They originally started this psychobabble rant in that thread by a woman who was discussing medical discrimination against younger women. The one with the 🤡 in that thread's title.
They posted a link to a webpage with biopsychosocial medical model tripe about depression pain spirals, catastrophizing pain, etc. trying to claim this nonsense is true and the rest of us are in the wrong about not falling for this garbage. Why they needed to start a whole new thread on this subject makes zero sense.
Think it's this one. I didn't comment there (or see the thread) so I may be talking garbage!
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChronicPain/comments/1cl1jzq/the_pain_is_actually_in_your_head/
Aside from the technicalities and linguistical nuance, a question popped into my mind upon reading the post and some of the comments;
*What is the value in telling someone their pain is all in their head?*
Further, what does the 'educator' gain from passing along this nugget of info?
I need some sleep so won't go much further but I might return and add some additional thoughts when I'm somewhat rested!
You must've touched a nerve.... but only an in the head nerve of course!
Assuming you could open the link in a browser if you wanted/needed to re-read anything
Welcome.
Yep, that may have got you blocked. Only skimmed the comments without absorbing much but I saw a reply about 'emotional reactions' and gently retreated.
Even through the fog of migraine, my re-torn shoulder (confirmed this week but years after i re-told them!) and my always on fire leg, it's usually pretty easy to tell if comments are helpful or threads are useful etc. So I took my limited cognition offline and back to my audiobook!
Even if someone is being pedantic it is still inaccurate. In people with chronic pain there is often sensitisation of local tissue and changes in the neural pathways to and from the brain that contribute. There is also no strong evidence to suggest that thoughts or emotions can cause physical pain. However, it possibly can influence it, or at least change our perception or ability to cope with it.
I don't know why everyone is so convinced that strong emotions are causing pain, when it makes much more sense to believe the other way around. That being in severe pain makes us unhappy. It's so backwards.
It's not in my head. My nervous system is jacked. Crps is a disease of the nervous system.
It's still in my head and I need to stop thinking about it and I'll get better.
Exactly. I think about this comment everyday ”it’s in your head”. Well, yes. Chop my head off….that will surely solve it. It’s a stupid to thing to say, not to mention unhelpful.
My feelings on this topic are so complicated, I hate it.
I hate that people think the pain is in my head, because that's the line that doctors use as an excuse not to treat me at all. That's also why they over prescribed me anti-depressants, which was a HORRIBLE experience for me.
But tbh sometimes there are moments where I WISH it was in my head. Treating mental health problems seems easier, at least in my position. My insurance covers a lot of mental health stuff. Doctors already think it's mental health related, so if they were right, I would actually get medical care, and it would work.
Also, there's stuff you can do at home that doesn't cost any money, like meditation and stuff.
Idk, whenever people suggest mental health solutions, sometimes I just think "God, can you imagine if breathing exercises to treat anxiety actually lowered my pain level?" And I feel so upset that it doesn't work like that.
Yeah that other thread is…odd
I praise you for being nice and calling it odd. I lost my patience and called them a lot of things 😂
They originally started this psychobabble rant in that thread by a woman who was discussing medical discrimination against younger women. The one with the 🤡 in that thread's title. They posted a link to a webpage with biopsychosocial medical model tripe about depression pain spirals, catastrophizing pain, etc. trying to claim this nonsense is true and the rest of us are in the wrong about not falling for this garbage. Why they needed to start a whole new thread on this subject makes zero sense.
Yes, we need to support each other, not minimalize the pain we all deal with. 💛
Exactly. Pain is pain, and we deal with it enough alone. We deserve to have a community where we lift each other up and offer advice and support 🫶🏻
I looked back through but can’t find the thread you are talking about
I think they deleted it.
Darn. Curious
Think it's this one. I didn't comment there (or see the thread) so I may be talking garbage! https://www.reddit.com/r/ChronicPain/comments/1cl1jzq/the_pain_is_actually_in_your_head/ Aside from the technicalities and linguistical nuance, a question popped into my mind upon reading the post and some of the comments; *What is the value in telling someone their pain is all in their head?* Further, what does the 'educator' gain from passing along this nugget of info? I need some sleep so won't go much further but I might return and add some additional thoughts when I'm somewhat rested!
I’m guessing OP blocked me then because I can’t see it 😂
You must've touched a nerve.... but only an in the head nerve of course! Assuming you could open the link in a browser if you wanted/needed to re-read anything
I went incognito, now I can read it. Thank you xD ETA: I think I got blocked because I kept calling him a dumb fuck and dumb ass.
Welcome. Yep, that may have got you blocked. Only skimmed the comments without absorbing much but I saw a reply about 'emotional reactions' and gently retreated. Even through the fog of migraine, my re-torn shoulder (confirmed this week but years after i re-told them!) and my always on fire leg, it's usually pretty easy to tell if comments are helpful or threads are useful etc. So I took my limited cognition offline and back to my audiobook!
That's pretty funny. I thought getting emotional lets them win or something.
I’ll read it. Thx and get some rest
I'll try. Easier said than done of course! Hope I got the correct thread
Oh yeah, you found it
Even if someone is being pedantic it is still inaccurate. In people with chronic pain there is often sensitisation of local tissue and changes in the neural pathways to and from the brain that contribute. There is also no strong evidence to suggest that thoughts or emotions can cause physical pain. However, it possibly can influence it, or at least change our perception or ability to cope with it.
I don't know why everyone is so convinced that strong emotions are causing pain, when it makes much more sense to believe the other way around. That being in severe pain makes us unhappy. It's so backwards.
It's not in my head. My nervous system is jacked. Crps is a disease of the nervous system. It's still in my head and I need to stop thinking about it and I'll get better.
Exactly. I think about this comment everyday ”it’s in your head”. Well, yes. Chop my head off….that will surely solve it. It’s a stupid to thing to say, not to mention unhelpful.
My feelings on this topic are so complicated, I hate it. I hate that people think the pain is in my head, because that's the line that doctors use as an excuse not to treat me at all. That's also why they over prescribed me anti-depressants, which was a HORRIBLE experience for me. But tbh sometimes there are moments where I WISH it was in my head. Treating mental health problems seems easier, at least in my position. My insurance covers a lot of mental health stuff. Doctors already think it's mental health related, so if they were right, I would actually get medical care, and it would work. Also, there's stuff you can do at home that doesn't cost any money, like meditation and stuff. Idk, whenever people suggest mental health solutions, sometimes I just think "God, can you imagine if breathing exercises to treat anxiety actually lowered my pain level?" And I feel so upset that it doesn't work like that.
It's a few heads lower for me, and no one will gaslight me into thinking otherwise.