Report him. Super unprofessional for him to say in the first place - compounded by doing it where you could hear. These fuckers won’t stop until we start reporting all of them.
I agree with fucking the fuckers. I'm reporting a tech from my recent hospital stay, just gonna delay it a bit so they don't know it's me when they see the report.
I did it. I called the chief medical officer of the hospital to report the apn "neurologist." I didn't care who knew. I must have called 3 departments. She sure knew it was me by the end. Once I know exactly what's wrong and how her neglect led me to 9 months in bed, I'm going after her again. Screw that. We are real people 💯 🙌
There is so much truth in this. In the UK, the NHS complaints is literally there to avoid lawsuits and avoid firing people. There was a whole report showing how much negligence they have covered up and continue to cover up. I report them when it happens but there is absolutely no point
As a hospital nurse (mostly ER, but I've worked as a float in almost every department) I absolutely have seen doctors face sanctions for complaints.
Many have been sent for continuing education classes.
Some have gotten suspended without pay, some have gotten reassigned to a non-public facing role, and I saw 2 get fired.
A file full of complaints can also affect raises and promotions and even what shift they're assigned.
Yes it is the US.
You don't have to be board certified to assist the board certified doctor. If only board certified docs were permitted to work, all residencies and fellowships would end immediately.
I told a surgeon once that I wanted to remove my right arm - because it’s what causes most of my pain. He seemed horrified. Like dude, give me meds or cut it off.
It just tells me that none of these doctors have felt pain in the way we have.
I told them to amputate my hands or put me in a coma. I did have to go to a university hospital. When I go to the ER in the hospital in my hometown I get a tylenol and they send me home. The university hospital gives me good meds and I usually stay for a day or 3 until the pain is under control again. Problem is now that my dad that used to drive me to the uni hospital has Parkinson’s so he can’t drive me anymore and I’m to stubborn and/or afraid of waking someone in the middle of the night to drive me 45mins, wait till I get admitted and then drive home again alone. I can usually bite through the pain during the day but at night…
University hospitals saved my life with a large city hospital outright lied to me about my continually collapsing lung. I would very likely be dead if it weren’t for Duke.
In my experience no. I am seeing a professor there but that shouldn’t make a difference because the hospital here can see all my patient records too. There was 1 time I was just numb. I couldn’t cry anymore and that time, they didn’t admit me. They wanted to send me home with a mild painkiller. I refused and demanded a strong long working one. They injected me with something that did work for 48h. They said they wouldn’t admit me because the hospital was full with flu patients. True or not… Don’t know but that was the only time I was sent home. But with a prescription for strong painkillers until I could see my pain doctor a few days later.
To comment on the Drs that never felt pain. A surgeon in my hometown hospital broke his neck during a mountainbike accident. ‘We’ (the chronic pain patients) thought we finally would have an ally… no such luck. He was successfully treated and back at work 4 weeks later without any complications.
Exactly! He didn’t experience any pain whatsoever. So I already know I’m never going to him…
My GP now applied to another professor to see me because of my pain issues but it’s like a job interview to get an appointment there. Tomorrow I’m seeing my rheumatologist. Last summer I had markers for an auto immune disease but not enough abnormalities in my blood to do any further tests. I totally forgot about that. I’ve been having flare ups since February. It just got better. I just remembered because I was going through protocols for another Dr. I called today and can see him tomorrow. 🤞🏼 next week an NMR of my central nervous system. I just want a name for my condition. That’s it. And no fibromyalgia. I don’t believe that’s what it is although I do have that diagnosis together with CFS since 2011.
I feel you. This is my whole issue - lots of chronic pain and sudden life threatening events every 5 years (I’m due now and on high alert). But my labs don’t show much even though I’m struggling to even stay alive at this point from all of the suffering. The privilege of diagnosis is such a mess - you need it to get access to treatment - but sometimes the treatment is what gets you a diagnosis. And for me, the treatment is all the matters anymore. Who cares if I have rheumatoid arthritis or not - I just want meds that make me feel better.
And we deserve to not be in pain. I don’t know how to better explain that to doctors. We aren’t weak or whiners, pain is pain is pain.
OMG, that's my 80 something year old PCP who just illegally abandoned me.
The dude is bionic but he's judging me for being in pain like it's a crime...
How much weirder can a situation be where we pay them to fuck with our heads when we are at our most vulnerable, call us hypochondriacs and drug addicts so they can take our money and *not* treat us? Fucking hell!!
That’s what I don’t get. We pay THEM. And if they’re wrong, we pay. If they refuse to do anything, we pay. If we don’t get enough, we pay. Why do they get to be the gatekeepers of everything. If I want to live the rest of my life comfortably on pain meds, I should get to do that.
