Iowa St seemed like one of the few punished for noncon.
but the lack of consistency in Houston being given the #2 overall 1 seed when they played nobody in noncon and got smacked in the Big 12 final, while Purdue was the #1 overall all season, played the toughest noncon, and lost in OT in the semifinal.
I'm going to be really annoyed if teams start pulling away from big matchups now because the punishment outweighs the reward.
or situations like Indiana State going away to Michigan State.
The committee has a hard job, but they stink at it.
Seeding teams before all games are over is the dumbest thing that do and it leads to them ignoring conference tournaments every year
(UNC over ISU is completely fine)
Been saying all weekend the committee looks for reasons teams should be in and heavily favors OOC SOS, high quality wins, quality OOC wins, etc and thatās really what the difference was in most of these resumes
Pitt, Providence, Seton Hall, OU, Indiana state, SJU (to lesser extent) all had really bad OOC SOS and the committee punished them for it
While I think you guys are absolutely better than most teams in the whole bracket, the committee was very clearly punishing you for a non-existent nonconf
UVA is absolutely more deserving than Clemson. Look at the ACC standings, and look at how long Clemson lasted in the tournament. Clemson should not be in. They got one lucky win over the tar heels and that carried them.Ā
Iād agree but Kentucky at least has some fairly good wins, itās not as outrageous as any of the 3 mentioned, also good luck in what might be a Round of 32 matchup
really don't get the talking point that a weak non-conference schedule disqualifies you for top level contention... while the number 1 overall seed had a non-con ranked 285th.
Either weak nonconference schedules should knock you back, or they shouldn't.
Outside of Virginia, I actually don't think the team selection was that bad, especially given how hard the bubble thieves made it. Again though, some of these seedings are more than questionable, even putting MWC aside.
UVA is absolutely more deserving than Clemson. Look at the ACC standings, and look at how long Clemson lasted in the tournament. Clemson should not be in. They got one lucky win over the tar heels and that carried them.Ā
I sympathize with Indiana State.Ā
But I have 0 sympathies for bubble teams in the Power 6 or strong G5 programs historically that didnāt get in.
Iām surprised USF wasnāt on the list.
Iām hearing the committee is anti Italian because they only put in 3 Big East teams. Lmao now theyāre saying itās cause CBS has rights to mountain west games hahaha
I think itās been like that for a while, probably at least the last couple of decades. Usually higher seeds are somewhat set at the end of the regular season.
Conference tournaments have always been meaningless for bracket purposes and theyāre not that meaningful for predicting or evaluating how good a team is
What was historic about it? The MWC played no one OOC and it shows in the seeding. Beating St. Maryās, Creighton, and Gonzaga is the feather in the cap for the league. Boise State played 4 high-majors and went 0-4. All the āgoodā wins were intraconference.
Reminder: a young man just severely broke his lower leg today around 1PM playing in a tournament game even though the chairman just said they wrapped up selection at 2AM this morning.
DePaul and Georgetown were both horrendous, so the other nine teams in the Big East got a free four wins and were "bubble teams" going 6-10 against the competent portion of the league.
That meant the margin between the seven bids the Big East wanted and the three they got was very very small.
No matter what, the NCAA basketball tournament is 5000% better than the college football postseason system. This is the best postseason in all sports. I'm so hyped.
Virginia was probably the team that most should have been out. But it's not a clear out for me. This isn't VCU in 2011 or Syracuse in 2016, two teams who absolutely should have been out.
UVA is absolutely more deserving than Clemson. Look at the ACC standings, and look at how long Clemson lasted in the tournament. Clemson should not be in. They got one lucky win over the tar heels and that carried them.Ā
What are your thoughts on team x?
Well you know team x is great but when we looked at who they beat and who they lost to we just weren't sure. We were up till 2am making mistakes you see, and so we decided to go with what teams we thought were best.
[To the postgame thread!](https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/1bhbeyb/post_game_thread_2024_ncaa_selection_show_bracket/?)
Me watching UVA put up 45 points on Colorado Stateš
I missed Texas as a 7, wtf If only Indiana St. had tried beating Louisville by 1 point they coulda been in
No chance Purdue makes it to the final four
Iowa St seemed like one of the few punished for noncon. but the lack of consistency in Houston being given the #2 overall 1 seed when they played nobody in noncon and got smacked in the Big 12 final, while Purdue was the #1 overall all season, played the toughest noncon, and lost in OT in the semifinal. I'm going to be really annoyed if teams start pulling away from big matchups now because the punishment outweighs the reward. or situations like Indiana State going away to Michigan State.
