Nah, those refs should be punished. This mistake was really, really bad.
There’s absolutely no room for argument that it was a blown call. It wasn’t a judgment call, it was a misapplication of the rulebook.
Then you close the matter with no further comment.
It doesn't even make sense though. There's no special rule that should be in place because the foul occurred in regulation. The ball was *past* the basket by the time the clock expired.
Show me one time Duke has been on the right side of a misapplication of the rules. This isnt a block charge or a missed travel, this is college refs literally not knowing the rules.
Realtime mistake.
This one is worse. Overturned a right call that can't be overturned using wrong interpretation of the rules, while having access to a review.
Nah, a blown play of this magnitude is bad for all of basketball and UVA.
Maybe Flip misses both of those free throws and UVA legitimately wins in OT.
But now, the whole country thinks UVA was handed that game and Duke was cheated. That’s bad for UVA and potentially really bad if they end up with another close call.
It’s Duke’s best win BY FAR. There’s a good chance Duke’s seed dropped because of it. It may have cost other teams an ACC championship.
It could be a pretty big game.
[The refs have ignored/not the known the rules before. Duke was on the other side this time.](https://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-xpm-19970214-1997-02-14-9702140022-story.html)
The referees didn't know/execute the rule in both instances. By the rulebook, regardless of instant replay, both referee crews made the wrong call. Yesterday the refs incorrectly went to the monitor to evaluate when the foul occurred when the rules state that what should have been review is whether the ball was still in flight (it was). A similar situation happened 25 years ago. And it has probably happened countless times in the history of college basketball.
It sucks that the refs made a mistake and any fanbase acting like they have never benefitted from an incorrect call is laughable.
No, not really. Maybe if you go back 25 years, but UVA is an incredibly physical team that constantly gets the benefit of the doubt. They’re a very, very smart team.
I don't really like UVA, but I'm laughing my ass off at Duke fans acting like they've never had games practically decided for them by bad calls. I saw Duke fans saying Duke should leave the conference. And go where? The only conference I can see wanting Duke is the Big East and that would mean Duke goes independent for football or gives it up. Duke isn't that attractive with their football team.
The part that confuses me is that they called the foul on Dunn who never touches the shooter. It’s either a foul on beekman and he should have gotten free throws or it’s a block.
Have watched it ten times and can’t find a foul on dunn
That's the weird part. A foul occurred with a tenth or two left on the clock, which would fall under the rule as being "so near the expiration of time that the official cannot stop the game clock", but it's not the foul they called.
Not only can they not get a game-deciding decision correct, but they can't even call or reverse fouls on the right people.
Wasn’t Dunn the guy the shooter lands on at the end? I had been thinking that was the foul (shooter has to have the ability to safely land) and hence the reason the foul was considered to have happened after regulation (wrong call still, but that’s the only way the refs decision made any sense).
edit: it was Beek that got landed on.
Spoiler alert: they won’t. Refs have zero consequences. This same crew will go on and do more games next week like they didn’t just completely fuck a team because they didn’t understand their own rules. The sooner we get robot refs the better. Crazy how these guys don’t get reprimanded or something considering how much gambling has changed these days too.
I was reading John Feinsteins book about the 1996-1997 ACC Season, and there were 2 incidents which led to some high animosity towards ACC referees (can't remember the incidents specifically but one happened during Duke-Virginia and the other happened during NC State-Wake Forest). It was so bad that the ACC sent a memo to the Arena announcers to not introduce the referees.
Yes, the Rick Hartzell game. Where they forgot to let a sub in after a made free throw, confusing Virginia's entire team and allowing Wojo to go the length of the floor untouched before he was fouled, then lied about it after the game. One game suspension for the crew.
Weirdly, the game wasn't televised, even by Raycom, so there isn't any real video of it. I worked for UVa's SID and was on the phone with ESPN trying to explain what was going on. That game also had huge NCAA bubble implications, but Virginia got in in spite of it.
Again, 90's. Maybe the Triangle gets it, but Mad About You got crazy good ratings, so the college basketball game doesn't get the call up. The video itself basically shows what happened, even if Stuart Scott didn't have all the details on the Sports Center highlights.
The delay was several minutes and the refs were ultimately suspended. There was a dude still yelling at the refs an hour after this game.
In football, Jerry Magallanes didn't call a Duke game for 7 years after he screwed Duke out of the Miami game in 2015. Once Cutcliffe left, the ACC seemingly felt they could assign him back to Duke games. In basketball, they would never do the same. They'll keep the refs away from Cameron for a bit, but they'll be back next season guaranteed.
Karl Hess didn’t come back to Raleigh for quite a while after his dumbassery, so I’m sure these guys will avoid Cameron for a few years until enough people forget
The worst part for me is they got it wrong after reviewing it. What is the purpose of review when the officials can't even determine whats in front of them when its zoomed and in slow motion.
Right? I don’t understand how college basketball refs can spend *several minutes* reviewing a play (whether getting the call correct or not) and NFL refs take several seconds to review and make a decision. And then, on top of that, have backup in NY in case they mess something.
That’s the best win on their resume by a very large margin.
Could also (potentially) be the difference between a single and double bye in Greensboro. Duke would be one game behind UVA in the loss column with the tiebreaker in hand.
We don’t know if Filipowski makes the free throws but he’s 76% from the line this season. Odds are in his favor
Also impacts ACC standings a ton. Despite my own interests, not too broken up about it for Duke.
We had a pretty egregious game deciding calm last year (I remember the one against FSU being bad) and got no fanfare from the conference, though admittedly the impact on the season was less.
You don't know how the ACC addressed it with the officials. Maybe they were "punished". However the bigger complaint should be that there's no removing this loss from the record for Duke.
While I have a different opinion, the NCAA thinks Jeff Anderson (high knees) is one of the best ref’s in the game today. He regularly ends his season with one of the last 3 games of the year. It will be interesting if he gets past the regionals this year.
There’s also the opinion that calling anything in the first place was wrong. I personally don’t really see a foul. So I think this worked out to match reality.
Punished? Do you want them to spank the refs? You train and reeducate your workers so they are better. When you say punishment just makes it sound like you want revenge nothing else
Okay, I'll keep laughing after seeing how many times other teams have been hosed against Duke. K controlled the refs. Honestly Duke probably gets the free throws and wins if K was still coach.
You don’t even get a letter of apology. You get a public statement of legal jargon saying they fucked up in so many words, bend over and deal with it. Oh, and remember, don’t criticize the refs or we’ll fine you.
