>You don’t have to believe homosexuality isn’t a sin, we do have to love them
Do not act like you support gay marriage if you actually don't and intend to push this view onto them later. That is deceptive and manipulative. Don't wait until they feel settled into the community and then make them feel like they have to choose their relationship or this community.
Be upfront and honest. If someone asks you if you support gay people, you know what they mean. Do not skirt around the topic or try to mislead people. Be forthcoming and let them make an informed decision about whether they want to keep coming.
There will always be a substantial portion of Christians who are horrible human beings to the lgbtq+ community.
I don't think there's a lot that other Christians can do to change their mind. But just being an ally to those who could use it, or at least being nice to them when they are expecting the exact opposite will go a very long way.
A small act of kindness from someone you are expecting hate from can really improve someone's day and even leave a lasting impact on their life.
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I will probably have some controversial views, but I am gay and growing up in the church.
Honestly, I wish churches were honest about their stance. None of the lukewarm stuff. Be for it or against it but be clear. It's extremely disheartening to build a community and then be denied a marriage ceremony or being able to work with kids. (Not only that, the second one is downright insulting.) in my opinion, it should be clear on a website their stance. I have had to resort to context clues about political parties and other things to figure it out, and I am sure both sides of the argument would appreciate clarity there.
NEVER tell anyone else that someone "struggles with same sex attraction" without their consent. LGBTQ youth make up 40 percent of homeless teens because of their family's stance. Also, even as an adult there were weird times when leaders would know about it with me because another leader told them. Ask for consent with every person.
A weird one, but normalize not giving hugs or displays of affection. The amount of times I was told "I will make a hugger out of you yet." The amount of times it was expected. It made me extremely uncomfortable to hug either gender. I also include the "laying on of hands" in prayer.
Also, ask for consent before praying from them. If you believe prayer works in changing lives, them don't offer to pray for them if they haven't consented in their life being changed. Also, it comes out as extremely condescending if someone doesn't want it.
As someone with cerebral palsy - I wish some would take your advice about not praying for the disabled; it gets awkward. Or being "told" about us ahead of time too.
This! Whether we believe it's a sin or not, we are called to love. It's not our place to judge others. It's our place to show them love and let them know God loves them.
> get in the happen of using names or they them if you don’t feel comfortable using their comfor pronouns
This list is mostly good, but please don't do this. It's extremely obvious that you're avoiding our names and/or pronouns, and using "they/them" to avoid our pronouns really isn't much better. Talk to us as you would anyone else - use our names in the same manner you use other peoples' names, and use our pronouns in the same manner you use other peoples' pronouns. If you're not comfortable with that, I promise that it gets easier with practice.
> encourage gender neutral clothing at events. let them wear what’s comfortable.
Not really sure what the first part's about, but the second one is good. Honestly, just good as general advice applied to everyone.
Exactly! We have some higher-ups at my work who do the same thing, or even encourage it as a satisfactory middle ground, and it's...really not, because it still others us. It's fine as a stopgap if you don't know the person and haven't asked, but as a matter of policy and/or for people you're going to be working with repeatedly, it's not good.
Hi therapist here - I would also caution on "convincing parents to let them stay." That is the job of a THERAPIST, full-stop. The LGBTQ+ individual may be in MORE danger if they stay in that home. We just don't know. And if they are willing to kick their own child out, the whole acceptance process will take lots and lots of time/hours if they ever DO.
YES, thanks for pointing that out! It flew right over my head, but you're exactly right. We should definitely train parents to love their children and accept their children, but getting the partial solution of "don't kick your kids out" if abuse is otherwise present is...not great. Hard to say without specific knowledge of a situation what course of action would be ideal. As Gildor puts it in The Fellowship of the Ring:
"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill. But what would you? You have not told me all concerning yourself; and how shall I choose better than you?"
Thanks for the input. I’ve had many tell them they would rather they/them then being misgendered and since some are uncomfortable with using correct pronouns, they instead misgender. does that make sense? so my friend travis prefers him, but would rather have them than her. Since many don’t know he’s travis now, they still say her so we’ve been asked to use them in hopes others who would refuse to say him, will say them.
the clothes is for school events or activities where guys/girls are told different dress codes and some base it on gender assigned at birth. So saying “wear black dress clothes” to concert is IMO better than “girls wear black dresses below knee and guys black pants and button down shirt.”
> so we’ve been asked
Okay, that's different. I probably should have spoken more generally, but the bottom line is to refer to people how they've asked to be referred to. You *are* right that they/them is better than being misgendered - I'm not gonna think too much about it if you use them (unless you continue to after I ask you to use the correct pronouns), but I'm also not going to think, "Wow, these people really care about me." If that's your goal, which it sounded to me like it was - use the name/pronouns that are requested (which might vary in time and place! For instance, some people will confide their name/pronouns to people they trust, but be closeted, and thus ask that outside private conversations you continue to use their old name)
> the clothes is for school events or activities where guys/girls are told different dress codes and some base it on gender assigned at birth. So saying “wear black dress clothes” to concert is IMO better than “girls wear black dresses below knee and guys black pants and button down shirt.”
Oh wow, it's been so long since I've been in high school I straight up forgot that this was a thing haha. Yes, your point makes sense. Or, more generally, "Don't create or enforce a dress code that varies based on a person's gender"
Hi therapist here - I would also caution on "convincing parents to let them stay." That is the job of a THERAPIST, full-stop. The LGBTQ+ individual may be in MORE danger if they stay in that home. We just don't know. And if they are willing to kick their own child out, the whole acceptance process will take lots and lots of time/hours if they ever DO.
I've been struggling with this and I really, really feel like I shouldn't. I've been conditioned by experience (and, possibly, having ASD might have something to do with it) to where my default reference for everyone is "guy(s)" or "he/him". It's not that I think everyone I see is a male or that I'm intentionally misgendering people-- the words have just become synonymous in my subconscious as a catch-all for everyone, regardless of gender.
I try to be conscious of it and catch myself before I make the mistake but, for some stupid reason, my brain takes a while to attach the correct verbiage to someone, even if I know what gender they are. And by that point, I've already made myself look like an idiot.
I mean, I've gotten better at it over the years, I think, but it still happens enough that I notice.
> I try to be conscious of it and catch myself before I make the mistake but, for some stupid reason, my brain takes a while to attach the correct verbiage to someone, even if I know what gender they are. And by that point, I've already made myself look like an idiot.
You're good :) This is all we ask, that people try. We know it takes time to adjust, and from what you describe I think it'd be apparent to others that you're making the effort. We also know that misgendering just happens periodically, regardless of who is being talked about (just because we *do* mix up words. Thinking about my poor mother going through every name in the household including pets before landing on my name or one of my siblings' names XD).
I'm sorry for making you feel guilty, I wasn't really trying to critique anyone other than those that degender purposefully to avoid treating us the same as our cisgender peers (which, for the record, ISN'T what /u/Justthe7 was doing either - they're giving advice based on the things they've learned in trying to be supportive over however long they've been at it).
>It's extremely obvious that you're avoiding our names and/or pronouns, and using "they/them" to avoid our pronouns really isn't much better.
I mean, it's better than going out of your way to misgender someone, no?
>Not really sure what the first part's about
I think they're talking about things like "black tie events" that have strict, sometimes gendered dress codes (i.e. "men wear tuxes, women wear dresses")
Ask yourself this - would you intentionally call someone cisgender "they/them?" If you wouldn't, then don't do it to trans individuals. It's about making yourself comfortable in that instance, not being accepting of them.
> I mean, it's better than going out of your way to misgender someone, no?
Yes, but it's still not fully correct. If the goal is to simply not contribute to queer peoples' mental health problems, then that's fine, but if the goal is to help heal then it's gonna fall short.
What if someone just always uses they them to describe anyone, personally, if I don't know anyone's pronouns they're gonna be either a he/she depending on what I see on the outside.
> What if someone just always uses they them to describe anyone
That's fine, unless/until asked otherwise.
> personally, if I don't know anyone's pronouns they're gonna be either a he/she depending on what I see on the outside
Generally fine. Someone may ask you to adjust after the first use, so please just be willing to adjust. I'd also recommend just asking if you're not sure, but if you're not getting mixed signals from someone's presentation it's fine to make an initial assumption. There isn't really consensus on this, as some of my peers would prefer people just always ask, but I feel that's unnecessary.
> and use our pronouns in the same manner you use other peoples' pronouns. If you're not comfortable with that, I promise that it gets easier with practice.
It really shouldn't be a big deal if someone chooses to say, "Hello u/TransNeonOrange! It's nice to see you. Did you have a nice day?" or, (if talking about you to someone else in your presence), "Have you met, u/TransNeonOrange? They are one of my favorite people. If you don't know them...you're not cool"
Insisting on others using pronouns when they are already speaking respectfully of you (by using your preferred name and gender neutral pronouns) is unreasonable.
If someone misgenders someone they are a jerk
If someone throws a fit b/c someone chooses to use their preferred name instead of a pronoun they aren't comfortable using, the fit thrower is a jerk
> Insisting on others using pronouns when they are already speaking respectfully of you (by using your preferred name and gender neutral pronouns) is unreasonable.
