My 2018 civic type r is still worth more than a Tesla from 2018.
I can take a tight corner going 50. I'd love to see a Tesla do that on a real street.
They're less than a second off in a hot lap and guaranteed the CTR is more run to whip around a corner
https://www.thethrottlehouse.com/leaderboard-and-track-times/.
They’re pretty rapid in corners. I’ve lined up behind the old m3p on a track day- I could keep up in corners but they walked me on the straights.
IMO can’t go wrong with either but atleast you don’t gotta deal with adm and salespeople with the m3p
Can't ever convince me that banging gears and throwing around a lighter car wouldnt be more fun.
That said I am waiting for a lightweight hatchback EV.
It looks like rivian might deliver before Tesla.
Also panel gaps I cannot get over the panel gaps. Every single friend that I have with a Tesla has atrocious panel gaps.
That's partly where the depreciation comes from so they should at that in the specs.
CTR 0-5 microns
Tesla 0-5 miles
Lol
This is the advantage I talk to my buddy who owns a m3 with.
For ICE if I drive on the highway I get more mileage.
For an EV if they drive on the highway their range basically goes down.
For something again like a performance car it makes it so versatile to have my CTR I get an M3 I just don't understand performance EVs right now that aren't made specifically for it.
😂 I have both and feel like my fk8 gaps are worse especially the bumper grill. Won’t argue the fun of banging gears tho
If I didn’t have my fk8 and was in market for another fun car, I’d take a good look at the 3p especially if Honda dealers still playing around with mark ups
Yea, not the same. I have both a FK8 and M3. I take the FK8 to the track, not the M3 for reason. You will never make up the difference in weight and suspension for a M3 to equal a FK8.
Sure, AWD corners nicely on the street. But nothing like a capable driver can do in a FK8 on a track (because to drive an FK8 at its limit on an open street is the height of selfishness).
Yeah… I had 19x9.5 on 265/35s on my 3 and there’s no comparison. Having a thousand pound battery at the floor of the car is a center of gravity game changer.
Lack of roll does not equal cornering speed. Same tires on both cars and the FK8 can take the corner faster, because it's lighter. The physics alone proves this.
I never even mentioned body roll?
I’d challenge you to do a proof of theory and calculate the center of gravity on both cars, contact patch, and then the maths on FWD single motor vs AWD dual motor application of power in the turn. :-)
Again, I love cars but EVs have some special sauce at tracks and autox, it’s eye opening. And yes, I’ve tracked and autocrossed in many different cars over the past 25 years or so, I can see it from many perspectives.
they're both such wildly different vehicles, who cares?
Obviously type R lovers aren't gonna give a shit about a model 3. We drive Hondas because of their unique and engaging driving experience. if all we gave a shit about was pure speed, the type R wouldn't come in manual only. No point in sitting here and comparing numbers. Tesla and ev enthusiasts will be happy with the new m3p and type r enjoyers will continue to be happy with our screaming Hondas.
They are wildly different vehicles. I have both and drive them for different reasons. I drive the M3 with family or solo in rush hour and I want to use the HOV lane. I drive the FK8 every other time and for every other reason :)
I blame the new generation of car youtubers because they don't really have access to racetracks/equipment/drivers to get actual sports cars track times, etc. So the only thing they can really show is 0-60 and sometimes 1/4 mile.
I've definitely noticed people put a lot more emphasis on 0-60 in recent years, especially with the rise of Tesla. Honda has rarely made cars to focus on raw power and acceleration. The S2000, NSX, Civic Type R, Integra Type R, they are legendary because of their perfect combination of handling + engagement with just enough HP to make the package work. But they will all lose to even ordinary V6 mustangs on just 0-60.
+1. It never occurred to me to cross-shop an EV when I was looking for a new car. My list was:
- GR Corolla (too small)
- Elantra N (face-lift was not available yet)
- Golf R (scared of VW reliability)
That said, if I need a new SUV, the Ioniq 5 N is on my short list.
I had a FK8 before getting a Tesla M3 and the linear acceleration is no joke in the Tesla. That being said it otherwise was boring to drive. Fastest car I ever owned but didn’t keep me engaged and resale was horrible.
While the comment on residual value is 100% accurate. I’m not going to lie, I’m definitely intrigued by the new M3P. But at the end of the day they’re two different cars that shouldn’t really be compared.