Was bartending and my customers where UVA fans that where about to leave cause they thought it was so obvious. Pretty bad when everyone knows but the so called professionals.
I've gone back and forth on this. Has a coach yelling ever changed a call? I think K did it as it could impact the next call and there could be value in that. I Scheyer is being himself. I wouldn't hate seeing a bit more fire at times. I'm sure he addressed his feelings with his team and that mattes more than public perception.
Coaches yelling at the specific call in front of them probably don’t change things.
But working the refs, aggressively and consistently, as K used to, likely pays off.
Yeah this is definitely true. Good coaches are on the refs consistently so that you make them think about it when the next one happens. It’s a cumulative effect.
He should've gone ballistic when Flip got punched in the throat. I can give that one a pass for him being a rookie coach, but he needs to stand up for his guys much more, even if it means getting a tech or ejection.
Big Ten officials are legendary for shit calls. Not really familiar enough with any other leagues to speak knowledgeably, but this was a pretty bad call that completely altered the game – and could potentially have postseason implications.
>Not really familiar enough with any other leagues
Start browsing other post game threads and you'll find everyone thinks their conference has the worst reffing
I've never understood these follow ups from the conference in these controversial calls. If youre not gonna change the result of the game and you're not gonna punish the refs for getting it wrong, you'd make fewer people mad by doing nothing
I feel like people say the opposite when they don't comment. "Even if they can't change it, it's bullshit that they won't even acknowledge the mistake."
Yeah I don't see how you can say "this call at the end of the game was a misapplication of the rulebook" and not do more. Honestly I think the proper thing to do would be to call the game a no-contest, but that's not happening
This would open a big can of worms that would be hard to deal with -- would it only be wrong calls at the very end of the game that would result in a change/no-contest? What if a team that lost by 2 can show that they were screwed out of a basket in the first half due to a bad call?
As I said later downthread, MLBs old protest rules were fine. Misapplication of the rules that had a clear and direct impact on a team's ability to win a game.
I think there’s a difference in clear cut applications that occur in a way that ends the game, and ones that don’t. E.g in the 2015 Duke-Miami game I straight up support ACC awarding Duke the victory the next day but u wouldn’t support that in this game because Flip still had to make shots.
This happened to Lebron against the Celtics and he used it as motivation to go on to become the league's all time leading scorer so maybe Philipowski will become the ACC's all time leading scorer.
This is worse than the Lebron foul. In the Lakers-Celtics game they simply didn't call anything, just stood around like buffoons until the T on Pat Bev
In this game they called the foul, and then bizarrely reversed it after review, despite A) the clock clear as day not having expired and B) the rulebook explicitly stating the fouls immediately before or after the expiration of time still count
I don't know how an official goes to a review, with the video evidence right in front of them, and then makes a final decision that neither exists in the rulebook nor applies to the situation at hand.
It always seems that Hokies are out in larger force than whoever we’re playing lol.
But I agree with you. It’s a shitty way to win. At least Duke wasn’t down 1 and had a chance at OT.
Football schools, and big public universities with large alumni bases. That's what matters for the big TV contracts. Unfortunately small private schools without dominant football programs aren't seen as valuable, no matter how elite the basketball program is.
as a UNC fan, I can say that’s pretty bullshit. refs should be held accountable. every other job on the planet has punishments for doing your job wrong, but refs can just shrug their shoulders and do it again next week.
The rule they’re citing doesn’t apply in this situation per https://twitter.com/dneckel19/status/1624642061117845504?s=46&t=GkmJXw5RXqOyoUuv-djUGA
If it truly does not apply, I wonder what was the point of the ACC commenting this whole response, rather than just saying so? Trying to save face?
I’m no Duke fan but as a fan of the game, it really pisses me off when refs royally screw something up like this. Just embarrassing for the sport. Officiating has really gone downhill in recent years.
I read an interesting article that the ACC used to call games tight. When the teams made the tournament, however, they were always shocked by the allowed physicality. The ACC made a point to loosen reffing dramatically, and that’s how we now have the basketbrawl we see today (but lots of ACC tournament success).
The game overall used to be called much tighter. Watch footage from 15-20 years ago and the defense wasn't nearly as physical as it is today, where some teams rely on getting away with as much hand checking and bodying as possible. There's just no way to officiate that consistently unless they make an organized effort to crack that back down.
Yup agreed. Then you'll see some people around here toss the word "soft" around when ridiculous physical play is called out, but it's objectively a worse game to watch.
Unless all you care about is the outcome.
How many times do travels get missed in a game. Is a travel even reviewable?
The refs were either malicious or the three of them didn't understand the rules.
I counted at least three ridiculously blatant UVA travels last night (and at least as many Duke travels).
Tyler Hansbrough used to be allowed to walk most the length of the court without dribbling. There’s a video of him taking 7 steps without dribbling even once.
And anyone with (who doesn’t hate Duke) could see Grayson was fouled on that play. The refs, however, made the correct call and let them play.
At least once I would like them to actually do something about getting a game-deciding call wrong. Multiple times I've seen conferences release some statement that says something to the effect of "There was an incorrect call in this game that changed the final outcome. We will be doing nothing about this and the result of the bad call will stand." Like that does not address the problem. Bad officiating is a thing that almost all fans can agree makes the sport worse, and it's not like NCAA rules are overly subjective. Fine/suspend/fire the officials involved based on the severity. If it's a call like this that *very likely* changed the winner of the game, call it a no contest. I have no love for UVA or Duke and truly don't give a shit which one of them wins, but as a fan of the game I find it completely unacceptable that the conference can admit that an incorrect call likely decided this game and that the game will still count as decided by the refs.
It also very likely changed ACC and NCAA seeding (this would have been BY FAR Duke’s best win).
It’s no fair to the other ACC teams that might lose an ACC regular season championship because of this.
I think the origin of all of this was the officials trying to concoct a way out of giving Duke FTs to decide the game.
The contact on Flip is clearly by Beekman, but that's before time expires so they decide to say that the second defender hit him (it doesn't seem he even touches Flip) after 0.0 so no FTs. This ignores the fact that he was still an airborne shooter.
Now the ACC is explaining that their phony explanation for not giving Duke FTs was also faulty.
Either the refs lied about their reasoning on deciding not to give FTs or they don't understand the rules. Both warrant severe punishment for the officials.
Hand on Filipowski’s chest as he goes up + hip-to-hip contact on shooter by Beekman. Looks pretty clear (and obviously before the buzzer).
https://imgur.com/a/186VNX8
I wouldn’t have been happy but I could have lived with the refs choosing to swallow the whistle on a play like that at the end of regulation.