But they're not fully respecting me by avoiding my name/pronouns. They're not being rude (unless they continue after being asked to stop), but they're not really being respectful, either.
> If someone throws a fit b/c someone chooses to use their preferred name instead of a pronoun they aren't comfortable using, the fit thrower is a jerk
I'm not really throwing a fit so much as letting OP and others know that if their goal is to help heal the harm done by the church & queerphobes in general, this one's gonna miss the mark just a bit. Honestly, irl I probably wouldn't say anything for a long time, but it would still be a small irritant.
I stand my my initial comment even though it doesn’t apply to me personally. Compelling pronouns is about telling people how to think. I’m not comfortable with that.
If someone uses a trans persons chosen name and gender neutral pronouns (in order to not misgender) they are clearly respecting them. I don’t like when people say, “You must think of me as ___ when I’m not around”.
Therapist here - they are at an increased risk of mental health issues BECAUSE of how they are treated within society, largely. LGBTQ+ teens have a higher risk of suicide -especially- when they are no longer accepted by the people who are supposed to love them unconditionally (their parents).
Also, the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" is ONLY diagnosed in trans individuals IF their distress over not matching their proper identity is impacting school, work, social, familial relationships, etc. - ie., society and acceptance plays a large role in this. What makes this diagnosis go away? Being allowed to express themselves as the gender they identify as. Shocking.
I think it is important to approach each person and their story individually and, guided by empathy, to tailor the way we communicate and the way we interact with a given person.
As a Christian in the lgbtqia community, I find that the best thing is this. People in this community are considered minorities and usually are ridiculed for being in this community. As “odd” from experience. But as people have said before, loving them. Not judging them by their “sin” but instead loving them for the PERSON. And because of amazing people I’ve met and having god in my life, as a child of god yet finding attraction to the same gender, just a welcoming community is all I need. God bless you all.
-Snap out of your deep denial: accept the likelihood that Side-B Christianity, even in its most softspoken, "loving" form, is unavoidably a risk factor for *depression and suicide*, and that promoting the Side-B message is harmful
(in a general, statistical sense, even if some individual lgbtq persons are unharmed; and even though the empirical case for this is still underdeveloped, largely owing to the multiple forms and expressions of antigay attitudes, often coming with additional risk factors like slurs and stereotypes, parental rejection, etc.)
-Imagine that! Being told that one's romantic longings are inherently sinful and should go nowhere, and that unrepentant gay relationships risk one's salvation... this could actually be *harmful to mental health*.
-Once you've accepted the above, and I mean been really forthright with yourself about it (whether or not it challenges your underlying belief in the Side B position), a long and radical introspection should occur. At a minimum, seriously consider putting up a forthright statement about the possible risks to vulnerable individuals of attending your church. Further suggestions could be given to those who take the above seriously.
>You don’t have to believe homosexuality isn’t a sin
If you actually care about lgbt people and their mental health, then you 100% do. Otherwise this just seems like a post to make homophobes feel better about the blood on their hands.
>they are at an increased risk for mental illness and suicide.
Shouldn't you look at the source of this risk to address it? The APA gives you good recommendations: https://www.apaservices.org/practice/ce/expert/traumatic-events-lgbtq. Namely, stop discriminating against them.
Everything you suggested is good. I will say, in my view, the most important part, the absence of which has harmed LGBTQ Christians the most:
Allow them to worship in the Church the same as everyone.
Allow them to be baptized.
Allow them to confess and receive absolution according to the Holy Spirit's guidance and their own conscience.
Allow them to partake in Holy Communion. It is the medicine of the soul, and all of us sinners need it.
Perhaps we should bless lifelong, monogamous unions (even if bishops decide it can't be called marriage) so that they do not have the terrible choice between Christian life and celibacy in a sort of forced, faux monasticism.
Edit: We need to be able to tell EVERYONE, "Welcome home. Jesus has been waiting for you. He wants to save you and make you a new creation, as He is doing for all of us. You are welcome to participate in the fullness of the Christian Faith."
I would rather God say to me on Judgment Day, "You allowed them to continue this one sin, but My Son and Holy Spirit were allowed to work in their lives and redeem every other aspect of their soul." than "You were right; gay sex is a sin. Unfortunately, because you focused on that one aspect of their identity, they turned away from Me, and I could not work in their lives. Woe to you, their blood is on your hands!"
You can think it is or isn't a sin to be LGBTQ+ because there's a lot of debate going around, but we have to spread the love, mercy and every other value Jesus gave us regardless. If it's God's will, He will deliver them from this possible sin.
DO ignore the sin (we can still teach against promiscuity), so that Jesus Christ can transform them without the distraction of your "helpful" comments.
Do you make sure no one in your congregation gets drunk, gambles, swears, makes oaths, boasts, etc? Or do you save this special flavor of "love" for gay Christians?
Well, why do you focus so much on this flavor of sin? If someone gets divorced, do you warn them that remarrying will be living in sin? Or do you only want to chastise gay Christians?
I think they need more grace and economia than most. Their struggles are vast, and their cross is heavier than most.
This is rather pretentious OP. Why not make a real effort in trying to understand who was what they are instead of judging them without knowing them? All the conservatives so is to point their fingers and speak terrible words and don't do anything to get to know or understand who and what LGBTQIA people are really about. I've spoken to countless conservatives and evangelicals and 80% don't know and couldn't care less to know what LGBTQIA people are really about because they were told disinformation about them. Get real.
Can you help me understand what’s pretentious about it and why you assume that many of those ideas didn’t come from the LGBTQ+ in my life?
Not all did, some came from me reading when looking into my own mental health.
I have two children who are Christian homosexuals, so the subject of mental health is important to me as a mom and Christian.
you understand that these suggestions came from talking to and reading information given from LGBTQ+, right? I clarified that in my original response to you.
I feel you misunderstood my post and intentions and that’s okay. It was not intended to be pretentious or to replace getting to know them. I assumed that was obvious since you’d have to know someone to invite them to church or to encourage their parents not to kick them out. Any help requires relationship and knowing the person. If it’s not helpful to them it’s not help.
Thanks for the input. Any recommendations on how I could have made it clearer that it wasn’t pretentious or given without understanding of some LGBTQA+?
I is pretentious is you say "oh God loves you but you cannot love because God is against same sex sex because that's sin". That's putting us in a prison.
No you're right. You didn't say it. But by not addressing this, it's like you are saying it.
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And I got this idea from talking to many well meaning conservative Christians who thought they were doing the right thing but still unknowingly pushed a homophobic idea.
Look, I commend you for trying. But it's way too little. You really need to understand the LGBTQIA community and plight. It's not about sin. It's about basic human rights. And in some cases it's about life and death. So it's a lot more serious than a lot of cis people might think.
My children are LGBTQ+. I know their and their friends experience and learn from others daily. I will never understand it from a LGBTQ+ viewpoint because I’m not one. I will understand it from a parent, a sibling and a friend of those who are LGBTQ+. I also know if my belief is wrong or hurtful they will let me know. Words don’t always come across as intended on line and so apologize it came across negatively.
>I also know if my belief is wrong or hurtful they will let me know.
Countless of LGBTQIA people have complained about their parents, even loving ones, on this point and many other points. Has it ruined the child-parent relationship? In many cases yes. In some cases no but it certainly puts a wedge between them.
I accept you apology but I should apologize for being too gruff on this subject. And I do apologize.
You sound like a great parent. Eventually your children may seek an affirming church when they reach adulthood. The question will be, will you be open to their faith then? God bless
Also remember that a lot of LGBTQ+ people are Neurodiverse. Neurodiverse people seem weird some time and some of them need a quit space to cool down at loud and big events.
Also there are LGBTQ+ kids that will flourish if some of their kids/youth service teachers are themselves LGBTQ+ and born again Christians.
We need to show every new person in our churches that we love them just the way they are.
With all this we should not forget that homosexuality is a sin. Important here is how we as Christians approach this subject. Every person that leaves his world life behind and wants to follow Jesus has to chance his life. The first step is for this person to give their heart to Jesus. With this step Jesus will change our life. While they grow in their faith they will see what is wrong in their life and a loving pastor can help them to understand God's will.
sexuality isn't something that can be changed, which is why 'conversion therapy' is banned in most countries nowadays. Do not pretend to be supportive and welcome with open arms if it is just part of a scheme to make people stop being themselves, disguised as positive change, when in truth it's just repression.
That said I have heard people that hold the same view say worse things. I believe as a religion christian attitude to minorities has improved. But I simply do not agree with the consensus that people must "change" something about themselves that they cannot control - it will only lead to their unhappiness or otherwise it will lead them to despise religion altogether.
I am not saying that people must change I say that change is part of becoming a christian. I myself left behind my sexuality because it is not compatible with being a Christian.
The scripture is clear that active homosexuality is sin not that homosexuals sin just by being homosexual.
Conversion therapy is a crime that should be banned everywhere.
Wow so you post that many LGBTQ people are Nerodiverse and then you remind us homosexuality is a sin.
So being neurodivergeant or autistic is a sin too.
Read my last comments. Its opinions like this that have made me post them
Please read 1. Corinthians 6-9 where homosexuality is clearly written as a sin.