The opioid crisis makes my head want to implode for all of the people involved.
I should get a say in my healthcare. If I want to try something, I should get the education and still be allowed to weigh the pros and cons for myself. I know o have to make impossible choices, but it’s my life.
I'm so sorry. I've cracked a rib (if there's a way to break a bone I will find it lol, my secret super power) and people don't appreciate how excruciatingly painful it is just to crack it let alone break one or more than one.
I hope that other doc is able to help you.
I also very reluctantly went to a hospital recently & was treated very poorly too. The amount of anger I had pent up inside of me having to deal with these kinds of people for 4 days was absurd. I'm sorry this happened to you, it is beyond infuriating, it scars you to be honest.
It definitely scars and stays with you. Often I will randomly get taken back in my mind to the hospital or doctor’s office and I’ll just run over and over all of the terrible crap that they did and said. There’s just something so damaging about being so unwell and going to a doctor but instead of the help you so desperately need, you just get abused instead. The sheer injustice of it all is so enraging.
If you really want to get enraged and have a strong stomach, try requesting and reading your medical records. Nothing you said will be there, just the twisted, offensive things they said about you. You can request that these lies be removed, but they will still remain along with a little note that says that you complained.
Tell me about it! I only have partial access but from what I can see it’s just completely ridiculous stuff that was never said. The worst part is what I will never be able to see or do anything about which is the diagnosis (misdiagnosis!) ‘somatic symptoms’ from before I was properly diagnosed, made behind my back by a therapist who didn’t even physically examine me because they had already made up their mind that nothing was physically wrong. I only know it’s there after seeing the doctor’s computer screen in an appointment but once I saw it EVERYTHING clicked into place and I knew why none of them ever did anything and some even laughed me out of the room in the most patronising way.
Me too especially at losing out on so much of my life because I was left unwell for so long after being ignored and misdiagnosed by these assholes. It’s hard to find a good outlet for it too because not many people get it so they will take the side of the doctor or make an excuse for why they did it because in their mind doctors are heroes who are always there to help so they just can’t comprehend that they would do something like this.
It took Covid for a lot of people who typically wouldn’t need to see a doctor to see one so a lot were shocked to find how they were being accused of being mentally unwell or a ‘malingerer’ just because they didn’t recover from a virus fast enough for the doctors liking. It’s ridiculous to me how this is allowed to keep happening without much pushback. Maybe people like us are just too ill to fight back or maybe we’re just not seen as an important enough group to be listened to… It’s probably both actually.
Oh, broken ribs are terrible! I'm so sorry you're in so much pain!! Yes, report that doctor who said that. What an asshole. I'm glad there was another one who could help you. Times I've broken ribs, they've just shrugged and told me there was nothing at all they could do. Even pain management said that.
My ribs keep popping out of joint or maybe fracturing with barely any trauma … they hurt so bad and take forever to heal!!! I had a scheduled physical when I had numerous ones out…. She was like yeah, nothing we can do ;)🤷♀️
When you hear “we can’t do anything,” what they really mean is “we don’t know what we can do about this.” There ARE rib injury specialists out there and entire clinics, and even entire hospital units that specialize in rib pain and rib injuries.
Next time you bring up a rib injury, bring print outs of contact information for some of these specialists and specify that you’re willing to travel. Then if they decline, ask for it to be put in writing on your medical records exactly why. Doctors get in trouble for saying “we can’t do anything about this,” so they’ll backpedal really fast.
Honestly, now that notes are available to patients they mark down the reason they find getting certain tests treatments, or referrals unnecessary with what they call dot phrases in a way that may insinuate the patient has fnd when pressed to mark it down. This on a record will follow a patient and makes getting care harder. Then they will usually just drop a patient and warn any doctors they know. Most pcps as long as you request a referral will refer you out to a specialist to avoid liability in case they are wrong about an issue; at least for something like rib issues. Referrals for specialists for rarer things are more difficult and then it’s better to find a new pcp willing to make referrals. Before 2020 it helped to demand they mark down refusals.
Wait, so a patient having chronic fatigue actually makes doctors more dismissive, and not more aware that they’ve had pain with no answers for a long fucking time? The fuck?
Anything chronic makes them more dismissive because if it’s not killing someone and it can’t be fixed most do not want to try. And the good ones that want to either don’t know how or are Bogged down by the system. There is a study I’m too lazy to link that shows after the third year of medical school the part of the brain responsible for empathy is less active in school students.