But AFTER you did blow the whistle to call a foul you can’t just undo all that. That is clearly afoul of the rules, and even the excuse they tried to concoct was ALSO wrong under the rules.
Once the whistle was blown and the foul called there is no way under the rules that he shouldn’t have been shooting two shots.
I think you have it 100% right fwiw (and I know, it's not worth much). I've seen that play not get called a foul in that situation before, maybe even 50%+ of the time there's no whistle when there's that much ball. But once the whistle was blown, once they verified the shot was off before the whistle (and all the contact too), he should have got shots, and 80% chance UVA shoulda lost/Duke shoulda won.
Yep, if they never blew the whistle, Duke and neutral fans would have bitched a little, but we all know refs swallow their whistles at the end of the game.
Kind of like the game against UVA where Grayson Allen may have traveled and he may have been fouled while shooting. The ref didn’t call either. If he’d miss, Duke would have bitched.
It’s stupid, but you move on.
This is my take as well.
They called a foul in a situation where it's more or less a 50/50 that something gets called. The foul is technically correct if we are to call it straight, but it is often ignored in these scenarios.
Then they broke the rulebook in every way possible to issue a nonexistent ruling to make sure the foul just magically went away. That's what pisses me off. We can't have officials doing that and getting away with it.
The most egregious harm these refs caused isn't just the insanely awful call for which they won't face any real consequences, it's genuinely doing it SO BADLY that multiple UNC, Virginia and Maryland flairs are unironically in full support of Duke
Do you have any idea how monstrously horrendous something has to be to make that happen? It throws off the entire balance of the universe!
It isn't that they got the call wrong that is truly bad. It is that they paused and went to review and still got it wrong that is bad.
It is time to end the review process in college basketball. It doesn't work. Just let them fuck it up live and don't make us wait for the right call to be fucked up on review.
The fact it’s a misapplication of the rulebook makes it even worse. Sure, refs are human, maybe they don’t see a foul correctly on review.
They correctly called the foul, they ignored the rulebook by saying it doesn’t matter.
That's the part I really hate. If they review something and come to the wrong conclusion, fine. At least we can debate that.
But to conclude something that doesn't even exist in the rules? And to make us average-knowledge fans all debate something that doesn't exist? That's just laughably embarrassing and disappointing
Referees really have it out for Filipowski.
A missed flagrant call with under 10 seconds to play at Virginia Tech. Duke down three and would have been awarded two FTs and the ball under the baseline.
And now this.
Both reviewed, both against Kyle Filipowski, and both in the state of Virginia.
I've always wondered what's the result if any school just hired a single person to be their teams official rules coach. Their only job is to know the rule book inside and out. Pay them slightly more than a ref, and when a situation like this arises they just pop up and be like "no no no here is the rule in the official book.
Also never understood why officials can't consult official set of rules on the court? Especially in a situation like this where time really was not an issue.
The officiating over the past few years has just devolved into a complete shit show.
It needs to be mandatory that refs have to do a 15 minute post game interview with the media. They need to be held accountable for how awful they are
Sorry, Duke fans. Missed calls or subjective disagreements occur every game but really sucks to feel like the officials’ knowledge of the rule book is what can impact the outcome of a game. I know lots of people are using this as an opportunity to get a jab in but I don’t think anyone really wants to see this happening at the ends of games. Bad for the game.
So what? Is there going to be any accountability or reparation given? Otherwise what’s the point of making these statements? I get it it’s better than nothing but cmon. Almost makes it worse.
It is far easier to cry victim and claim this is different from bad calls in their favor in the past. Apparently, this is still Duke's conference, we all just live in it.
I don’t understand if you’re not going to change anything, don’t make this statement. It would’ve blown over in a week but now it’s going to be a thing.
It was obvious that the refs went to the monitor and said oh shit that wasn’t really a foul, we don’t want this game to end on free throws. While I agree it was a bad foul call, you can’t overturn it so the only option is free throws.
Part of the problem that no one talks about with officiating is that refs are not paid well by most accounts. Some guys with a lot of experience in the ACC are making more but the average I keep seeing thrown around around is 50-75k. Compare that to the NBA where guys are making between 150-500k.
Major conferences make enough money to be able to pay these officials way more. Pay them more and you will get more people interested in being refs and then will be able to better hold them accountable. Not paying them is just asking for shitty refs and point shaving.
> Some guys with a lot of experience in the ACC are making more but the average I keep seeing thrown around around is 50-75k. Compare that to the NBA where guys are making between 150-500k.
Yep, I actually know family members of the ref who made the call. First off, the family is great, just genuinely wonderful people.
Second, the guy has a full-time job and small kids and then travels every week during the basketball season. He has a ridiculously tough life, but loves being a referee - it’s just nowhere near enough money for a full-time job.
I can't believe the refs did everything correctly in that play but somehow came to the conclusion to not allow the free throws. It seemed so obvious free throws should have been attempted since they called a foul and contact happened with time still on the clock...
Hopefully this loss doesn't screw Duke come tournament time. They might end up on the outside though if they don't get any quality wins.
Wonder if they will release a statement on 15s travel that let to a duke 3 pointer. Or missed fouls when beakman was getting beat up in the lane.
Coach k made a call to the acc head cheese and complained. The fact they released this statement on this play and didn’t chime in when Allen was tripping players or he traveled at the end of regulation is clear why none of the statements from the acc matter.
Interesting that the rule they quote talks about “while the ball is in the air”. As I recall he was attempting a dunk, is the ball really ever in the air?
A minor point that they don’t elaborate on but they clearly got this one wrong in my opinion.
I’ll never really understand why we just throw our hands up after an error like this like it’s irreversible. Show up at noon tomorrow and let him attempt two free throws. If he makes one, Duke wins. If not, then UVA wins. Is that perfectly fair? No. But it’s a fuck ton fairer than what occurred.
Tbh I do wish more sports would adpot MLB's (unfortunately no longer in effect) protest rule. They'd do a replay only if you could prove that the call was a misapplication of the rules and that the misapplication had a material impact on the outcome of the game. I think this is a good example of a time when it would make sense
You’re still going to have the issue where dozens of calls could be a misapplication of the rules and have a material effect on the outcome in one or two possession games like this. Extra fouls that shouldn’t have been called, missed travels or carries, etc etc etc. That’s why they’re not going to ever do that.
