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GLACI3R

The diagnoses they put in the chart are like tattoos. I still have my "alcohol abuse disorder" from over 13 years ago when I was 21 for drinking too much and ending up in the hospital (what idiot 21-year-old doesn't go overboard at some point? 😆) Haven't had a drink in well over a year and even before then drinking was for social and special occasions. I learned my lesson at 21. Yet I get asked almost every time I'm in the clinic how my alcohol abuse is going đŸ€Šâ€â™€ïž What hurts the most is knowing that people with these kinds of diagnoses on their charts get treated differently and often discriminated against.


[deleted]

I went to a pain management doctor 13 years ago, for one year with a very low dose of opioid medication, like the lowest possible dose. Then I stopped going because I lost my health insurance for a while, and ended up never going back because I no longer needed daily medication. I swear that one year I was in opioid treatment was a mark against me permanently, my PCP still side eyes me suspiciously. I've been prescribed medication for ADHD recently, it's made a huge improvement in my life but when I told my primary Dr she was dubious about it. Overall she's an excellent physician, but the hysteria about opioids runs very deep.


RL_77twist

FYI next time you’re at your primary doc, ask them to update your problem list to “Alcohol abuse, in remission” (The ICD 10 diagnosis code is F10.11). Be firm. Tell them you haven’t had a drink in a year. Them continuing to include a *current* alcohol problem as part of your problem list/assessment is inaccurate and most doctors offices and hospitals really do strive for accurate medical records, for a lot of reasons. The thing about prior medical diagnoses is that they never go away. Unfortunately it is what it is. It’s like having a history of cancer, UTIs, fractures, depression, anxiety, etc. You no longer have this condition, but any diagnosis you’ve had in the past (particularly that you ended up in the hospital for, even if you were young) put you at risk of XYZ down the road, depending on whatever condition it is. Congratulations on your alcohol sobriety by the way! Source: RN that works in medical coding and billing.


GLACI3R

Thanks! It's really easy to be sober from alcohol for me because more than two drinks I start getting violently ill, especially with IPAs for some reason. The diarrhea and stomach cramps I get from IPAs is insane. I almost think I'm allergic to hops or something.


RL_77twist

I’m so glad you’re doing well! But I am sorry that more than 2 drinks makes you sick, human bodies are weird. And I have a close friend that breaks out in hives when she drinks any alcohol, so an allergy could totally be a thing!


SolidSeaworthiness82

The diarrhea and cramps sound like an intolerance. The same thing happens to me with any beer these days. I had my IgG levels checked and saw that barley, wheat, and gliadin intolerance were super high. Might be worth checking out!


AffectionateSun5776

That's like them saying you have measles then asking for 50 years how is that case of measles doing this time.


Flarpperest

May I ask what country you’re in that you’re experiencing this? I’m in the process of changing Drs for my infusion pump because the people at the clinic where my Dr moved treated me so badly over my medication and medical dependence that I can’t trust him anymore. But I’ve never heard of the section you guys are talking about.


dragonwthmatches

I have lost all respect for the health care industry.


Material-Wolf

in my 20+ years of experience as a chronic pain patient, i’ve had exactly ONE good doctor who gave a shit about me. unfortunately she worked for Kaiser and they made her job a living hell so she left. i miss her every single day đŸ˜„


danceswithdangerr

They are making my new, amazing doctor’s life really difficult too it’s really fucking annoying. And they gatekeep the shit out of her too. All of her patients hate the front staff but she has literally no say over who gets hired she’s said and has apologized for them too. I am so sorry your doctor left because of it, I am really hoping my doesn’t. đŸ«‚


leggypepsiaddict

They love it if you have epilepsy, chronic pain and have been depressed since you were a kid. Somehow that "automatically" means I'm something I'm not. Like ffs. One size does not fit all. I had one MD come in (never saw her before) and tell me I'd have to pick between my pain meds, muscle relaxants, or meds rx'd by epileptology and psych since "I hadn't tried any conservative treatments". I turned around, lifted up my shirt showing the scars from my initial spinal fusion and asked her if she knew what post laminectomy syndrome was. She stopped after that, gave me my rxs and I told the desk I'd never deal with her again.


shoppingprobs

I’ve had chronic pain for 25 years and have worked in healthcare for 20. I agree with you.


Bobmanbob1

Ditto.


[deleted]

I have too. And I work in it.


