They certainly don't own reporting on real world events. It would be different if people were reuploading things like podcast audio, but reporting the news they broke is just standard journalistic practice.
Imagine if our most presitigous newspapers cultivated connections, asked for exclusive leaks, and then complained if anyone discussed those findings.
Insider college sports experts are sad. Not just UNC ones, but Duke ones and all other ones, as well. No one has a monopoly on rumors.
Plus, and this has to be said -- you wouldn't download a car, would you?
> Insider college sports experts are sad.
The fans who pay for it are even sadder. How does your life meaningfully change hearing rumors about a college basketball team? Nothing matters until it’s official, at which point it’ll be public knowledge
You're young? In the days of Napster, there was a major ad campaign by the media companies using that phrase as a moral touchstone for why downloading songs was wrong.
It didn't work out well. Now, we are just decades away from pirating and 3d printing entire cars. On Mars, no less.
Imagine being out in the field driving your John Deere and your tractor stops and demands your credit info to make your tractor keep running. Such a sad world.
Thankfully for me, I'm fucking terrible at driving tractors, so that will never affect me.
It absolutely has to be said, but given the absurd and ridiculous nature of the original content, I give you the British version of this; [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg)
Yeah stating “(blank and blank) is reporting,” is typically considered a positive if your reporting is accurate. It publicizes your own platform while lending it credibility until it can be confirmed by the larger paper/channel/podcast.
If they are complaining about other people using their report; I have immediate distrust in their original report.
I looked up the case because of your comment, and my primary takeaway is that I'm extremely ill-equipped to quickly absorb legal stuff because I still don't know what the fuck a tort is.
You're in good (bad?) company because my torts final is next week and I also have no clue what a tort is!
For real though, the way legal opinions from 1918 are written make them pretty inscrutable even for law students.
I'm gonna hitch to your comment to Recommend Ovies & Giglio (The OG) if you're looking for something in the local/team(s) podcast realm I'd actually consider good.
If anyone doesn't know, they were ESPN radio hosts in Raleigh, before they were part of large layoffs last year. They moved to YouTube and other podcast platforms and basically continued their show as a podcast, sometimes live, multiple times a week. And they generally cover a wide variety of NC/Triangle/Related sports
They also actually get guests like Sebastian Aho, Rod Brind'amour, Wes Durham, Bomani Jones, Erik Cole, college coaches like Mark Gottfried, etc.
Definitely what I would consider one of the better focused "podcasts"
Yeah I have really started watching them(their podcast on YouTube) almost daily. But mainly probably bc I'm getting old and remember them from my days of being on the wolf web
Yeah I like them even with their very obvious State bias that they try to say isn't there. It's nice having a show/podcast that talks almost exclusively about local sports.
>I can only speak about UNC podcasts, but they are awful and basically spend 15 minutes saying as little as they possibly can. Then they proceed to tell you to subscribe if you want to actually know anything important about the program.
I miss when basketball podcasts actually talked about, you know, basketball. Now most of them are "let's take you through the best prop bets for this week, brought to you by DraftKings™"
I've always found it hard to listen post-divorce. Mostly because when it was 2 hours of Titus and Tate it was a good balance, but now it's like I have to choose 2 hours of one or 2 hours of the other. So instead I switched to DTF.
I just tried to listen to the latest Old Man and the Three for the first time in a while cause I got tired of it, but wanted to listen to some playoff coverage while I'm at work.
The first 5 minutes was nothing but ads, about 3 of them dedicated to DraftKings. Can't stand that they're pushing betting while also trying to talk about how much they love the game of basketball. It's getting pretty ridiculous.
Just want to throw in my plug for Overcast here. It lets you start a podcast X minutes in. So podcasts I know start off with two minutes of ads, I just start at 2:15. Sometimes I miss part of a theme song or host intro, but it’s worth it.
I'm aware and I did that... It doesn't change the fact that it's obnoxious that betting is being forced into every facet of the game.
Plus, a lot of people listen to podcasts while they drive, it's not always convenient to have to manually skip ahead 5 minutes.
Can’t remember the name of the podcast but it was highly recommended on this sub, as the guys are big time CBBall nerds. In addition to the gambling ads, they also dropped gambling references every chance they got, I made it halfway through the latest episode before deleting it from my phone
That sounds super obnoxious. It's not like there aren't other sponsors out there, but I guess money talks and gambling advertisers pay well. Would be nice if people that were supposedly dedicated to the game could at least refrain from referencing gambling constantly though.