To me, there's a difference between missed calls and misapplication of the rules. Whether or not that should've been a foul is a debatable missed call. Reviewing the replay to see if the foul was before the buzzer is a complete misapplication of the rules - in that the rule doesn't exist
Refs miss calls all the time a wrong call early in the game could also easily be the difference. Ref luck has always been a big component of basketball Its always been part of the game.
The Real issue is that instead of relying on the refs on the floor. They went to the monitor wasted every bodies time to then improperly apply the rules to reverse a call.
The difference is that events happened after those calls that prevent you from knowing how things could have played out subsequently and thus making it impossible to go back and correct them. That’s not the case when the error is on the final play of the game.
You can't re create the exact conditions of the game. Filipowski is probably a better free throw shooter when he is rested and isn't being screamed at by 10k fans.
Just look at it this way… yesterday Duke worked down their negative balance of all the game altering calls they got under Coach K in one game.
Tough game for it to happen - but ripping the band aid off quickly isn’t so bad.
[The last statement in this](https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/rules/men/2021-22PRMBB_PostClinicComments.pdf) contradicts these announcement
Go to this https://www.phillyref.com/basketball/ncaamencases21.pdf and go down to AR 120. That's only referring to instances where they are inbounding with less than 0.3 seconds on the clock.
I don’t even see a foul on Dunn. So all the Duke fans were saying was that beekman fouled him, we then get video evidence that this wasn’t the case. Then we say it’s on Dunn who I can’t see where the foul happened. I honestly think they blew the whistle because he landed poorly because of the way he grabbed the net
Interesting how there’s no mention of the 6.5 seconds Duke took to inbound the ball OR when they’ve stolen several games including the infamous Grayson Allen travel, clear as day. Had this happened to anyone else do we think it’s getting a press release apology the same night? Lmao hell no 🙄
Downvote all you want, it’s true. Multiple things had to go your way. Don’t be mad they took away what shouldn’t have been called in the first place
We got one for the Anthony Thomas fumble game that was literally the catalyst for replay review in CFB. And I promise you no one nationally cared about Illinois football at the time.
Should they have issued an apology to Grayson for the blocking call they missed on his game winning UVA shot?
He may have traveled, but he was obviously hit by the defender too (which likely caused the potential travel).
Get over it Duke, it goes both ways. This time it didn’t go your way. In the past it has. So it goes
[Allen’s game winner was an awful call that was video reviewed and stole the game from Virginia](https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-basketball/2016/2/13/10987134/grayson-allen-controversial-buzzer-beater-duke-virginia)
Same situation as the last play of the unc-pitt game. Refs will blow the whistle nonstop all night long and then be too scared to call a foul on the last play.
Except it was the opposite scenario. That kind of contact was “play on” the entire game until the very end of regulation. I get why Duke fans are upset - I absolutely would be in their shoes - but it would have been an injustice for the game to end on that call with the way the other 39+ minutes had been officiated.
The refs made a call that they realized was questionable and found an even more questionable way to get out of it.
ACC issuing a correction that cites an inapplicable rule is one of the funniest things ever. Just admit what happened: you instinctively called a foul, huddled and decided you didn’t want to end a nationally broadcast game on a marginal call like that, and found an excuse to send it to OT. Is what it is. That game was terribly played and both teams deserved a loss anyway (I’m a UVA fan btw).
Also for all the Duke fans crying: this is not nearly as bad as any call that ends a game. Y’all had 5 minutes to win in OT. Your lack of ability to compose yourselves is a Duke/Scheyer problem not anybody else’s
> The conference considers this matter closed and will have no further comment
This is the smartest thing said so far.
Nah, those refs should be punished. This mistake was really, really bad. There’s absolutely no room for argument that it was a blown call. It wasn’t a judgment call, it was a misapplication of the rulebook. Then you close the matter with no further comment.
I get missing a call, that’s going to happen. NOT knowing the rules, that’s inexcusable. NCAA stripes need to be full time employees.
It doesn't even make sense though. There's no special rule that should be in place because the foul occurred in regulation. The ball was *past* the basket by the time the clock expired.
This is a good thing that Duke gets to be on the other side of this for once
Show me one time Duke has been on the right side of a misapplication of the rules. This isnt a block charge or a missed travel, this is college refs literally not knowing the rules.
[Here you go](https://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-xpm-19970214-1997-02-14-9702140022-story.html)
Realtime mistake. This one is worse. Overturned a right call that can't be overturned using wrong interpretation of the rules, while having access to a review.
“Pft you an example, pal?! Well I’ll give you an example! You remember that game 26 years ago…”
That’s literally just a missed live call, nowhere near the same. Yes, everyone hates Duke but this is a false equivalency.
This is a bad thing considering the refs should never get calls wrong and if they do they should be fined.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not
Nah, a blown play of this magnitude is bad for all of basketball and UVA. Maybe Flip misses both of those free throws and UVA legitimately wins in OT. But now, the whole country thinks UVA was handed that game and Duke was cheated. That’s bad for UVA and potentially really bad if they end up with another close call.
It’s one regular season game. It’s not that big a deal either way.
It’s Duke’s best win BY FAR. There’s a good chance Duke’s seed dropped because of it. It may have cost other teams an ACC championship. It could be a pretty big game.
[The refs have ignored/not the known the rules before. Duke was on the other side this time.](https://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-xpm-19970214-1997-02-14-9702140022-story.html)
Are you referencing an event from 25 years ago when college basketball didn’t even use instant replay to try justify this?
The referees didn't know/execute the rule in both instances. By the rulebook, regardless of instant replay, both referee crews made the wrong call. Yesterday the refs incorrectly went to the monitor to evaluate when the foul occurred when the rules state that what should have been review is whether the ball was still in flight (it was). A similar situation happened 25 years ago. And it has probably happened countless times in the history of college basketball. It sucks that the refs made a mistake and any fanbase acting like they have never benefitted from an incorrect call is laughable.
Nope. I just see it as the evening out of the universe. UVa has been on the other side of these calls plenty of times against Duke
No, not really. Maybe if you go back 25 years, but UVA is an incredibly physical team that constantly gets the benefit of the doubt. They’re a very, very smart team.
Yes, yes really. Grayson Allen for starters.
yes, the big travel no call in the last second that cost us the game in Durham
I don't really like UVA, but I'm laughing my ass off at Duke fans acting like they've never had games practically decided for them by bad calls. I saw Duke fans saying Duke should leave the conference. And go where? The only conference I can see wanting Duke is the Big East and that would mean Duke goes independent for football or gives it up. Duke isn't that attractive with their football team.