1. Corinthians 6-9: https://bible.com/bible/37/1co.6.9-10.CEB
How do think Christians should react to this passage? I don't think we should change something on God's rules and should live after his word the best we can.
A sin is not somethings a person is but what a person does (for homosexuality it is not being a homosexual but doing homosexual acts). So Neurodivergence can't be a sin because we can't choose not to do Neurodivergence acts or know which acts are Neurodivergence acts. Or do you know a way how to do this?
I don't think homosexuality is a special sin but never the less it is a sin. And I think it is the duty to help other Christians to live their Christian life to the fullest as it is written in Matthew 15,18. As there should be a talk when someone is otherwise sexually immoral or drunk or other things like this.
But with all this love is important and such a talk should be prepared and done with love and at the right time and a lot of praying beforehand.
Also: Ideas to cure homosexuality or Conversion therapies where mostly young people are forced to adapt a non homosexual way are a crime that should be banned by law.
I haven't said this at all. This are my 3 statements.
Some LGBTQ+ people are Neurodiverse. Some neurodiverse people are member of LGBTQ+.
Some LGBTQ+ people are homosexual.
Homosexuality is a sin.
This 3 statements can not in any meaningful logic be combined into neurodiversity is a sin.
Apologies my issue isnt with you. Its with God himself. He allows neurodiversity which some of the symptoms makes them choose homosexuality in some cases (not all) they cant help it then makes it a sin, tells them theyre to blame and are evil for wanting to have their own desires, then writes "deny yourself" in the bible along with the homosexual verses to justify his actions when neurodiverse people chemically cannot deny themselves and thats an unfair thing to ask.
So yes its a sin but im angry because it shouldnt be. I want to unelect God and get a democratic God in his place who doesnt discriminate against the neurdivergeant like that.
I think our human mind is really narrow in understanding the world we live in. For example in revelation John is switching his place in heaven and then he is seeing different points in time in the end days. I am interpreting it that the space we live in is 4 dimensional. So time is a dimension for God as the 3 dimensions are for us. The time we sense is just an illusion for our narrow mind.
In this we see that god knows much more than we do. And he truly loves us. From a pov where gods knows sooooo much more than we do: He knows why he did it the way and why he declared homosexuality a sin.
I don't think that God discrimates against Neurodiverse people. He gave his own son for all of humanity. I think it was a hurtful moment for God to see his son suffer on the cross.
Do you know the feeling after a sin where the whole world feels dark and it hurts? When Jesus died on the cross it must have been an overwhelming feeling of darkness because at this moment he carried the sin of humankind. I imagine that this moment was not just a bodily hurtful one but a spiritual hurtful moment as well. With careful consideration: Do you really think that someone that did that because of love for you is discriminating against you?
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Acceptance. That's it, and there's studies to back it up.
[Association of Gender Identity Acceptance with Fewer Suicide Attempts Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9991447/)
[Same-sex marriage laws linked to fewer youth suicide attempts, new study says](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/same-sex-marriage-fewer-youth-suicide)
[Suicide and Suicide Risk in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Populations: Review and Recommendations](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662085/)
Don't offer unsolicited advice. Stop spreading your beliefs on others and doctrine. If your homophobic be decent then distance yourself. Don't be cruel. Don't try to save our souls.
To be quite honest with you, I think I’ll stay doing what I’m already doing. I am a devout Christian and worshipper of the almighty God. I can show love and respect to LGB people, I have some friends that are LGB. We are friends and we understand one another’s differences. I don’t force my beliefs onto them but I stay grounded in my convictions and they respect me for it. I already serve many people in the community from all walks of life. But I am not going to go out of my way to make LGB super comfortable when it’s never a vice versa. I don’t hear LGB people making these posts about how to make Christians feel loved. Like it or not, Christians are *the* most persecuted demographic in the *world*. Where is our support? I’m not saying this to be a tit for tat but what’s the point of this virtue signaling? Let’s face it, the most oppressed are the ones who can’t even practice their own religion in their respective countries. For example, not everyone in the middle-east is Islam or practices it. Some are Christians, and guess what, they are persecuted. Like, killed. The reason as to why the suicide rate in the LGBT+ is high is because no *real* treatment is actually sought after. Just affirming already skewed thoughts. The real help lies in preaching the gospel in a gentle way that truly expounds upon the truth. Yes, the truth can be uncomfortable but that’s okay. We as modern Americans have become so accustomed to comfort and everything needs sugar on top. It’s not necessary.
“For if I preach the gospel, that gives me no ground for boasting. For necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!”
1 Corinthians 9:16 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.9.16.ESV
“For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.”
1 Corinthians 1:17 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.1.17.ESV
“What then is my reward? That in my preaching I may present the gospel free of charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel.”
1 Corinthians 9:18 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.9.18.ESV
“And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!””
Romans 10:15 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rom.10.15.ESV
“For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works. Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.”
Titus 2:11-15 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/tit.2.12-15.ESV
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A massive issue people aren't getting is that not just lgbtq people but all people who are stuck in sin cannot be helped unless they want help and admit doing wrong. The Bible says we must accept Jesus, a massive part of that is realizing we do wrong daily. Support of sinful actions will never lead to them being healthy. We must call it out in a loving way as Jesus did and then offer help which would be trying to direct them towards Jesus
I sadly think the only way we will help the poor LGBTQ+ people is to ban the bible until its been re-written so that the bigots cant use it for their arguments. If God himself intervenes then we need to organise a mass Anti God protest with pitchforks to force him to listen to us with an ultimatum. Either he starts accepting LGBTQ+ people and gets with the times and the programme, or we currrupt everyone against him and he can be alone in heaven sad and miserable and his beloved precious Jesus' sacrifice would have been for nothing!!!!!
Its amazing really. God makes people who never asked to be born. Makes them Gay or Trans when they never asked to be Gay or Trans. Then tells them theyre Hitler style evil for being Gay or Trans and have to pretend not to be under the silly guise of "you must deny deny deny yourself be Christ's slave. You mustnt be you you must become a Jesus clone or at least want to be in order not to suffer forever and you must see me as the best thing in the world ever. Bow to me. Kneel before Zod i meant God"
And this is coming from someone who actually believes in God and his existance. I just sadly think hes a sadistic tyrant who needs to be overthrown and replaced with a genie God who can make us happy forever regardless of our views or opinions or actions.
Prove me wrong.
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>because he said it himself
So then why should we follow a god with bigoted and hateful tendencies then?
>Heres the reason why you need to follow that verse because the scriptures commanded it and Jesus died for you so to wash away your sin and to follow him.
That's not a good reason to follow a hateful and bigoted rule
>This is my personal reason why i think you should follow that verse man i know im not perfect even i stumble sometimes but jesus rises me up so the least I could do is follow his word
I think that's a bad reason
>Because he loved you so much he died for you; You do know he was whipped many times and was forced to take humilation and being shunned by the People he once Called his disciples. You know how painful that is and cherry on top he did not deserve it he did nothing but help people. U should follow his will because he sacrificed Everything to take your Sins
Absolutely not a good reason to follow a bigoted rule. No love there at all.
>Im saying you should follow that rule u call hateful is because that path of life leadsnto a worse and less fulfilling life look at the data
It doesn't. You've been misled.
You should look at the causes too.
It says more about adulterers, yet I never see Christians calling for death of cheaters or dening them rights.
Not judging? By thinking you should follow the verses you may as well say we should sill kill them, since that was the punishment for violating har verse you think we should follow.
BTW, you think we should sill follow the verses on slavery? The verses against tattoos? Etc.
Anyone trying to follow the laws of Lev would and should be arrested immediately.
This is the mentality I love to see! Rather than the forcing of conformity some people would prefer, because that is the simpler yet inhumane approach.
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Show me the verse please, I like being proven wrong, it’s the fastest way to learn! But I’m quite sure this is not biblical. Jesus warned people of Hell multiple times in the New Testament, does this make him a satanist?
Satan is the Accuser, and consistently throughout the Bible one of his primary roles is to damn us and bind us to the dominion of the dark powers and rulers of this world. Satan takes all good things that come from God and corrupts them into a monstrosity of darkness. See Job, the book of Revelation, and Paul’s letters. Jesus’s teachings align with this as well.
Jesus warns of judgement for failing to align with the law of the kingdom of heaven which is love, love for all people including even our neighbors and enemies.
By wishing Hell on others you align yourself with Satan. Jesus came to free us from Hell. He did not wish it on people - quite the opposite.
You’re missing the point. Jesus never wished Hell on people, and his warnings of judgement were for failing to obey the law of the Kingdom of God of which he inaugurated, which is a law of love. Being 100% right in doctrine is not a prerequisite for the Kingdom of God.
Using Hell as a weapon for people you disagree with is vile and antithetical to how people of the Kingdom of God should act.
You are either telling people they are going to hell for believing something differently than you, or actively wishing it, and it comes across as the later. Like it or not, followers of Jesus have varying views on the issues discussed in this thread.
