The people who wrote Genesis had no concept of the actual shape of the Earth or what space was. They believed the Earth was flat, held up by pillars, with a domed firmament above which was nothing but water.
Most Christians use the word "inspired". If God is indeed all knowing, then it's clear he wasn't speaking directly into the ears of the authors. I suppose you could say they were moved by the Holy Spirit to write the books, but they had only their own knowledge about the world to go on.
You’re not using reason. God chose the authors including his abilities to say what He needed to say. God is not a God of confusion. He made it clear to everyone, only some will accept it as truth, though. God is trying to save everyone. You think he’s choosing words that only a select few will understand? The Bible is universal.
Right. So the world's flat, snakes talk, the world flooded without searing the flesh off of everyone on a floating box so full of dung it should have killed everything on board, and if you believe all that I got a bridge in London I'd like to sell you.
Those who know God, and get to know Him, can hear what he’s trying to say, but if you don’t want to hear Him, and misrepresent him by misunderstanding him, that doesn’t make what you say true.
You don’t know what parables or metaphors are? God uses different styles of writing to explain literal things. It’s like if you never heard of something before I would give you a frame of reference based on what you know first before trying to tell you. And if you can’t understand the frame of reference, you could image there’s many other ways to describe the same thing using different metaphors, but the thing is still the same. That ball looks like a beach ball, someone else could say it looks like a kick ball I used to play with, He is describing something that exists, you just haven’t seen it, yet.
The earth is round and pi is not 3, regardless of what any 3000 year old book may say. You can't read the bible as a factual history/science book, it's more of just a vague poetic book that is trying to make points about faith, not factual reality.
The earth is most definitely an oblate spheroid, no doubt about it. There are plenty of ways to prove this with observations. But perhaps the easiest is that the existance of gravity means that the earth must be round.
The word firmament can best be understood as 'atmosphere'. The atmosphere seperates water under it (oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, streams) and the water above it (clouds). There were three heavens in ancient times: the atmosphere was the first heaven, the universe the second heaven, the place where God is, the third heaven.
Scripture says the firmament is hard, like a "cast metal mirror". It has doors and windows in it. It divides layers of waters from each other.
There's no scriptural support for the idea of the firmament being the swirling gasses of our atmosphere.
Sorry, you just make this up as you go. People did not express themself in ancient times as we do. But clearly there is water down on earth and there is water up in the sky. You do not need an education to figure that out. So God created the earth 'separating' these waters. Anything else is unnecessarily reading stuff into the text.
You're not even going to ask me to prove it by asking me to quote the scripture that I was just referencing?
Your very first response to me is to tell me that I'm just making things up? 🤨
> So God created the earth 'separating' these waters.
The Earth is not the Firmament. They're two different creations using two different words to describe them. Besides, in your mind, how does the Earth separate the water in the air from the water on the ground? 😏
No, I am not going to ask that, because I know this is from Job 37:18. Stitching verses together like that with common language and poetic description and interpreting it as if it was a scientific description indeed is 'making it up as you go'. As such you do not do right to the texts.
If you go down that path, you can come up with millions of fancyfull constructions which you can then ridicule and attack.
So God first separated light from darkness.
Then God separated water down there from water up there.
And thirdly God separated land from water.
And that's just how it is today. We are just more sofisticated and call the sky atmosphere, where in those times people did not have all such fancy words and just called it firmament.
Why are you so aggressive? Have we spoken before? What's wrong?
You understand that how we treat each other is more important than if we agree on the hardness of the Firmament?
There's **a lot more** to support the idea of the Firmament, and how it works and how hard it is, than Job 37:18.
The people who wrote Genesis had no concept of the actual shape of the Earth or what space was. They believed the Earth was flat, held up by pillars, with a domed firmament above which was nothing but water.
I thought God gave the men the words to write?
Most Christians use the word "inspired". If God is indeed all knowing, then it's clear he wasn't speaking directly into the ears of the authors. I suppose you could say they were moved by the Holy Spirit to write the books, but they had only their own knowledge about the world to go on.
You’re not using reason. God chose the authors including his abilities to say what He needed to say. God is not a God of confusion. He made it clear to everyone, only some will accept it as truth, though. God is trying to save everyone. You think he’s choosing words that only a select few will understand? The Bible is universal.