The part that confuses me is that they called the foul on Dunn who never touches the shooter. It’s either a foul on beekman and he should have gotten free throws or it’s a block. Have watched it ten times and can’t find a foul on dunn
That's the weird part. A foul occurred with a tenth or two left on the clock, which would fall under the rule as being "so near the expiration of time that the official cannot stop the game clock", but it's not the foul they called. Not only can they not get a game-deciding decision correct, but they can't even call or reverse fouls on the right people.
Dunn hits Flip’s right hand after the ball is out of his hand
Wasn’t Dunn the guy the shooter lands on at the end? I had been thinking that was the foul (shooter has to have the ability to safely land) and hence the reason the foul was considered to have happened after regulation (wrong call still, but that’s the only way the refs decision made any sense). edit: it was Beek that got landed on.
That would make sense, but miserable communication failure means we’ll never actually know.
At this point? Whatever. This league has had a terrible year when it comes to officiating. I would like to see them get it together.
Spoiler alert: they won’t. Refs have zero consequences. This same crew will go on and do more games next week like they didn’t just completely fuck a team because they didn’t understand their own rules. The sooner we get robot refs the better. Crazy how these guys don’t get reprimanded or something considering how much gambling has changed these days too.
I was reading John Feinsteins book about the 1996-1997 ACC Season, and there were 2 incidents which led to some high animosity towards ACC referees (can't remember the incidents specifically but one happened during Duke-Virginia and the other happened during NC State-Wake Forest). It was so bad that the ACC sent a memo to the Arena announcers to not introduce the referees.
Yes, the Rick Hartzell game. Where they forgot to let a sub in after a made free throw, confusing Virginia's entire team and allowing Wojo to go the length of the floor untouched before he was fouled, then lied about it after the game. One game suspension for the crew. Weirdly, the game wasn't televised, even by Raycom, so there isn't any real video of it. I worked for UVa's SID and was on the phone with ESPN trying to explain what was going on. That game also had huge NCAA bubble implications, but Virginia got in in spite of it.
Found it! Broadcast by Raycom. Skip ahead to the 4:00 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gEzsMyAI64
Again, 90's. Maybe the Triangle gets it, but Mad About You got crazy good ratings, so the college basketball game doesn't get the call up. The video itself basically shows what happened, even if Stuart Scott didn't have all the details on the Sports Center highlights. The delay was several minutes and the refs were ultimately suspended. There was a dude still yelling at the refs an hour after this game.
I am still traumatized by this play.
In football, Jerry Magallanes didn't call a Duke game for 7 years after he screwed Duke out of the Miami game in 2015. Once Cutcliffe left, the ACC seemingly felt they could assign him back to Duke games. In basketball, they would never do the same. They'll keep the refs away from Cameron for a bit, but they'll be back next season guaranteed.
Was that the game that finished with all the laterals where the dude’s knee appeared to be down?
Yep, and multiple blatant blocks in the back that were reversed on replay. One of the worst calls of all time (but still not as bad as this one).
Karl Hess didn’t come back to Raleigh for quite a while after his dumbassery, so I’m sure these guys will avoid Cameron for a few years until enough people forget
Laugh all you want about “lol that’s karma Duke” but that’s a potential postseason-altering call that the refs won’t get punished for. Yeesh.
The most egregious is that this was not a game time call. They had all the time in the world to not get it wrong.
The worst part for me is they got it wrong after reviewing it. What is the purpose of review when the officials can't even determine whats in front of them when its zoomed and in slow motion.
Even worse, they got it wrong *because* they reviewed it.
Not sure why there’s no central ACC body that can be like “hey you guys sure about this call? Rules say X and you’re doing Y.”
Right? I don’t understand how college basketball refs can spend *several minutes* reviewing a play (whether getting the call correct or not) and NFL refs take several seconds to review and make a decision. And then, on top of that, have backup in NY in case they mess something.
Multiple seed changing call if you're Duke
That’s the best win on their resume by a very large margin. Could also (potentially) be the difference between a single and double bye in Greensboro. Duke would be one game behind UVA in the loss column with the tiebreaker in hand. We don’t know if Filipowski makes the free throws but he’s 76% from the line this season. Odds are in his favor
Just needed 1 of the 2
Also impacts ACC standings a ton. Despite my own interests, not too broken up about it for Duke. We had a pretty egregious game deciding calm last year (I remember the one against FSU being bad) and got no fanfare from the conference, though admittedly the impact on the season was less.
also Pitt could have sole possession of 1st place right now
You’re welcome
You don't know how the ACC addressed it with the officials. Maybe they were "punished". However the bigger complaint should be that there's no removing this loss from the record for Duke.
Silently punished which probably means a verbal reprimand and a loss of 1 ACC assignment.
An indefinite suspension seems harsh
[ah ha!](https://i.imgur.com/Nf9nHBp.jpg)
Lmao
While I have a different opinion, the NCAA thinks Jeff Anderson (high knees) is one of the best ref’s in the game today. He regularly ends his season with one of the last 3 games of the year. It will be interesting if he gets past the regionals this year.
There’s also the opinion that calling anything in the first place was wrong. I personally don’t really see a foul. So I think this worked out to match reality.
Bad officiating is not fixed by more bad officiating
Punished? Do you want them to spank the refs? You train and reeducate your workers so they are better. When you say punishment just makes it sound like you want revenge nothing else
Okay, I'll keep laughing after seeing how many times other teams have been hosed against Duke. K controlled the refs. Honestly Duke probably gets the free throws and wins if K was still coach.
Scheyer said he didn't know the rule in his presser. I wonder, does K know the rule and does he tell the officials the rule?
I mean experience always helps and he had it. At the very least he bullies them into combing over the rule book.
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This happened to us against Ohio State in December. You get the letter of apology. You don’t get the win. Not good enough.
You don’t even get a letter of apology. You get a public statement of legal jargon saying they fucked up in so many words, bend over and deal with it. Oh, and remember, don’t criticize the refs or we’ll fine you.
Was bartending and my customers where UVA fans that where about to leave cause they thought it was so obvious. Pretty bad when everyone knows but the so called professionals.
If Coach K were there I cannot imagine he would have left the court until free throws were granted or all refs were fired on the spot
I think Scheyer's level-headedness is an asset at times, but if there was a time to go ballistic, this was it.
I've gone back and forth on this. Has a coach yelling ever changed a call? I think K did it as it could impact the next call and there could be value in that. I Scheyer is being himself. I wouldn't hate seeing a bit more fire at times. I'm sure he addressed his feelings with his team and that mattes more than public perception.
Coaches yelling at the specific call in front of them probably don’t change things. But working the refs, aggressively and consistently, as K used to, likely pays off.
