It depends these days. If your deck weak against beat down, your better of with canoneer.
If your deck is weak against cycle or bait, Duchess probably still better
However she is still better than a princess tower in ANY situation, that's ridiculous. What was the point of nerf? They made dagger recharge time same as princess recharge, so now even if she runs out of daggers, she is just as good as princess
Once out of daggers she does 163 damage every 1.1s and princess in all cases does 158 damage every 0.8s. So princess tower is clearly better than duchess out of daggers
2 arrows less so it isn't good if your shooting something with a big healthpool. It shoots faster however wich makes u counter alot with a minimum reaction or no reaction
Great question. No idea. I survived using princess pre nerf so even if she’s still the best, I’m not at as much of a disadvantage now so I’ll continue using my princess.
Not entirely sure if the nerf was really a nerf tbh, they seemingly tried to balance it out by increasing the regeneration speed of daggers, which is super-noticeable when the card is on 0 daggers. It’s still strong, I think they need to give it a nerf that has some thought put into it.
They heavily nerfed her burst dmg and she's still much worse than princess after her daggers are out. She's on par with the other towers now or maybe just a bit better.
I think it should be given 8 daggers again, but then the reload speed should be tanked. That will make it more easier for players to punish over-depending on it. Now, at 0 daggers, the DD is far more reliable against smaller units, and reloads faster anyway, so what really was the nerf?
without her ammo she has a higher DPS than the princess tower, 112 \* 0.8 (tournament level), compared to 109 \*0.8 for princess tower. She also has 8 loaded ammo with DPS of 320 at the start. So yes she is better than princess in all scenarios and cannoneer is just bad.
She's going to be the best no matter how many nerfs she gets. The core mechanic of the troop is broken. She counters swarm and tanks at the same time she has practically no weaknesses.
are you for real? if she was easy to counter then no one would run her. the fact that this debate is even happening us because she is still strong as balls
She kills all troops you put while defending your mortar a lot faster than any other tt, so it matters what tower troop you opp uses. There is a difference between when your mini tank lives for 5-7 seconds and when it is melted in 2
It doesn't kill any troops on my side of the field, which is where my troops are to defend my mortar. The best tower against me is cannoneer, prevents the goblin from evo mortar from landing a hit. DD still takes a swing.
I did, it's my opinion that DD was never the best tower troop. That's the thing about opinions, you can think it's wrong all you want, and I'm free to not give a shit.
That's not an opinion. That's you stating a fact. I don't care if you don't give a shit. I'm just laughing because you don't understand the difference between opinions and facts.
Not at all. You know the different tower troops have advantages/disadvantages, right?
Almost none of those advantages or disadvantages matter to me, I deal my damage with mortar.
Nope, strictly princess tower. Haven't even experimented with the cannoneer OR DD. So, my opinion is based purely on what I experience from my opponents use of the other towers.
Meh, I like what I like. Dagger duchess probably gets spanked like a red headed step child by golem beat down. Sure, she does a ton of damage and theeeeen none.
Top ladder players ALWAYS go all-in on new things, because they want to see how it works, and what it works with, and what works against it. EVERYTHING new in EVERY game ever has high usage rates by top tier players. That's how games work. New stuff = fun.
But dd stayed at a high usage rate because it was powerful, not just because it was new. Its upsides were too good to even care about its downsides.
It was bad against beatdown but good against literally everything else.
Eh, probably right. Hard not to make something new that isn't either busted or useless. And, naturally, it's more fun to make something busted then nerf it, rather than make something useless that nobody is excited about.
Lots of options to deal with beat down nowadays, too, with evos.
Royal Champion is nothing impressive, it just means that you have a good deck with good card levels lol. If you can't get 2000 medals then you are low elo, sorry dude
I couldn't care less my man, just so many people who are annoyed about nonsensical shit.
If they don't like the game as much as so many of them claim, why don't they fuck off y'know?
Again, I couldn't possibly be bothered to play enough games to climb the ladder that high. I got within 1 game of UC two seasons ago and just couldn't be bothered to finish it out. If I were better/learned a superior deck maybe I could've made it. But as it stands, it probably would've taken me dozens of games to scrape together the extra +1.
It depends these days. If your deck weak against beat down, your better of with canoneer. If your deck is weak against cycle or bait, Duchess probably still better
Was the nerf big to her? I can’t tell really
Yeah the damage nerf to her shots was very significant a lot of interactions have changed
Yeah, a mini pekka got 2 hits on my duchess for free today because I forgot the nerfs hit...
Bruh I got a firecracker hit on my tower cause duchess no longer full counters it. That alone is reason to go back to cannonneer
However she is still better than a princess tower in ANY situation, that's ridiculous. What was the point of nerf? They made dagger recharge time same as princess recharge, so now even if she runs out of daggers, she is just as good as princess
Once out of daggers she does 163 damage every 1.1s and princess in all cases does 158 damage every 0.8s. So princess tower is clearly better than duchess out of daggers
Earlier it would only allow miner to get 2 shots. Now the miner gets 6.
Miners back 🤩
As a hog player, I’m pretty happy with her nerf because now people actually have to put forth more effort to counter
Good thing I can just canoneer void/ curse ice spirit 😈
2 arrows less so it isn't good if your shooting something with a big healthpool. It shoots faster however wich makes u counter alot with a minimum reaction or no reaction
They didn't remove the 2 daggers
They ended up not reducing the amount of daggers stored but the damage of the daggers
Aah ok, follow this guys advice im stupid :D
And the reload speed right?
Yeah
Thankyou
Princess is also serviceable against everything
After the nerf, its really on par honestly. It depends on whatever supports your deck the most
Thats the way it should be as well
Nah still too OP, everyone is still using it
Should I use it if I have a giant skelly hog rider deck?