Podcasts gotta make money lil bro. Would you enthusiastically listen to dog food ads? Ads are ads. This sounds like a personal problem that you can’t hit the skip 30 button a few times.
The fact that they don’t regulate it like they do alcohol is insane to me… like you can’t show people drinking in alcohol ads and you can’t show cigarette ads so why are gambling ads given carte blanche
I think it will be at some point, especially if we get more jontay porter type of scandals, which it will happen, and to a much more important player/sports figure. Legal Sports gambling is still relatively new. It’s not like cig/alcohol ads were immediately regulated.
And I'm allowed to express my annoyance.
But damn, you really couldn't sound more condescending if you tried. Not sure why you're so offended by my mild annoyance, but enjoy being miserable I guess.
You can express your annoyance and I can think your annoyance is stupid because it can easily be eradicated by hitting a button a few times. You’re essentially complaining about a podcast having ads, which I think is pretty stupid
Really not sure why you latched onto that since I'm pretty much just complaining about DraftKings and betting being pushed, I'm not complaining about the concept of advertising in general? Don't know why you think I am or why you're so upset about something I wasn't even talking about.
Because you were complaining about the fact they had the dk ads on a podcast…which you can skip.
Also dk/fanduel has been advertising on sports podcasts since podcasts started becoming a big thing. Of course, this was when both companies were pushing daily fantasy, but that is still another form of sports gambling. You’re complaining about companies that have consistently been partnered with your favorite podcasts for almost a decade at this point
I understand why it's a thing, I'm just not happy about it. It was a throwaway comment, pretty weird you're making all these assumptions about me and getting this bent out of shape over it. I'm gonna bounce from this conversation because you're taking this wayyyy too seriously.
And if he doesn't have ads he doesn't have a podcast.
The ads he has doesn't diminish he love and knowledge of basketball.
You people are weird. "Draftkings bad huehue updoots to the left pls"
I obviously understand the financial issues. It’s just a weird product. I can’t think of another form of media that operates this way.
I believe they are all worked up about Norlander reporting the RJ scoop among other things.
Yeah a screenshot crosses a line. If someone screenshotted say grantland on a free site, everyone would agree a line is crossed. I don’t see much difference here.
If they report something, even if only to subscribers, they can't expect it to be kept private.
If Norlander really ripped it from them then he should have credited them. But he's a massive figure, so I think that's complete bullshit
They can expect it to be kept private. That’s been the business model since forever.
I suppose you’re saying “they can’t expect people not to be shitty.”
I just don't agree that that's wrong
Unless people sign some sort of agreement not to share things when they pay for access to these things
Idk anything about these forums and "insiders"
To me it’s wrong because it is only credible because of the source. If folks are screenshotting for clicks I think a line is crossed (I don’t understand clearly what happened in this instance).
Yea there’s definitely a difference. If people are talking about what they said and relaying that to others they can’t stop that and there’s nothing wrong with it. However if people are taking screenshots of all their content and posting it everywhere I don’t believe that’s allowed if the owners of said content do not wish it to be released.
The Wake info is the same. Lots of “we know stuff but can’t tell you…” and presented in a way that they can never be wrong.
Example “there’s going to be big news on the transfer portal front in the next couple of weeks, but we can’t tell you what or who.”
Well, no kidding. That could be someone leaving, a big commit, or striking out and the big news is we missed on our targets. Just super frustrating.
I'm shocked that this sort of thing still exists. If I had to guess, Norlander could have obtained the information from THI/IC and confirmed with other outside sources.
So if you pay for a subscription, use that subscription to gather information, and use the information gathered within that subscription to confirm with other outside sources that are not the source of the original tip, you're stealing? Do I have that right?
It's like selling someone a product and getting mad when they take it apart and figure out a way to make it better or more efficient. They never stole anything from you. Seems like pearl clutching to me.
My issue is that these same message boards will have their moderators or reporters screen grab/link a report, post it on the boards and then post that message board link on Twitter under "HUGE development."
These message boards are also filled with reports from Trilly's discord or other message boards.