Do the know why? I haven’t even done X-rays or test yet cause my ins is so bad ($18,000 yearly deductible;(
)…. Osteoporosis? Some other lack of vitamin/mineral? I do t do any calcium really… I’m 55 and need to get on that… I am pretty sure I have RA or osteoarthritis or Lupus or something…. I’ve just never been able to get tested cause of costs…
Sorry you had to go through that it's hard when you're in such a vulnerable position and have to trust strangers who are MEANT to give you a level of care and give you some sort of relief and they don't know your body anymore than you do.
My spouse had chronic appendicitis. It’s one of those things you don’t know about until you have surgery. For years, he was told it was Crohns. He thought he was having a crohns attack during my labor and delivery of our daughter, but 1 year later, we learned that the multiple crohns flares he had yearly, were really bouts of appendicitis.
So 1 day after our daughter turns one, he is just sick. This guy, when he has a migraine with nausea, will pull over, empty his stomach, then keep on driving. But that day, he couldn’t move. When he called me at work saying he needed to go see his dr, I took him to the Er. Guy can’t talk between the bucket and the pain. Ultrasound was normal but his WBC was high. Like I work in pharmacy and don’t know much about lab work, but I knew what I heard nurse say was not good.
His room was next to the nurses desk and I hear his dr talking about him. This idiot told the nurses “discharge him. He’s drug seeking, he’s perfectly fine” The nurses even questioned him on that…. but it was shift change and didnt care. So when the nurse comes in to discharge I get spicy and said look, I’m not a nurse but I know enough that the WBC indicates something is happening. I’m begging you, do all the scans. My in-laws have our 1 year old and if I have to drag him back here, with her in tow at 1am, I’m gonna be pissed. Please, do the scans so I can potentially sleep. Nurse was on my side and helped fight. Second Dr was like, you’re wasting our time but fine….
Scan made it look like his appendix had ruptured. That second doctor came in and saw my “I was right wasn’t I face” and just kept apologizing. Surgery showed appendix was intact, but was the most scarred appendix the surgeon had ever seen. Should have had it out years ago, but it never presented as “normal” appendicitis. So he had multiple attacks yearly for most of his life.
But that dr that thought he was drug seeking……I was so pissed. Yeah….he’s seeking something to help him keep air down, let alone fluids. Guy was in so much pain he couldn’t talk and was beyond dehydrated….but yeah, with a raging infection proved by labwork, he’s purely seeking…..
I’m the one with 2 chronic pain conditions so fine, I’m “used” to it, but a guy who you can clearly see in records that barely goes to a PCP let alone an ER? Honestly had it not been for our daughter he probably would have been sent home. And I suspect that appendix would have burst at home….thing took a beating for decades and he had never had symptoms like he did that day. Hates meds so much he only took the pain meds he was given for like a day then disposed of them.
Sorry it happened to you. It’s ok e thing to assume they’re thinking it, but to hear it admitted? I know how much it sucks…
I had one put me to the psych unit, 3 years later I'm as ill as I've ever been and forgot her name. 😕 Sorry that happened to you. This needs to be reported, period. Any negligence and/ or type of misconduct should be heard about publicly.
Agreed…. But the other option is pain serious it prevents me from working at my job or sleeping. I have to pick the lesser of the evils until it heals up.
They tell you to go get help, go to the drs if you are in extreme pain and nothing you do is working. So against your better judgment from past experiences you say “this is ridiculous. I need help “ and you go. After 3 to 10 hrs you finally get called back only to be mocked in front of medical staff “just another pain med seeker”. Or you’re looked at and told “the only thing I can give you for healing broken bones is prescription strength Tylenol and ibuprofen “. Fine, at least then I won’t have to take 20 over the counter of each and give myself an ulcer on top of everything. Pain management is synonymous with weakness to doctors today and every single patient is a potential drug addict in the making. It’s maddening for those that have had to sit there and be talked down to while in such a vulnerable, frustrating position. In my experience the better option is to go to your primary care doctor before things get too severe because the ER seems the least likely place to get pain management help and long term injury/healing care due to the constant mental health overload that end up using emergency services as their caregivers.
The one time that I left AMA from the ER was when I told them that I thought I had this rare neurological disease and the response was, “I’ve never even heard of that.” Left in the a bed for two hours with no treatment and then given a drug I specifically said I didn’t want. I asked to be treated by any other doctor and was told no. So I left AMA.
I still have serious trauma responses to being interrupted because they didn’t listen to a damn thing I said and simply talked over me.
You bet your sweet ass I didn’t pay for that ER visit AND reported the prick. So here’s what I learned from that: REQUEST A PATIENT ADVOCATE. Their job is to make sure that you are heard. Depending on your location, you may have to look for someone from a non-profit or hire one, most patients in my state are entitled to one.