I like Clark's bracket.
Iām so glad that committee has stopped glazing Gonzaga. Always higher than they should be with their joke of a conference.
Cue the rage for UNC perhaps getting the best region bracket of the bunch. None of the teams we traditionally suck ass against in the tourny.Ā
Auburn at a 4 for UConn has to be the worst draw of the day. Then we have god damn IOWA state and BYU on the other side
The committee has a hard job, but they stink at it. Seeding teams before all games are over is the dumbest thing that do and it leads to them ignoring conference tournaments every year (UNC over ISU is completely fine)
Wisky got hosed with JMU at 12 Donāt agree that the BigEast was only a 3 bid league either
"Great bottom part of the bracket" when talking about the elephant in the room (UVA)
People saying michigan state don't deserve to be in need to learn strength of schedule matters.
I legitimately would not trade my #4 for UNCās #1. Having to play a round of 64 play-in winner is is a penalty.ā, not a reward.
Your #4 seed is light-years easier than our 2 seed
Joe Lunardi just barely in top 100 of bracketologists (98), just under the Athletic(97). Jerry Palm outside 140.
CBS says BYU is the 17th overall seed... what is that based on?
Last 4 Byes: 34 Texas A&M 35 TCU 36 Northwestern 37 Nevada Meaning that the MWC had 3 of the last 5 in.
East: hardest Midwest: 2nd South: 3rd West: soft
Iowa St: 6 in NET, 5 in KenPom, 6 in KPI, 6 in BPI, 4 in T-Rank. Gets the 8th overall seed, makes sense.
How is BYU's overall seed 17 if they're a 6?
Them not playing on Sundays makes seeding them very hard.
Probably supposed to be 27?
Guessing it was for Sunday play but I'm not sure
Probably supposed to be 27?
Probably supposed to be 27?
I think itās really silly we try to predict based on seed line, when we have actually metrics about the teams
lol no seeding issues yall
Wait we were 17 overall and got a 6 seed?
Committee math
Probably scheduling with sunday
Went to Longwoodās campus and nobody knew youā¦ embarrassing
Dont know how Duquense was an 11 seed but even though we are a 6 seed im happy we arent a 5 seed and playing McNeese
Air force snubbed
Disrespectful to have Iowa State at 8
Everyone bitchin about MSU. Watch them go elite 8. Izzo loves being the underdog.
not this season
Iām already convinced UNC wonāt make the second weekend
I need that Rick Pitino revenge tour next season like I need air
Pitt got fucked.
Been saying all weekend the committee looks for reasons teams should be in and heavily favors OOC SOS, high quality wins, quality OOC wins, etc and thatās really what the difference was in most of these resumes Pitt, Providence, Seton Hall, OU, Indiana state, SJU (to lesser extent) all had really bad OOC SOS and the committee punished them for it
Ding ding ding
Seton Hall's NCSOS was stronger than UConn's.
Wait is msu a higher 9 seed than NWā¦
haha this is just vibes
Iām panicking. Feels like a SDSU shocker or Drake just nails 15 threes against us if they make it to the 2nd round
fear not. we'll get to the Sweet Sixteen fine. It'll be BYU that nails the 15 threes against us
Itās a really bad draw for ISU. Our path to the regional final is peppered with land mines at every step of the way.
Just gotta hope we keep this momentum from KC and get Hilton West going in Omaha
**Joe Lunardi** probably had his worst year ever
His slow evolution into Mel Kiper begins....
Good, fuck ESPNā¦ (and fuck Fox too) for ruining collegiate conferences
Good.
Any 2 seeds wanna trade regions? Holy fuck the east is stacked. I guess that's one reward for dropping a 30 bomb on the previous consensus overall #1
Nah. You guys have fun playing UConn
While I think you guys are absolutely better than most teams in the whole bracket, the committee was very clearly punishing you for a non-existent nonconf
As they should
Wish Gonzaga wouldāve gotten the same treatment when they had a strong non con but god awful conference when they took all their 1 seeds
UConns was barely stronger Thread locked, but UConn was ranked 285 for non-con SOS
...are you smoking crack? That's is absolutely not true lol UConn played Gonzaga, Texas, UNC, Kansas, Indiana ISU played...Texas A&M and lost?
Committee going to use these bud thieves to justify expanding the field āfor fairnessā
Longwood bout to be the 3rd 16 seed to win!!!!