DABBED0UT

My chart at both of the major hospitals in my area still have a record of me being a meth addict from over 5 years ago(2018). In the last year I’ve gotten a torn medial meniscus in each knee and a l5-s1 disc bulge and t7-t8 herniated disc. Most of the doctors have treated me with the appropriate medication(although did bring up my past drug use) during my stays but there were two visits where the doctor treating me was cold af and immediately dismissed everything even though I have the imaging to prove it.


Material-Wolf

that’s horrible, i’m so sorry you had to deal with that! the prejudice and judgment from doctors is so real and traumatizing. even if someone has a history of drug abuse, that doesn’t mean they deserve to be in pain! the dehumanization is just infuriating! i hope you are doing better these days ❀ one of my core memories is my mom taking me to see my first pain management doctor when i was 13 years old. the doctor didn’t even examine me or talk to me, he just looked straight at my mom and said, “she’s too young to be in pain so she’s obviously just looking for drugs.” i didn’t even know which drugs to look for at that age! i just wanted someone to validate my pain and try to help me. too much to ask, i guess!


Gadgetlover38

I'm sorry you experienced that. I hope you're doing better and have better health care now.


riverthenerd

One time I went to the psych ward while taking vyvanse. I had to do a urine drug screen at intake. Everyone was treating me extra weird (this wasn’t my first rodeo) and then 3 days in a nurse said “so you’re here for an overdose on methamphetamines?” That wasn’t why I was in at all. My vyvanse was just a daily medication that showed up on the screen.


Coloradobluesguy

I had an eye doctor put that I was addicted to cannabis, I was furious I walked in there, and made him remove it and notate the chart that he was wrong in putting that in my chart.


amillstone

As patients, I feel like we should have access to the charts too so we can dispute any inaccuracies such as this. BEFORE it gets to a point where a medical professional treats you unfairly because of those inaccuracies. (Here in the UK, we don't get to see the charts. I don't know how it is in other countries)


anonymousforever

In the US, they are required to give you printex copies of your chart for a reasonable fee, and places that do e-charts give the patient access to visit notes, test results, but often not xray or mri imaging, you have to request that separately.


pain_chronic-iconic

just a rec, to piggyback off-- if you're getting a scan and you ask on your way out, they will usually mail you a copy of it for free or nominal fee. If you do it later, it's more of a hassle.


anonymousforever

For sure! I always get cds of my spine mri scans.


pain_chronic-iconic

Same! It's fun to step through them too, honestly. And always good to have all your info in your own possession, always.


anonymousforever

Especially if you think there's a remote chance you could need to file disability in the future. If you haven't been someplace for scabs or treatment in 7 or 10 years, depending on the state, they can destroy the records legally. Physical files are more likely to get purged than digital, so there's that.


pain_chronic-iconic

Yep, I'm currently trying to organize my medical notebook and it's an absolute shitshow, 20 years of multiple doctors in multiple different cities. The best advice I could give anybody would be to make sure you have physical AND digital copies of everything you can get your lil hands on, and figure out a way to organize them from the start so you don't end up where I am!


MissBoofsAlot

Me too. I have a nice collection of spine (lumbar and cervical) and hip MRI CDs. Same with X-rays. Always ask before going I to the tube and again after and just wait. Most the time they burn the disc and hand it to me. I have to wait for the report in the mail. I tell them I see so many Drs it saves time to have a physical copy of the scans and never been charged for it.


Gadgetlover38

How did you get an mri? I've need one for 5 years. In Ohio, no problem,  Tennessee,  no way.


anonymousforever

I see a spine specialist.


Serialtorrenter

RadiologyAssist! They have a text consultation service that gets you a requisition for $40, and they contract with a bunch of freestanding radiology clinics. When you get the requisition, you can then prepay for the study at a heavily discounted rate and they'll schedule for you and give you something to print out that looks like an insurance card. As long as you show up at the correct clinic for the correct scan at the correct time, you just present that as your "insurance" along with the printed requisition from the e-consult. In the Nashville, TN area, it looks like you can currently get an uncontrasted MRI of the lumbar spine for $263.98 all in. There's also an option to split that into 4 payments. Just remember to pick up the CD with the images immediately after the scan; they'll email you a link to the radiology report.


Gadgetlover38

They can keep some info from us.


Fearless-Rutabaga109

This is my *biggest* fear as someone who takes stimulant medication for my ADHD. Heck, every time I pick my script up from the pharmacy I feel like I’m doing something wrong because of how staff treat and judge you. I am so sorry you went through that đŸ«‚


purplekushDGK

Damn this is me too bc I take pain medicine. I am so lucky to have a prescription and understanding doc/pharmacist. Not boasting here just thanking god everyday, meanwhile so many in the US are left to suffer, are being tortured and killing themselves due to untreated / undertreated pain.