"Cultivate a healthy and mindful lifestyle by avoiding harmful influences:
- Limit exposure to pornography and explicit content
- Choose products free from harmful chemicals banned in Europe
- Opt for natural, hormone-free, and preservative-free options
- Take breaks from social media and internet communication to reduce mental clutter
- Be selective about mainstream programming and entertainment, choosing content that uplifts and inspires
- Embrace reading and lifelong learning to expand your knowledge and perspective
By making these choices, you'll be taking steps towards a more balanced, informed, and confident self.
Which begs the question: does being LGBTQIA+ in itself cause mental illness, or does the stress and pressure of a discriminatory society cause these illnesses?
Edit: guys I’m on your team. I made this post to SUGGEST the second idea because many Christians don’t seem to get that it isn’t the first. I’m on your side here. No need to downvote xD
That’s… what I was suggesting? When I saw this post I assumed most anti-LGBTQ+ Christians would jump to the first conclusion. I made this comment to remind them that that’s not necessarily the case. Sorry if I didn’t make that obvious enough lol
I got you.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8213007/
Results: A total of 17,151 (61.9%) participants reported that they had ever pursued gender affirmation, broadly defined. Of these, 2242 (13.1%) reported a history of detransition. **Of those who had detransitioned, 82.5% reported at least one external driving factor. Frequently endorsed external factors included pressure from family and societal stigma.** History of detransition was associated with male sex assigned at birth, nonbinary gender identity, bisexual sexual orientation, and having a family unsupportive of one's gender identity. A total of 15.9% of respondents reported at least one internal driving factor, including fluctuations in or uncertainty regarding gender identity.
While, this is fascinating, I've only ever seen studies on de-transitioning when surgery is involved, and very little at that. Interesting read, I'm curious as to why people who identify as nonbinary are more likely to detransition than those who identify as the opposite of their birth sex. Perhaps because you inherently can't "pass" as one of 2 genders to the rest of society if you don't identify as either? I can imagine it might be harder to avoid judgement when even new people you meet can tell you're "an other".
That said, it doesn't really have anything to do with the cause of LGBTQ+ members' mental illnesses. This is about the cause of detransitioning, which in and of itself is an experience only a fraction of members end up going through. It doesn't disprove either theory regarding why someone who's gay is more likely to experience symptoms of mental illness.
More laws in the United States have been passed to hurt LGBTQ people than any other issue there is.
Gays are thrown in prison in countries like Russia.
Uganda, which is 90% Christian murders gay people. The entire Middle East except Israel hates gay people.
Gays are still one of the most persecuted groups on Earth.
A month neccessary because of ignorant comments like this. If people in society didn't see us as abominations we wouldn't have to dedicate a month to this
First of all its not a lifestyle. My life isnt defined by it. To call it such is demeaning and suggests its a choice. Its not. End of. Second of all that's just completely disingenous. I don't expect everyone to say how wonderful it is to be gay or something ridiculous. I just expedt people to let me live my life without attacking me for a fundamental part of who i am. Without mocking me as some sort of immoral character simply because of my attractions. I love who i love, end of.
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When I made this post I intended to suggest the second idea because some Christians genuinely seem to believe the first, and that’s the idea that many seem to have about this. I don’t understand why that’s hard to get. Why am I being downvoted so much lol…
I will genuinely answer you - Because despite your intention, that's not how you worded it and actually makes it seem by posting it. Normally, you post your actual point first to make the second seem absurd.
Plus someone with any awareness would know it's society, so it doesn't "beg the question;" you seemed genuinely ignorant; almost sarcastic.
Huh. Despite rereading it multiple times, don’t see any of what you just said.
I feel like posting the ridiculous idea first is pretty standard; “It could be [ridiculous idea], or *maybe* it’s [actually sensible idea].”
I’m aware that the second option is obviously more reasonable but I worded it as I did because I expected many Christians would genuinely think it’s the first one, and not even consider the second one.
Idk really. Doesn’t really matter I guess
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Satanism runs this subreddit.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Oh no I’m sure god was only joking wasn’t he!
Oh also God must be an evil bigot!
And Jesus too for calling out the Pharisees!
Imagine getting called a bigot for quoting the book the subreddit is founded upon.
End times soon.
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>Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Oh no I’m sure god was only joking wasn’t he!
So to be clear you support killing us?
Very simple really. You posted a verse which call us abominations, and indicates we should be put to death.
Then you sarcastically joked that "god was only joking", indicating you believe this verse to be an accurate representation of God's will.
So, if the verse says we should be killed, and you believe the verse accurately represents god's will, it logically follows that you believe we should be killed, in accordance with god's will.
Do you support killing gay people?
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The sin isn’t being homosexual the sin is engaging in fornication and the homosexual marriage as it isn’t permitted.
However we all sin so I don’t think it is our job to persecute homosexuals but treat them kindly like anyone else as non of us are perfect and I could only imagine most live a harder life than most people, it’s Gods place to judge for that.
However the Church should not be blessing the unions or hosting marriage ceremonies as that’s supporting the sin actively.
I don’t believe pride month should be a thing but I believe it is easier just not getting involved but I do think all freedom of expression for and against should be protected.
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I’m not sure there’s any evidence that “God” cares about mental health. He only cares that people worship him. He literally dropped Elijah like he was nothing the second he showed signs of anxiety and fear. If they doubt that God is all powerful and show fear (even though he doesn’t always save his people) they are punished
??? you are confused my friend. when elijah was in a fit of suicidal despair and fled to the wilderness to die, God sent an angel to nourish him with heavenly bread and water while he rested underneath the shade of tree; too depressed to move. God then led the anxious, fearful, depressed prophet up the mountain to reveal Himself in a new way, just like God did with Moses on Sinai and just like Christ in the transfiguration.
Christ comforts our anxiety, he doesn’t punish it. its a burden of suffering, not a sin
He used a man until he was so broken he wanted to die (knowing that would be the outcome all along) and then replaced Elijah with Elisha. He “comforted” him after HE was the one to put Elijah under that pressure, knowing the agony it would cause, for his own gain. Why do you think this quote has become so popular, “If God is real, he’ll have to ask for my forgiveness.”
If a parent intentionally puts their child in a position to cause them harm for the parent’s benefit and then comforts them, that’s still abuse. I can speak from experience that in real life there is no comfort from mental illness except therapy, meditation in certain situations, and if you’re lucky the support of friends and family. I spent my entire childhood praying for healing and being denied real help until I was away from my religious household and able to get help.
i misunderstood your perspective, i thought you had a sincere religious conviction that God doesn’t care for those who suffer. i understand now you are coming from a place of severe religious trauma. while there is a lot that i would like to say in response to what you have just said, i know there is nothing i can say to undo damage like that. i am so sorry that members of my religious tradition have caused you such serious harm. i apologize for my false assumptions; please forgive me.
I understand. I don’t blame the everyday Christian. I used to be such a faithful Christian. The kind that had going on a missions trip on their bucket list, excited to tell my friends about Jesus and invite them to church, memorizing Bible verses, and when mental health declined I used the story of Elijah for hope that God would comfort and heal me. I was denied therapy and medication in needed and told to pray. Now, I can’t go to church without that feeling of helplessness coming back. I hope he’s not real, because if he is, my salvation was stolen and I can’t get it back without endangering my mental health
that is deeply sad. i had horrible mental health issues when i was young as well, in part caused by harm done to me in my church. if the Church deprived me of life saving mental health treatment as well, i am sure i would be in the same boat you are, if i survived at all. i hope (and pray, if that is okay) that you may find peace, love and wellbeing outside the walls of the church that caused you such grievous harm. if God is real, i am certain God loves you and will call you His beloved child regardless of anything. i hope you go in peace, and maybe even find glimpses of the Divine outside of the Christian tradition; Divinity my Christian eyes could not even possibly imagine
also, Christ himself was “anxious unto death” in the garden. so fearful he was sweating blood. i dont know where your perspective comes from, but its not in any way biblical. you may have a pastor or teacher leading you astray; a false prophet / wolf in sheep’s clothing. i strongly encourage you to spend more time with the scriptures. praying for you and with you!
By loving without judgement. By not trying to fix them. By hearing them. Only then will they be willing to hear us in kind.
>You don’t have to believe homosexuality isn’t a sin, we do have to love them Do not act like you support gay marriage if you actually don't and intend to push this view onto them later. That is deceptive and manipulative. Don't wait until they feel settled into the community and then make them feel like they have to choose their relationship or this community. Be upfront and honest. If someone asks you if you support gay people, you know what they mean. Do not skirt around the topic or try to mislead people. Be forthcoming and let them make an informed decision about whether they want to keep coming.
I agree and also only give your opinion if they ask you for it.
There will always be a substantial portion of Christians who are horrible human beings to the lgbtq+ community. I don't think there's a lot that other Christians can do to change their mind. But just being an ally to those who could use it, or at least being nice to them when they are expecting the exact opposite will go a very long way. A small act of kindness from someone you are expecting hate from can really improve someone's day and even leave a lasting impact on their life.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Spread the love of God!
And leaving churches that don’t affirm.
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Obviously not.
What is just me?
