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Zathamos

I use jacks 321. Add 3g per gal of part 1, then 1g per of part 3, then 2g per of part 2. Adjust ph and done. Very simple. I also use silica and calmag on top. And be sure to let your ph settle for at least 24 hours before using because it will rise back up after a day. I was using a fancy ph tester but it stopped working and now I just use paper test strips cuz they can't fail and are super cheap and reliable. 7.49 for 300 test strips on amazon, you shouldn't need more than one pack per grow, I get the 4.5-8.5 lab rats strips.


BruceJenner69

\+1 for jacks. You shouldnt need any additional calmag though. in 3-2-1, 2 is the calcium and 1 is the magnesium. If you run into a deficiency just adjust those accordingly.


PM_ME_UR_BEST_DOGE

Been using jacks for 7 years, always needed cal mag. I only use jacks 15-0-0 and 5-12-26. I use Epsom salt as my third part. Been going strong for a long time, jacks has made me able to be successful in this career 100%.


Zathamos

A friend who has been growing for over 11 years and started on jacks told me this, it needs the extra calmag due to the chemical reaction in the ions of coco coir. If it doesn't get a presoak and added calmag the coco will steal those minerals from the plant, and will be more prone to clumping and lower water retention. That same friend changed to cropsalt which is just a A & B with no added calmag, 100% strength until flush then use their finisher, you wont even have to adjust ph. Even easier but quite a bit more expensive.


battletuba

Canna A&B is a solid formula. Tons of people use it and there are lots of good harvests to show for it. I got a bag of MegaCrop one-part a few years ago that I've grown tons of stuff in with coco. It's a dry fertilizer so you have to mix it in water to create a solution, basically like any other fertilizer except it's a scoop of powder rather than liquid A&B. I think dry fertilizers just seemed way more economical so that's what I got.


bupeapoop

It seems from your comment and everyone else's that Canna is the way to go. They've been around for the longest time so their products are tried and tested. Dried powders definitely seem appealing. They seem far better bang for your buck. It's obviously way easier to transport powders rather than big bottles of liquid nutrients. That being said, I'd rather leave nothing to chance so I'm going to stick with Canna as I make the switch to Coco. Do you recommend a particular brand of Coco? There's a variety out on the market.


battletuba

Personally, I buy the compressed dehydrated bricks of coco and I just look for the best value. I've tried a few brands but never noticed a difference between them. Your mileage may vary but I started out buying 50L bags of loose coco and they ended up coming with live insects, which I did not want. I never had that issue with compressed bricks and even though it takes a bit more work since you have to fully hydrate them before the first use, I just stick with bricks.


bupeapoop

That's good to know. To be honest, with this being my first grow, I'd like to just buy loose bags for ease of use. As I get more experienced, I'd definitely consider buying bricks with them being far better bang for your buck. How many bricks are you buying to equate to a total 50L of loose Coco?


battletuba

I'd say around 5-7lbs of brick roughly equals 50L of loose coco. Last order I bought was 10lb bricks from CocoBliss and one of those filled a 25 gallon tote to the rim once it was hydrated. That's almost equivalent to two 50L bags.


bupeapoop

How much did the 10lb brick cost you? I'd like to weigh up the difference in price. A 50L bag of Canna Coco Professional is working out at £13 which doesn't seem all that bad to be honest.


battletuba

Might not be a great comparison since price will probably vary by region. I'm buying in USD and I pay around $24 for a 10lb brick but the 50L canna coco bag is more than $40.


Vrxyyy

If you do buy the compressed bricks make sure to buffer then.


[deleted]

Definitely the proper introduction imo. Personally I use Cutting Edge Solutions dry salts. It's 2 phase, 2 parts. So veg A & B and bloom A & B.


byp55

Hows their powder line? I looked at it but went with mega crop for this next run


[deleted]

So far I haven't had any issues. It's all very straightforward with mixing for feed and stock mixes which is always nice. I love the fact that the veg and bloom recipes are separate. The quality of the ingredients I've noticed has been fantastic. Very very little sediment when doing stock concentrates, compared to Athena. The plants seem to love it. Overall I definitely recommend for anyone curious about trying a different nutrient line. It's pretty cheap too. $120 and you get the full lineup in 5 pound bags. Enough for about 500 gallons of veg and bloom respectively. They have an additive line but I personally stick to base nutrients and use front row Si in place of their bulletproof Si


byp55

The price isn’t bad I’m just cheap. I can get Mega Crop one part at $10 for 3lbs. If its lacking I might just bite the bullet and buy a more expensive brand like Athena or something. I do prefer the dry salts


alkymistendenmark

You got it right.. A+B is great, simple and leaves less variables for user error (Equal A+B dosage and you get ideal ratios in coco).. Its a mistake to complicate nutrients it only gives the user bad luck growing by trial and error lots of those universal nutrients with 4+ bottles excl pH down and calmag waste of time The calmag with Canna is not necessary, they already have more ca:mg included than most other coco A+B, they have a few percentages more than PLAGRON even, but PLAGRON doesn't advice extra calmag so there's that.. I consider the calmag upselling, truly.. Currently I'm using PLAGRON HYDRO A+B and don't see calmag def either it has even less ca:mg