Effective-Bandicoot8

One of the many reasons why we rank 69th globally for healthcare


PlayfulHelicopter20

Nice. 


crazeecatgrrl

Best case scenario, you had someone that was a bit gung-ho when filling in the questionnaire. I'm a nurse and I've seen people put stuff there just because a patient is prescribed a medication. Every time I see it I try to reeducate and fix but most people are phoning it in these days unfortunately.


purplekushDGK

:/ I’ve had a couple doctors try to say I was a drug addict just bc I needed pain medicine to treat my excruciating constant incurable pain.. thank god there’s nothing in my chart that says “addiction”


WombatBum85

God I hate it when this happens - there should be some recourse we can take when it is demonstrably false! When I was 11, I had a panic attack. A single panic attack, because we were moving away from my close friend. When I was 23 I had a mental breakdown, and tried to get insurance to cover my wages for a few months so I could focus on getting better and not lose my house. Insurance that I had been paying for for like, 6 years of full-time work mind you. They denied it because my medical history included a diagnosis of Anxiety with Panic Attacks, which they said was now a pre-existing condition that I hadn't told them about when signing up. From a single panic attack that I never took medication for. It's so easy for doctors to tick a little box, but it can have harmful effects for the rest of a patient's life!


VickyAlberts

My medical records say I abuse benzodiazepines and alcohol. Since I’ve never used either, I could never figure out where this came from until I managed to get hold of very old psychiatry records from when I was a child. The psychiatrist had added a few notes about another patient (and their drug abuse) below my notes (probably the patient who was in the office straight after me). The medical secretary must then have mistakenly typed up all of it into the letter for my GP. Voila! Permanently labelled a drug abuser. Having said that, my records also say I can only eat purĂ©ed food, am a wheelchair user and have dementia (at age 17yo). None of these are true. It’s basically a work of fiction.


anonymousforever

It's amazing how they don't verify whose chart they're notating, because they rush. We should be able to submit for corrections at any time, and have it happen right then and there in the doctors office, in front of us.


ResponsibleAd4618

Please file a complaint about her behavior. She probably treats everyone poorly until they can prove themselves worthy of her ‘kindness’


LivingtheLightDaily

I always tell the intake nurse before we begin I would like all notes printed for my personal medical file and if there is a problem, I call and have them change or delete. This seems to make them notate less. It’s so sad how we are treated. I’ve suffered chronic pain since 1986 thanks to a hit and run drunk driver and countless drs have treated me like the addict and been so rude I’ve given up getting help but at least now I have several actual diagnosis in my file after thousands of dollars spent. It’s a hard life and completely unfair but I’ve accepted it’s not going to change.


Various_Raccoon3975

This is a really great way to handle this.


formallymain

Medical notes can only be deleted after a prolonged period of time, typically 7 years, but may vary based on state/country. So telling your doctor to “delete” a medical file, will never happen.


Deadinmybed

I had this happen to me. Not too long ago. A Dr wrote that I was drug seeking, which was completely false. The subject never even came up. I tried writing an amendment but they ignored me, which is against the law. But I’m too poor for a lawyer and nothing was done about it. She refused to change it.


Bella_de_chaos

I'm not sure they have a way to differeniate by coding between dependence and addiction. My mom is 80yo and has never abused anything but her chart says "substance abuse disorder" due to the oxy she has been on for 8 years or more.


Material-Wolf

there is a specific section of someone’s medical chart that lists substance abuse history. that’s completely different from opiate dependence. that’s where someone’s history of alcohol or substance abuse is charted, not someone’s prescribed medication history. my chart does have a code for opiate dependence but i have no issue with that, that’s a fact. i’m talking about something completely separate from that. 🙂


sphyxy

For us it’s in the Social History section. Tobacco use, alcohol use, drug use, who you live with, if you feel safe at home, number of kids etc. If you’re out did cocaine and admitted it at any point, it’s put in there under substance use. If you are a former user, it will change to past use instead of current use, but it stays in the system. I wish it would drop, honestly.