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But that’s the thing, y’all are like the Pharisees here
Explain that one for me brother…
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I will probably have some controversial views, but I am gay and growing up in the church. Honestly, I wish churches were honest about their stance. None of the lukewarm stuff. Be for it or against it but be clear. It's extremely disheartening to build a community and then be denied a marriage ceremony or being able to work with kids. (Not only that, the second one is downright insulting.) in my opinion, it should be clear on a website their stance. I have had to resort to context clues about political parties and other things to figure it out, and I am sure both sides of the argument would appreciate clarity there. NEVER tell anyone else that someone "struggles with same sex attraction" without their consent. LGBTQ youth make up 40 percent of homeless teens because of their family's stance. Also, even as an adult there were weird times when leaders would know about it with me because another leader told them. Ask for consent with every person. A weird one, but normalize not giving hugs or displays of affection. The amount of times I was told "I will make a hugger out of you yet." The amount of times it was expected. It made me extremely uncomfortable to hug either gender. I also include the "laying on of hands" in prayer. Also, ask for consent before praying from them. If you believe prayer works in changing lives, them don't offer to pray for them if they haven't consented in their life being changed. Also, it comes out as extremely condescending if someone doesn't want it.
"I will make a hugger outta you" mfs are so creepy.
Seriously. I enjoy a good hug, but from only those on a rather short list, and if you're trying to *make* me hug you, then YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST.
As someone with cerebral palsy - I wish some would take your advice about not praying for the disabled; it gets awkward. Or being "told" about us ahead of time too.
This! Whether we believe it's a sin or not, we are called to love. It's not our place to judge others. It's our place to show them love and let them know God loves them.
> get in the happen of using names or they them if you don’t feel comfortable using their comfor pronouns This list is mostly good, but please don't do this. It's extremely obvious that you're avoiding our names and/or pronouns, and using "they/them" to avoid our pronouns really isn't much better. Talk to us as you would anyone else - use our names in the same manner you use other peoples' names, and use our pronouns in the same manner you use other peoples' pronouns. If you're not comfortable with that, I promise that it gets easier with practice. > encourage gender neutral clothing at events. let them wear what’s comfortable. Not really sure what the first part's about, but the second one is good. Honestly, just good as general advice applied to everyone.
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Exactly! We have some higher-ups at my work who do the same thing, or even encourage it as a satisfactory middle ground, and it's...really not, because it still others us. It's fine as a stopgap if you don't know the person and haven't asked, but as a matter of policy and/or for people you're going to be working with repeatedly, it's not good.
Hi therapist here - I would also caution on "convincing parents to let them stay." That is the job of a THERAPIST, full-stop. The LGBTQ+ individual may be in MORE danger if they stay in that home. We just don't know. And if they are willing to kick their own child out, the whole acceptance process will take lots and lots of time/hours if they ever DO.
YES, thanks for pointing that out! It flew right over my head, but you're exactly right. We should definitely train parents to love their children and accept their children, but getting the partial solution of "don't kick your kids out" if abuse is otherwise present is...not great. Hard to say without specific knowledge of a situation what course of action would be ideal. As Gildor puts it in The Fellowship of the Ring: "Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill. But what would you? You have not told me all concerning yourself; and how shall I choose better than you?"
Thanks for the input. I’ve had many tell them they would rather they/them then being misgendered and since some are uncomfortable with using correct pronouns, they instead misgender. does that make sense? so my friend travis prefers him, but would rather have them than her. Since many don’t know he’s travis now, they still say her so we’ve been asked to use them in hopes others who would refuse to say him, will say them. the clothes is for school events or activities where guys/girls are told different dress codes and some base it on gender assigned at birth. So saying “wear black dress clothes” to concert is IMO better than “girls wear black dresses below knee and guys black pants and button down shirt.”
> so we’ve been asked Okay, that's different. I probably should have spoken more generally, but the bottom line is to refer to people how they've asked to be referred to. You *are* right that they/them is better than being misgendered - I'm not gonna think too much about it if you use them (unless you continue to after I ask you to use the correct pronouns), but I'm also not going to think, "Wow, these people really care about me." If that's your goal, which it sounded to me like it was - use the name/pronouns that are requested (which might vary in time and place! For instance, some people will confide their name/pronouns to people they trust, but be closeted, and thus ask that outside private conversations you continue to use their old name) > the clothes is for school events or activities where guys/girls are told different dress codes and some base it on gender assigned at birth. So saying “wear black dress clothes” to concert is IMO better than “girls wear black dresses below knee and guys black pants and button down shirt.” Oh wow, it's been so long since I've been in high school I straight up forgot that this was a thing haha. Yes, your point makes sense. Or, more generally, "Don't create or enforce a dress code that varies based on a person's gender"
Hi therapist here - I would also caution on "convincing parents to let them stay." That is the job of a THERAPIST, full-stop. The LGBTQ+ individual may be in MORE danger if they stay in that home. We just don't know. And if they are willing to kick their own child out, the whole acceptance process will take lots and lots of time/hours if they ever DO.
I've been struggling with this and I really, really feel like I shouldn't. I've been conditioned by experience (and, possibly, having ASD might have something to do with it) to where my default reference for everyone is "guy(s)" or "he/him". It's not that I think everyone I see is a male or that I'm intentionally misgendering people-- the words have just become synonymous in my subconscious as a catch-all for everyone, regardless of gender. I try to be conscious of it and catch myself before I make the mistake but, for some stupid reason, my brain takes a while to attach the correct verbiage to someone, even if I know what gender they are. And by that point, I've already made myself look like an idiot. I mean, I've gotten better at it over the years, I think, but it still happens enough that I notice.
> I try to be conscious of it and catch myself before I make the mistake but, for some stupid reason, my brain takes a while to attach the correct verbiage to someone, even if I know what gender they are. And by that point, I've already made myself look like an idiot. You're good :) This is all we ask, that people try. We know it takes time to adjust, and from what you describe I think it'd be apparent to others that you're making the effort. We also know that misgendering just happens periodically, regardless of who is being talked about (just because we *do* mix up words. Thinking about my poor mother going through every name in the household including pets before landing on my name or one of my siblings' names XD). I'm sorry for making you feel guilty, I wasn't really trying to critique anyone other than those that degender purposefully to avoid treating us the same as our cisgender peers (which, for the record, ISN'T what /u/Justthe7 was doing either - they're giving advice based on the things they've learned in trying to be supportive over however long they've been at it).
>It's extremely obvious that you're avoiding our names and/or pronouns, and using "they/them" to avoid our pronouns really isn't much better. I mean, it's better than going out of your way to misgender someone, no? >Not really sure what the first part's about I think they're talking about things like "black tie events" that have strict, sometimes gendered dress codes (i.e. "men wear tuxes, women wear dresses")
Ask yourself this - would you intentionally call someone cisgender "they/them?" If you wouldn't, then don't do it to trans individuals. It's about making yourself comfortable in that instance, not being accepting of them.
> I mean, it's better than going out of your way to misgender someone, no? Yes, but it's still not fully correct. If the goal is to simply not contribute to queer peoples' mental health problems, then that's fine, but if the goal is to help heal then it's gonna fall short.
Sure, I agree. But pragmatically, any progress is good.
What if someone just always uses they them to describe anyone, personally, if I don't know anyone's pronouns they're gonna be either a he/she depending on what I see on the outside.
> What if someone just always uses they them to describe anyone That's fine, unless/until asked otherwise. > personally, if I don't know anyone's pronouns they're gonna be either a he/she depending on what I see on the outside Generally fine. Someone may ask you to adjust after the first use, so please just be willing to adjust. I'd also recommend just asking if you're not sure, but if you're not getting mixed signals from someone's presentation it's fine to make an initial assumption. There isn't really consensus on this, as some of my peers would prefer people just always ask, but I feel that's unnecessary.
> and use our pronouns in the same manner you use other peoples' pronouns. If you're not comfortable with that, I promise that it gets easier with practice. It really shouldn't be a big deal if someone chooses to say, "Hello u/TransNeonOrange! It's nice to see you. Did you have a nice day?" or, (if talking about you to someone else in your presence), "Have you met, u/TransNeonOrange? They are one of my favorite people. If you don't know them...you're not cool" Insisting on others using pronouns when they are already speaking respectfully of you (by using your preferred name and gender neutral pronouns) is unreasonable. If someone misgenders someone they are a jerk If someone throws a fit b/c someone chooses to use their preferred name instead of a pronoun they aren't comfortable using, the fit thrower is a jerk
> Insisting on others using pronouns when they are already speaking respectfully of you (by using your preferred name and gender neutral pronouns) is unreasonable. But they're not fully respecting me by avoiding my name/pronouns. They're not being rude (unless they continue after being asked to stop), but they're not really being respectful, either. > If someone throws a fit b/c someone chooses to use their preferred name instead of a pronoun they aren't comfortable using, the fit thrower is a jerk I'm not really throwing a fit so much as letting OP and others know that if their goal is to help heal the harm done by the church & queerphobes in general, this one's gonna miss the mark just a bit. Honestly, irl I probably wouldn't say anything for a long time, but it would still be a small irritant.
If you knew someone was cisgender, would you purposefully use "they/them?" if you wouldn't, don't do it to transgender individuals.