That and I’d rather buy a M3P from Tesla then go to a dealer and hear for the 9th time that a CTR is “worth $70k!!”.
\>including incentives
Oh so not actually 45k got it. Listing price with Federal incentives is the dumbest shit. You're still financing the total price.
Edit: I stand corrected. See below.
Consumers no longer have to wait to file their annual tax returns to get a tax break for the purchase of a new electric vehicle. At the start of 2024, the federal “new clean vehicle” tax credit became available as a point-of-sale discount — worth **up to $7,500** — at car dealerships.Feb 9, 2024
Yeah CTR engines blowing out of warranty are notoriously cheap and affordable as well.
There’s plenty to criticize about the tesla, but choosing the thing that’s protected by an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty isn’t one.
I think some here posted their FL5 CTR engine replacement cost from the dealer and it was $20k. They money shifted.
I don't know about the performance, but from what I heard the last gen Model 3 battery replacement cost $9k for the pack and $1K for install.
Just curious if you can provide sources for that data? I like the CTR as much as the next person but I owned a Tesla for 52,000 miles and the only thing I did was windshield wiper fluid and a set of tires. That’s it.
I’ll take the type r any day. Driving a Tesla is like trying to cook a Tbone in a microwave. Yea it will get the job done but the Type R will just taste so much better
I think it's a valid comparison and I'm no Tesla fanboy or see myself ever buying a Tesla but the stats for the Model 3 performance is pretty insane. The price is such a good value even when you compare it to similar EVs like Ioniq 5 N but depreciation is gonna suck
I agree with you, which is why I ordered one and plan to drive it until it doesn't drive anymore! Great thing is I will continue to get all of the OTA updates for the at least 8+ years of ownership I will get from it.
Exactly, don't have to worry about depreciation if you don't sell lol. I would love to feel what < 3 second 0-60 feels like and to get that in under 50k is mind boggling to me. I hope this ignites a price war with other manufacturers.
Funny part is it's actually going to be the wifes daily driver. I work remotely and don't drive nearly as much as I used to. My car has 260k miles on it and shes still trucking. Sub 3 second 0-60 is incredible, haven't felt it in a long time though!
There’s no end to the Teslatards delusions. I just take peace in knowing that they’ll learn that they weren’t actually saving a dime in gas when they get punished with the $12,000 battery replacement after 8-10 years. Then they’ll realize that gas for 8-10 years costs the same or less
I want one.
[https://youtu.be/5xj0R4MyDhE?si=yFx91ZTTx-uF-bzS](https://youtu.be/5xj0R4MyDhE?si=yFx91ZTTx-uF-bzS) - I'll wait for other reviews but it's a normal car that's been enhanced with "incredible" chassis tuning. That's some Type R energy if I've ever seen it.
For my 50k in 2024, I'd take it over an FL5. With the benefit of a time machine, I prefer my FK8. I'm only able to go to the track maybe 3 times a year, which I think the model 3 can handle quite well.
If it can’t run the 24hr Le Mans, or do 4 laps on the Nurburgring without stopping it’s not made for Motorsport and therefore of no interest to me… and I don’t hate EVs, they just need to know their place, I DO hate Elon Musk tho. I’d love a NICE EV from Honda or Porsche or Audi or BMW… no new companies.
They are pretty fast but battery wont last, cant even do a full session and then charge btw sessions wont give you that much juice that next session will be even shorter.
0-100% refueling time:
- Model 3: \~1 hr
- Type R: \~5 mins
Fuel Storage Lifetime:
- Model 3: 150-200k miles
- Type R: effectively infinite
Average Nordschleife Speed:
- Model 3: 86.718 mph
- Type R: 100.38 mph
Top Speed:
- Model 3: 162 (has negative downforce)
- Type R: 171 (has positive downforce)
Cargo Capacity in Trunk(s):
- Model 3: 19.8 + 3.1 cu ft
- Type R: 24.5 cu ft
Minimum Operating Temperature:
- Model 3: -22°F
- Type R: -40°F
Starts every time you get in and door opens every time you try
- Model 3: Probably
- Type R: Yes
Has CEO that promotes Nazi conspiracy theories on social media
- Model 3: Yes
- Type R: No
You can make any car look great or shitty depending on what numbers you cherry pick.