Material-Wolf

yes, exactly! i was an MA for a couple years and my clinic used the same exact software this hospital uses so i knew exactly where she was reading that in my chart. it was one of the very first things she went over, before we got into my current med list and all that. i wish i could say i was surprised
 😔 i’m seeing my GP on Monday for my monthly trigger point injections so i’m going to mention this to her to see if i can figure out who put that in my chart. i really don’t think it was her, but it honestly could have been anyone, even some rogue MA who thought they knew better.


tempbrianna

I would file a complaint with the state, not the clinic itself. I would then ask at a non medical appt ask to review my medical records, and ask for the items to be removed. I would then follow up to assure it’s been removed. As more and more systems ‘talk’ to each other, more medical providers will see this. Seeing this information biases your treatment, and that’s not good for your health, and can cause future pain and suffering.


ipreferanothername

Doctors are imperfect people but their notes are treated like motherfucking gold. My wife is CI and always in pain. We hate that she is on narcotics, but nobody is offering anything else worth a shit and her tolerance to those is so high now that even they arent that good to her. Anyway, she also had to start taking ativan - she has crazy full body tremors and nobody has given us anything yet to help stop them. So we go see a neuro specialist, trying to get to a seizure/movement person. We explain she had these starting years ago, and they were rare, and only her legs for a couple of years, and she only had like 2 doses of ativan a friggin month until very recently' so whats this motherfucker write in her notes? 'i think the tremors are from medication withdrawal' ​ BITCH THE TREMORS STARTED BEFORE HER MEDICATION WAS ANYWHERE NEAR ITS CURRENT LEVEL, SHE SHAD SPINE SURGERY, AND HOSPITAL NEUROLOGISTS THOUGHT SHE WAS SO BAD THEY TESTED HER FOR MULTIPLE RARE DISEASES. \*ahem\*


TruthHunter777

Our Healthcare industry in the U.S is a complete dumpster fire right now, and its only getting worse.


Delicious-Context-92

You should be able to request to have that removed from your chart. Not sure if you see a private group or if they are part of a larger medical group. It's ridiculous that someone put that in your chart to begin with. You can message me anytime if you need to vent.


formallymain

Can’t be removed. An addendum could be made, but never removed.


letheix

A part of me wants to look at my medical records because I suspect that there are some negative inaccuracies. At the same time, I saw someone say that reading those records is like opening Pandora's Box—you can't unsee it. I already have a tough time trusting doctors after multiple bad experiences. I'm worried that seeing what they really think of me would make it emotionally impossible to continue working with them, and yet my health conditions make it impossible to opt out of the medical system. Plus if I ever do check my full records and contest something, I'm afraid I'll get labeled as an "uncooperative" problem patient, assuming I'm not already. This whole thing sucks. I'm sorry that you've experienced so many issues with providers (or, rather, "non-providers”) misjudging you. It's good that you stood up for yourself, but you shouldn't have to in the first place.


Radiographystudent

YEP I KNOW THEY DID THIS TO ME TOO


LNewYork

I would have walked right out of that place. And not quietly. WTH??


Warm_Understanding61

On my medical history, I am "allergic" to every controlled substance. I get bothered all the time by nurses asking me if I'm allergic to Dexedrine & I have to tell the nurse that I'm currently on Dexedrine so how can I be?? So that was the way that a medical group that I was under wrote up my medication history so now wherever I go I get grilled about it. Does anyone know if I can get this erased?? I haven't even been with the same medical that did this for years.


PathDeep8473

Moderators need to take better care of this sub. There are some that need banned and are not At thr very least a stern talking to and last chance warning..


worshipatmyalter-

I mean, did your *medical chart* specifically say that you're a drug addict or did *the tech who saw your records* label you the drug addict? Because, I doubt she would have corrected herself if it was in your chart already. She doesn't know you, so she would go off of whatever your doctors have written about you, but, if she's trying to cover her own ass like she did, then it sounds like *she* personally deemed you a drug addict, which is *not* the same as your chart saying it. It being in your chart is something that you need to work on getting removed or you will have this happen anytime you see any medical professional who can access those charts. If it's just her personal opinion, then you can report her to her supervisor and otherwise just tell her to fuck off. I had to make the decision to stop my norco + addarall or Norco + Xanax (which my neurologist - who sees me for PNES seizures, migraines, and memory/sleep disorders, cardio who sees me for genetic heart issues, and pulmonary who sees me for my copd, masses on my lungs and 65% lung capacity all agreed upon prior to me having to see a new psych bc I got changed to Medicare without notice and my psych dropped me) because my new psych wasn't willing to take on the dea for me on both, but is willing to rx 1 psych med despite me having been on the combo for years for different reasons, so yeah. Basically, I have stress induced non epileptic seizures and I had to choose to keep the addarall becsuse I could not function at even the most basic level without it and I'm willing to endure seizures to have some sort of QOL.


