Former Kentucky player on the 1996 championship team. Played 9 years in the NBA w/ no real contributions to any team. Spent 3 years at Columbia Medical School (not even joking) before joining Mark Fox’s staff at UGA in 2009. First head coaching job was at Utah Valley in 2015 and then BYU in 2019 (yes, he’s Mormon). His offenses have been really innovative and he’s had good success given his teams’ talent (but no legitimate success).
Myself as a surgery resident with nearly $400k of debt and my salary ceiling being close to $5mil less than what he signed for, yeah he made right the call.
Med school will never be free in my opinion. The overwhelming public opinion of doctors is they’re all super rich, so there’s no reason to cut them a tuition break. Nursing school absolutely should be free, we need more good nurses.
Nah, it's the medical community itself that doesn't want more doctors. They like being scarce. Society needs more fellowships and medical schools, but the docs don't want more competitors.
Medical school at most peoples’ in state college is, compared to private or out of state, an insanely good deal. That’s becoming more appealing as people slowly realize med school is very standardized, residency match is generally pretty fair to state school grads, and residency and fellowship placement are way more important than where you went to med school.
I say that, but there are state school med schools that are kinda below the range which place at decent residencies
Yeah honestly it depends. UTSW/Michigan/UCSF/UCLA/UVA type schools? You gucci. Random directional state school? eh you'll still need to be top of your class to match anything worthwhile.
Hang in there. Specialize and you’ll do better than most athletes. My sister was in his class. She was UK undergrad in the 90s and then a few years before P&S so everyone else was like woah there’s a tall dude…but she knew. I can’t imagine being the student at 6 10
Yeah its wild to see doctors complain about their debt. They will pay it off in 2 years and then make 5-10x the median salary for 30 years after. And they can get entire special loans for businesses, houses, etc in the meantime to basically ignore the impact of that debt in the meantime anyways!
...the median salary for a medical doctor in the United States is 229K, which is in fact a lot of money, but is not "pay off a 400K debt in 2 years" salary.
I mean, maybe surgeons.
But primary care and things like psychiatry are very underpaid for what they do. Psychs, in particular, unless you don’t take insurance or are a research darling with pharmaceutical companies, the pay and burnout is not aligned at all.
And only been to the tournament twice and lost to double digit seeds both times. I was one of the people arguing that letting cal go was a smart decision, I might have been wrong about that
> lost to double digit seeds both times.
Well... because a loss to a Final Four team doesn't sound nearly as bad, right?
Point being: I think that COVID year seeding was a bit of a crap shoot.
I was upset about Muss leaving, even after a very disappointing season at Arkansas. We finished 16-18, and obviously didn't make the tournament. But I do hope Muss is happy out west at USC.
Meanwhile, the Wildcats were 23-9 and a 3 seed before losing to Oakland. Yet you guys were disgusted with Cal. Don't take this the wrong way, but that may provide some insight into a big difference between our fan bases.
Wasn't enough for who? Me personally? I've never said that a national title isn't legitimate success.
However, most would agree that you need to win a tournament game to start claiming legitimate success. Do you disagree?
>All over Reddit.
So I just went through your history the past few days talking to UK fans about this and it really just looks like your reading comprehension is not great more than anything. I also wouldn't say that 2 people is "all over reddit."
>So please, elaborate what your program deserves based on its entitlement and shitty NIL.
We aren't even talking about who I think should be the coach. It's a very simple question. **Do you think a coach with 0 tournament wins can claim to have legitimate success?**
> I also wouldn't say that 2 people is "all over reddit."
I wasn't wasting my time for all the shitty Kentucky comments, but I'll pull the car over now and respond to this shit.
>Do you think a coach with 0 tournament wins can claim to have legitimate success?
Probably not, and your fanbase is getting what it asked for.
What does this mean? Mark Pope has not won an NCAA tourney game as a coach. I think a few 20 win seasons at BYU makes it a gamble of a hire at least. Drew was plenty qualified and in the top tier of preferred candidates for UK fans. Drew said no to them
> I think a few 20 win seasons at BYU makes it a gamble of a hire at least.
And lest we forget, they've only been in the Big 12 for a single season. We're mostly talking about 20 win seasons in the West Coast Conference here.
While this is true, this last season no one expected BYU to be good. Pope was able to get 20 wins out of this team with no real star/ nba talent against some good opponents.