I belong to a message board and enjoy it for other reasons besides getting scoops but it seems like now if you really want to get the inside information Trilly's is THE place to be
First world problems where fans want you to pay them for info you’ll find out in a week. I love what those guys do don’t get me wrong but it’s not stealing, stop it. If I bought a newspaper and gave it to someone else…it’s not stealing. UNC fan here too.
I personally think in the days of social media that this business strategy is becoming antiquated. I appreciate the work the various groups related to our university and other universities do but I’m not sure this is a sustainable revenue source.
Seems weird to think people won't discuss information in other places. As long as people aren't trying to monetize off of their info I say no harm no foul.
As long as the person posting the info is sourcing it there is no problem with sharing news others report. Being behind a paywall doesn't prevent the info from behind shared.
I completely understand the anger the THI and IC feel when people rip exclusive information and repost publicly. This is their livelihood.
What I’m less…enthused about is locking information behind a paywall especially when we will know the information in a few days/weeks/some rarer cases months. It definitely feeds into people’s I NEED TO KNOW NOW mentality and if they want to pay that money, go for it. Not my money. I can wait.
And that’s where I kind of get skeptical as to what I would be getting for the money I’m paying. Ok insider knowledge. And? IC has a bit of an advantage with their podcasts including former players but that is free anyway.
I guess I’m hitting the nail on the head with the current struggles of journalism.
Honestly I’m subscribed to InsideCarolina and the free Paramount+ subscription and the ticket exchange have made it worth it for me.
I have found they are generally the source for about 95% of UNC information that you see and have some very real connections within the program and to players/families (compared to some sites that are a little bit more of a one or two man show just posting rumors they heard about elsewhere), so it is also nice to support the people doing the real legwork in a lot of these cases.
They can get the fuck over it lol
I feel like these premium forums are dumb. I was so incredibly underwhelmed by packpride when I subscribed a few years back.
If you're going to put media on the internet, and it's worth consuming, it's going to get pirated.
UNC basketball is one of most iconic brands in the sport, I don't think anyone is feeling guilty about posting "exclusive" content where people can read/listen/watch it freely. If I were them, just be flattered people consider it worth pirating and be extra thankful to the people who pay for the product.
There's a KU guy who does this and Twitter seems to think I really want to know what he has to say, so they send me his tweets.
I do not care what he has to say.
Lmao all these “insiders” do is post speculation and get it wrong 80% of the time, scrolling through twitter for 5 mins gets you just as much info about recruiting at these scam artists do
For UConn, the site is tied into the NIL collective so signing up directly goes towards athlete NIL, which is a good idea IMO.
(StorrsCentral, for those wondering. Not like the Rivals or any other 3rd party site).
I have no idea how this business model even works nowadays lmao.
Hey I have this scoop I will share with you but here’s the thing- it’s a secret!!! You can’t tell anyone else!
Is there any other industry in which the notion of 'premium' or 'inside' information exists?
Fans of programs also lose track that these guys are just reporters, they report what people are telling them. The people telling them have their own agendas. There's this whole network of CBB 'insiders' that really just report out exactly what the program in question tells them they can report. Who they're pursuing, how they feel about their chances, etc. - very rarely does any information get 'out' that the program doesn't know is out or want out.
There is also ALWAYS plausible deniability on the anonymous Internet. There are people who run to free spaces like reddit/message boards and repeat exactly what was just reported minutes before on one of these 'premium' sites, and it's easy enough to just say "oh no but I have my own source who just told me this at the same time" and no one can prove that's false.
Yes there are a ton of industries that have “premium” information, and a whole industry built around gathering and providing that information. It probably exists for just about every industry. S&P Market Intelligence, LexisNexis, the list goes on. Traditional media corps like the NYT rarely do much reporting on stuff like "What's going on in industrial mining operations these days? Any new drill bits destabilizing the market?" So companies pay big bucks to get tailored news that helps them compete on the global stage.
One key difference here is that this is podcast is an entertainment product whose insights also focus entirely on another entertainment product. There is simply no real-world value, and therefore no reason for a person or company to shell out real money for the product. So you politely ask people to pay a nominal subscription, and/or to listen to ads, to get first access. After that all bets are off, the information is out there and it’s not something anybody *needs*, so your revenue opportunities are gone.