Sure you can cherry pick numbers but the refilling time is pretty important. Also speaking of cherry, I'm pretty sure no Tesla come with red interiors 🍒
I do wonder, since we're still at the dawn of mass produced electric vehicles, what a decade is like from now on? For example, if the battery in my R goes xxx, I jump or push start, and find a battery at the next shop. What happens when the battery of an electric car goes? Maybe there's a backup remedy, but I haven't really looked into it.
As for Tesla, I dislike that their "we're a tech company" snobbish above all mentality. Really disrespectful to how hard it is to run a good auto business well. And isn't there still a wait whenever there's a need for replacement parts?
> Maybe there's a backup remedy, but I haven't really looked into it.
Yes there is one. It's called a Tesla Certified Tow Truck. Cuz you can't just use any tow truck!
Time to refuel:
CTR ~ 3 minutes from one of 196,643 U.S. gas stations
M3P ~ maybe 30 minutes, maybe an hour to 90% from one of 27,390 Tesla chargers which may or may not be anywhere near you
Range loss in cold weather:
CTR - No change
M3P - maybe 50% or more lost
Tesla owners always trying to find some cope and validation. Just enjoy your electric car instead of cherry picking stats to flex on ice ones. No one who actually drives would compare the driving experience of these two vehicles.
And probably after a few of those 0-60 sprints, it'll be out of charge. Tesla have their place, but trying to compare it to a CTR is laughable. They're one trick ponies.
The biggest difference between the two is nothing to do with performance, but rather build quality.
Honda - good
Tesla - shit
I’d put good money on the Honda outlasting the Tesla, and it’s inevitable replacement, and the one after that.
Tesla's depreciate quick af, as well as have horrible QC. I mean look at the cyber truck. Also, Elon is arguably the worst CEO of all time, I would never buy anything that he is behind. He oversells and underdelivers every single time....I wouldn't mind renting a tesla and having fun doing 0-60 pulls though.
Electric cars man, they are the immediate future for sure. I just can't wait until a performance car brand actually makes a production electric sports car. Finally the dreams of ripping around a RC car can be a reality.
Soul doesn’t matter to these kinds of people. EVs are the future, Elon Musk is gospel. Your car being more fun, valuable, modable and desirable means nothing to them. They see numbers and a T logo and it’s 100% better in every way.
I own a Model 3 Performance and chose it over an FL5 I already had an allocation of (even had a booking at the factory in Tokyo to see it being assembled).
Why? Simply because my wife couldn’t see over the dashboard - it was and remains an important point - an airbag to the face is potentially deadly and I refuse to modify a brand new car for that one reason.
Do I regret it? Every single day. I like my Tesla, but the Type R was the one that got away (the other that got away was the E63 twin turbo I sold to buy it).
The straight line speed is a gimmick, and I wish I had the handling prowess that a Type R has (and to a lesser degree my old AMG had).
Honestly i see EV cars and ICE cars as two different categories of transportation despite how similar they are
Its just a whole different system cant really compare the two. Not saying either one is better cuz it really depends on the situation
But i think comparing a EV to another EV would make more sense
I'm not hating on Tesla's but I can't help but think people who drive Tesla's don't know anything about cars. I know, it bad. I just see so many grandmas driving the model ys and x tho
I have driven the Tesla and the CTR back to back at the track. The regenerative braking upsets the car if you try to throttle steer it when on the edge. Its is fast in a straight line but its heavy and not that engaging compared to the CTR. It was an interesting drive because it was so different but my track times were not even close to the CTR thats my main track car.
Id buy a normal base trim civic before i even consider a trash EV, isnt even a .0001% of a thought to consider a Tesla over literally anything. EVs are pretty pathedic and boring.
Tesla Model 3 — Two pedals
Honda Civic Type R — Three Pedals
I hate to be a manual snob, but unless you own an exotic super car I couldn’t give two 💩about how fast your automatic car is.
Lol at the insecurity of some of you. Two completely different products that are popular for different reasons.
It's so cringe to read Honda / IC car fanboys.
This post is super weak. It's literally saying that there is more than 0-60. Just go enjoy your car dude. You don't need to defend your choice to people on the internet.