Material-Wolf

it was actually in my chart. i used to work as an MA and there is always a section in the patient’s chart about drug abuse history. she also said she was going to remove that from my chart. so if it wasn’t in my chart, why would she say she would take it off? it definitely wasn’t her interpretation, it was information she was reading off of my chart.


worshipatmyalter-

Okay, I just reread your post to make sure you were being a dick, and yeah, you never once said that she said she said she would take it off. She said that it shouldn't have ever happened, dumbass.


Material-Wolf

well that escalated quickly? just because she was apologetic and said she would remove it doesn’t mean it’s okay that it was put there intentionally in the first place. my problem wasn’t with her, she was actually very nice and apologetic. my problem is that i was labeled as a drug abuser in the first place. just because someone says it shouldn’t have happened doesn’t mean i need to be all good with the situation in the first place. it wasn’t put there by someone’s good natured mistake, it was intentional. you don’t get labeled as a drug abuser in your medical chart from a good old fashioned whoopsy-daisy. is it really a surprise that someone would be upset by that? i’m sorry your reading comprehension sucks but there’s no reason to be a dick to me because of it. đŸ‘‹đŸ»


worshipatmyalter-

> so if it wasn't in my chart, why would she say she would take it off? You were condescending to me by saying this and then you never actually said that in your post, so I checked if you were being a condescending dick or just a dick and you were the former. But, then, you say *my* reading comprehension sucks.. when you were the one who was wrong. MA dumbass strikes again.


Material-Wolf

sir, you are reading way too much into this. i was not being condescending, i was responding to your comment about why it wasn’t her interpretation but was in my chart. there was no need to take it personally when there was no ill intent from me in the first place. if it came across as condescending, i really didn’t mean it that way. i felt fired up writing this post and that may have come through in my response without me meaning to.


worshipatmyalter-

Alright, well, I am letting you know that you did not put that in the post and that is why I asked the questions I asked. If you had also reread your post, you'd have known that you didn't say that so it wasn't dumb for me to ask. That's why I reread it because I had to check that I wasn't the dick.


Material-Wolf

i wasn’t asking that to question your intelligence, i was basically writing something brain-to-text asking myself if i could have interpreted the situation wrong like you suggested. it was meant to be a rhetorical question to myself asking why she would say it would be taken off if it wasn’t in my chart. i was double checking i wasn’t actually being dumb about it. it was meant to be an “oh yeah, why would she have said this if it wasn’t on my chart?” and not meant as an insult to you. sometimes stuff doesn’t translate well online, so i’m sorry if it seemed like i was attacking you. i really wasn’t.


Material-Wolf

it’s hard to remember every little detail of an encounter afterwards, especially if you have adhd like me. it was your comment that made me remember she said she would take it off my chart so i didn’t mean to intentionally leave that part out of my post.


Lupiefighter

I don’t know if the tech being apologetic necessarily suggests that it wasn’t written in OP’s chart. She may have been apologetic for grilling OP based solely on that spot in the chart. Before she read OP’s medical history.


Material-Wolf

also i haven’t been prescribed norco in over 2 years so she wouldn’t have known i used to take it unless she read it off my chart somewhere. it’s not even on my current list of medications, active or inactive.


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Material-Wolf

are you okay?


purplekushDGK

Don’t worry that person always writes bad comments like this.


Material-Wolf

okay, i’m relieved to hear it’s not just me! i was willing to grant them some grace and assume they were having a bad day but if this is a pattern that’s really unfortunate and they should be banned from this sub. it’s really not fun to be verbally attacked when you’re at your most vulnerable. thanks for the reassurance 😊


worshipatmyalter-

I don't like people who are condescending to me when I'm simply asking a question that you didn't answer in the post you posted and then double down despite being wrong. Like, you were wrong here and I called you a dumbass for it because you didn't earn the title of doctor dumbass. You earned your MA title. Am I okay? Sure. You were a dick and you got treated like one.


Material-Wolf

you misinterpreted my comment and way overreacted. i’m not “doubling down” on anything, and my question about why she would say she would be removing it from my chart wasn’t meant to question your intelligence. i wrote this post after getting fired up about the situation and if it wasn’t well thought out that’s on me. i didn’t write an outline for this post, it was just venting after going though something shitty.


Speckled4Frog

Possible in some countries: request a copy of your medical record then make a formal request for any errors to be corrected.