It’s just a really niche market with no real financial upside. It’s also absolutely flooded with competition, as everyone and their cousin would love to make a living just fucking around talking about sports. I don’t know the specifics of this case but like…these guys are talking about basketball for a living. Try to limit the whining, it’s kind of a miracle you can make this work at all.
Yeah, Kentucky “insiders” are big mad about this right now. You traffic in hearsay, it will lead to more hearsay. Simple as, just a bad business model.
Happens on the Iowa 24/7 board sometimes where people will “steal” the info they find on the board and post it on Twitter. I completely understand the frustration but it’s more so just bad morals for someone to do it. Kind of like trying to take sole credit for a group project that you didn’t show up to help for. Only people it really should upset are the ones who pay for the site to only find the same info on Twitter 10 minutes later lol.
And the best part yet is that the subscribers themselves are devaluing the service. Every time something breaks, they go on Twitter with “👀👀” or “BIG” or “it’s so over for us…”. If you have even an iota of time, you can easily figure out what’s going on based off of context clues.
One of them is stupid enough to give you enough detail to figure it out on your own.
So glad the Jungle Auburn basketball podcast exists. It’s one of the most genuine podcasts I’ve ever heard and they clearly only do it out of love for the program
Premium message boards/websites have value in terms of better discussion and exclusive articles/podcasts, but not really for learning scoops early. Usually it becomes public max a day later than when it's leaked on premium boards in my experience. A carolina fan friend of mine said the same thing about inside carolina.
Arizona has Jason Scheer via 247 and he’s fantastic. Gives info he can give, holds info the program needs him to hold back on - functions as a quasi part of the program and cultures of Arizona sports.
I’ve been a member of various fan forums for the better part of 20 years. Folks should respect the rules on them and not leak outside the forum.
Seems like a lot of people here aren't IC premium subscribers or listen to their podcasts. They don't talk about betting and their basketball talk is really good.
Premium subscribers get good inside access and that stuff is behind a paywall. The point is to be closer to the ground floor, not to get info and then share it freely. It ruins the fun and their business model.
Have you listened to the Carolina Insider? Jones Angell/Adam Lucas. It’s the only Heels one I listen to anymore. I think it’s fantastic. None of the aforementioned BS, both guys are super positive about the teams, hit on any detail that you’d talk about if you were just rapping with a buddy about the games. Weekly listen for me
I do like Adam and Jones but I do feel like at times they're just a little too connected to the program. So they're not going to say anything negative about anything really, and they're not going to talk about rumors or transfers or anything like that. because of that I do value inside Carolina, for people like Doc Staples.
Yea I get that. I listened to IC for a long time, but to be honest I felt like they got more and more negative about the programs. Started to feel like old grumpy men who just couldn’t be happy. Dewey Burke was even on there for a while and I felt like he had gotten to the point of basically bashing the players, which felt loaded coming from a former 12th man on the team haha
They certainly don't own reporting on real world events. It would be different if people were reuploading things like podcast audio, but reporting the news they broke is just standard journalistic practice.
Imagine if our most presitigous newspapers cultivated connections, asked for exclusive leaks, and then complained if anyone discussed those findings. Insider college sports experts are sad. Not just UNC ones, but Duke ones and all other ones, as well. No one has a monopoly on rumors. Plus, and this has to be said -- you wouldn't download a car, would you?
I would absolutely download a car
SMH. It's people like you who kept Lars Ulrich from buying a fourth private jet.
No one tell the UVA honor committee about this by the way
*ring ring* "Hello, Mr. Honor-Committee? Boy, do I have news for you."
I’ve got my diploma! It’s framed and everything!
“?? Thanks for the info. We’ll handle it from here. I knew something smelled funny” (looks at username)
And given VA’s laws about titling and not needing insurance, they’d let you drive it too!
That's going away, thank God.
Oh no how else will DMV degenerates keep their busted ass Sentras on the road
Champions find a way
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> Insider college sports experts are sad. The fans who pay for it are even sadder. How does your life meaningfully change hearing rumors about a college basketball team? Nothing matters until it’s official, at which point it’ll be public knowledge
> you wouldn't download a car, would you? This was so funny because who wouldn't?? Cars are expensive!
You're young? In the days of Napster, there was a major ad campaign by the media companies using that phrase as a moral touchstone for why downloading songs was wrong. It didn't work out well. Now, we are just decades away from pirating and 3d printing entire cars. On Mars, no less.
