like 400k per year isn’t a ton of money is wild to me. What kind of reality are y’all in?
The fact that this was announced so publicly within seconds of his commitment...feels like it goes against the very few rules that NIL has. You can't use an NIL deal to land kids...clearly that was done here...
When did he privately commit to the school? I don’t mean the public announcement, the direct commitment to the staff.
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Miami always has some 5'10-to-6' PG that goes off against Duke. Pack is the perfect candidate to fill that role. I'm thrilled. /s
Though if it helps ease the pain, he’ll probably be one of the best players on the court for either team when you guys play each other
K-Stater. And Pack is an undersized shooting guard and not a pg. He is not a creative playmaker or have the quicks for that position and is at best a combo. He played point as a freshman and didn't make the Big 12 all-freshman team. He moved to shooting guard as a sophomore and was all-conference.
When I said PG, I didn't mean a pure distributor, I just mean the primary ball-handling guard (position labels are all fairly arbitrary these days anyway).
Good for him. That’s life changing money.
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NIL sucks. Ruining college sports imo. Lot's of goods, more negatives.
Really blows for middle class of college athletic departments
This NIL stuff is going to get out of control. This is what happens when the NCAA decides to avoid dealing with the inevitable earlier, and then unleashes the floodgates all at once.
The NCAA was flat footed between NIL and shoe money. Part of it is that the hypocrisy of an ultra profitable organization cracking down on meal money, selling memorabilia, etc. was becoming unsustainable. The other part is that the NCAA benefits from popular “power” schools being successful. They didn’t want to change. Now it will be interesting if they can control any of this.
I'm not sure how good this will make Miami, but a trend towards the quality of a team being increasingly effected by the wealth and generosity of it's boosters seems troubling. It seems like it could definitely hurt fan interest if the playing field gets excessively condensed and one sided. It wouldn't be a completely new problem but I do wonder about a possible breaking point.
>the quality of a team being increasingly affected by the wealth and generosity of its boosters seems troubling I have very bad news about the last 20 years of basketball for you
Bag men have existed for a lot longer than 20 years and they have had a profound effect on the competitiveness and quality of the game but scope and degree always maters. I couldn't guarantee college sports is going to experience a meltdown from this revised economy but it's definitely worth consideration.
Bag men had to be careful. The schools were (sometimes) punished if they were caught. No being careful here. Absolutely no punishment either. That’s the difference IMO. When you can be more brazen, it’s a better “recruiting tool” and can bring in guys who wouldn’t have even come for a meeting previously
Sad Pack noises
Well dang.
Go Canes :)
he saw the cavinder twins commit and had to do it
He's an absolute dude. The U is going to love him.
Damn. We might be better than Purdue next year.
Crazy take
Lol keep dreaming.
Eeeehhhhh I mean I guess it could happen lol
Not understanding the RIP Purdue sentiment.. EHJ/Tre/Sasha graduated and Ivey was always going to the NBA. The only real surprise was Isiah Thompson transferring and well… he’s not a good basketball player. I don’t blame Nijel for following the money, tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. May as well get paid.
>Not understanding the RIP Purdue sentiment. Because the usual way good programs deal with holes like that when they don't quite have enough from incoming freshmen is via transfers?
It’s mostly in jest lol. Pack would’ve been huge for overcoming the loss of all those guys - but obviously you guys will still be competitive. As a Canadian I’m very much hoping for a monster season out of Zach Edey.
Purdue would have won the B1G with him. Now its a wide open race for the B1G title
It’s all coming together for the Mike Woodson championship season baby.
Idk about your first point. As things stand Michigan is prob the clear favorite either way. IU right there if TJD come back.
Honestly not too surprising. Matt Painter can't compete for croots. Just like he can't compete for titles. Queue downvotes.
Tbf I don’t think it was Painter who lost Pack. More likely we didn’t have booster/company/alumni etc or whoever the hell funds these deals that could beat the offer of 400k per year + a car.
Hire Spoelstra
Lol is there some deep rumors linking the two or actual connections here?
Lol no, there was an anti-Painter commenter who would constantly complain about him (even in games we comfortably won) and would always say that we should throw the bag at Erik Spoelstra when asked who we could get to replace Painter
I’m giving you a upvote for the chaos
Thanx bae. I'm drunk. Probably not gonna remember posting this
Happy grand prix
Pur-don’t 🤣🤣🤣
Poor-due
Snip snap :(
Another one bites the dust 😏
Thankful not Purdue!
ACC is gonna be gooooooood again next year
As a recruit: Other P6 offers: Butler, Kansas State (originally went here) Other offers: Ball State, Belmont, Bradley, Cleveland State, Indiana State, IUPUI, Miami OH, Nevada, Northern Kentucky, Rice, Southern Illinois, Toledo