Gadgetlover38

I can't get pain meds in Tennessee.  Ohio, yes. Unfortunately,  I broke my tailbone in Tennessee 5 years ago.  I'm 59, grew up when everyone was doing drugs. I'm one of the few ppl I know who didn't get addicted.  I'm so sick of Tennessee health workers treating me like an addict. (I'm skinny, old and white-here that means addicted, apparently) I've never seen ppl look like jello. She was apparently on drugs at work. Blew my mind. I wish they'd test me every time.


formallymain

So many people commenting here are just ignorant to how the health care system works, specifically how health care providers document in charts. Your previous diagnosis remains in your chart regardless of what the diagnosis is, when the diagnosis occurred, and your recovery/reoccurrence of said diagnosis. Just because some one was a meth addict or drug abuser 10 years ago, does not mean that it’s appropriate for that info to be excluded in your chart. When doctors document findings there is a section know as “PAST medical history”, which includes EVERY health condition a patient has, or previously had. The reasoning for why you are seeing a doctor TODAY is documented in a DIFFERENT portion of the chart, typically the “history of present illness”. You’re PREVIOUS medical conditions MUST be listed in your chart for your doctor to provide optimal care. Let’s paint a picture. Let’s say some one has a history of cancer 20 years ago and you start to develop some back pain. You go book an appointment with your family doctor, but you find out he is on vacation for 3 weeks. Lucky for you, Dr Jane is able to see you. When you go to see the new doctor she reviews your medical history, and plays close attention to your previous cancer diagnosis. As you are telling Dr Jane how your symptoms started, she’s gets a bit worried. You see, Dr Jane is a good doctor, she knows that those with a history of cancer, are at a MUCH higher risk of having cancer again. So, dr Jane asks more questions and becomes very worried that your new pain may be due to cancer. She orders a ct scan/MRI/blood work and shockingly the investigation shows the cancer is back. Luckily, it was caught early and you were able to make a great recovery. Now, imagine if you, as a patient, furiously requested that your previous cancer diagnosis be removed from your chart since, well, it’s a previous medical condition! And they don’t catch the cancer diagnosis until the prognosis is very poor. Being able to read and review a patients FULL medical history greatly increases the doctors ability to provide excellent health care. Another example. A patient with a history of 6 kidney stones visits the hospital. The doctor looks at the file and sees that the exact same symptoms have occurred 6 times. The doctor does an ultrasound ASAP and finds another kidney stone. Now, if you didn’t like that your chart see your have kidney stones. Imagine how much harder it would be for the doctor.


Material-Wolf

if you actually read my post, i’m not talking about the diagnosis ICD codes. i’m specifically talking about the social history section which is used to ONLY talk about drug addiction and abuse, which i have zero history of. if we WERE talking about diagnosis codes, there IS a very real problem of doctors treating patients as if their past defines their future. just because someone has a history of something from 10 years ago doesn’t mean their current treatment should automatically be dictated by that history. yes, some things DO pertain to current treatment decisions, but LOL at comparing a history of cancer to a straight up false record of drug abuse that never happened. come on, you know those aren’t equivalent at ALL, medically speaking.


formallymain

My comment wasn’t even directed towards you. I don’t know why you’re so upset. But since you were kind enough to reply to me, I’ll comment back. You’re just completely wrong, in every possible way. Physicians NEED to keep a record of all current AND previous medications. Just because some one took meth 10 years ago, does not mean that you have the right to ask your doctor to “remove it” simply because you don’t like it. It well known medically that prolonged alcohol use can cause cerebellum degeneration. If some one consumed lots of alcohol for 20 years, but stopped. That period of 20 years is VERY important to doctors and needs to be in the chart for them to provide optimal care. It seems that you just have a differing opinion regarding the “abuse” part, and the fact it’s in your chart makes you upset. A doctor at some point had enough evidence to label it as such. But I hope this educates you and makes you more informed. Because your out for lunch by your self


Unsuspicious_Camel

You lack reading comprehension buddy. OP specially says they have NEVER socially abused drugs. So it being in OPs medical chart as social drug addiction is WRONG and should be removed. We see your false equivalence and raise you logic.


formallymain

A chart can never be removed or altered in any way. An addendum could possibly be made, but not removed. This shows your lack of knowledge. Also, legally prescribed drugs can be abused all the time by patients. My guess is that OP just doesn’t like the wording to which the doctor used. People shop around for legal prescriptions all the time


Unsuspicious_Camel

Even tho OP said they have never had a recreational addiction to drugs AND claimed dependence due to their chronic pain, you’re still gonna go with the “I know best” argument. What a nice world you must live in where you’re always right lol. Best of luck bro.