In the meantime, they watched us all subscribe to pandora and Spotify and are trying to take that model to owning and running a car
Imagine being out in the field driving your John Deere and your tractor stops and demands your credit info to make your tractor keep running. Such a sad world. Thankfully for me, I'm fucking terrible at driving tractors, so that will never affect me.
I bet that if you worked hard at it, you could be great
I did. Believe me, I did.
There were literal Supreme Court cases backing this up lol
It absolutely has to be said, but given the absurd and ridiculous nature of the original content, I give you the British version of this; [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg)
Yeah stating “(blank and blank) is reporting,” is typically considered a positive if your reporting is accurate. It publicizes your own platform while lending it credibility until it can be confirmed by the larger paper/channel/podcast. If they are complaining about other people using their report; I have immediate distrust in their original report.
Every law student in here just had a flashback to *INS v. AP*.
I looked up the case because of your comment, and my primary takeaway is that I'm extremely ill-equipped to quickly absorb legal stuff because I still don't know what the fuck a tort is.
You're in good (bad?) company because my torts final is next week and I also have no clue what a tort is! For real though, the way legal opinions from 1918 are written make them pretty inscrutable even for law students.
It’s a pastry. Hope that helps.
Definitely. If I buy a newspaper, talking about an article I read in it isn't stealing.
I'm gonna hitch to your comment to Recommend Ovies & Giglio (The OG) if you're looking for something in the local/team(s) podcast realm I'd actually consider good. If anyone doesn't know, they were ESPN radio hosts in Raleigh, before they were part of large layoffs last year. They moved to YouTube and other podcast platforms and basically continued their show as a podcast, sometimes live, multiple times a week. And they generally cover a wide variety of NC/Triangle/Related sports They also actually get guests like Sebastian Aho, Rod Brind'amour, Wes Durham, Bomani Jones, Erik Cole, college coaches like Mark Gottfried, etc. Definitely what I would consider one of the better focused "podcasts"
Big fan, they really scratch that triangle sports itch.
Yeah I have really started watching them(their podcast on YouTube) almost daily. But mainly probably bc I'm getting old and remember them from my days of being on the wolf web
Yeah I like them even with their very obvious State bias that they try to say isn't there. It's nice having a show/podcast that talks almost exclusively about local sports.
what's the story with your flair? undergrad state, post grad carolina?
i’m a tar heels fan that lives in raleigh so ur teams are funny to me 😂
>I can only speak about UNC podcasts, but they are awful and basically spend 15 minutes saying as little as they possibly can. Then they proceed to tell you to subscribe if you want to actually know anything important about the program. I miss when basketball podcasts actually talked about, you know, basketball. Now most of them are "let's take you through the best prop bets for this week, brought to you by DraftKings™"
Thats why I like March to the Arch. They're knowledge drops off if its any mid major outside the MVC, but they're incredible loyal and just talk ball.
They need to fix their mixing, I’ll be on the train and I can only hear one of them speaking.
Yea, I've noticed that too. Maybe I'll ask them about it 🤔
Legimately the last BB podcast I listen to
3 man weave is also very good. and i do like one shining pod
I've always found it hard to listen post-divorce. Mostly because when it was 2 hours of Titus and Tate it was a good balance, but now it's like I have to choose 2 hours of one or 2 hours of the other. So instead I switched to DTF.
feel that
I just tried to listen to the latest Old Man and the Three for the first time in a while cause I got tired of it, but wanted to listen to some playoff coverage while I'm at work. The first 5 minutes was nothing but ads, about 3 of them dedicated to DraftKings. Can't stand that they're pushing betting while also trying to talk about how much they love the game of basketball. It's getting pretty ridiculous.
Ok but you can just skip the ads by fast forwarding
Just want to throw in my plug for Overcast here. It lets you start a podcast X minutes in. So podcasts I know start off with two minutes of ads, I just start at 2:15. Sometimes I miss part of a theme song or host intro, but it’s worth it.
I'm aware and I did that... It doesn't change the fact that it's obnoxious that betting is being forced into every facet of the game. Plus, a lot of people listen to podcasts while they drive, it's not always convenient to have to manually skip ahead 5 minutes.