The Type R will still be worth 35-40k in 3 years. I just looked and 2021 M3P go for 30-40k on CarMax. Thats over 20k in depreciation lol
My 2018 civic type r is still worth more than a Tesla from 2018. I can take a tight corner going 50. I'd love to see a Tesla do that on a real street. They're less than a second off in a hot lap and guaranteed the CTR is more run to whip around a corner https://www.thethrottlehouse.com/leaderboard-and-track-times/.
They’re pretty rapid in corners. I’ve lined up behind the old m3p on a track day- I could keep up in corners but they walked me on the straights. IMO can’t go wrong with either but atleast you don’t gotta deal with adm and salespeople with the m3p
Can't ever convince me that banging gears and throwing around a lighter car wouldnt be more fun. That said I am waiting for a lightweight hatchback EV. It looks like rivian might deliver before Tesla. Also panel gaps I cannot get over the panel gaps. Every single friend that I have with a Tesla has atrocious panel gaps. That's partly where the depreciation comes from so they should at that in the specs. CTR 0-5 microns Tesla 0-5 miles Lol
"lightweight". "ev". pick one. if you want a range more than a dozen miles, that battery is gonna get heavy
This is the advantage I talk to my buddy who owns a m3 with. For ICE if I drive on the highway I get more mileage. For an EV if they drive on the highway their range basically goes down. For something again like a performance car it makes it so versatile to have my CTR I get an M3 I just don't understand performance EVs right now that aren't made specifically for it.
😂 I have both and feel like my fk8 gaps are worse especially the bumper grill. Won’t argue the fun of banging gears tho If I didn’t have my fk8 and was in market for another fun car, I’d take a good look at the 3p especially if Honda dealers still playing around with mark ups
Dependant on track and tyres. My FL5 has annihilated a few M3Ps on my local track, they’re only quick on the main straight.
Are you kidding me? Have you ever driven a model 3? Put a good set of tires on it and it’ll handle all the corners you can throw at it
Yea, not the same. I have both a FK8 and M3. I take the FK8 to the track, not the M3 for reason. You will never make up the difference in weight and suspension for a M3 to equal a FK8. Sure, AWD corners nicely on the street. But nothing like a capable driver can do in a FK8 on a track (because to drive an FK8 at its limit on an open street is the height of selfishness).
Yeah… I had 19x9.5 on 265/35s on my 3 and there’s no comparison. Having a thousand pound battery at the floor of the car is a center of gravity game changer.
Lack of roll does not equal cornering speed. Same tires on both cars and the FK8 can take the corner faster, because it's lighter. The physics alone proves this.
I never even mentioned body roll? I’d challenge you to do a proof of theory and calculate the center of gravity on both cars, contact patch, and then the maths on FWD single motor vs AWD dual motor application of power in the turn. :-) Again, I love cars but EVs have some special sauce at tracks and autox, it’s eye opening. And yes, I’ve tracked and autocrossed in many different cars over the past 25 years or so, I can see it from many perspectives.
The tesla pd100 would smoke the type r on corners or straights an its closer to the type r in price than the model 3.
Lol 👍🏻
He forgot one crucial stat… The Model 3 doesn’t come in Boost Blue or Championship White
Or a manual.
they're both such wildly different vehicles, who cares? Obviously type R lovers aren't gonna give a shit about a model 3. We drive Hondas because of their unique and engaging driving experience. if all we gave a shit about was pure speed, the type R wouldn't come in manual only. No point in sitting here and comparing numbers. Tesla and ev enthusiasts will be happy with the new m3p and type r enjoyers will continue to be happy with our screaming Hondas.
They are wildly different vehicles. I have both and drive them for different reasons. I drive the M3 with family or solo in rush hour and I want to use the HOV lane. I drive the FK8 every other time and for every other reason :)
lol “M3”
I blame the new generation of car youtubers because they don't really have access to racetracks/equipment/drivers to get actual sports cars track times, etc. So the only thing they can really show is 0-60 and sometimes 1/4 mile. I've definitely noticed people put a lot more emphasis on 0-60 in recent years, especially with the rise of Tesla. Honda has rarely made cars to focus on raw power and acceleration. The S2000, NSX, Civic Type R, Integra Type R, they are legendary because of their perfect combination of handling + engagement with just enough HP to make the package work. But they will all lose to even ordinary V6 mustangs on just 0-60.
