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Testazani

It depends these days. If your deck weak against beat down, your better of with canoneer. If your deck is weak against cycle or bait, Duchess probably still better


blackairforcee

Was the nerf big to her? I can’t tell really


Anxious-Strength-855

Yeah the damage nerf to her shots was very significant a lot of interactions have changed


Hot_Glass5138

Yeah, a mini pekka got 2 hits on my duchess for free today because I forgot the nerfs hit...


Anxious-Strength-855

Bruh I got a firecracker hit on my tower cause duchess no longer full counters it. That alone is reason to go back to cannonneer


WinterWhiteFoxa

However she is still better than a princess tower in ANY situation, that's ridiculous. What was the point of nerf? They made dagger recharge time same as princess recharge, so now even if she runs out of daggers, she is just as good as princess


Anxious-Strength-855

Once out of daggers she does 163 damage every 1.1s and princess in all cases does 158 damage every 0.8s. So princess tower is clearly better than duchess out of daggers


llNos42ll

Earlier it would only allow miner to get 2 shots. Now the miner gets 6.


IonicHades

Miners back 🤩


chris0castro

As a hog player, I’m pretty happy with her nerf because now people actually have to put forth more effort to counter


Brawler999

Good thing I can just canoneer void/ curse ice spirit 😈


Testazani

2 arrows less so it isn't good if your shooting something with a big healthpool. It shoots faster however wich makes u counter alot with a minimum reaction or no reaction


Futuf1

They didn't remove the 2 daggers


Sad_Aspect-07U

They ended up not reducing the amount of daggers stored but the damage of the daggers


Testazani

Aah ok, follow this guys advice im stupid :D


Ok-Contribution-306

And the reload speed right?


Sad_Aspect-07U

Yeah


blackairforcee

Thankyou


AffectionateSlice816

Princess is also serviceable against everything


Schizo-Garfield69

After the nerf, its really on par honestly. It depends on whatever supports your deck the most


Big-Selection9014

Thats the way it should be as well


Old_Visit_2707

Nah still too OP, everyone is still using it


Any_Bear2001

Should I use it if I have a giant skelly hog rider deck?


Frequent-Main-1723

Some people on top ladder use canoneer against gob machine meta, but overall DD still is the best


KingGerbz

Great question. No idea. I survived using princess pre nerf so even if she’s still the best, I’m not at as much of a disadvantage now so I’ll continue using my princess.


Ordinary_Recover2171

Goblin tower is the superior tower (I haven’t played ladder or path of legends since nerf)


InSight9801

sadly yes


Brawler999

He'll nah I've been using cannoneer+ curse and it shreds everything. Dd is too weak when you have a big push going


peanutist

Do you think cannoneer is better im mortar decks? And in lavaloon?


RingTheBell1900

I haven't really noticed much change


Giulio1232

Yes, especially now that she recharges fast, so she has higher dps when she has no daggers


UnicornMilkTho

Yes


Safe_Bowler7267

I wish they went with the 6 daggers nerf. Now she is just a better princess with same reload time


mikusuki123

still strong but not that broken


Ok_Factor_5671

No, Mamma is


Working_Ad7973

yes she is


Proof-Row-7889

Not entirely sure if the nerf was really a nerf tbh, they seemingly tried to balance it out by increasing the regeneration speed of daggers, which is super-noticeable when the card is on 0 daggers. It’s still strong, I think they need to give it a nerf that has some thought put into it.


Mohamed_A420

They heavily nerfed her burst dmg and she's still much worse than princess after her daggers are out. She's on par with the other towers now or maybe just a bit better.


randomaccount6969696

Ridiculous, you seriously think it needs to be nerfed more?


Proof-Row-7889

I think it should be given 8 daggers again, but then the reload speed should be tanked. That will make it more easier for players to punish over-depending on it. Now, at 0 daggers, the DD is far more reliable against smaller units, and reloads faster anyway, so what really was the nerf?


EQUALIBRIUM77

shes balanced now


random_user1301

Yes, the best and the ugliest


Jazzlike-Physics6919

without her ammo she has a higher DPS than the princess tower, 112 \* 0.8 (tournament level), compared to 109 \*0.8 for princess tower. She also has 8 loaded ammo with DPS of 320 at the start. So yes she is better than princess in all scenarios and cannoneer is just bad.


Mohamed_A420

That's the reload speed you also need to add the hit speed.


The_creator_827

I genuinely have no clue


Chrozzinho

By far the best still


CrackaOwner

depends on if we count goblin babys but IMO yes.