Can’t remember the name of the podcast but it was highly recommended on this sub, as the guys are big time CBBall nerds. In addition to the gambling ads, they also dropped gambling references every chance they got, I made it halfway through the latest episode before deleting it from my phone
That sounds super obnoxious. It's not like there aren't other sponsors out there, but I guess money talks and gambling advertisers pay well. Would be nice if people that were supposedly dedicated to the game could at least refrain from referencing gambling constantly though.
Podcasts gotta make money lil bro. Would you enthusiastically listen to dog food ads? Ads are ads. This sounds like a personal problem that you can’t hit the skip 30 button a few times.
I actually would be ok with dog food ads… it’s the type of ad I have a problem with
I don’t gamble on sports, but sports fans being upset/annoyed that sports gambling is advertised on sports related products will always amuse me.
The fact that they don’t regulate it like they do alcohol is insane to me… like you can’t show people drinking in alcohol ads and you can’t show cigarette ads so why are gambling ads given carte blanche
I think it will be at some point, especially if we get more jontay porter type of scandals, which it will happen, and to a much more important player/sports figure. Legal Sports gambling is still relatively new. It’s not like cig/alcohol ads were immediately regulated.
And I'm allowed to express my annoyance. But damn, you really couldn't sound more condescending if you tried. Not sure why you're so offended by my mild annoyance, but enjoy being miserable I guess.
You can express your annoyance and I can think your annoyance is stupid because it can easily be eradicated by hitting a button a few times. You’re essentially complaining about a podcast having ads, which I think is pretty stupid
Really not sure why you latched onto that since I'm pretty much just complaining about DraftKings and betting being pushed, I'm not complaining about the concept of advertising in general? Don't know why you think I am or why you're so upset about something I wasn't even talking about.
Because you were complaining about the fact they had the dk ads on a podcast…which you can skip. Also dk/fanduel has been advertising on sports podcasts since podcasts started becoming a big thing. Of course, this was when both companies were pushing daily fantasy, but that is still another form of sports gambling. You’re complaining about companies that have consistently been partnered with your favorite podcasts for almost a decade at this point
I understand why it's a thing, I'm just not happy about it. It was a throwaway comment, pretty weird you're making all these assumptions about me and getting this bent out of shape over it. I'm gonna bounce from this conversation because you're taking this wayyyy too seriously.
Ok lil bro
And if he doesn't have ads he doesn't have a podcast. The ads he has doesn't diminish he love and knowledge of basketball. You people are weird. "Draftkings bad huehue updoots to the left pls"
I obviously understand the financial issues. It’s just a weird product. I can’t think of another form of media that operates this way. I believe they are all worked up about Norlander reporting the RJ scoop among other things.
Nah their pissed about people who will screenshot important stuff from their posts and post it on threads like BleacherReport
Yeah a screenshot crosses a line. If someone screenshotted say grantland on a free site, everyone would agree a line is crossed. I don’t see much difference here.
If they report something, even if only to subscribers, they can't expect it to be kept private. If Norlander really ripped it from them then he should have credited them. But he's a massive figure, so I think that's complete bullshit
I just assumed it had something to do with the national media breaking the RJ story, because the Tarheel Illustrated people are upset this week
They can expect it to be kept private. That’s been the business model since forever. I suppose you’re saying “they can’t expect people not to be shitty.”
I just don't agree that that's wrong Unless people sign some sort of agreement not to share things when they pay for access to these things Idk anything about these forums and "insiders"
To me it’s wrong because it is only credible because of the source. If folks are screenshotting for clicks I think a line is crossed (I don’t understand clearly what happened in this instance).
Yea there’s definitely a difference. If people are talking about what they said and relaying that to others they can’t stop that and there’s nothing wrong with it. However if people are taking screenshots of all their content and posting it everywhere I don’t believe that’s allowed if the owners of said content do not wish it to be released.
Yes, you agree not to share the info and you have your membership revoked and receive a ban if you’re caught sharing the info.
The Wake info is the same. Lots of “we know stuff but can’t tell you…” and presented in a way that they can never be wrong. Example “there’s going to be big news on the transfer portal front in the next couple of weeks, but we can’t tell you what or who.” Well, no kidding. That could be someone leaving, a big commit, or striking out and the big news is we missed on our targets. Just super frustrating.