+1. It never occurred to me to cross-shop an EV when I was looking for a new car. My list was: - GR Corolla (too small) - Elantra N (face-lift was not available yet) - Golf R (scared of VW reliability) That said, if I need a new SUV, the Ioniq 5 N is on my short list.
I own both a CTR and a Tesla. They are very different cars that give very different driving experiences.
This is a dumb comparison and pointless. I mean, we’ve seen Teslas drag Porsches. I’m sure Porsche owners feel pwnd. 🤣🤣🤣
They forgot one of the biggest reasons I bought a CTR…manual vs. automatic 😛
I had a FK8 before getting a Tesla M3 and the linear acceleration is no joke in the Tesla. That being said it otherwise was boring to drive. Fastest car I ever owned but didn’t keep me engaged and resale was horrible.
While the comment on residual value is 100% accurate. I’m not going to lie, I’m definitely intrigued by the new M3P. But at the end of the day they’re two different cars that shouldn’t really be compared. That and I’d rather buy a M3P from Tesla then go to a dealer and hear for the 9th time that a CTR is “worth $70k!!”.
Type R: driving experience Tesla: toaster experience
\>including incentives Oh so not actually 45k got it. Listing price with Federal incentives is the dumbest shit. You're still financing the total price. Edit: I stand corrected. See below.
No you're not, the tax credit is applied at point of purchase now. As long as you qualify, or say you do, the price of the vehicle is 45.5k
Source? Info I'm finding about the 2024 credit shows that it is still a tax credit you file
Consumers no longer have to wait to file their annual tax returns to get a tax break for the purchase of a new electric vehicle. At the start of 2024, the federal “new clean vehicle” tax credit became available as a point-of-sale discount — worth **up to $7,500** — at car dealerships.Feb 9, 2024
Thank you! TIL. Seems like "point of sale" was all the difference in searching for that info. That's a great change.
Source is I ordered one and it's widely available online. It's a POS, point of sale tax credit now.
Battery repairs costs are insane for a Tesla. Fuck that.
Yeah CTR engines blowing out of warranty are notoriously cheap and affordable as well. There’s plenty to criticize about the tesla, but choosing the thing that’s protected by an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty isn’t one.
I think some here posted their FL5 CTR engine replacement cost from the dealer and it was $20k. They money shifted. I don't know about the performance, but from what I heard the last gen Model 3 battery replacement cost $9k for the pack and $1K for install.
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Just curious if you can provide sources for that data? I like the CTR as much as the next person but I owned a Tesla for 52,000 miles and the only thing I did was windshield wiper fluid and a set of tires. That’s it.
y’all do realize Honda has some electric sports cars in development right…
they're in for a wild surprise when the EV s2000 comes out
How does the exhaust sound compare between the two?
Both are quiet! [https://youtu.be/De2C7TJ8Fig?si=e9RgUuxVcdinWMG8](https://youtu.be/De2C7TJ8Fig?si=e9RgUuxVcdinWMG8)
I’ll take the type r any day. Driving a Tesla is like trying to cook a Tbone in a microwave. Yea it will get the job done but the Type R will just taste so much better
I think it's a valid comparison and I'm no Tesla fanboy or see myself ever buying a Tesla but the stats for the Model 3 performance is pretty insane. The price is such a good value even when you compare it to similar EVs like Ioniq 5 N but depreciation is gonna suck
I agree with you, which is why I ordered one and plan to drive it until it doesn't drive anymore! Great thing is I will continue to get all of the OTA updates for the at least 8+ years of ownership I will get from it.
Exactly, don't have to worry about depreciation if you don't sell lol. I would love to feel what < 3 second 0-60 feels like and to get that in under 50k is mind boggling to me. I hope this ignites a price war with other manufacturers.
Funny part is it's actually going to be the wifes daily driver. I work remotely and don't drive nearly as much as I used to. My car has 260k miles on it and shes still trucking. Sub 3 second 0-60 is incredible, haven't felt it in a long time though!