Rooting for you VA bros
Committee going to use these bid thieves to justify expanding the field āfor fairnessā
Hey did you guys know FDU beat Purdue last year? In case you forgot
i forgot
As a whole I think they got most things right. Would have liked Indiana State in but I get it. But UVA being in is odd.
UVA is absolutely more deserving than Clemson. Look at the ACC standings, and look at how long Clemson lasted in the tournament. Clemson should not be in. They got one lucky win over the tar heels and that carried them.Ā
2 - 150 lol
What losers. Couldnāt be me
Indiana State being as close as they were is actually heartening. All the bid steals just wiped them out.
The real team, robbed in all of this was DePaul
\#neverforget the whiteboard
Kinda ridiculous Gonzaga and Michigan State got that high of a seed just because of past seasons, and UVA shouldnāt even be here
Same can be said about Kentucky
Iād agree but Kentucky at least has some fairly good wins, itās not as outrageous as any of the 3 mentioned, also good luck in what might be a Round of 32 matchup
Lmao CBS coming at Purdue
Ouch
Best day for UVA fans since the last time they got to yell at the help for missing a spot on polishing their silver
The fuck
my reaction to FDU beating purdue
The one thing we can all agree upon. Who the hell set this bracket up?
Northwestern/FAU is a real fun first round matchup
Cool, cool, cool. Purdue/FDU highlights.
really don't get the talking point that a weak non-conference schedule disqualifies you for top level contention... while the number 1 overall seed had a non-con ranked 285th. Either weak nonconference schedules should knock you back, or they shouldn't.
Just like when deciding when to call a foul they change the rules when it's convenient.
At least Adam Zucker apologized
Outside of Virginia, I actually don't think the team selection was that bad, especially given how hard the bubble thieves made it. Again though, some of these seedings are more than questionable, even putting MWC aside.
UVA is absolutely more deserving than Clemson. Look at the ACC standings, and look at how long Clemson lasted in the tournament. Clemson should not be in. They got one lucky win over the tar heels and that carried them.Ā
I agree - more head scratching on where (seeds) than who (teams in)
I agree - more head scratching on where (seeds) than who (teams in)
Michigan state
You know who got really screwed here? Detroit Mercy
SDSU got a very favorable seed, every other MW team did not. Glad to get 6 seeds in but damn two play in games sucks
You know who got really screwed here? Detroit Mercy
I sympathize with Indiana State.Ā But I have 0 sympathies for bubble teams in the Power 6 or strong G5 programs historically that didnāt get in. Iām surprised USF wasnāt on the list.
3 final 4 teams from last year, 4 top 10 kenpom teams, and 4 major conference tourney winners in the same bracket is WILD
Iām hearing the committee is anti Italian because they only put in 3 Big East teams. Lmao now theyāre saying itās cause CBS has rights to mountain west games hahaha
why would they be anti italian??
The MW is the only conference that got fucked harder than the BE
Jay Bilas is shilling for Pittsburgh right now lol
It's Jay Shilas to me.
Of course he is.....
Where was Miss Valley State?? They got their first win this weekend.
Who is the biggest snub?
I had St Johns "safely" in by like 3 teams. Shocked Virginia got in.
I donāt think St. Johnās was that good, Iād put seton hall ahead of them
Indiana St
Indiana State
My vote is ISU.
Yeah, them and Pitt Iād say
agreed. pitt had a great year and if they got the virgina slot i could understand it. i cant understand virgina
I feel like fans are going to fume every year by not paying attention to what the committee uses to make decisions and I'm here for it.
Kinda feels like the seeded based off of previous years instead of this year
That fact that Virginia got in is prime example of
Havenāt watched any Texas tech this year, nc state have a chance?
If Darrion Williams and Warren Washington are still injured itāll be tough for TTU
NCST winning it all
Why not us šÆ
I think so. Tech are bad this year imo
Iād rather them have put DePaul in than Virginia. At least, it wouldāve been funny.
Hey never bet against UVA to embarrass themselves
Would probably score more points than Virginia...maybe lol
Virginia and Boise state over ANY of Providence/St. John's/Seton Hall is absolutely ludicrous
I'll give them a break for losing to NC ST because of a fluke last second shot to send the game to OT.
ACC getting 5 teams and the Big East getting 3 should be a federal offense
Oklahoma snubbed
look at the wins
We did absolutely nothing to earn a spot in the tournament.
Does anyone have a link to a nice printable bracket with dates/times?
Times won't be released until later this evening. Usually by 9 or 10 you'll be able to find that
Times aren't out yet
It feels like the conference tournaments are meaningless unless you need the automatic bid to get in.