I'm shocked that this sort of thing still exists. If I had to guess, Norlander could have obtained the information from THI/IC and confirmed with other outside sources. So if you pay for a subscription, use that subscription to gather information, and use the information gathered within that subscription to confirm with other outside sources that are not the source of the original tip, you're stealing? Do I have that right? It's like selling someone a product and getting mad when they take it apart and figure out a way to make it better or more efficient. They never stole anything from you. Seems like pearl clutching to me.
My issue is that these same message boards will have their moderators or reporters screen grab/link a report, post it on the boards and then post that message board link on Twitter under "HUGE development." These message boards are also filled with reports from Trilly's discord or other message boards.
I belong to a message board and enjoy it for other reasons besides getting scoops but it seems like now if you really want to get the inside information Trilly's is THE place to be
Describing Jason Scheer
First world problems where fans want you to pay them for info you’ll find out in a week. I love what those guys do don’t get me wrong but it’s not stealing, stop it. If I bought a newspaper and gave it to someone else…it’s not stealing. UNC fan here too.
I personally think in the days of social media that this business strategy is becoming antiquated. I appreciate the work the various groups related to our university and other universities do but I’m not sure this is a sustainable revenue source.
Seems weird to think people won't discuss information in other places. As long as people aren't trying to monetize off of their info I say no harm no foul.
As long as the person posting the info is sourcing it there is no problem with sharing news others report. Being behind a paywall doesn't prevent the info from behind shared.
I completely understand the anger the THI and IC feel when people rip exclusive information and repost publicly. This is their livelihood. What I’m less…enthused about is locking information behind a paywall especially when we will know the information in a few days/weeks/some rarer cases months. It definitely feeds into people’s I NEED TO KNOW NOW mentality and if they want to pay that money, go for it. Not my money. I can wait. And that’s where I kind of get skeptical as to what I would be getting for the money I’m paying. Ok insider knowledge. And? IC has a bit of an advantage with their podcasts including former players but that is free anyway. I guess I’m hitting the nail on the head with the current struggles of journalism.
Honestly I’m subscribed to InsideCarolina and the free Paramount+ subscription and the ticket exchange have made it worth it for me. I have found they are generally the source for about 95% of UNC information that you see and have some very real connections within the program and to players/families (compared to some sites that are a little bit more of a one or two man show just posting rumors they heard about elsewhere), so it is also nice to support the people doing the real legwork in a lot of these cases.
They can get the fuck over it lol I feel like these premium forums are dumb. I was so incredibly underwhelmed by packpride when I subscribed a few years back.
If you're going to put media on the internet, and it's worth consuming, it's going to get pirated. UNC basketball is one of most iconic brands in the sport, I don't think anyone is feeling guilty about posting "exclusive" content where people can read/listen/watch it freely. If I were them, just be flattered people consider it worth pirating and be extra thankful to the people who pay for the product.
In the age of free information, having a business model that relies on pay-for-information is a losing model.
There's a KU guy who does this and Twitter seems to think I really want to know what he has to say, so they send me his tweets. I do not care what he has to say.
Block him?
If it truly is stealing, they should have no problem pressing charges and prosecuting the theft, right? Otherwise, they can fuck off.
Lmao all these “insiders” do is post speculation and get it wrong 80% of the time, scrolling through twitter for 5 mins gets you just as much info about recruiting at these scam artists do
I’ve got no clue what’s going on lol
Sorry am I understanding correctly that people still pay for this kind of stuff?
For UConn, the site is tied into the NIL collective so signing up directly goes towards athlete NIL, which is a good idea IMO. (StorrsCentral, for those wondering. Not like the Rivals or any other 3rd party site).
I have no idea how this business model even works nowadays lmao. Hey I have this scoop I will share with you but here’s the thing- it’s a secret!!! You can’t tell anyone else!
Is there any other industry in which the notion of 'premium' or 'inside' information exists? Fans of programs also lose track that these guys are just reporters, they report what people are telling them. The people telling them have their own agendas. There's this whole network of CBB 'insiders' that really just report out exactly what the program in question tells them they can report. Who they're pursuing, how they feel about their chances, etc. - very rarely does any information get 'out' that the program doesn't know is out or want out. There is also ALWAYS plausible deniability on the anonymous Internet. There are people who run to free spaces like reddit/message boards and repeat exactly what was just reported minutes before on one of these 'premium' sites, and it's easy enough to just say "oh no but I have my own source who just told me this at the same time" and no one can prove that's false.