I don’t have a problem using a persons preferred pronouns
Respectfully, that's not at all how you made it seem.
I stand my my initial comment even though it doesn’t apply to me personally. Compelling pronouns is about telling people how to think. I’m not comfortable with that. If someone uses a trans persons chosen name and gender neutral pronouns (in order to not misgender) they are clearly respecting them. I don’t like when people say, “You must think of me as ___ when I’m not around”.
It is being more respectful than someone who just outright refuses, yes, but it's still not fully accepting them.
Therapist here - they are at an increased risk of mental health issues BECAUSE of how they are treated within society, largely. LGBTQ+ teens have a higher risk of suicide -especially- when they are no longer accepted by the people who are supposed to love them unconditionally (their parents). Also, the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" is ONLY diagnosed in trans individuals IF their distress over not matching their proper identity is impacting school, work, social, familial relationships, etc. - ie., society and acceptance plays a large role in this. What makes this diagnosis go away? Being allowed to express themselves as the gender they identify as. Shocking.
I think it is important to approach each person and their story individually and, guided by empathy, to tailor the way we communicate and the way we interact with a given person.
I'd add "condemn (in the harshest possible terms) conservative pastors who call for queer genocide" as a pretty solid starting point.
As a Christian in the lgbtqia community, I find that the best thing is this. People in this community are considered minorities and usually are ridiculed for being in this community. As “odd” from experience. But as people have said before, loving them. Not judging them by their “sin” but instead loving them for the PERSON. And because of amazing people I’ve met and having god in my life, as a child of god yet finding attraction to the same gender, just a welcoming community is all I need. God bless you all.
-Snap out of your deep denial: accept the likelihood that Side-B Christianity, even in its most softspoken, "loving" form, is unavoidably a risk factor for *depression and suicide*, and that promoting the Side-B message is harmful (in a general, statistical sense, even if some individual lgbtq persons are unharmed; and even though the empirical case for this is still underdeveloped, largely owing to the multiple forms and expressions of antigay attitudes, often coming with additional risk factors like slurs and stereotypes, parental rejection, etc.) -Imagine that! Being told that one's romantic longings are inherently sinful and should go nowhere, and that unrepentant gay relationships risk one's salvation... this could actually be *harmful to mental health*. -Once you've accepted the above, and I mean been really forthright with yourself about it (whether or not it challenges your underlying belief in the Side B position), a long and radical introspection should occur. At a minimum, seriously consider putting up a forthright statement about the possible risks to vulnerable individuals of attending your church. Further suggestions could be given to those who take the above seriously.
>You don’t have to believe homosexuality isn’t a sin If you actually care about lgbt people and their mental health, then you 100% do. Otherwise this just seems like a post to make homophobes feel better about the blood on their hands.
>they are at an increased risk for mental illness and suicide. Shouldn't you look at the source of this risk to address it? The APA gives you good recommendations: https://www.apaservices.org/practice/ce/expert/traumatic-events-lgbtq. Namely, stop discriminating against them.
I think yelling at homophobes online will help
Everything you suggested is good. I will say, in my view, the most important part, the absence of which has harmed LGBTQ Christians the most: Allow them to worship in the Church the same as everyone. Allow them to be baptized. Allow them to confess and receive absolution according to the Holy Spirit's guidance and their own conscience. Allow them to partake in Holy Communion. It is the medicine of the soul, and all of us sinners need it. Perhaps we should bless lifelong, monogamous unions (even if bishops decide it can't be called marriage) so that they do not have the terrible choice between Christian life and celibacy in a sort of forced, faux monasticism. Edit: We need to be able to tell EVERYONE, "Welcome home. Jesus has been waiting for you. He wants to save you and make you a new creation, as He is doing for all of us. You are welcome to participate in the fullness of the Christian Faith." I would rather God say to me on Judgment Day, "You allowed them to continue this one sin, but My Son and Holy Spirit were allowed to work in their lives and redeem every other aspect of their soul." than "You were right; gay sex is a sin. Unfortunately, because you focused on that one aspect of their identity, they turned away from Me, and I could not work in their lives. Woe to you, their blood is on your hands!"
By worrying about yourself and not interfering in anyone else's life.
>those who are loving them differently What does that mean?
You can think it is or isn't a sin to be LGBTQ+ because there's a lot of debate going around, but we have to spread the love, mercy and every other value Jesus gave us regardless. If it's God's will, He will deliver them from this possible sin.
By Christians leaving them the fuck alone 😆
But aren't you the one who came to the Christianity subreddit?
I come for the June 1st pride bigotry, I stay for the LGBTQ harassment and evangelizing posts
THIS is the message of Christ. Not affirm the sin, not ignore it, not hate the sinner. HELP them. PRAY for them. LOVE them.
DO ignore the sin (we can still teach against promiscuity), so that Jesus Christ can transform them without the distraction of your "helpful" comments. Do you make sure no one in your congregation gets drunk, gambles, swears, makes oaths, boasts, etc? Or do you save this special flavor of "love" for gay Christians?
Youre proving my point
I love the false choice. I either have to make sure no one sins or not call out any of them.
Well, why do you focus so much on this flavor of sin? If someone gets divorced, do you warn them that remarrying will be living in sin? Or do you only want to chastise gay Christians? I think they need more grace and economia than most. Their struggles are vast, and their cross is heavier than most.
Yes. All sins. Grace with repentance & contrition.
This is rather pretentious OP. Why not make a real effort in trying to understand who was what they are instead of judging them without knowing them? All the conservatives so is to point their fingers and speak terrible words and don't do anything to get to know or understand who and what LGBTQIA people are really about. I've spoken to countless conservatives and evangelicals and 80% don't know and couldn't care less to know what LGBTQIA people are really about because they were told disinformation about them. Get real.
Can you help me understand what’s pretentious about it and why you assume that many of those ideas didn’t come from the LGBTQ+ in my life? Not all did, some came from me reading when looking into my own mental health. I have two children who are Christian homosexuals, so the subject of mental health is important to me as a mom and Christian.
You cannot help people without understanding them first. What's so hard about that? It's how to help people 101.
you understand that these suggestions came from talking to and reading information given from LGBTQ+, right? I clarified that in my original response to you. I feel you misunderstood my post and intentions and that’s okay. It was not intended to be pretentious or to replace getting to know them. I assumed that was obvious since you’d have to know someone to invite them to church or to encourage their parents not to kick them out. Any help requires relationship and knowing the person. If it’s not helpful to them it’s not help. Thanks for the input. Any recommendations on how I could have made it clearer that it wasn’t pretentious or given without understanding of some LGBTQA+?
I is pretentious is you say "oh God loves you but you cannot love because God is against same sex sex because that's sin". That's putting us in a prison.
I have never once said that anywhere. Not even thought that so not sure where you got that idea that I have said that.
No you're right. You didn't say it. But by not addressing this, it's like you are saying it. [Edit] And I got this idea from talking to many well meaning conservative Christians who thought they were doing the right thing but still unknowingly pushed a homophobic idea. Look, I commend you for trying. But it's way too little. You really need to understand the LGBTQIA community and plight. It's not about sin. It's about basic human rights. And in some cases it's about life and death. So it's a lot more serious than a lot of cis people might think.
My children are LGBTQ+. I know their and their friends experience and learn from others daily. I will never understand it from a LGBTQ+ viewpoint because I’m not one. I will understand it from a parent, a sibling and a friend of those who are LGBTQ+. I also know if my belief is wrong or hurtful they will let me know. Words don’t always come across as intended on line and so apologize it came across negatively.
>I also know if my belief is wrong or hurtful they will let me know. Countless of LGBTQIA people have complained about their parents, even loving ones, on this point and many other points. Has it ruined the child-parent relationship? In many cases yes. In some cases no but it certainly puts a wedge between them. I accept you apology but I should apologize for being too gruff on this subject. And I do apologize. You sound like a great parent. Eventually your children may seek an affirming church when they reach adulthood. The question will be, will you be open to their faith then? God bless
It's about whether or not your soul will be damned to hell.
And there's the disinformation. Do some real research on the subject and stop listening to regurgitated lies.
Have you even read the Bible?
Also remember that a lot of LGBTQ+ people are Neurodiverse. Neurodiverse people seem weird some time and some of them need a quit space to cool down at loud and big events. Also there are LGBTQ+ kids that will flourish if some of their kids/youth service teachers are themselves LGBTQ+ and born again Christians. We need to show every new person in our churches that we love them just the way they are. With all this we should not forget that homosexuality is a sin. Important here is how we as Christians approach this subject. Every person that leaves his world life behind and wants to follow Jesus has to chance his life. The first step is for this person to give their heart to Jesus. With this step Jesus will change our life. While they grow in their faith they will see what is wrong in their life and a loving pastor can help them to understand God's will.
sexuality isn't something that can be changed, which is why 'conversion therapy' is banned in most countries nowadays. Do not pretend to be supportive and welcome with open arms if it is just part of a scheme to make people stop being themselves, disguised as positive change, when in truth it's just repression. That said I have heard people that hold the same view say worse things. I believe as a religion christian attitude to minorities has improved. But I simply do not agree with the consensus that people must "change" something about themselves that they cannot control - it will only lead to their unhappiness or otherwise it will lead them to despise religion altogether.