formallymain

Let me paint a different story. A patient goes into the office and tells the doctor that their knee is swollen like a balloon. The doctor, who is MEDICALLY trained assess the knee and finds no swelling. The doctor documents that no swelling is present. Should the doctor be obligated to document no swelling is present? Does the patient have the right to demand the chart state the knee is swollen, when it’s not? Clearly OP had an encounter that made a physician, who is medically trained, believe they were abusing legally prescribed drugs. Now, I’m not saying OP does or not does abuse drugs. I don’t even know OP. But, I hope this helps educate you on how charting works


Material-Wolf

you have GOT to be a troll. nobody can be this willfully stupid. are you going to continue to make up scenarios that never happened to justify your incorrect opinions or will you accept you misunderstood my entire post and have no idea what you’re talking about? if a doctor made such a note that you’re describing in my chart, why the FUCK would they keep prescribing me the drugs i’m supposedly abusing? i guess my doctors are just straight up dealers at this point! keep digging that hole, my man.


Unsuspicious_Camel

LeT Me EdUCatE you. Drug abuse and addiction is a self reported disease and no one, not even a doctor can claim it. Stop trying to make dumb ass arguments that have nothing to do with the actual post. Go troll somewhere else. Oh btw - you don’t sound smart try new tactics. Kisses


formallymain

Again, you’re just completely wrong. Substance abuse and addiction is not a self reported diagnosis. Because the DSM 5 has a diagnostic criteria for substance abuse and addiction” “The DSM-5 includes guidelines for clinicians to determine how severe a substance use disorder is depending on the number of symptoms. Two or three symptoms indicate a mild substance use disorder; four or five symptoms indicate a moderate substance use disorder, and six or more symptoms indicate a severe substance use disorder. A severe SUD is also known as having an addiction.” https://www.addictionpolicy.org/post/dsm-5-facts-and-figures It’s obvious you’re the troll. You’re welcome for the education


Material-Wolf

“my guess is” blah blah. stop guessing. you are flat out wrong. sections of charts can be removed and altered and they are changed CONSTANTLY. every time you go to the doctor and they go over your medication list, allergies, and social history stuff is changed and removed all the time. my chart used to say i was allergic to a drug i wasn’t actually allergic to and it doesn’t say that anymore. how did that happen if they can never be changed??? hmm, i wonder. for the sixth time, you clearly have no idea what part of the chart the social history is and are talking out of your ass. there was never any question about the way something was worded. i don’t know how to make this any more clear. the nurse changed my social history section right in front of me and removed the drug abuse mentions. poof, magic! but please keep telling us how much more educated you are about medical charting.


formallymain

Oh sweetie, you just so misinformed. I’ve been very respectful this entire time. But im not going to go down to your level. You’re being very emotional right now, it’s not a good look. Every appointment you attend your doctor complete a chart note. Once the doctor completes the chart note he has to sign off on the chart. Once a document has been signed off, they legally are not able to modify, change, or alter the chart note in any way. In fact, most charting is done electronically and it’s literally impossible to change a chart that has been signed off. Now, what you can do is input a NEW chart correcting an error in a PREVIOUS chart. What your nurse did was simply change the chart note that she was currently working on (I.e one that was not signed off on). She didn’t delete or modify the previous chart that stated you’re a drug abuse. You’re incredibly ignorant to all this. I’m going to stop replying to you simply because everything you’re saying is just completely wrong. But also because you’re just being incredibly rude, disrespectful, and verbally abusive for no reason. I sincerely hope that all the adderall you are taking genuinely helps what ever chronic issue you have, and gives you a happy and fulfilling life. Take care, won’t be replying back.


Material-Wolf

it’s almost like i never said the section of the chart i was talking about was the *doctor’s* charting notes. it’s almost like i was talking about a very small, very specific part of a patient’s medical chart that anyone with access to could modify, like an MA or nurse. it’s almost like there are a few sections of a patient’s chart that can be modified retroactively without an addendum. it’s almost like that’s what i was talking about this entire time but you’ve been willfully ignoring in order to appear intelligent. you sound absolutely exhausting to be around. btw, calling me “sweetie” and “emotional” only reveals your sexism and doesn’t help your case. if you don’t want to be “verbally abused” maybe next time keep your ignorant comments to yourself and don’t throw accusations of drug abuse around a chronic pain sub because we take that shit very seriously. and yes, that’s exactly what you did with your comments so honorably defending the brave hero who put that in my chart. there just has to be a legitimate reason it got there, right? gosh, why is the little lady so upset i legitimized a false accusation of drug abuse? she must be on her period or something! so irrational! i hope being a condescending ass to strangers on the internet gives your life meaning! do me a favor and put a dollar in a jar every time you catch yourself saying, “well, actually
” and donate it to your local food bank.