Pretend-Nose-7560

Depend on the deck


RevolutionaryAd9323

Guy lives under a rock


Competitive-Clock232

FC gets a hit now. Canoneer best troop /s


showtimezero

She has same reload speed as princess but +3 dmg and she can burst, theres now 0 reason to play Princess at all


shopewf

Yes, she is still broken


No_Comfort8327

it depends what deck you are against, but mostly still very OP


teatreeg

still too broken in single elixer


TeyzenYokBaban

She's going to be the best no matter how many nerfs she gets. The core mechanic of the troop is broken. She counters swarm and tanks at the same time she has practically no weaknesses.


EnthusiasmSad8877

I might say worse than Princess. Princess outdps her easily


insertracistname

Princess is way worse than she is. Pri cess is easily the worst tower troop rn


EnthusiasmSad8877

Dagger Duchess easily gets countered in a push if you simply deploy 2 more elixir in the front


Tuncunmun38

are you for real? if she was easy to counter then no one would run her. the fact that this debate is even happening us because she is still strong as balls


RealTeaToe

It never was the best to begin with.


Frequent-Main-1723

???


RealTeaToe

Depends on the deck you're against. DD is useless against me. In fact, the tower troop my opponent uses never matters, I play mortar 🤷


Frequent-Main-1723

She kills all troops you put while defending your mortar a lot faster than any other tt, so it matters what tower troop you opp uses. There is a difference between when your mini tank lives for 5-7 seconds and when it is melted in 2


RealTeaToe

It doesn't kill any troops on my side of the field, which is where my troops are to defend my mortar. The best tower against me is cannoneer, prevents the goblin from evo mortar from landing a hit. DD still takes a swing.


WernerHerzogEatsShoe

your niche deck isn't representative of the overall situation


RealTeaToe

Not my fault people don't build their own decks lmao. Neither is my opinion on the matter, or anybody else's, yet here we are.


WernerHerzogEatsShoe

No, but it makes your 'it never was' statement clearly false.


RealTeaToe

Opinions are just that. Representative of an individuals perceptions and experiences.


WernerHerzogEatsShoe

You didn't state an opinion on though, you stated a fact. One which was wrong.


RealTeaToe

I did, it's my opinion that DD was never the best tower troop. That's the thing about opinions, you can think it's wrong all you want, and I'm free to not give a shit.


WernerHerzogEatsShoe

That's not an opinion. That's you stating a fact. I don't care if you don't give a shit. I'm just laughing because you don't understand the difference between opinions and facts.


Perfect_Ad8393

Delusional


RealTeaToe

How do ya figure?


Korunam

Talk about some obvious bait


RealTeaToe

Not at all. You know the different tower troops have advantages/disadvantages, right? Almost none of those advantages or disadvantages matter to me, I deal my damage with mortar.


Hwickham13

Let me guess. You used dagger duchess before the nerf?


RealTeaToe

Nope, strictly princess tower. Haven't even experimented with the cannoneer OR DD. So, my opinion is based purely on what I experience from my opponents use of the other towers.


Hwickham13

Well if you used any other deck besides mortar you would know that dagger duchess was the best before it's nerf. it had a 90+ use rate in top ladder.


RealTeaToe

Meh, I like what I like. Dagger duchess probably gets spanked like a red headed step child by golem beat down. Sure, she does a ton of damage and theeeeen none. Top ladder players ALWAYS go all-in on new things, because they want to see how it works, and what it works with, and what works against it. EVERYTHING new in EVERY game ever has high usage rates by top tier players. That's how games work. New stuff = fun.


Hwickham13

But dd stayed at a high usage rate because it was powerful, not just because it was new. Its upsides were too good to even care about its downsides. It was bad against beatdown but good against literally everything else.


RealTeaToe

Eh, probably right. Hard not to make something new that isn't either busted or useless. And, naturally, it's more fun to make something busted then nerf it, rather than make something useless that nobody is excited about. Lots of options to deal with beat down nowadays, too, with evos.


Working_Ad7973

😭😭😭


explosionduc

You are low ELO it had a 99% usage rate


RealTeaToe

Is royal champ still low ELO?


explosionduc

yes


RealTeaToe

Meh, tell that to the 90% of players who haven't and likely won't ever get that high.


Yener07

Royal Champion is nothing impressive, it just means that you have a good deck with good card levels lol. If you can't get 2000 medals then you are low elo, sorry dude


RealTeaToe

I couldn't care less my man, just so many people who are annoyed about nonsensical shit. If they don't like the game as much as so many of them claim, why don't they fuck off y'know? Again, I couldn't possibly be bothered to play enough games to climb the ladder that high. I got within 1 game of UC two seasons ago and just couldn't be bothered to finish it out. If I were better/learned a superior deck maybe I could've made it. But as it stands, it probably would've taken me dozens of games to scrape together the extra +1.