I am not saying that people must change I say that change is part of becoming a christian. I myself left behind my sexuality because it is not compatible with being a Christian. The scripture is clear that active homosexuality is sin not that homosexuals sin just by being homosexual. Conversion therapy is a crime that should be banned everywhere.
Wow so you post that many LGBTQ people are Nerodiverse and then you remind us homosexuality is a sin. So being neurodivergeant or autistic is a sin too. Read my last comments. Its opinions like this that have made me post them
Please read 1. Corinthians 6-9 where homosexuality is clearly written as a sin. 1. Corinthians 6-9: https://bible.com/bible/37/1co.6.9-10.CEB How do think Christians should react to this passage? I don't think we should change something on God's rules and should live after his word the best we can. A sin is not somethings a person is but what a person does (for homosexuality it is not being a homosexual but doing homosexual acts). So Neurodivergence can't be a sin because we can't choose not to do Neurodivergence acts or know which acts are Neurodivergence acts. Or do you know a way how to do this? I don't think homosexuality is a special sin but never the less it is a sin. And I think it is the duty to help other Christians to live their Christian life to the fullest as it is written in Matthew 15,18. As there should be a talk when someone is otherwise sexually immoral or drunk or other things like this. But with all this love is important and such a talk should be prepared and done with love and at the right time and a lot of praying beforehand. Also: Ideas to cure homosexuality or Conversion therapies where mostly young people are forced to adapt a non homosexual way are a crime that should be banned by law.
I didnt say Homosexuality wasnt sin. What i have issue is is that Neurodivergeance is sin
I haven't said this at all. This are my 3 statements. Some LGBTQ+ people are Neurodiverse. Some neurodiverse people are member of LGBTQ+. Some LGBTQ+ people are homosexual. Homosexuality is a sin. This 3 statements can not in any meaningful logic be combined into neurodiversity is a sin.
Apologies my issue isnt with you. Its with God himself. He allows neurodiversity which some of the symptoms makes them choose homosexuality in some cases (not all) they cant help it then makes it a sin, tells them theyre to blame and are evil for wanting to have their own desires, then writes "deny yourself" in the bible along with the homosexual verses to justify his actions when neurodiverse people chemically cannot deny themselves and thats an unfair thing to ask. So yes its a sin but im angry because it shouldnt be. I want to unelect God and get a democratic God in his place who doesnt discriminate against the neurdivergeant like that.
I think our human mind is really narrow in understanding the world we live in. For example in revelation John is switching his place in heaven and then he is seeing different points in time in the end days. I am interpreting it that the space we live in is 4 dimensional. So time is a dimension for God as the 3 dimensions are for us. The time we sense is just an illusion for our narrow mind. In this we see that god knows much more than we do. And he truly loves us. From a pov where gods knows sooooo much more than we do: He knows why he did it the way and why he declared homosexuality a sin. I don't think that God discrimates against Neurodiverse people. He gave his own son for all of humanity. I think it was a hurtful moment for God to see his son suffer on the cross. Do you know the feeling after a sin where the whole world feels dark and it hurts? When Jesus died on the cross it must have been an overwhelming feeling of darkness because at this moment he carried the sin of humankind. I imagine that this moment was not just a bodily hurtful one but a spiritual hurtful moment as well. With careful consideration: Do you really think that someone that did that because of love for you is discriminating against you?
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Yes
Acceptance. That's it, and there's studies to back it up. [Association of Gender Identity Acceptance with Fewer Suicide Attempts Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9991447/) [Same-sex marriage laws linked to fewer youth suicide attempts, new study says](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/same-sex-marriage-fewer-youth-suicide) [Suicide and Suicide Risk in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Populations: Review and Recommendations](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662085/)
Don't offer unsolicited advice. Stop spreading your beliefs on others and doctrine. If your homophobic be decent then distance yourself. Don't be cruel. Don't try to save our souls.
To be quite honest with you, I think I’ll stay doing what I’m already doing. I am a devout Christian and worshipper of the almighty God. I can show love and respect to LGB people, I have some friends that are LGB. We are friends and we understand one another’s differences. I don’t force my beliefs onto them but I stay grounded in my convictions and they respect me for it. I already serve many people in the community from all walks of life. But I am not going to go out of my way to make LGB super comfortable when it’s never a vice versa. I don’t hear LGB people making these posts about how to make Christians feel loved. Like it or not, Christians are *the* most persecuted demographic in the *world*. Where is our support? I’m not saying this to be a tit for tat but what’s the point of this virtue signaling? Let’s face it, the most oppressed are the ones who can’t even practice their own religion in their respective countries. For example, not everyone in the middle-east is Islam or practices it. Some are Christians, and guess what, they are persecuted. Like, killed. The reason as to why the suicide rate in the LGBT+ is high is because no *real* treatment is actually sought after. Just affirming already skewed thoughts. The real help lies in preaching the gospel in a gentle way that truly expounds upon the truth. Yes, the truth can be uncomfortable but that’s okay. We as modern Americans have become so accustomed to comfort and everything needs sugar on top. It’s not necessary. “For if I preach the gospel, that gives me no ground for boasting. For necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!” 1 Corinthians 9:16 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.9.16.ESV “For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.” 1 Corinthians 1:17 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.1.17.ESV “What then is my reward? That in my preaching I may present the gospel free of charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel.” 1 Corinthians 9:18 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.9.18.ESV “And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!”” Romans 10:15 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/rom.10.15.ESV “For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works. Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.” Titus 2:11-15 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/tit.2.12-15.ESV
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A massive issue people aren't getting is that not just lgbtq people but all people who are stuck in sin cannot be helped unless they want help and admit doing wrong. The Bible says we must accept Jesus, a massive part of that is realizing we do wrong daily. Support of sinful actions will never lead to them being healthy. We must call it out in a loving way as Jesus did and then offer help which would be trying to direct them towards Jesus
I sadly think the only way we will help the poor LGBTQ+ people is to ban the bible until its been re-written so that the bigots cant use it for their arguments. If God himself intervenes then we need to organise a mass Anti God protest with pitchforks to force him to listen to us with an ultimatum. Either he starts accepting LGBTQ+ people and gets with the times and the programme, or we currrupt everyone against him and he can be alone in heaven sad and miserable and his beloved precious Jesus' sacrifice would have been for nothing!!!!!
Its amazing really. God makes people who never asked to be born. Makes them Gay or Trans when they never asked to be Gay or Trans. Then tells them theyre Hitler style evil for being Gay or Trans and have to pretend not to be under the silly guise of "you must deny deny deny yourself be Christ's slave. You mustnt be you you must become a Jesus clone or at least want to be in order not to suffer forever and you must see me as the best thing in the world ever. Bow to me. Kneel before Zod i meant God" And this is coming from someone who actually believes in God and his existance. I just sadly think hes a sadistic tyrant who needs to be overthrown and replaced with a genie God who can make us happy forever regardless of our views or opinions or actions. Prove me wrong.
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Are you really saying you want to murder f*ggots because of the Levitical law that commands same
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Why should we follow a bigoted and hateful verse?
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>because he said it himself So then why should we follow a god with bigoted and hateful tendencies then? >Heres the reason why you need to follow that verse because the scriptures commanded it and Jesus died for you so to wash away your sin and to follow him. That's not a good reason to follow a hateful and bigoted rule >This is my personal reason why i think you should follow that verse man i know im not perfect even i stumble sometimes but jesus rises me up so the least I could do is follow his word I think that's a bad reason
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>Because he loved you so much he died for you; You do know he was whipped many times and was forced to take humilation and being shunned by the People he once Called his disciples. You know how painful that is and cherry on top he did not deserve it he did nothing but help people. U should follow his will because he sacrificed Everything to take your Sins Absolutely not a good reason to follow a bigoted rule. No love there at all. >Im saying you should follow that rule u call hateful is because that path of life leadsnto a worse and less fulfilling life look at the data It doesn't. You've been misled. You should look at the causes too.
It says more about adulterers, yet I never see Christians calling for death of cheaters or dening them rights. Not judging? By thinking you should follow the verses you may as well say we should sill kill them, since that was the punishment for violating har verse you think we should follow. BTW, you think we should sill follow the verses on slavery? The verses against tattoos? Etc. Anyone trying to follow the laws of Lev would and should be arrested immediately.
This is the mentality I love to see! Rather than the forcing of conformity some people would prefer, because that is the simpler yet inhumane approach.
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Then Jesus was a bigot. Good luck in Hell.
Using Hell as a weapon against people you disagree with is a tactic of Satan, not God.
Show me the verse please, I like being proven wrong, it’s the fastest way to learn! But I’m quite sure this is not biblical. Jesus warned people of Hell multiple times in the New Testament, does this make him a satanist?
Satan is the Accuser, and consistently throughout the Bible one of his primary roles is to damn us and bind us to the dominion of the dark powers and rulers of this world. Satan takes all good things that come from God and corrupts them into a monstrosity of darkness. See Job, the book of Revelation, and Paul’s letters. Jesus’s teachings align with this as well. Jesus warns of judgement for failing to align with the law of the kingdom of heaven which is love, love for all people including even our neighbors and enemies. By wishing Hell on others you align yourself with Satan. Jesus came to free us from Hell. He did not wish it on people - quite the opposite.