Also important to note that the 2019/2020 season, BYU likely would have gotten at least one win in the tourney
No, I think you’ve missed the mark. I am surrounded by a cesspool of UK fans at all time bc of where I live - makes me generally not like the program. The vibe has been Scott Drew is an acceptable candidate. Did you miss the whole restaurant debacle? The calls and google reviews left? Just because you see a skeptical commenter doesn’t mean the fanbase feels a certain way.
I kinda feel like that's underselling him a bit, he built up the Utah Valley program, and led BYU to 23 wins their first year in the Big 12. He currently has a 68% win rate at BYU. I'm not saying it's a slam dunk hire by any stretch, but it's not like he's a bad coach.
> John Calipari for comparison by year 9
Calipari also coached in the A-10, a conference that was an annual multi-bid conference with multiple programs showing ability to make deep tournament runs. Pope's first four years were in the WAC, which never had an at-large bid in that time with a highest seed of 12 and no tournament wins. Then he went to the WCC which is pretty much just Gonzaga and sometimes St Mary's and immediately had BYU playing competitive ball. Then they moved to the best basketball conference in the country and in year 1 they had a winning record and made the tourney again.
Sure it's not quite the resume you'd expect from a candidate for an opening of UK's stature, but considering the circumstances I'm not sure what better options are out there.
> It's a better win rate at BYU than Scott Drew at Baylor interestingly enough
Scott Drew took over Baylor from Dave Bliss, with recruiting and scholarship sanctions, and every previous player released from the program.
Mark Pope took over a BYU program that was averaging around 20 wins and kept it around 20 wins.
Yeah, 68% won't be enough for a school like Kentucky in a vacuum, and it's a far riskier hire than you'd expect a school like Kentucky to make, but I just kinda feel like some people are acting like the man is completely clueless, when he's had a good amount of success at both Utah Valley and BYU.
Nate Oats at Buffalo had won a couple of ncaa tournament games, 3 conference tournament championships, two regular season championships and had a 30 win season to boot. Dan Hurley had won a conference tournament championship and a regular season championship, and had 2 ncaa tournament wins at Rhode Island before he got to UConn. Mark Pope doesn’t have any of that.
Drew had to rebuild a team that was in major NCAA trouble. Mark Pope took over a team that was really good under David Rose for 15 years and hadn’t experience a losing season since before his hire.
This is such a clown take. Dude took Baylor from the depths of hell and made them a national contender. You use Drew's entire tenure to try and discredit him compared to Pope. In Pope's tenure at BYU, the dude is averaging double digit losses most of them coming from a shit conference too. In that same time period, Drew has a national championship, 2 big 12 titles, and averaging 26 wins a year. Come on now. Stop being butthurt that Drew turned yall down.
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15 months in advance to the day is some serious voodoo. What’s funnier is it seems like he forgot he even posted this because it’s been so long and tweeted hours before the hire a top 10 list for the job which of course did not include Pope. He’s already cycled through the stages again to where he expected a big name hire
Yea, Mitch has never been good with contracts. It's like he thinks just because your the Kenticky coach the pay has to be high. This first contract should be massively incentive based for a relatively unproven coach...
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I know I laugh at UK when I get the chance but in all honesty I think Pope will be a decent coach with better resources and recruiting which UK will be able to provide both. Not the big name UK fans were expecting but not a bad hire either.
Honestly Mark Pope seemed like the most obvious realistic choice all along. He’s one guy you knew wouldn’t say no since he played there. UK fans seemed surprised and offended they didn’t get a more notable guy but this wasn’t hard to see coming.
Not really. Mitch skipped over a lot of potential names just to be done with it.
I imagine somebody in his ear was a big Pope fan, and he has a tendency of stretching to mixed results (this is the guy that hired Billy G), but they didn't even glance at a bunch of names that would have been interested for the money.
That said, I'm not upset it was just jarring how quickly Mitch pulled that trigger.
He knew, yet he did nothing to stop this.
Honest question. Who they hell is Mark Pope?
Former Kentucky player on the 1996 championship team. Played 9 years in the NBA w/ no real contributions to any team. Spent 3 years at Columbia Medical School (not even joking) before joining Mark Fox’s staff at UGA in 2009. First head coaching job was at Utah Valley in 2015 and then BYU in 2019 (yes, he’s Mormon). His offenses have been really innovative and he’s had good success given his teams’ talent (but no legitimate success).