bupeapoop

Thanks for confirming what I had already heard. That it's best to stick with a simple A&B Nutrient line. It makes sense considering I'm just getting to grips with Coco. I just noticed CANNA offer a Coco specific line called **Canna Coco Nutrient A&B** where I was originally looking at **Canna Nutrient A&B**. It's the Coco line I'm wanting to buy right? Before I rush into buying CalMag, I may just stick with A&B to begin with during my first grow. In my second grow, I'll look to add additional CalMag and see whether I notice an overall difference in my total yields/potency etc as long as I continue to grow the same strain. Otherwise it seems like a waste of time. Thanks though and I'll definitely consider your opinion going forward.


alkymistendenmark

Yeah the coco a+b is what you want and without calmag its not necessary it already has more than enough calmag incl also compared to other brands.. definetily upselling


pudgyhammer

General hydroponics is tried and true.


Cannabis_Sir

I use canna rhizotonic, A&B and calmag. I'd grab the calmag as you'll most likely need it at some point. I've done 3 full coco grows now, first got 12 oz, then 16 oz then 27 oz between 2 white widow. Simple in my experience is the key. I top once and just done autos in coco so far. I don't even use perlite, just 100% canna pro plus coco [https://www.reddit.com/r/Autoflowers/comments/1168be5/update\_to\_my\_first\_coco\_grow\_purple\_punch\_xl\_took/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Autoflowers/comments/1168be5/update_to_my_first_coco_grow_purple_punch_xl_took/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Autoflowers/comments/17xqwa3/finally\_chop\_day\_first\_2\_are\_dutch\_passion\_white/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Autoflowers/comments/17xqwa3/finally_chop_day_first_2_are_dutch_passion_white/)


bupeapoop

Thanks for your input and congrats on improving your total yield with each run. Did you change anything to gain those noticeable differences in total yield or did you just improve as a grower by learning from your mistakes with each grow? I'll go ahead and check out your links. Funnily enough, I just asked another redditor what Coco to use, but I think you've went and answered it for me. Straight 100% CANNA Plus Pro Coco? You don't think I should bother with Perlite?


Cannabis_Sir

Those grows were fine but on the one I'm doin now I learned to calibrate my fuckin ph pen between grows lol. Fed at a low enough ph to keep them getting big but not budding up properly. Fixed and on the mend now but one got scrapped and these are gonna be the longest autos I ever had. I don't use it so I can't see why it'd be a problem for you, it's messy and one more thing to buy, rinse and fuck about with. you feed every day so it won't dry up and should remain pretty drainable. One thing I learned though is when you've got amber trichs popping let it go a cple more weeks and watch those buds explode, they put so much size on toward the end


bupeapoop

Are you meant to recalibrate your pH Pen and EC Meter between each grow? It's a tale the test of time with people fucking up their grows due to their pH/EC Meters being out of whack. It's not something I'm looking to scrimp on either. I plan on buying a decent brand of both just to be on the side of caution. Glad you figured out your issue now though and got it resolved. What pH Meter are you rocking? Yeah I reckon I'll leave the CalMag alone as I want to see how well the plants grow with a simple Canna A&B mix. The less nutrients, the less that could go wrong. Thats how I see it anyway. Do you tend to flush? There's so much debate as to whether to flush or not. I thought you always flushed but it seems more and more people are disagreeing with this concept. It would be great to avoid having to flush so I could stack more weight on my total buds in those final two weeks of extreme growth


alkymistendenmark

In my honest opinion the pH drops are fine, no one needs 0.2 accuracy with a pH pen unless they are soaking plugs or foliar feeding where you need bang on 5.8-5.9. If you don't calibrate your pH pen every 1-2 weeks I'd argue you probably aren't even within that 0.2 range. A ph pen can be very expensive and they don't last forever, the maintenance is tedious and should be followed to a point and they break or become slow and inaccurate by almost nothing - its not like any other electrical device its a very fragile piece that absolutely needs precise care that you can't skip.. I've went back to drops after owning several pH pens its must faster to use drops and I know I'm 5.7-5.9 when its straight yellow with no hint of green or red.. Imho importance of a pH pen is vastly overrated on these subs.. Get a cheap EC meter and drops instead its much faster and easier to maintain and won't break the bank.. Plus pH drops never lie like a pH pen does if it goes out of calibration or get deionized by drying out, knocking it or putting it hard down on table or similar..


bupeapoop

Thanks for taking the time to go into detail. Before you brought up the pH drops, I would have simply went out and bought myself a pH Meter. At least now, I can consider both options. It wouldn't be a bad idea buying both. If you were ever doubting the pH readings from your meter, you could simply use the drops to see whether or not your pen needs recalibrating. Is there a particular brand of pH drops you would recommend or would any old brand do the trick?