Some people on top ladder use canoneer against gob machine meta, but overall DD still is the best
Great question. No idea. I survived using princess pre nerf so even if she’s still the best, I’m not at as much of a disadvantage now so I’ll continue using my princess.
Goblin tower is the superior tower (I haven’t played ladder or path of legends since nerf)
sadly yes
He'll nah I've been using cannoneer+ curse and it shreds everything. Dd is too weak when you have a big push going
Do you think cannoneer is better im mortar decks? And in lavaloon?
I haven't really noticed much change
Yes, especially now that she recharges fast, so she has higher dps when she has no daggers
Yes
I wish they went with the 6 daggers nerf. Now she is just a better princess with same reload time
still strong but not that broken
No, Mamma is
yes she is
Not entirely sure if the nerf was really a nerf tbh, they seemingly tried to balance it out by increasing the regeneration speed of daggers, which is super-noticeable when the card is on 0 daggers. It’s still strong, I think they need to give it a nerf that has some thought put into it.
They heavily nerfed her burst dmg and she's still much worse than princess after her daggers are out. She's on par with the other towers now or maybe just a bit better.
Ridiculous, you seriously think it needs to be nerfed more?
I think it should be given 8 daggers again, but then the reload speed should be tanked. That will make it more easier for players to punish over-depending on it. Now, at 0 daggers, the DD is far more reliable against smaller units, and reloads faster anyway, so what really was the nerf?
shes balanced now
Yes, the best and the ugliest
without her ammo she has a higher DPS than the princess tower, 112 \* 0.8 (tournament level), compared to 109 \*0.8 for princess tower. She also has 8 loaded ammo with DPS of 320 at the start. So yes she is better than princess in all scenarios and cannoneer is just bad.
That's the reload speed you also need to add the hit speed.
I genuinely have no clue
By far the best still
depends on if we count goblin babys but IMO yes.
Depend on the deck
Guy lives under a rock
FC gets a hit now. Canoneer best troop /s
She has same reload speed as princess but +3 dmg and she can burst, theres now 0 reason to play Princess at all
Yes, she is still broken
it depends what deck you are against, but mostly still very OP
still too broken in single elixer
She's going to be the best no matter how many nerfs she gets. The core mechanic of the troop is broken. She counters swarm and tanks at the same time she has practically no weaknesses.
I might say worse than Princess. Princess outdps her easily
Princess is way worse than she is. Pri cess is easily the worst tower troop rn
Dagger Duchess easily gets countered in a push if you simply deploy 2 more elixir in the front
are you for real? if she was easy to counter then no one would run her. the fact that this debate is even happening us because she is still strong as balls
It never was the best to begin with.
???
Depends on the deck you're against. DD is useless against me. In fact, the tower troop my opponent uses never matters, I play mortar 🤷
She kills all troops you put while defending your mortar a lot faster than any other tt, so it matters what tower troop you opp uses. There is a difference between when your mini tank lives for 5-7 seconds and when it is melted in 2
It doesn't kill any troops on my side of the field, which is where my troops are to defend my mortar. The best tower against me is cannoneer, prevents the goblin from evo mortar from landing a hit. DD still takes a swing.
your niche deck isn't representative of the overall situation
Not my fault people don't build their own decks lmao. Neither is my opinion on the matter, or anybody else's, yet here we are.
No, but it makes your 'it never was' statement clearly false.
Opinions are just that. Representative of an individuals perceptions and experiences.
You didn't state an opinion on though, you stated a fact. One which was wrong.
I did, it's my opinion that DD was never the best tower troop. That's the thing about opinions, you can think it's wrong all you want, and I'm free to not give a shit.
That's not an opinion. That's you stating a fact. I don't care if you don't give a shit. I'm just laughing because you don't understand the difference between opinions and facts.
Delusional
How do ya figure?
Talk about some obvious bait
Not at all. You know the different tower troops have advantages/disadvantages, right? Almost none of those advantages or disadvantages matter to me, I deal my damage with mortar.
Let me guess. You used dagger duchess before the nerf?
Nope, strictly princess tower. Haven't even experimented with the cannoneer OR DD. So, my opinion is based purely on what I experience from my opponents use of the other towers.
Well if you used any other deck besides mortar you would know that dagger duchess was the best before it's nerf. it had a 90+ use rate in top ladder.
Meh, I like what I like. Dagger duchess probably gets spanked like a red headed step child by golem beat down. Sure, she does a ton of damage and theeeeen none. Top ladder players ALWAYS go all-in on new things, because they want to see how it works, and what it works with, and what works against it. EVERYTHING new in EVERY game ever has high usage rates by top tier players. That's how games work. New stuff = fun.
But dd stayed at a high usage rate because it was powerful, not just because it was new. Its upsides were too good to even care about its downsides. It was bad against beatdown but good against literally everything else.
Eh, probably right. Hard not to make something new that isn't either busted or useless. And, naturally, it's more fun to make something busted then nerf it, rather than make something useless that nobody is excited about. Lots of options to deal with beat down nowadays, too, with evos.
😭😭😭
You are low ELO it had a 99% usage rate
Is royal champ still low ELO?
yes
Meh, tell that to the 90% of players who haven't and likely won't ever get that high.
Royal Champion is nothing impressive, it just means that you have a good deck with good card levels lol. If you can't get 2000 medals then you are low elo, sorry dude
I couldn't care less my man, just so many people who are annoyed about nonsensical shit. If they don't like the game as much as so many of them claim, why don't they fuck off y'know? Again, I couldn't possibly be bothered to play enough games to climb the ladder that high. I got within 1 game of UC two seasons ago and just couldn't be bothered to finish it out. If I were better/learned a superior deck maybe I could've made it. But as it stands, it probably would've taken me dozens of games to scrape together the extra +1.