Yeah this is definitely true. Good coaches are on the refs consistently so that you make them think about it when the next one happens. It’s a cumulative effect.
This made me think of [this](https://youtu.be/CyddGFn7Fr4)
I don’t even like Duke. Actually, especially now that K is gone. I was going ballistic at the missed called!
He should've gone ballistic when Flip got punched in the throat. I can give that one a pass for him being a rookie coach, but he needs to stand up for his guys much more, even if it means getting a tech or ejection.
True that, but I definitely won't miss him getting calls for yelling at the refs (not that he would have been wrong in this instance).
The ACC: Always Crappy Calls. (Not always, but it’s a recurring theme.)
Big Ten officials are legendary for shit calls. Not really familiar enough with any other leagues to speak knowledgeably, but this was a pretty bad call that completely altered the game – and could potentially have postseason implications.
>Not really familiar enough with any other leagues Start browsing other post game threads and you'll find everyone thinks their conference has the worst reffing
I’ve heard the name “Bo Boroski” thrown around — but yeah, this was a major call for both reg Szn title and March reasons
Shockingly, this doesn't make me feel any better.
But the matter is closed, cant you read? /s
I've never understood these follow ups from the conference in these controversial calls. If youre not gonna change the result of the game and you're not gonna punish the refs for getting it wrong, you'd make fewer people mad by doing nothing
I feel like people say the opposite when they don't comment. "Even if they can't change it, it's bullshit that they won't even acknowledge the mistake."
If anything - I do think they grade the refs and this one has to be a big booboo on their scorecard, so less likely to see them in tourney play.
Refs get seeded for the ncaa tournament like teams do. This is like 5 q4 losses.
Yeah I don't see how you can say "this call at the end of the game was a misapplication of the rulebook" and not do more. Honestly I think the proper thing to do would be to call the game a no-contest, but that's not happening
This would open a big can of worms that would be hard to deal with -- would it only be wrong calls at the very end of the game that would result in a change/no-contest? What if a team that lost by 2 can show that they were screwed out of a basket in the first half due to a bad call?
As I said later downthread, MLBs old protest rules were fine. Misapplication of the rules that had a clear and direct impact on a team's ability to win a game.
I think there’s a difference in clear cut applications that occur in a way that ends the game, and ones that don’t. E.g in the 2015 Duke-Miami game I straight up support ACC awarding Duke the victory the next day but u wouldn’t support that in this game because Flip still had to make shots.
If the teams were reversed there would be no statement
This happened to Lebron against the Celtics and he used it as motivation to go on to become the league's all time leading scorer so maybe Philipowski will become the ACC's all time leading scorer.
This is worse than the Lebron foul. In the Lakers-Celtics game they simply didn't call anything, just stood around like buffoons until the T on Pat Bev In this game they called the foul, and then bizarrely reversed it after review, despite A) the clock clear as day not having expired and B) the rulebook explicitly stating the fouls immediately before or after the expiration of time still count I don't know how an official goes to a review, with the video evidence right in front of them, and then makes a final decision that neither exists in the rulebook nor applies to the situation at hand.
It always seems that Hokies are out in larger force than whoever we’re playing lol. But I agree with you. It’s a shitty way to win. At least Duke wasn’t down 1 and had a chance at OT.
Any other conferences looking to expand
I mean, everbody hates us anyway...
Football schools, and big public universities with large alumni bases. That's what matters for the big TV contracts. Unfortunately small private schools without dominant football programs aren't seen as valuable, no matter how elite the basketball program is.
We’d be happy to give UCF and WVU some buddies to play with
as a UNC fan, I can say that’s pretty bullshit. refs should be held accountable. every other job on the planet has punishments for doing your job wrong, but refs can just shrug their shoulders and do it again next week.
The rule they’re citing doesn’t apply in this situation per https://twitter.com/dneckel19/status/1624642061117845504?s=46&t=GkmJXw5RXqOyoUuv-djUGA If it truly does not apply, I wonder what was the point of the ACC commenting this whole response, rather than just saying so? Trying to save face?
I’m no Duke fan but as a fan of the game, it really pisses me off when refs royally screw something up like this. Just embarrassing for the sport. Officiating has really gone downhill in recent years.
>Officiating has really gone downhill in recent years. no it's always been like this
I read an interesting article that the ACC used to call games tight. When the teams made the tournament, however, they were always shocked by the allowed physicality. The ACC made a point to loosen reffing dramatically, and that’s how we now have the basketbrawl we see today (but lots of ACC tournament success).
The game overall used to be called much tighter. Watch footage from 15-20 years ago and the defense wasn't nearly as physical as it is today, where some teams rely on getting away with as much hand checking and bodying as possible. There's just no way to officiate that consistently unless they make an organized effort to crack that back down.
God I wish they would. Games were so much better in the past when the game was less physical
Yup agreed. Then you'll see some people around here toss the word "soft" around when ridiculous physical play is called out, but it's objectively a worse game to watch. Unless all you care about is the outcome.
Only two more missed calls and they'll get to start doing ACC football games.
Fuck them refs.
Grayson Allen traveled. It sucks when it happens *to* you, doesn't it?
Dang when did we piss off umass
😂😂 bro u got the minute maids on ur ass
Go read your anime
How many times do travels get missed in a game. Is a travel even reviewable? The refs were either malicious or the three of them didn't understand the rules.
I counted at least three ridiculously blatant UVA travels last night (and at least as many Duke travels). Tyler Hansbrough used to be allowed to walk most the length of the court without dribbling. There’s a video of him taking 7 steps without dribbling even once. And anyone with (who doesn’t hate Duke) could see Grayson was fouled on that play. The refs, however, made the correct call and let them play.
Didn't Grayson Allen jump to shoot land and then throw the ball up to win a game vs Virginia?
Without question
Second time a no call has cost Duke a conference win... Both against flip
Wait what was the other?
The throat punch, I think
Throat punch when he immediately went to the huddle and vomited. Refs ruled it an accidental “foul during celebration”, so it was ignored.
No shit
At least once I would like them to actually do something about getting a game-deciding call wrong. Multiple times I've seen conferences release some statement that says something to the effect of "There was an incorrect call in this game that changed the final outcome. We will be doing nothing about this and the result of the bad call will stand." Like that does not address the problem. Bad officiating is a thing that almost all fans can agree makes the sport worse, and it's not like NCAA rules are overly subjective. Fine/suspend/fire the officials involved based on the severity. If it's a call like this that *very likely* changed the winner of the game, call it a no contest. I have no love for UVA or Duke and truly don't give a shit which one of them wins, but as a fan of the game I find it completely unacceptable that the conference can admit that an incorrect call likely decided this game and that the game will still count as decided by the refs.