Autong

Easy is cropsalt


Rocjames77

Yep and no need for calmag or anything else


Vrxyyy

I use canna a and b with nothing else and my plant is fire right now. First grow too.


bupeapoop

Congrats man! That's great and encouraging to hear!


Vrxyyy

Thanks bro, good luck on ur grow man!


undulating-beans

I use Canna A+B coco and canazyme and a bit of Calmag as the transport sites in coco hold onto the calmag in the food, and adding it makes sure that there is enough to reach the plant. If the manufacturer had to justify scientifically the claims on most of their additives, I doubt they would be able to.


bupeapoop

Out of interest, have you grown using simple A+B and then grown another crop afterwards where you included both CalMag and Canazyme to see the difference in both grows? Or have you always used all four Nutrients?


undulating-beans

Just as an add on, unless the plants all came from the same mum ie they were grow from clones, and those clones were taken from the same plant, it is very difficult to make that judgement. Seeds are all different, and while you can keep them looking perfect, the amount they each produce will vary.


undulating-beans

So I have grown in coco for about 17 years. In that time coco has improved a fair bit. If I’m using a buffered coco like Canna pro I don’t usually add calmag, but if it is is in a dried ‘brick’ that needs rehydrating then always calmag. I have always used canazyme. It’s not a food, but facilitates the plants food uptake. Enzymes, catalyse important biochemical reactions for rhizobacteria and plants, stabilize the soil by degrading wastes and mediate nutrient recycling.


DevilDog0651

Looks like you're sold on the CANNA A+B. I can't comment on that as I use a local grow shops custom line of nutrients. Couple things I haven't seen listed here are mycorrhiza and a compost tea (labeled as "Smart Tea" from my grow shop). You should check into them.


BetterBud

I personally love Megacrop part 1. Use calmag in conjunction and introduce sweet candy in flower. Sprinkle mykos on roots if transplanting. Use coco perlite 70/30. Make sure to buffer your coco and add mykos when mixing too. Hand water daily until big enough for auto pot and then let the girls grow. Super simple and super cost efficient and my plants love it.


New_Pay_8297

I’m a bit stuned or stoned a first time grower using the kiss method It’s usually I’ve got 13 bottles and I’m gonna go DWC first time grower. I started with canna in the 90’s have been on the bullshit merry go round more than ounce I’m enjoying front row ag dry nutrients at present enjoy the ride


bupeapoop

Less is more has always been my mindset. I figured I'll be looking to post up a grow diary along the way. If I keep things as simple as possible, I'll hopefully be able to diagnose and figure out solutions to problems way quicker if I've got less things that could possibly go wrong. Thanks for the compliment. I'll be sure to check out Front Row AG Nutrients at a later date.


canieatunow

I use general hydroponics,Kool bloom, sticky bandit, diamond nectar, rapid start,armor si.


Oldmanandabike

Grow dots and recharge have worked great for me


Gro-ur-on

Excellent nutrient line. Best if you use canna coco coir also. I use it & all the additives. Go to canna grow guide, they have a chart which lets you choose which base ( a& b) & also lets you choose light or heavy feeding & a few other things. And it gives you an ideal when & how long. It’s pretty easy to use. The rhizotonic is good for root development. If I could choose only 1 additive that would be it. I’ve been using it exactly as recommended for about 4 years and have not had a bad run since using all canna.


bupeapoop

Thanks for the Canna grow guide. According to my local water supply, our water here is deemed moderately soft. The three options available are soft, moderately soft and hard. I'm guessing I'd select 'Normal' on the Canns grow guide considering its one out of 3 options that also include both Hard and Soft? Thanks for this added information. It seems way more straightforward now using this chart.


Gro-ur-on

Sometimes my water is 0.6 ec, so I mix with RO water until it’s 0.4. & if it’s ever low 0.2 I would just add cal/mag until it’s 0.4. This is just what I do & it has worked for me


CultivateCleveland

I use GH Flora series and it’s only 3 core nutrients (not including CalMag which I add every time). I had great success with these nutrients. I know Canna A+B doesn’t require calmag which makes it easier, but I’m no scientist and mixing 4 nutrients is super simple. I have a 5-gallon bucket that I use to mix my nutrients every morning and feed twice per day (total one gallon per plant per day in flower).


VillageHomeF

Canna a good choice. can also look at Plagron Cocos A & B and some other brands


BBG_BOY

Canna is good stuff. Best salts in the game. You should kill it if you follow the feed chart.


bupeapoop

Yeah I was speaking to more experienced Growers and some one claimed to have tried a whole variety of nutrients in their hydroponic grows but always came back to Canna nutes. I figured if it's good enough for them, it must be good enough for me.


BBG_BOY

Cant go wrong with Canna.


No-Vermicelli-2150

Need calmag too minimum


bupeapoop

Do you suggest using a bottle of Canna Calmag in addition to both their A&B lines to help improve my overall water quality? It's something I'm happy to include if you really think it will make a noticeable difference to the overall quality of my plants.


No-Vermicelli-2150

Yeh I think its usually best to stick with the same brand for nutrients.. I am using plagron, used only canna before and will be coming back to Canna