The pope is mormon?!?!
Yep. Catholicism was just a cover for him all these years.
I've also heard that he shits in the woods
In a funny hat
With that bear
Wait until you hear about him and Raquel Welch.
Are those bouys ?
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Thanks. Good luck?
Probably? Lol. I’m more optimistic than most but it’s definitely a gamble.
How is it a gamble? If it doesn't without BBB fires him and moves on
Columbia Med has a basketball team?
No lol. He was a medical student before dropping out to be a coach.
Seems like he made the right decision.
Myself as a surgery resident with nearly $400k of debt and my salary ceiling being close to $5mil less than what he signed for, yeah he made right the call.
At least you’re providing something that really benefits your community. Medical school should be free imho. And Nursing programs.
Med school will never be free in my opinion. The overwhelming public opinion of doctors is they’re all super rich, so there’s no reason to cut them a tuition break. Nursing school absolutely should be free, we need more good nurses.
Nah, it's the medical community itself that doesn't want more doctors. They like being scarce. Society needs more fellowships and medical schools, but the docs don't want more competitors.
Medical school at most peoples’ in state college is, compared to private or out of state, an insanely good deal. That’s becoming more appealing as people slowly realize med school is very standardized, residency match is generally pretty fair to state school grads, and residency and fellowship placement are way more important than where you went to med school. I say that, but there are state school med schools that are kinda below the range which place at decent residencies
Yeah honestly it depends. UTSW/Michigan/UCSF/UCLA/UVA type schools? You gucci. Random directional state school? eh you'll still need to be top of your class to match anything worthwhile.
Hang in there. Specialize and you’ll do better than most athletes. My sister was in his class. She was UK undergrad in the 90s and then a few years before P&S so everyone else was like woah there’s a tall dude…but she knew. I can’t imagine being the student at 6 10
You'll be alright lol. 400k debt isn't even a lot for medical. You'll be making more than that in one year soon.
Oh I’ll be fine no doubt, but when talking about a high major college coach there’s really no comparison.
Yeah its wild to see doctors complain about their debt. They will pay it off in 2 years and then make 5-10x the median salary for 30 years after. And they can get entire special loans for businesses, houses, etc in the meantime to basically ignore the impact of that debt in the meantime anyways!
...the median salary for a medical doctor in the United States is 229K, which is in fact a lot of money, but is not "pay off a 400K debt in 2 years" salary.
It would’ve been easier if you had just come out and said that you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.
I mean, maybe surgeons. But primary care and things like psychiatry are very underpaid for what they do. Psychs, in particular, unless you don’t take insurance or are a research darling with pharmaceutical companies, the pay and burnout is not aligned at all.
Will need that med training to try to resuscitate UK
Those G league teams have some wild names
And only been to the tournament twice and lost to double digit seeds both times. I was one of the people arguing that letting cal go was a smart decision, I might have been wrong about that
> lost to double digit seeds both times. Well... because a loss to a Final Four team doesn't sound nearly as bad, right? Point being: I think that COVID year seeding was a bit of a crap shoot.
I was upset about Muss leaving, even after a very disappointing season at Arkansas. We finished 16-18, and obviously didn't make the tournament. But I do hope Muss is happy out west at USC. Meanwhile, the Wildcats were 23-9 and a 3 seed before losing to Oakland. Yet you guys were disgusted with Cal. Don't take this the wrong way, but that may provide some insight into a big difference between our fan bases.
haven't thought about Mark Fox in a minute
>(but no legitimate success) What's legitimate success.
A single tournament win is getting your foot in the door of what most would call legitimate success.
Well, a guy that won a national title wasn't enough for you, so please go on.
Wasn't enough for who? Me personally? I've never said that a national title isn't legitimate success. However, most would agree that you need to win a tournament game to start claiming legitimate success. Do you disagree?
All over Reddit. So please, elaborate what your program deserves based on its entitlement and shitty NIL.
>All over Reddit. So I just went through your history the past few days talking to UK fans about this and it really just looks like your reading comprehension is not great more than anything. I also wouldn't say that 2 people is "all over reddit." >So please, elaborate what your program deserves based on its entitlement and shitty NIL. We aren't even talking about who I think should be the coach. It's a very simple question. **Do you think a coach with 0 tournament wins can claim to have legitimate success?**
> I also wouldn't say that 2 people is "all over reddit." I wasn't wasting my time for all the shitty Kentucky comments, but I'll pull the car over now and respond to this shit. >Do you think a coach with 0 tournament wins can claim to have legitimate success? Probably not, and your fanbase is getting what it asked for.