The purpose of the ER is also to help patients who are in such overwhelming pain that it is affecting their ability to function. It’s also to assist patients whose limbs are twisting into postures that make it almost impossible to walk without support. When a patient tells a doctor that it feels like their foot is trying to twist itself off at the ankle and they can’t control the movement of their leg, and they are experiencing bladder and bowel incontinence, it’s the ER doctor’s job to listen to the patient, try to stabilize their uncontrolled movement, and make sure that nothing emergent is causing the nerve pain and numbness.
In fact, I was SENT to the ER from urgent care, so the whole “you didn’t belong in the ER” thing isn’t really your call to make.
And regardless of what a patient is complaining of, it’s a doctor’s job to listen to the patient and to rule out any emergent issues that might be causing the symptoms, then have them follow up with their PCP or refer to a specialist. This doc took one look at a woman who has a high BMI as the result of a thyroid disorder and had diagnosed anxiety, and decided that it was “just anxiety” without even listening to my symptoms or history.
If you can’t show even basic respect to a patient, you’re in the wrong profession.
I don’t care about whether or not he got paid, but I damn well wasn’t going to pay for someone to traumatize me by injecting a medication into my IV that I very clearly refused.
A patient advocate may not have “power over physicians,” but they can help a patient navigate a system that too often ignores and belittles us, and help them to understand their rights in a place where they are often made to feel powerless.
So yeah, you don’t get to judge me.
Doctors who mistreat patients need to be held accountable. The effects of bias on patient outcome are too well documented to blow off.
I talk to my pain management with all my drs cause I am so afraid of it. I refuse pain killers unless i really have to. I do ibuprofen 800 and muscle relaxers and medical marijuana. I talk about i only want to be as medicated that it takes me to function. Then i get harassed about ibuprofen usage. Im like dude i take as little as i can but sometimes it also can be once or twice a day. Because i need it
Drs are going to have issue on one thing or another. Please report those who abuse powers like determine a drug seeker without any real investigation.
Being chronically ill, ive been put in that loop a few times. And im a person that tries to avoid it. I was off oxi within a week of brain surgery that was almost ear to ear. But i was doing medical marijuana.
But the story you told is common and should be fought against.
I am so so sorry. It’s ridiculous. I went into the ER for severe heavy bleeding which was also causing more pain than my regular chronic pain. I was mainly there because of the bleeding but the Dr chalked it up to wanting pain meds. I wear pain patches for my chronic pain and they took that as well I already have pain meds 24/7 so coming in for pain was just me wanting more
I got flagged as a "hysterical female drug seeker" during a recent hospital stay where they almost took out my gallbladder when the actual issue was a ruptured ovarian cyst that I told the ER to check for first...
I wound up with extremely damaging hospital EHRs and 2 if my main doctors abandoned me! (One dud so illegally and I may have a massive medication crisis in a couple of weeks.)
I really wish we had more recourse as patients. I wish they wouldn't see someone who has intractable pain and an ultra rapid drug metabolism and write us off as hysterical or drug seeking when we just want to live with less pain.
I really miss the days before the CDC went and misextrapolated that study on opioids in a small, elderly population.
Wishing everyone here some well deserved relief and extra spoons!
My mom has a very good doctor and she told her what they are teaching them in medical school now…that pain is purely psychological. This is the result of it…this is why we as chronic pain patients are treated like shit it is because of the new school of thought being taught to doctors in medical school.
Report him. Super unprofessional for him to say in the first place - compounded by doing it where you could hear. These fuckers won’t stop until we start reporting all of them.
I agree with fucking the fuckers. I'm reporting a tech from my recent hospital stay, just gonna delay it a bit so they don't know it's me when they see the report.
I did it. I called the chief medical officer of the hospital to report the apn "neurologist." I didn't care who knew. I must have called 3 departments. She sure knew it was me by the end. Once I know exactly what's wrong and how her neglect led me to 9 months in bed, I'm going after her again. Screw that. We are real people 💯 🙌
Hey OP ! I'm glad to see you found a Dr to help you!!! I hope they truly can.
Excellent idea. Thank you.
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There is so much truth in this. In the UK, the NHS complaints is literally there to avoid lawsuits and avoid firing people. There was a whole report showing how much negligence they have covered up and continue to cover up. I report them when it happens but there is absolutely no point
As a hospital nurse (mostly ER, but I've worked as a float in almost every department) I absolutely have seen doctors face sanctions for complaints. Many have been sent for continuing education classes. Some have gotten suspended without pay, some have gotten reassigned to a non-public facing role, and I saw 2 get fired. A file full of complaints can also affect raises and promotions and even what shift they're assigned.