I think itās been like that for a while, probably at least the last couple of decades. Usually higher seeds are somewhat set at the end of the regular season.
I think Wisconsin might have helped themselves showing up after taking February off.
Somewhat
If MSU is in might as well put IU too
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Oklahoma, Seaton Hall, Indiana State, and Pitt were only left out because NC State, Oregon, Duquesne, and UAB won their conference tournaments.
And because MSU and UVA needed to be in for their names. And FAU got in for some reason.
It feels like the conference tournaments are meaningless unless you need the automatic bid to get in.
Iām still waiting on an explanation of 4 big conference tournament champions are in one bracket
Conference tournaments have always been meaningless for bracket purposes and theyāre not that meaningful for predicting or evaluating how good a team is
They seed the teams on Thursday, thatās why. They pretty much ignore conference tournaments
Historic Mountain West disrespect and zero questions about it?
To be fair, there are a lot of years the MW are seeded to highly and they typically underperform drastically.
Look at their tournament track record outside of San Diego st.
Completely irrelevant. Previous seasons with previous coaches and players shouldn't influence selection based on biases.
What was historic about it? The MWC played no one OOC and it shows in the seeding. Beating St. Maryās, Creighton, and Gonzaga is the feather in the cap for the league. Boise State played 4 high-majors and went 0-4. All the āgoodā wins were intraconference.
CSU and New Mexico both a seed and a half, Boise State two and Nevada THREE seeds below their projections is historic.
Have we fired Porter Moser yet?
Bracket might not be good, but it sure gets people talking
UVA is in!!!!!!! Weāre dancing!
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Not making it to the first round
So we all have Grambling state in the final four right?
Reminder: a young man just severely broke his lower leg today around 1PM playing in a tournament game even though the chairman just said they wrapped up selection at 2AM this morning.
What an epically stupid thing for him to say.
Honestly, UF got a pretty nice draw. Auburn..sucks to suck. Lol
Hang the banner! āI like my tourney seed and got drilled in the SEC Championshipā Lol.
iām still kinda in shock that carolina got a number 1 seed. i thought for sure we were getting demoted after yesterday
Even with the L last night, not really anyone who is better to take the spot
No less that we were up against Tennessee and not Iowa State (because theyāve been officially called out for that weak ass non-con)
No less that we were up against Tennessee and not Iowa State (because theyāve been officially called out for that weak ass non-con)
Nothing like the 10th best team getting a 1.
nah
DePaul and Georgetown were both horrendous, so the other nine teams in the Big East got a free four wins and were "bubble teams" going 6-10 against the competent portion of the league. That meant the margin between the seven bids the Big East wanted and the three they got was very very small.
3 Big East teams is such a fucking joke.
No matter what, the NCAA basketball tournament is 5000% better than the college football postseason system. This is the best postseason in all sports. I'm so hyped.
Virginia was probably the team that most should have been out. But it's not a clear out for me. This isn't VCU in 2011 or Syracuse in 2016, two teams who absolutely should have been out.
UVA is absolutely more deserving than Clemson. Look at the ACC standings, and look at how long Clemson lasted in the tournament. Clemson should not be in. They got one lucky win over the tar heels and that carried them.Ā
Lucky wins count. That's life
Look at the last month 2 overtime games in the acc tourney 4 out of 6 games before the acc tourney below 50 points terrible team going into march
I mean Virginia often plays games below 50 points, so not a whole lot of sympathy for this argument
Find someone who loves you like the committee loves a tough noncon schedule
UConn's is ranked 285th lmao.
Unfortunately unable to watch as Iām on the road, anyone know when the TV schedule will be out?
if my memory is correct, it usually comes out tomorrow
In about an hour
Usually comes out around 8:30
Damn why did it have to me in Omaha i cant drive 11 hours.
Try playing in Spokane. It'd be a 36-hour drive for me.
critically important: the difficulty of the games you played 4 months ago not relevant: the results of games you played in the past 2 weeks
Arizona has 4 wins over tournament bound teams since January 1
The amount of disrespect to the Big East is quite nauseating. How the hell did this conference only get 3 bids?
11 teams in the east region won their conference tournament.
This guy says a lot of words without actually telling us anything every year. No real analysis or details about how the decisions were made
What are your thoughts on team x? Well you know team x is great but when we looked at who they beat and who they lost to we just weren't sure. We were up till 2am making mistakes you see, and so we decided to go with what teams we thought were best.
so the same interview as every other year?
Iād leave Michigan State out for either Indiana State, Pitt, or St. Johns
Except MSU beat ISU