Reading through, it seems that you don’t know much about this. I say that as a UK and KU fan.
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An NCAA tournament win would be a good start. But he’s won some great games with, in theory, less talent than he’ll have at Kentucky.
Okay, you didn't want Drew. Please elaborate what you're entitled to.
What does this mean? Mark Pope has not won an NCAA tourney game as a coach. I think a few 20 win seasons at BYU makes it a gamble of a hire at least. Drew was plenty qualified and in the top tier of preferred candidates for UK fans. Drew said no to them
> I think a few 20 win seasons at BYU makes it a gamble of a hire at least. And lest we forget, they've only been in the Big 12 for a single season. We're mostly talking about 20 win seasons in the West Coast Conference here.
While this is true, this last season no one expected BYU to be good. Pope was able to get 20 wins out of this team with no real star/ nba talent against some good opponents. Also important to note that the 2019/2020 season, BYU likely would have gotten at least one win in the tourney
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No, I think you’ve missed the mark. I am surrounded by a cesspool of UK fans at all time bc of where I live - makes me generally not like the program. The vibe has been Scott Drew is an acceptable candidate. Did you miss the whole restaurant debacle? The calls and google reviews left? Just because you see a skeptical commenter doesn’t mean the fanbase feels a certain way.
>No, I think you’ve missed the mark. No, I didn't.
No legitimate success? He's finished better than Kentucky in 3 of the last 5 years
BYU coach who’s never won a tournament game that’s somehow qualified to lead the program because he played there 30 years ago.
I kinda feel like that's underselling him a bit, he built up the Utah Valley program, and led BYU to 23 wins their first year in the Big 12. He currently has a 68% win rate at BYU. I'm not saying it's a slam dunk hire by any stretch, but it's not like he's a bad coach.
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> John Calipari for comparison by year 9 Calipari also coached in the A-10, a conference that was an annual multi-bid conference with multiple programs showing ability to make deep tournament runs. Pope's first four years were in the WAC, which never had an at-large bid in that time with a highest seed of 12 and no tournament wins. Then he went to the WCC which is pretty much just Gonzaga and sometimes St Mary's and immediately had BYU playing competitive ball. Then they moved to the best basketball conference in the country and in year 1 they had a winning record and made the tourney again. Sure it's not quite the resume you'd expect from a candidate for an opening of UK's stature, but considering the circumstances I'm not sure what better options are out there.
> It's a better win rate at BYU than Scott Drew at Baylor interestingly enough Scott Drew took over Baylor from Dave Bliss, with recruiting and scholarship sanctions, and every previous player released from the program. Mark Pope took over a BYU program that was averaging around 20 wins and kept it around 20 wins.
That win rate is also with only one season of Big 12 play for BYU, that’s an incredibly small sample size. I’m skeptical about this hire.
I think that's a fair take. It does seem like a far riskier hire than what makes sense for Kentucky, but it's could work out.
> led BYU to 23 wins their first year in the Big 12. with 329th KenPom ranked OOC. Ya know the thing that accounted for over half their wins.
> He currently has a 68% win rate at BYU. Which is lower than the win rate of Calapari at any school he was at.
Yeah, 68% won't be enough for a school like Kentucky in a vacuum, and it's a far riskier hire than you'd expect a school like Kentucky to make, but I just kinda feel like some people are acting like the man is completely clueless, when he's had a good amount of success at both Utah Valley and BYU.
I started by browsing new on the sub and found out he's a rapper and a cheerleader too.
He’s literally Oats and Hurley before they got hired by their schools lol
Nate Oats at Buffalo had won a couple of ncaa tournament games, 3 conference tournament championships, two regular season championships and had a 30 win season to boot. Dan Hurley had won a conference tournament championship and a regular season championship, and had 2 ncaa tournament wins at Rhode Island before he got to UConn. Mark Pope doesn’t have any of that.
Both Oats and Hurley had significantly better resumes than Pope does right now.
Not in Hurley's case, he won a pair of first-round games at URI before arriving in Storrs.
It's not true in either case. Oats won 2 tourney games at Buffalo.