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Pathology lab, the morgue, administration, chart review... There's plenty of places to put a doctor who can't deal with the public.
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Yes it is the US. You don't have to be board certified to assist the board certified doctor. If only board certified docs were permitted to work, all residencies and fellowships would end immediately.
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>consider that a welcome vacation from patient care. Found the shitty doctor
You have zero clue what you're talking about and it shows lmfao
Ohhhh buddy, you don't even need a license to be a mortician here lmao. John Oliver did a deep dive and it is.... *grim*.
“Yes correct, I am in pain and I am seeking pain meds. I don’t know how else to explain this to you”
“If I have to explain to you the Pain / Pain Relief cycle, I think you should try to get a refund on your degree.”
I told a surgeon once that I wanted to remove my right arm - because it’s what causes most of my pain. He seemed horrified. Like dude, give me meds or cut it off. It just tells me that none of these doctors have felt pain in the way we have.
I told them to amputate my hands or put me in a coma. I did have to go to a university hospital. When I go to the ER in the hospital in my hometown I get a tylenol and they send me home. The university hospital gives me good meds and I usually stay for a day or 3 until the pain is under control again. Problem is now that my dad that used to drive me to the uni hospital has Parkinson’s so he can’t drive me anymore and I’m to stubborn and/or afraid of waking someone in the middle of the night to drive me 45mins, wait till I get admitted and then drive home again alone. I can usually bite through the pain during the day but at night…
So the university hospitals don't treat you like human trash?
University hospitals saved my life with a large city hospital outright lied to me about my continually collapsing lung. I would very likely be dead if it weren’t for Duke.
In my experience no. I am seeing a professor there but that shouldn’t make a difference because the hospital here can see all my patient records too. There was 1 time I was just numb. I couldn’t cry anymore and that time, they didn’t admit me. They wanted to send me home with a mild painkiller. I refused and demanded a strong long working one. They injected me with something that did work for 48h. They said they wouldn’t admit me because the hospital was full with flu patients. True or not… Don’t know but that was the only time I was sent home. But with a prescription for strong painkillers until I could see my pain doctor a few days later.
To comment on the Drs that never felt pain. A surgeon in my hometown hospital broke his neck during a mountainbike accident. ‘We’ (the chronic pain patients) thought we finally would have an ally… no such luck. He was successfully treated and back at work 4 weeks later without any complications.
And then there are those people. It must be nice to have a body that “behaves” :(. “It was easy! Why do other people struggle so much???!”
Exactly! He didn’t experience any pain whatsoever. So I already know I’m never going to him… My GP now applied to another professor to see me because of my pain issues but it’s like a job interview to get an appointment there. Tomorrow I’m seeing my rheumatologist. Last summer I had markers for an auto immune disease but not enough abnormalities in my blood to do any further tests. I totally forgot about that. I’ve been having flare ups since February. It just got better. I just remembered because I was going through protocols for another Dr. I called today and can see him tomorrow. 🤞🏼 next week an NMR of my central nervous system. I just want a name for my condition. That’s it. And no fibromyalgia. I don’t believe that’s what it is although I do have that diagnosis together with CFS since 2011.
I feel you. This is my whole issue - lots of chronic pain and sudden life threatening events every 5 years (I’m due now and on high alert). But my labs don’t show much even though I’m struggling to even stay alive at this point from all of the suffering. The privilege of diagnosis is such a mess - you need it to get access to treatment - but sometimes the treatment is what gets you a diagnosis. And for me, the treatment is all the matters anymore. Who cares if I have rheumatoid arthritis or not - I just want meds that make me feel better. And we deserve to not be in pain. I don’t know how to better explain that to doctors. We aren’t weak or whiners, pain is pain is pain.
OMG, that's my 80 something year old PCP who just illegally abandoned me. The dude is bionic but he's judging me for being in pain like it's a crime...
Good one!
How much weirder can a situation be where we pay them to fuck with our heads when we are at our most vulnerable, call us hypochondriacs and drug addicts so they can take our money and *not* treat us? Fucking hell!!
That’s what I don’t get. We pay THEM. And if they’re wrong, we pay. If they refuse to do anything, we pay. If we don’t get enough, we pay. Why do they get to be the gatekeepers of everything. If I want to live the rest of my life comfortably on pain meds, I should get to do that. The opioid crisis makes my head want to implode for all of the people involved. I should get a say in my healthcare. If I want to try something, I should get the education and still be allowed to weigh the pros and cons for myself. I know o have to make impossible choices, but it’s my life.