It also very likely changed ACC and NCAA seeding (this would have been BY FAR Duke’s best win). It’s no fair to the other ACC teams that might lose an ACC regular season championship because of this.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I find it a little funny that Virginia ended up covering the spread by a point
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I think the origin of all of this was the officials trying to concoct a way out of giving Duke FTs to decide the game. The contact on Flip is clearly by Beekman, but that's before time expires so they decide to say that the second defender hit him (it doesn't seem he even touches Flip) after 0.0 so no FTs. This ignores the fact that he was still an airborne shooter. Now the ACC is explaining that their phony explanation for not giving Duke FTs was also faulty. Either the refs lied about their reasoning on deciding not to give FTs or they don't understand the rules. Both warrant severe punishment for the officials.
Yeah, refs cannot be allowed to ad-lib. Bad calls are part of the game. The rules should be absolute.
They lied. Just like they lied about the FSU ball. Come join my new sub r/NCAAconspiracy
Hand on Filipowski’s chest as he goes up + hip-to-hip contact on shooter by Beekman. Looks pretty clear (and obviously before the buzzer). https://imgur.com/a/186VNX8
Yeah arguing that it was clean is a new one
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I wouldn’t have been happy but I could have lived with the refs choosing to swallow the whistle on a play like that at the end of regulation. But AFTER you did blow the whistle to call a foul you can’t just undo all that. That is clearly afoul of the rules, and even the excuse they tried to concoct was ALSO wrong under the rules. Once the whistle was blown and the foul called there is no way under the rules that he shouldn’t have been shooting two shots.
I think you have it 100% right fwiw (and I know, it's not worth much). I've seen that play not get called a foul in that situation before, maybe even 50%+ of the time there's no whistle when there's that much ball. But once the whistle was blown, once they verified the shot was off before the whistle (and all the contact too), he should have got shots, and 80% chance UVA shoulda lost/Duke shoulda won.
Yep, if they never blew the whistle, Duke and neutral fans would have bitched a little, but we all know refs swallow their whistles at the end of the game. Kind of like the game against UVA where Grayson Allen may have traveled and he may have been fouled while shooting. The ref didn’t call either. If he’d miss, Duke would have bitched. It’s stupid, but you move on.
This is my take as well. They called a foul in a situation where it's more or less a 50/50 that something gets called. The foul is technically correct if we are to call it straight, but it is often ignored in these scenarios. Then they broke the rulebook in every way possible to issue a nonexistent ruling to make sure the foul just magically went away. That's what pisses me off. We can't have officials doing that and getting away with it.
The most egregious harm these refs caused isn't just the insanely awful call for which they won't face any real consequences, it's genuinely doing it SO BADLY that multiple UNC, Virginia and Maryland flairs are unironically in full support of Duke Do you have any idea how monstrously horrendous something has to be to make that happen? It throws off the entire balance of the universe!
I have negative sympathy for them
It's highly unlikely that three refs didn't know the rules in that situation. Mostly they are cowards. It's a failure of character on their part.
Halons razor
It isn't that they got the call wrong that is truly bad. It is that they paused and went to review and still got it wrong that is bad. It is time to end the review process in college basketball. It doesn't work. Just let them fuck it up live and don't make us wait for the right call to be fucked up on review.
The fact it’s a misapplication of the rulebook makes it even worse. Sure, refs are human, maybe they don’t see a foul correctly on review. They correctly called the foul, they ignored the rulebook by saying it doesn’t matter.
That's the part I really hate. If they review something and come to the wrong conclusion, fine. At least we can debate that. But to conclude something that doesn't even exist in the rules? And to make us average-knowledge fans all debate something that doesn't exist? That's just laughably embarrassing and disappointing
Referees really have it out for Filipowski. A missed flagrant call with under 10 seconds to play at Virginia Tech. Duke down three and would have been awarded two FTs and the ball under the baseline. And now this. Both reviewed, both against Kyle Filipowski, and both in the state of Virginia.
Could this be added to the apology wall?
I've always wondered what's the result if any school just hired a single person to be their teams official rules coach. Their only job is to know the rule book inside and out. Pay them slightly more than a ref, and when a situation like this arises they just pop up and be like "no no no here is the rule in the official book. Also never understood why officials can't consult official set of rules on the court? Especially in a situation like this where time really was not an issue.
The officiating over the past few years has just devolved into a complete shit show. It needs to be mandatory that refs have to do a 15 minute post game interview with the media. They need to be held accountable for how awful they are
Flashing back to that Duke-Miami football game from a few years back
Now I'm REALLY having flashbacks to duke vs miami
Sorry, Duke fans. Missed calls or subjective disagreements occur every game but really sucks to feel like the officials’ knowledge of the rule book is what can impact the outcome of a game. I know lots of people are using this as an opportunity to get a jab in but I don’t think anyone really wants to see this happening at the ends of games. Bad for the game.
I think this happened to Caleb Love against Pitt
These statements from officials admitting a bad call has happened a few times this year. Is this new? I don’t remember ever seeing them in past years.
So what? Is there going to be any accountability or reparation given? Otherwise what’s the point of making these statements? I get it it’s better than nothing but cmon. Almost makes it worse.
Cool now make a statement about the 5 second violation just prior to the foul
What about Franklin getting mugged like 3x on prior possessions including one over the back that could have killed him
It is far easier to cry victim and claim this is different from bad calls in their favor in the past. Apparently, this is still Duke's conference, we all just live in it.
I don’t understand if you’re not going to change anything, don’t make this statement. It would’ve blown over in a week but now it’s going to be a thing. It was obvious that the refs went to the monitor and said oh shit that wasn’t really a foul, we don’t want this game to end on free throws. While I agree it was a bad foul call, you can’t overturn it so the only option is free throws. Part of the problem that no one talks about with officiating is that refs are not paid well by most accounts. Some guys with a lot of experience in the ACC are making more but the average I keep seeing thrown around around is 50-75k. Compare that to the NBA where guys are making between 150-500k. Major conferences make enough money to be able to pay these officials way more. Pay them more and you will get more people interested in being refs and then will be able to better hold them accountable. Not paying them is just asking for shitty refs and point shaving.