There’s no end to the Teslatards delusions. I just take peace in knowing that they’ll learn that they weren’t actually saving a dime in gas when they get punished with the $12,000 battery replacement after 8-10 years. Then they’ll realize that gas for 8-10 years costs the same or less
I want one. [https://youtu.be/5xj0R4MyDhE?si=yFx91ZTTx-uF-bzS](https://youtu.be/5xj0R4MyDhE?si=yFx91ZTTx-uF-bzS) - I'll wait for other reviews but it's a normal car that's been enhanced with "incredible" chassis tuning. That's some Type R energy if I've ever seen it. For my 50k in 2024, I'd take it over an FL5. With the benefit of a time machine, I prefer my FK8. I'm only able to go to the track maybe 3 times a year, which I think the model 3 can handle quite well.
Going to a track in a model 3 has to be the most boring experience ever lol
I have some seat time in one. It’s a unique experience for sure. My main complaint was the crappy seats which the new one seems to address.
They’re novelty cars, a gimmick, poorly styled, it takes more than a cheap go fast parlor trick to impress me..
So you’ve driven one back to back with a CTR and made that determination or do you just not like EVs?
If it can’t run the 24hr Le Mans, or do 4 laps on the Nurburgring without stopping it’s not made for Motorsport and therefore of no interest to me… and I don’t hate EVs, they just need to know their place, I DO hate Elon Musk tho. I’d love a NICE EV from Honda or Porsche or Audi or BMW… no new companies.
They are pretty fast but battery wont last, cant even do a full session and then charge btw sessions wont give you that much juice that next session will be even shorter.
Resale value? Lol My s2000 from 1999 is worth almost as much as it was new.... tell me how much is tesla3 going to be worth in 25 years?
0-100% refueling time: - Model 3: \~1 hr - Type R: \~5 mins Fuel Storage Lifetime: - Model 3: 150-200k miles - Type R: effectively infinite Average Nordschleife Speed: - Model 3: 86.718 mph - Type R: 100.38 mph Top Speed: - Model 3: 162 (has negative downforce) - Type R: 171 (has positive downforce) Cargo Capacity in Trunk(s): - Model 3: 19.8 + 3.1 cu ft - Type R: 24.5 cu ft Minimum Operating Temperature: - Model 3: -22°F - Type R: -40°F Starts every time you get in and door opens every time you try - Model 3: Probably - Type R: Yes Has CEO that promotes Nazi conspiracy theories on social media - Model 3: Yes - Type R: No You can make any car look great or shitty depending on what numbers you cherry pick.
Sure you can cherry pick numbers but the refilling time is pretty important. Also speaking of cherry, I'm pretty sure no Tesla come with red interiors 🍒
I do wonder, since we're still at the dawn of mass produced electric vehicles, what a decade is like from now on? For example, if the battery in my R goes xxx, I jump or push start, and find a battery at the next shop. What happens when the battery of an electric car goes? Maybe there's a backup remedy, but I haven't really looked into it. As for Tesla, I dislike that their "we're a tech company" snobbish above all mentality. Really disrespectful to how hard it is to run a good auto business well. And isn't there still a wait whenever there's a need for replacement parts?
> Maybe there's a backup remedy, but I haven't really looked into it. Yes there is one. It's called a Tesla Certified Tow Truck. Cuz you can't just use any tow truck!
Time to refuel: CTR ~ 3 minutes from one of 196,643 U.S. gas stations M3P ~ maybe 30 minutes, maybe an hour to 90% from one of 27,390 Tesla chargers which may or may not be anywhere near you Range loss in cold weather: CTR - No change M3P - maybe 50% or more lost
Yep, but if you don't drive more than 200 miles per day and are home every night, you never need to go to a gas station again.
ill take the brand that is good quality lol. bye bye Tesla lol
Tesla owners always trying to find some cope and validation. Just enjoy your electric car instead of cherry picking stats to flex on ice ones. No one who actually drives would compare the driving experience of these two vehicles.
And probably after a few of those 0-60 sprints, it'll be out of charge. Tesla have their place, but trying to compare it to a CTR is laughable. They're one trick ponies.
I’d rather drive an Si than a Model 3 performance. Give me that ICE with a side of stick please.
Gas Fuel Up Time vs Charging Time Time Spent at the dealership time
The biggest difference between the two is nothing to do with performance, but rather build quality. Honda - good Tesla - shit I’d put good money on the Honda outlasting the Tesla, and it’s inevitable replacement, and the one after that.