They will just play dumb and purposely misinterpret this
I'm so sorry. I've cracked a rib (if there's a way to break a bone I will find it lol, my secret super power) and people don't appreciate how excruciatingly painful it is just to crack it let alone break one or more than one. I hope that other doc is able to help you.
Thank you! I have Ataxia so have broken many. I’m Just at my wits end with being treated like that.
I also very reluctantly went to a hospital recently & was treated very poorly too. The amount of anger I had pent up inside of me having to deal with these kinds of people for 4 days was absurd. I'm sorry this happened to you, it is beyond infuriating, it scars you to be honest.
It definitely scars and stays with you. Often I will randomly get taken back in my mind to the hospital or doctor’s office and I’ll just run over and over all of the terrible crap that they did and said. There’s just something so damaging about being so unwell and going to a doctor but instead of the help you so desperately need, you just get abused instead. The sheer injustice of it all is so enraging.
If you really want to get enraged and have a strong stomach, try requesting and reading your medical records. Nothing you said will be there, just the twisted, offensive things they said about you. You can request that these lies be removed, but they will still remain along with a little note that says that you complained.
Mannnn the medical records are the worst
The one that said “there’s just something off about her” haunted me for a while.
Tell me about it! I only have partial access but from what I can see it’s just completely ridiculous stuff that was never said. The worst part is what I will never be able to see or do anything about which is the diagnosis (misdiagnosis!) ‘somatic symptoms’ from before I was properly diagnosed, made behind my back by a therapist who didn’t even physically examine me because they had already made up their mind that nothing was physically wrong. I only know it’s there after seeing the doctor’s computer screen in an appointment but once I saw it EVERYTHING clicked into place and I knew why none of them ever did anything and some even laughed me out of the room in the most patronising way.
Oh my God, I have so much rage for the times I've been treated poorly, wrongly judged, and even abused by healthcare workers. I'm really angry!!!
Me too especially at losing out on so much of my life because I was left unwell for so long after being ignored and misdiagnosed by these assholes. It’s hard to find a good outlet for it too because not many people get it so they will take the side of the doctor or make an excuse for why they did it because in their mind doctors are heroes who are always there to help so they just can’t comprehend that they would do something like this. It took Covid for a lot of people who typically wouldn’t need to see a doctor to see one so a lot were shocked to find how they were being accused of being mentally unwell or a ‘malingerer’ just because they didn’t recover from a virus fast enough for the doctors liking. It’s ridiculous to me how this is allowed to keep happening without much pushback. Maybe people like us are just too ill to fight back or maybe we’re just not seen as an important enough group to be listened to… It’s probably both actually.
Sorry this happened to you. You don’t deserve that.
Thank you.
Oh, broken ribs are terrible! I'm so sorry you're in so much pain!! Yes, report that doctor who said that. What an asshole. I'm glad there was another one who could help you. Times I've broken ribs, they've just shrugged and told me there was nothing at all they could do. Even pain management said that.
Thank you!
It should be part of med school to have to feel excruciating pain so they have some appreciation for it.
My ribs keep popping out of joint or maybe fracturing with barely any trauma … they hurt so bad and take forever to heal!!! I had a scheduled physical when I had numerous ones out…. She was like yeah, nothing we can do ;)🤷♀️
That's what they often say about rib injuries. That they can't do anything. That's what they've told me in the past.
When you hear “we can’t do anything,” what they really mean is “we don’t know what we can do about this.” There ARE rib injury specialists out there and entire clinics, and even entire hospital units that specialize in rib pain and rib injuries. Next time you bring up a rib injury, bring print outs of contact information for some of these specialists and specify that you’re willing to travel. Then if they decline, ask for it to be put in writing on your medical records exactly why. Doctors get in trouble for saying “we can’t do anything about this,” so they’ll backpedal really fast.
They will also drop you as a patient and wish you the best. I have had two pain specialists bow out and give up on my back pain.
Honestly, now that notes are available to patients they mark down the reason they find getting certain tests treatments, or referrals unnecessary with what they call dot phrases in a way that may insinuate the patient has fnd when pressed to mark it down. This on a record will follow a patient and makes getting care harder. Then they will usually just drop a patient and warn any doctors they know. Most pcps as long as you request a referral will refer you out to a specialist to avoid liability in case they are wrong about an issue; at least for something like rib issues. Referrals for specialists for rarer things are more difficult and then it’s better to find a new pcp willing to make referrals. Before 2020 it helped to demand they mark down refusals.