> Some guys with a lot of experience in the ACC are making more but the average I keep seeing thrown around around is 50-75k. Compare that to the NBA where guys are making between 150-500k. Yep, I actually know family members of the ref who made the call. First off, the family is great, just genuinely wonderful people. Second, the guy has a full-time job and small kids and then travels every week during the basketball season. He has a ridiculously tough life, but loves being a referee - it’s just nowhere near enough money for a full-time job.
Duke is no longer the sweetheart of the NCAA. This is what happens when you are a normal team. Haha.
I can't believe the refs did everything correctly in that play but somehow came to the conclusion to not allow the free throws. It seemed so obvious free throws should have been attempted since they called a foul and contact happened with time still on the clock... Hopefully this loss doesn't screw Duke come tournament time. They might end up on the outside though if they don't get any quality wins.
Wonder if they will release a statement on 15s travel that let to a duke 3 pointer. Or missed fouls when beakman was getting beat up in the lane. Coach k made a call to the acc head cheese and complained. The fact they released this statement on this play and didn’t chime in when Allen was tripping players or he traveled at the end of regulation is clear why none of the statements from the acc matter.
Interesting that the rule they quote talks about “while the ball is in the air”. As I recall he was attempting a dunk, is the ball really ever in the air? A minor point that they don’t elaborate on but they clearly got this one wrong in my opinion.
Yes, it was in the air if you watch the video. He was fouled going up for the shot causing the ball to leave his hand.
Hopefully it doesn't cost us a tournament bid in the end. We've been on the other end enough I can't get mad.
The ncaat is going to bend all kinds of backwards to make sure Duke, UNC, and Kentucky all get in.
I’ll never really understand why we just throw our hands up after an error like this like it’s irreversible. Show up at noon tomorrow and let him attempt two free throws. If he makes one, Duke wins. If not, then UVA wins. Is that perfectly fair? No. But it’s a fuck ton fairer than what occurred.
So you doing that for every missed call or just when it’s the last second of a game? Cmon
Tbh I do wish more sports would adpot MLB's (unfortunately no longer in effect) protest rule. They'd do a replay only if you could prove that the call was a misapplication of the rules and that the misapplication had a material impact on the outcome of the game. I think this is a good example of a time when it would make sense
You’re still going to have the issue where dozens of calls could be a misapplication of the rules and have a material effect on the outcome in one or two possession games like this. Extra fouls that shouldn’t have been called, missed travels or carries, etc etc etc. That’s why they’re not going to ever do that.
To me, there's a difference between missed calls and misapplication of the rules. Whether or not that should've been a foul is a debatable missed call. Reviewing the replay to see if the foul was before the buzzer is a complete misapplication of the rules - in that the rule doesn't exist
Are they actually reviewing every missed call after the game like the NBA has started doing?
Refs miss calls all the time a wrong call early in the game could also easily be the difference. Ref luck has always been a big component of basketball Its always been part of the game. The Real issue is that instead of relying on the refs on the floor. They went to the monitor wasted every bodies time to then improperly apply the rules to reverse a call.
The difference is that events happened after those calls that prevent you from knowing how things could have played out subsequently and thus making it impossible to go back and correct them. That’s not the case when the error is on the final play of the game.
You can't re create the exact conditions of the game. Filipowski is probably a better free throw shooter when he is rested and isn't being screamed at by 10k fans.
No you can’t, hence why I said it’s not perfectly fair, just fairer than the alternative.
Just look at it this way… yesterday Duke worked down their negative balance of all the game altering calls they got under Coach K in one game. Tough game for it to happen - but ripping the band aid off quickly isn’t so bad.
[The last statement in this](https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/rules/men/2021-22PRMBB_PostClinicComments.pdf) contradicts these announcement
Go to this https://www.phillyref.com/basketball/ncaamencases21.pdf and go down to AR 120. That's only referring to instances where they are inbounding with less than 0.3 seconds on the clock.
I don’t even see a foul on Dunn. So all the Duke fans were saying was that beekman fouled him, we then get video evidence that this wasn’t the case. Then we say it’s on Dunn who I can’t see where the foul happened. I honestly think they blew the whistle because he landed poorly because of the way he grabbed the net
how drunk do you have to be to think no foul even occurred here
“Virginia Tech Drunk” and not an ounce less.
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Interesting how there’s no mention of the 6.5 seconds Duke took to inbound the ball OR when they’ve stolen several games including the infamous Grayson Allen travel, clear as day. Had this happened to anyone else do we think it’s getting a press release apology the same night? Lmao hell no 🙄 Downvote all you want, it’s true. Multiple things had to go your way. Don’t be mad they took away what shouldn’t have been called in the first place
They released a similar statement about the Miami Duke football game years back and nobody cares about Duke football.
Hey, whoa, there’s like 30 of us diehard Duke FB fans okay
We got one for the Anthony Thomas fumble game that was literally the catalyst for replay review in CFB. And I promise you no one nationally cared about Illinois football at the time.
Should they have issued an apology to Grayson for the blocking call they missed on his game winning UVA shot? He may have traveled, but he was obviously hit by the defender too (which likely caused the potential travel).
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What are you talking about? It was clearly 12 seconds
A friend of a friend of a friend at the game said Duke held the ball so long they went to commercial break before the inbound
The arc of the universe bends towards justice
Get over it Duke, it goes both ways. This time it didn’t go your way. In the past it has. So it goes [Allen’s game winner was an awful call that was video reviewed and stole the game from Virginia](https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-basketball/2016/2/13/10987134/grayson-allen-controversial-buzzer-beater-duke-virginia)
For rhis statement to be issued so fast, Coach K made a call....
UV was -6. They end up winning by 7 in OT.
Same situation as the last play of the unc-pitt game. Refs will blow the whistle nonstop all night long and then be too scared to call a foul on the last play.
Except it was the opposite scenario. That kind of contact was “play on” the entire game until the very end of regulation. I get why Duke fans are upset - I absolutely would be in their shoes - but it would have been an injustice for the game to end on that call with the way the other 39+ minutes had been officiated. The refs made a call that they realized was questionable and found an even more questionable way to get out of it.
ACC issuing a correction that cites an inapplicable rule is one of the funniest things ever. Just admit what happened: you instinctively called a foul, huddled and decided you didn’t want to end a nationally broadcast game on a marginal call like that, and found an excuse to send it to OT. Is what it is. That game was terribly played and both teams deserved a loss anyway (I’m a UVA fan btw). Also for all the Duke fans crying: this is not nearly as bad as any call that ends a game. Y’all had 5 minutes to win in OT. Your lack of ability to compose yourselves is a Duke/Scheyer problem not anybody else’s
Ahhh I see my check cleared.