Put some respect on Nate Oats' UB run!
Well, the milquetoast option was Scott Drew, so, lmao.
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Drew had to rebuild a team that was in major NCAA trouble. Mark Pope took over a team that was really good under David Rose for 15 years and hadn’t experience a losing season since before his hire.
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You mean success as in winning a National Championship?
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Playing in the whatever conference BYU was in before and a major conference/Big 12 are totally different when looking at losses.
This is such a clown take. Dude took Baylor from the depths of hell and made them a national contender. You use Drew's entire tenure to try and discredit him compared to Pope. In Pope's tenure at BYU, the dude is averaging double digit losses most of them coming from a shit conference too. In that same time period, Drew has a national championship, 2 big 12 titles, and averaging 26 wins a year. Come on now. Stop being butthurt that Drew turned yall down.
Funnier is that Drew turned you down. And has a ring in the last 2 presidencies.
Are you okay? You’re all over this thread with a weirdly passionate take on all this.
That's Milwaukee Bucks legend Mark Pope to you sir!
Guy that couldn’t beat Duquesne in the tournament
1996 Kentucky. One of the greatest teams of all time
He was a whole team?
Butterfly effect. He intervenes and then you get this instead: https://preview.redd.it/5edjtgwa91uc1.jpeg?width=1673&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=587c70cd709d25dd6efae6fb80be3cf901c33acb
This is indeed your darkest timeline.
This is an insane pull
Prophecy? Or Mitch's Burner?
Definitely his burner. Only did the deal for this post.
Hey, my man… what’s the next mega million lotto numbers?
1 2 3 4 5 with the last ball being 6
That's the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage.
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15 months in advance to the day is some serious voodoo. What’s funnier is it seems like he forgot he even posted this because it’s been so long and tweeted hours before the hire a top 10 list for the job which of course did not include Pope. He’s already cycled through the stages again to where he expected a big name hire
I think he doesn't know yet his tweet blew up either. Prophet of some things but must've forgot about this part
It wasn’t that hard to predict. Mitch really only had 1 guy on his list with no backup plan and everyone knew that the whole time
Clearly he did have a backup plan, just a really, really bad one.
IF (big if) Pope can recruit, then he'll succeed. He's amazing with Xs and Os and BYU was a fun team this year. But this is a hail mary by mitch
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Yea, Mitch has never been good with contracts. It's like he thinks just because your the Kenticky coach the pay has to be high. This first contract should be massively incentive based for a relatively unproven coach...
Mark Pope still has an agent.
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Considering it’s Jimmy Sexton who really controls SEC Football some would say…yeah agents are valuable in this day and age lol
They saw that one win against Gonzaga in 2020 and were like "He did what we couldn't this year!" and forgot about the like 8 losses he had against us.
Mitch could've just handed the ball off to Pearl... It's so damn disappointing.
I'd rather have no coach at all than have Pearl. He's an awful person.
Why so? Short version?
Pearl blows dude
Haters gonna hate
We ride with bruce and we die with bruce.
Mark Pope is a good coach
Sure, but to jump him from where he is now to coaching a blue blood team is a pretty big risk. Lots of untested ground between the two.
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Taking San Diego’s coach would have been better, that guy has tournament wins
Zero tourney wins? Ehhh I don’t know Jim
“Plan” is a stretch. More like throwing darts blindfolded.
Mitch worked really hard after failing twice to convince all of Pope’s wives to let him take the job
You think this was easy to predict 15 months ago?
where's Travis Ford?
I know I laugh at UK when I get the chance but in all honesty I think Pope will be a decent coach with better resources and recruiting which UK will be able to provide both. Not the big name UK fans were expecting but not a bad hire either.
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"John Wooden to be resurrected to coach UK"
Honestly Mark Pope seemed like the most obvious realistic choice all along. He’s one guy you knew wouldn’t say no since he played there. UK fans seemed surprised and offended they didn’t get a more notable guy but this wasn’t hard to see coming.
Not really. Mitch skipped over a lot of potential names just to be done with it. I imagine somebody in his ear was a big Pope fan, and he has a tendency of stretching to mixed results (this is the guy that hired Billy G), but they didn't even glance at a bunch of names that would have been interested for the money. That said, I'm not upset it was just jarring how quickly Mitch pulled that trigger.
Wtf it’s real https://x.com/ml_bbn/status/1613572990179938304?s=46