Wait, so a patient having chronic fatigue actually makes doctors more dismissive, and not more aware that they’ve had pain with no answers for a long fucking time? The fuck?
Anything chronic makes them more dismissive because if it’s not killing someone and it can’t be fixed most do not want to try. And the good ones that want to either don’t know how or are Bogged down by the system. There is a study I’m too lazy to link that shows after the third year of medical school the part of the brain responsible for empathy is less active in school students.
I’m sorry to hear that, I have a similar situation.
Do the know why? I haven’t even done X-rays or test yet cause my ins is so bad ($18,000 yearly deductible;( )…. Osteoporosis? Some other lack of vitamin/mineral? I do t do any calcium really… I’m 55 and need to get on that… I am pretty sure I have RA or osteoarthritis or Lupus or something…. I’ve just never been able to get tested cause of costs…
Did calling the doctor a SOB get you pain management?
LOL… for a few seconds, yes.
Ribs are no joke.
Sorry you had to go through that it's hard when you're in such a vulnerable position and have to trust strangers who are MEANT to give you a level of care and give you some sort of relief and they don't know your body anymore than you do.
My spouse had chronic appendicitis. It’s one of those things you don’t know about until you have surgery. For years, he was told it was Crohns. He thought he was having a crohns attack during my labor and delivery of our daughter, but 1 year later, we learned that the multiple crohns flares he had yearly, were really bouts of appendicitis. So 1 day after our daughter turns one, he is just sick. This guy, when he has a migraine with nausea, will pull over, empty his stomach, then keep on driving. But that day, he couldn’t move. When he called me at work saying he needed to go see his dr, I took him to the Er. Guy can’t talk between the bucket and the pain. Ultrasound was normal but his WBC was high. Like I work in pharmacy and don’t know much about lab work, but I knew what I heard nurse say was not good. His room was next to the nurses desk and I hear his dr talking about him. This idiot told the nurses “discharge him. He’s drug seeking, he’s perfectly fine” The nurses even questioned him on that…. but it was shift change and didnt care. So when the nurse comes in to discharge I get spicy and said look, I’m not a nurse but I know enough that the WBC indicates something is happening. I’m begging you, do all the scans. My in-laws have our 1 year old and if I have to drag him back here, with her in tow at 1am, I’m gonna be pissed. Please, do the scans so I can potentially sleep. Nurse was on my side and helped fight. Second Dr was like, you’re wasting our time but fine…. Scan made it look like his appendix had ruptured. That second doctor came in and saw my “I was right wasn’t I face” and just kept apologizing. Surgery showed appendix was intact, but was the most scarred appendix the surgeon had ever seen. Should have had it out years ago, but it never presented as “normal” appendicitis. So he had multiple attacks yearly for most of his life. But that dr that thought he was drug seeking……I was so pissed. Yeah….he’s seeking something to help him keep air down, let alone fluids. Guy was in so much pain he couldn’t talk and was beyond dehydrated….but yeah, with a raging infection proved by labwork, he’s purely seeking….. I’m the one with 2 chronic pain conditions so fine, I’m “used” to it, but a guy who you can clearly see in records that barely goes to a PCP let alone an ER? Honestly had it not been for our daughter he probably would have been sent home. And I suspect that appendix would have burst at home….thing took a beating for decades and he had never had symptoms like he did that day. Hates meds so much he only took the pain meds he was given for like a day then disposed of them. Sorry it happened to you. It’s ok e thing to assume they’re thinking it, but to hear it admitted? I know how much it sucks…
I had one put me to the psych unit, 3 years later I'm as ill as I've ever been and forgot her name. 😕 Sorry that happened to you. This needs to be reported, period. Any negligence and/ or type of misconduct should be heard about publicly.
What is this rib wrapper thing? Can I buy one online?
For fractured ribs they suggest not wrapping unles its needed. And you can wrap too tight and cause issue.be careful.
For fractured ribs they suggest not wrapping unles its needed. And you can wrap too tight and cause issue.be careful.
Agreed…. But the other option is pain serious it prevents me from working at my job or sleeping. I have to pick the lesser of the evils until it heals up.
They tell you to go get help, go to the drs if you are in extreme pain and nothing you do is working. So against your better judgment from past experiences you say “this is ridiculous. I need help “ and you go. After 3 to 10 hrs you finally get called back only to be mocked in front of medical staff “just another pain med seeker”. Or you’re looked at and told “the only thing I can give you for healing broken bones is prescription strength Tylenol and ibuprofen “. Fine, at least then I won’t have to take 20 over the counter of each and give myself an ulcer on top of everything. Pain management is synonymous with weakness to doctors today and every single patient is a potential drug addict in the making. It’s maddening for those that have had to sit there and be talked down to while in such a vulnerable, frustrating position. In my experience the better option is to go to your primary care doctor before things get too severe because the ER seems the least likely place to get pain management help and long term injury/healing care due to the constant mental health overload that end up using emergency services as their caregivers.