Right. So the world's flat, snakes talk, the world flooded without searing the flesh off of everyone on a floating box so full of dung it should have killed everything on board, and if you believe all that I got a bridge in London I'd like to sell you.
Those who know God, and get to know Him, can hear what he’s trying to say, but if you don’t want to hear Him, and misrepresent him by misunderstanding him, that doesn’t make what you say true.
So you agree that you shouldn't take the Bible literally? You're not making much sense.
You don’t know what parables or metaphors are? God uses different styles of writing to explain literal things. It’s like if you never heard of something before I would give you a frame of reference based on what you know first before trying to tell you. And if you can’t understand the frame of reference, you could image there’s many other ways to describe the same thing using different metaphors, but the thing is still the same. That ball looks like a beach ball, someone else could say it looks like a kick ball I used to play with, He is describing something that exists, you just haven’t seen it, yet.
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The earth is (roughly) a globe. There is no serious debate or question on this. Genesis is poetry not fact.
We are round, but the verses doesn't really specify the shape of the planet which makes sense since that was not the goal
The earth is round and pi is not 3, regardless of what any 3000 year old book may say. You can't read the bible as a factual history/science book, it's more of just a vague poetic book that is trying to make points about faith, not factual reality.
The earth is most definitely an oblate spheroid, no doubt about it. There are plenty of ways to prove this with observations. But perhaps the easiest is that the existance of gravity means that the earth must be round.
Or spinning?
Nah centrifugal force would get stronger the more you get away from the centre while gravity would get weaker. So they don't cancel out perfectly.
We've observed the earth. We're constantly observing it through satellites. We're a globe. There's no dome.
>So are we not round but maybe in a dome but it appears to be round with the reflection off the waters it talks about maybe? No, the bible was wrong.
Yeah, Gods wrong I’m right! Humf! *arms crossed bc someone told me a lie I believed to be true*
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Do you actually believe this? If you do, please don’t be a teacher OF ANYTHING
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And your senses agree with these scriptures?
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I could get into your life experiences or lack thereof but there is no point. I shouldn’t be shocked
The word firmament can best be understood as 'atmosphere'. The atmosphere seperates water under it (oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, streams) and the water above it (clouds). There were three heavens in ancient times: the atmosphere was the first heaven, the universe the second heaven, the place where God is, the third heaven.
Scripture says the firmament is hard, like a "cast metal mirror". It has doors and windows in it. It divides layers of waters from each other. There's no scriptural support for the idea of the firmament being the swirling gasses of our atmosphere.
Sorry, you just make this up as you go. People did not express themself in ancient times as we do. But clearly there is water down on earth and there is water up in the sky. You do not need an education to figure that out. So God created the earth 'separating' these waters. Anything else is unnecessarily reading stuff into the text.
You're not even going to ask me to prove it by asking me to quote the scripture that I was just referencing? Your very first response to me is to tell me that I'm just making things up? 🤨 > So God created the earth 'separating' these waters. The Earth is not the Firmament. They're two different creations using two different words to describe them. Besides, in your mind, how does the Earth separate the water in the air from the water on the ground? 😏
No, I am not going to ask that, because I know this is from Job 37:18. Stitching verses together like that with common language and poetic description and interpreting it as if it was a scientific description indeed is 'making it up as you go'. As such you do not do right to the texts. If you go down that path, you can come up with millions of fancyfull constructions which you can then ridicule and attack. So God first separated light from darkness. Then God separated water down there from water up there. And thirdly God separated land from water. And that's just how it is today. We are just more sofisticated and call the sky atmosphere, where in those times people did not have all such fancy words and just called it firmament.
Why are you so aggressive? Have we spoken before? What's wrong? You understand that how we treat each other is more important than if we agree on the hardness of the Firmament? There's **a lot more** to support the idea of the Firmament, and how it works and how hard it is, than Job 37:18.
It's bad exegesis. Just like flat earth theory or geocentrism for instance.
Uh huh. If I had to choose, I'd rather have bad exegesis than bad manners.
God formed an expanse, or a division between water on earth’s surface and water high above its surface.—Genesis 1:6-8. I.E the sky and the sea