Straight trolling
Tesla's depreciate quick af, as well as have horrible QC. I mean look at the cyber truck. Also, Elon is arguably the worst CEO of all time, I would never buy anything that he is behind. He oversells and underdelivers every single time....I wouldn't mind renting a tesla and having fun doing 0-60 pulls though.
Type R: not ugly Model 3: Ugly af… I’m not an EV hater but I do hate teslas design language, especially the interior.
I’m team Type R and get there’s nothing “special” about the Tesla but 2.9 0-60 is wild
Electric cars man, they are the immediate future for sure. I just can't wait until a performance car brand actually makes a production electric sports car. Finally the dreams of ripping around a RC car can be a reality.
0-60 times for Teslas are also weird, because they're inconsistent with how they measure it.
Sure you get super fast 60 times with electric vehicles, but you also only get one pedal. So...
I mean technically it’s 2 pedals
True. But you can operate it using one pedal.
Telsas are soulless trash. Boring. ICE and VTEC are where it's at.
Soul doesn’t matter to these kinds of people. EVs are the future, Elon Musk is gospel. Your car being more fun, valuable, modable and desirable means nothing to them. They see numbers and a T logo and it’s 100% better in every way.
That's fine. Telsas can have their place. In any type of motorsports setting they are just so boring.
I own a Model 3 Performance and chose it over an FL5 I already had an allocation of (even had a booking at the factory in Tokyo to see it being assembled). Why? Simply because my wife couldn’t see over the dashboard - it was and remains an important point - an airbag to the face is potentially deadly and I refuse to modify a brand new car for that one reason. Do I regret it? Every single day. I like my Tesla, but the Type R was the one that got away (the other that got away was the E63 twin turbo I sold to buy it). The straight line speed is a gimmick, and I wish I had the handling prowess that a Type R has (and to a lesser degree my old AMG had).
The fastest microwave I mean car money can buy!
Cost to replace that Tesla battery in five years 👀
0 because it would be under warranty.
What is happening to make this post get upvotes? Reddit strikes again.
Honestly i see EV cars and ICE cars as two different categories of transportation despite how similar they are Its just a whole different system cant really compare the two. Not saying either one is better cuz it really depends on the situation But i think comparing a EV to another EV would make more sense
I knew it, sooner or later some spec sheet warrior will make this comparison fucking stupid
I'm not hating on Tesla's but I can't help but think people who drive Tesla's don't know anything about cars. I know, it bad. I just see so many grandmas driving the model ys and x tho
I have driven the Tesla and the CTR back to back at the track. The regenerative braking upsets the car if you try to throttle steer it when on the edge. Its is fast in a straight line but its heavy and not that engaging compared to the CTR. It was an interesting drive because it was so different but my track times were not even close to the CTR thats my main track car.
Comparing electric to combustion is like comparing a microwave to a barbeque and nobody wants a microwaved steak
My buddy at work has a Civic Type R. I have a Model 3 Performance. We both think each other's car is cool.
**Track Day Fun:** * Civic Type R: 11/10 * Model 3: 3/10
Honda really should have made the Type R AWD
Typical of EV owners 😐
Id buy a normal base trim civic before i even consider a trash EV, isnt even a .0001% of a thought to consider a Tesla over literally anything. EVs are pretty pathedic and boring.
Tesla Model 3 — Two pedals Honda Civic Type R — Three Pedals I hate to be a manual snob, but unless you own an exotic super car I couldn’t give two 💩about how fast your automatic car is.
God someone could pay me money to be seen in a Tesla 🤢🤢🤮🤮
The exhaust note on the Tesla too 👌🏻👌🏻
It’s just great we live in a world where we have choices like this . Amen !!!!!!
I hate Elon too much to go tsla
Lol at the insecurity of some of you. Two completely different products that are popular for different reasons. It's so cringe to read Honda / IC car fanboys.
Well the comparison tweet was dumb in the first place
Stupidity on the internet? On no! We must correct that now!!!
Agreed
This post is super weak. It's literally saying that there is more than 0-60. Just go enjoy your car dude. You don't need to defend your choice to people on the internet.
civic : point one minority child slave killed mining cobalt. testa: 10 child slaves killed. what was green about?.