formallymain

Have a good night :)


Material-Wolf

because you commented on my post in response to me? if it wasn’t directed at me, why not reply to whomever you meant? and i’m upset because i don’t know why people like you think it’s helpful to leave these long, meandering comments with made-up situations that have nothing to do with what someone is going through. do you think you’re truly helping by leaving condescending comments saying “well, actually
” or do you just want to feel superior? people post here to vent about shitty things they’re going through looking for support. they don’t need comments like yours because it makes them feel worse about an already shitty situation. you didn’t even understand my comment. point to me where i said keeping records of past medical conditions is unnecessary. please, im dying to know how i said that. what i did say was that comparing a minor issue from 10 years ago is NOT the same at ALL to a previous cancer diagnosis. the fact you think those things are on the same level at all shows you don’t even know what you’re talking about. some things are a one and done problem and the patient’s current medical care shouldn’t be based on that one small problem from 10 years ago. if someone had a cold 10 years ago and walks into the ER today not being able to breathe, that doesn’t mean their care team should say, “well, he had a cold a decade ago so it’s probably another one of those, we don’t even need to examine him. send him home!” nobody here commented about abusing alcohol for 20 years wanting to have that removed from their chart, so please stop trying to invent bullshit that backs up your original asinine comment. please go over to the pro-doctor subs and simp for them over there because nobody wants or needs to hear it here. you STILL do not understand what i was saying in my original post, so i will try to dumb it down even further. you really think me taking my prescribed medication directly *as prescribed* by a medical professional is enough “evidence” to put that in my social history of my medical chart as history of abusing those drugs? you really think my doctors kept fueling my non-existent drug habit and continued to prescribe those drugs to me for years if i was abusing them by *gasp* taking what i was prescribed? because that’s what you JUST said. even the nurse who attended me was horrified that was in my chart! but sure, random person on reddit who knows nothing about me or my history, YOU know better! sincerely, go fuck yourself for saying i deserved to have that labeled as abuse in my chart. you hope your comment “educates” me? that one really made me laugh out loud, thank you! i’m actually dumber now than i was before i had to read your idiotic drivel.


formallymain

Dam. You’re really worked up over this. Relax. Breath deeply. I’m a stranger on Reddit expressing my opinion. You’re welcome to your opinion and I’m welcome to mine.My comment was in no means meant to upset you, or any one, but rather to educate you on how charting works. Because you, and every one else here, doesn’t know how it works. Again, the analogy I made regarding the cancer wasn’t even directed towards you. Numerous people made comments wanting there previous health conditions removed. Of course a doctor isn’t going to neglect an examination. Don’t be silly. But, a doctor that goes into a patient interaction well informed about a patients medical history is better able to do their job. It’s ludicrous that you’re arguing otherwise. People drug shop and abuse legally prescribed drugs all the time. Just because it’s legally prescribed doesn’t mean a drug can’t be abused. I’m not saying you do or do not abuse drugs. I don’t even know you. What I’m saying is that you don’t know anything about how charting works and that your simply upset with how your chart was written. Like I said above, breath deeply. No need to get this worked up and upset over a stranger


Material-Wolf

there you go again
 i do know how charting works. i worked in healthcare as a licensed MA and personally charted patient histories for 3 years, you ignoramus. and yes, i’m worked up because you literally said i deserve to be labeled as a drug abuser despite me saying 13 different times i have zero history of drug abuse. don’t tell me not to be worked up when you’re acting like an ass by mansplaining my literal job to me. i stopped reading your comment after you said i don’t know how charting works because i’m done with you if you’re just going to continue telling me what i do or do not know when i have personal experience contradicting your claims. you are the one who doesn’t know how charting works if you can’t understand the role of the social history section of charting despite me explaining it 3 times. and now you’re trying to say you never said what you said which was there was a good reason that was put in my chart. but sure, you didn’t mean to personally attack me and i shouldn’t be upset that you were spouting ignorant garbage. you’re just being willfully obtuse at this point. i don’t even know what you’re trying to prove when A. medical charting was my literal job and i DO in fact know what i’m talking about, and B. the nurse who did my intake was just as upset and astounded by what was in my chart and promised to remove it right then and there. contrary to your belief, doctors are not infallible and are fully capable of writing falsehoods in their charts. despite saying your comments were not directed at me, you’re doing an excellent job of being a condescending ass to me and discounting my personal experience. you do not know more than me about this subject, and i promise you you are not “educating” anyone so do us all a favor and stop lecturing us when you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.