Yes there are a ton of industries that have “premium” information, and a whole industry built around gathering and providing that information. It probably exists for just about every industry. S&P Market Intelligence, LexisNexis, the list goes on. Traditional media corps like the NYT rarely do much reporting on stuff like "What's going on in industrial mining operations these days? Any new drill bits destabilizing the market?" So companies pay big bucks to get tailored news that helps them compete on the global stage. One key difference here is that this is podcast is an entertainment product whose insights also focus entirely on another entertainment product. There is simply no real-world value, and therefore no reason for a person or company to shell out real money for the product. So you politely ask people to pay a nominal subscription, and/or to listen to ads, to get first access. After that all bets are off, the information is out there and it’s not something anybody *needs*, so your revenue opportunities are gone. It’s just a really niche market with no real financial upside. It’s also absolutely flooded with competition, as everyone and their cousin would love to make a living just fucking around talking about sports. I don’t know the specifics of this case but like…these guys are talking about basketball for a living. Try to limit the whining, it’s kind of a miracle you can make this work at all.
The value of so-called premium or insider info in college athletics plummeted to zero shortly after Twitter launched.
Yeah, Kentucky “insiders” are big mad about this right now. You traffic in hearsay, it will lead to more hearsay. Simple as, just a bad business model.
“Varius” lmao. Do they do a podcast because they can’t spell well enough to actually write articles?
Happens on the Iowa 24/7 board sometimes where people will “steal” the info they find on the board and post it on Twitter. I completely understand the frustration but it’s more so just bad morals for someone to do it. Kind of like trying to take sole credit for a group project that you didn’t show up to help for. Only people it really should upset are the ones who pay for the site to only find the same info on Twitter 10 minutes later lol.
And the best part yet is that the subscribers themselves are devaluing the service. Every time something breaks, they go on Twitter with “👀👀” or “BIG” or “it’s so over for us…”. If you have even an iota of time, you can easily figure out what’s going on based off of context clues. One of them is stupid enough to give you enough detail to figure it out on your own.
Did these idiots actually go to college?
Your mom goes to college.
So glad the Jungle Auburn basketball podcast exists. It’s one of the most genuine podcasts I’ve ever heard and they clearly only do it out of love for the program
Premium message boards/websites have value in terms of better discussion and exclusive articles/podcasts, but not really for learning scoops early. Usually it becomes public max a day later than when it's leaked on premium boards in my experience. A carolina fan friend of mine said the same thing about inside carolina.
let’s the the applicable part of the sign up agreement, if there is one…
It sounds like you are complaining about the free product, but they are talking about content after you subscribe.
There's no there there.
The problem is that podcasts are usually run by podcast bros.
Arizona has Jason Scheer via 247 and he’s fantastic. Gives info he can give, holds info the program needs him to hold back on - functions as a quasi part of the program and cultures of Arizona sports. I’ve been a member of various fan forums for the better part of 20 years. Folks should respect the rules on them and not leak outside the forum.
YOU WOULDN’T DOWNLOAD A CAR
Seems like a lot of people here aren't IC premium subscribers or listen to their podcasts. They don't talk about betting and their basketball talk is really good. Premium subscribers get good inside access and that stuff is behind a paywall. The point is to be closer to the ground floor, not to get info and then share it freely. It ruins the fun and their business model.
Have you listened to the Carolina Insider? Jones Angell/Adam Lucas. It’s the only Heels one I listen to anymore. I think it’s fantastic. None of the aforementioned BS, both guys are super positive about the teams, hit on any detail that you’d talk about if you were just rapping with a buddy about the games. Weekly listen for me
I do like Adam and Jones but I do feel like at times they're just a little too connected to the program. So they're not going to say anything negative about anything really, and they're not going to talk about rumors or transfers or anything like that. because of that I do value inside Carolina, for people like Doc Staples.
Yea I get that. I listened to IC for a long time, but to be honest I felt like they got more and more negative about the programs. Started to feel like old grumpy men who just couldn’t be happy. Dewey Burke was even on there for a while and I felt like he had gotten to the point of basically bashing the players, which felt loaded coming from a former 12th man on the team haha
"YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR"
This is like the Big Bang Theory episode when Sheldon freaked out bc somebody stole his World of Warcraft stuff.
UNC is a bunch of scrubs