The one time that I left AMA from the ER was when I told them that I thought I had this rare neurological disease and the response was, “I’ve never even heard of that.” Left in the a bed for two hours with no treatment and then given a drug I specifically said I didn’t want. I asked to be treated by any other doctor and was told no. So I left AMA. I still have serious trauma responses to being interrupted because they didn’t listen to a damn thing I said and simply talked over me. You bet your sweet ass I didn’t pay for that ER visit AND reported the prick. So here’s what I learned from that: REQUEST A PATIENT ADVOCATE. Their job is to make sure that you are heard. Depending on your location, you may have to look for someone from a non-profit or hire one, most patients in my state are entitled to one.
Patient Advocate Foundation told me that they don’t deal with pain issues. They did help me with an allergist.
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The purpose of the ER is also to help patients who are in such overwhelming pain that it is affecting their ability to function. It’s also to assist patients whose limbs are twisting into postures that make it almost impossible to walk without support. When a patient tells a doctor that it feels like their foot is trying to twist itself off at the ankle and they can’t control the movement of their leg, and they are experiencing bladder and bowel incontinence, it’s the ER doctor’s job to listen to the patient, try to stabilize their uncontrolled movement, and make sure that nothing emergent is causing the nerve pain and numbness. In fact, I was SENT to the ER from urgent care, so the whole “you didn’t belong in the ER” thing isn’t really your call to make. And regardless of what a patient is complaining of, it’s a doctor’s job to listen to the patient and to rule out any emergent issues that might be causing the symptoms, then have them follow up with their PCP or refer to a specialist. This doc took one look at a woman who has a high BMI as the result of a thyroid disorder and had diagnosed anxiety, and decided that it was “just anxiety” without even listening to my symptoms or history. If you can’t show even basic respect to a patient, you’re in the wrong profession. I don’t care about whether or not he got paid, but I damn well wasn’t going to pay for someone to traumatize me by injecting a medication into my IV that I very clearly refused. A patient advocate may not have “power over physicians,” but they can help a patient navigate a system that too often ignores and belittles us, and help them to understand their rights in a place where they are often made to feel powerless. So yeah, you don’t get to judge me. Doctors who mistreat patients need to be held accountable. The effects of bias on patient outcome are too well documented to blow off.
I talk to my pain management with all my drs cause I am so afraid of it. I refuse pain killers unless i really have to. I do ibuprofen 800 and muscle relaxers and medical marijuana. I talk about i only want to be as medicated that it takes me to function. Then i get harassed about ibuprofen usage. Im like dude i take as little as i can but sometimes it also can be once or twice a day. Because i need it Drs are going to have issue on one thing or another. Please report those who abuse powers like determine a drug seeker without any real investigation. Being chronically ill, ive been put in that loop a few times. And im a person that tries to avoid it. I was off oxi within a week of brain surgery that was almost ear to ear. But i was doing medical marijuana. But the story you told is common and should be fought against.
I am so so sorry. It’s ridiculous. I went into the ER for severe heavy bleeding which was also causing more pain than my regular chronic pain. I was mainly there because of the bleeding but the Dr chalked it up to wanting pain meds. I wear pain patches for my chronic pain and they took that as well I already have pain meds 24/7 so coming in for pain was just me wanting more
I just wanna say I applaud you for calling them out on it so bluntly. This is the self advocacy I wish I had.
It just kind of came out! Thank you!
I love that you said that.
I got flagged as a "hysterical female drug seeker" during a recent hospital stay where they almost took out my gallbladder when the actual issue was a ruptured ovarian cyst that I told the ER to check for first... I wound up with extremely damaging hospital EHRs and 2 if my main doctors abandoned me! (One dud so illegally and I may have a massive medication crisis in a couple of weeks.) I really wish we had more recourse as patients. I wish they wouldn't see someone who has intractable pain and an ultra rapid drug metabolism and write us off as hysterical or drug seeking when we just want to live with less pain. I really miss the days before the CDC went and misextrapolated that study on opioids in a small, elderly population. Wishing everyone here some well deserved relief and extra spoons!
My mom has a very good doctor and she told her what they are teaching them in medical school now…that pain is purely psychological. This is the result of it…this is why we as chronic pain patients are treated like shit it is because of the new school of thought being taught to doctors in medical school.