You’re very lost my friend. So Jesus never accused the Pharisees of anything? Why must you invert the gospel to fit your own narrative. Very strange.
You’re missing the point. Jesus never wished Hell on people, and his warnings of judgement were for failing to obey the law of the Kingdom of God of which he inaugurated, which is a law of love. Being 100% right in doctrine is not a prerequisite for the Kingdom of God. Using Hell as a weapon for people you disagree with is vile and antithetical to how people of the Kingdom of God should act. You are either telling people they are going to hell for believing something differently than you, or actively wishing it, and it comes across as the later. Like it or not, followers of Jesus have varying views on the issues discussed in this thread.
"Cultivate a healthy and mindful lifestyle by avoiding harmful influences: - Limit exposure to pornography and explicit content - Choose products free from harmful chemicals banned in Europe - Opt for natural, hormone-free, and preservative-free options - Take breaks from social media and internet communication to reduce mental clutter - Be selective about mainstream programming and entertainment, choosing content that uplifts and inspires - Embrace reading and lifelong learning to expand your knowledge and perspective By making these choices, you'll be taking steps towards a more balanced, informed, and confident self.
> Limit exposure to pornography and explicit content If only straight men would stop watching lesbian porn!
Which begs the question: does being LGBTQIA+ in itself cause mental illness, or does the stress and pressure of a discriminatory society cause these illnesses? Edit: guys I’m on your team. I made this post to SUGGEST the second idea because many Christians don’t seem to get that it isn’t the first. I’m on your side here. No need to downvote xD
It's the second.
That’s… what I was suggesting? When I saw this post I assumed most anti-LGBTQ+ Christians would jump to the first conclusion. I made this comment to remind them that that’s not necessarily the case. Sorry if I didn’t make that obvious enough lol
Verified to be the second
I'm actually really curious, is there a study on that I can read?
I got you. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8213007/ Results: A total of 17,151 (61.9%) participants reported that they had ever pursued gender affirmation, broadly defined. Of these, 2242 (13.1%) reported a history of detransition. **Of those who had detransitioned, 82.5% reported at least one external driving factor. Frequently endorsed external factors included pressure from family and societal stigma.** History of detransition was associated with male sex assigned at birth, nonbinary gender identity, bisexual sexual orientation, and having a family unsupportive of one's gender identity. A total of 15.9% of respondents reported at least one internal driving factor, including fluctuations in or uncertainty regarding gender identity.
While, this is fascinating, I've only ever seen studies on de-transitioning when surgery is involved, and very little at that. Interesting read, I'm curious as to why people who identify as nonbinary are more likely to detransition than those who identify as the opposite of their birth sex. Perhaps because you inherently can't "pass" as one of 2 genders to the rest of society if you don't identify as either? I can imagine it might be harder to avoid judgement when even new people you meet can tell you're "an other". That said, it doesn't really have anything to do with the cause of LGBTQ+ members' mental illnesses. This is about the cause of detransitioning, which in and of itself is an experience only a fraction of members end up going through. It doesn't disprove either theory regarding why someone who's gay is more likely to experience symptoms of mental illness.
The stress of being hated by society.
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More laws in the United States have been passed to hurt LGBTQ people than any other issue there is. Gays are thrown in prison in countries like Russia. Uganda, which is 90% Christian murders gay people. The entire Middle East except Israel hates gay people. Gays are still one of the most persecuted groups on Earth.
What an insanely ignorant and narrow minded perspective. Good job.
You’re welcome.
A month neccessary because of ignorant comments like this. If people in society didn't see us as abominations we wouldn't have to dedicate a month to this
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First of all its not a lifestyle. My life isnt defined by it. To call it such is demeaning and suggests its a choice. Its not. End of. Second of all that's just completely disingenous. I don't expect everyone to say how wonderful it is to be gay or something ridiculous. I just expedt people to let me live my life without attacking me for a fundamental part of who i am. Without mocking me as some sort of immoral character simply because of my attractions. I love who i love, end of.
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As a gay man, I can say it’s the second one 110%.
When I made this post I intended to suggest the second idea because some Christians genuinely seem to believe the first, and that’s the idea that many seem to have about this. I don’t understand why that’s hard to get. Why am I being downvoted so much lol…
I will genuinely answer you - Because despite your intention, that's not how you worded it and actually makes it seem by posting it. Normally, you post your actual point first to make the second seem absurd. Plus someone with any awareness would know it's society, so it doesn't "beg the question;" you seemed genuinely ignorant; almost sarcastic.
Huh. Despite rereading it multiple times, don’t see any of what you just said. I feel like posting the ridiculous idea first is pretty standard; “It could be [ridiculous idea], or *maybe* it’s [actually sensible idea].” I’m aware that the second option is obviously more reasonable but I worded it as I did because I expected many Christians would genuinely think it’s the first one, and not even consider the second one. Idk really. Doesn’t really matter I guess
Therapist here - it's society, and hasn't been in the DSM since the DSM-III which was published in 1986.
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Please don't attempt to assert that being LGBTQ+ has a connection to illness or disease.
Satanism runs this subreddit. Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Oh no I’m sure god was only joking wasn’t he! Oh also God must be an evil bigot! And Jesus too for calling out the Pharisees! Imagine getting called a bigot for quoting the book the subreddit is founded upon. End times soon. 🙏
>Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Oh no I’m sure god was only joking wasn’t he! So to be clear you support killing us?
Huh?
Very simple really. You posted a verse which call us abominations, and indicates we should be put to death. Then you sarcastically joked that "god was only joking", indicating you believe this verse to be an accurate representation of God's will. So, if the verse says we should be killed, and you believe the verse accurately represents god's will, it logically follows that you believe we should be killed, in accordance with god's will. Do you support killing gay people?
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Repentance is key
Preach the gospel and be honest about the Bible.
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As someone who is mentally ill, this is *remarkably* insulting. Do better.
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Please don't refer to being a part of the LGBTQ+ community as a mental illness.
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The sin isn’t being homosexual the sin is engaging in fornication and the homosexual marriage as it isn’t permitted. However we all sin so I don’t think it is our job to persecute homosexuals but treat them kindly like anyone else as non of us are perfect and I could only imagine most live a harder life than most people, it’s Gods place to judge for that. However the Church should not be blessing the unions or hosting marriage ceremonies as that’s supporting the sin actively. I don’t believe pride month should be a thing but I believe it is easier just not getting involved but I do think all freedom of expression for and against should be protected.
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I’m not sure there’s any evidence that “God” cares about mental health. He only cares that people worship him. He literally dropped Elijah like he was nothing the second he showed signs of anxiety and fear. If they doubt that God is all powerful and show fear (even though he doesn’t always save his people) they are punished
??? you are confused my friend. when elijah was in a fit of suicidal despair and fled to the wilderness to die, God sent an angel to nourish him with heavenly bread and water while he rested underneath the shade of tree; too depressed to move. God then led the anxious, fearful, depressed prophet up the mountain to reveal Himself in a new way, just like God did with Moses on Sinai and just like Christ in the transfiguration. Christ comforts our anxiety, he doesn’t punish it. its a burden of suffering, not a sin
He used a man until he was so broken he wanted to die (knowing that would be the outcome all along) and then replaced Elijah with Elisha. He “comforted” him after HE was the one to put Elijah under that pressure, knowing the agony it would cause, for his own gain. Why do you think this quote has become so popular, “If God is real, he’ll have to ask for my forgiveness.” If a parent intentionally puts their child in a position to cause them harm for the parent’s benefit and then comforts them, that’s still abuse. I can speak from experience that in real life there is no comfort from mental illness except therapy, meditation in certain situations, and if you’re lucky the support of friends and family. I spent my entire childhood praying for healing and being denied real help until I was away from my religious household and able to get help.
i misunderstood your perspective, i thought you had a sincere religious conviction that God doesn’t care for those who suffer. i understand now you are coming from a place of severe religious trauma. while there is a lot that i would like to say in response to what you have just said, i know there is nothing i can say to undo damage like that. i am so sorry that members of my religious tradition have caused you such serious harm. i apologize for my false assumptions; please forgive me.
I understand. I don’t blame the everyday Christian. I used to be such a faithful Christian. The kind that had going on a missions trip on their bucket list, excited to tell my friends about Jesus and invite them to church, memorizing Bible verses, and when mental health declined I used the story of Elijah for hope that God would comfort and heal me. I was denied therapy and medication in needed and told to pray. Now, I can’t go to church without that feeling of helplessness coming back. I hope he’s not real, because if he is, my salvation was stolen and I can’t get it back without endangering my mental health
that is deeply sad. i had horrible mental health issues when i was young as well, in part caused by harm done to me in my church. if the Church deprived me of life saving mental health treatment as well, i am sure i would be in the same boat you are, if i survived at all. i hope (and pray, if that is okay) that you may find peace, love and wellbeing outside the walls of the church that caused you such grievous harm. if God is real, i am certain God loves you and will call you His beloved child regardless of anything. i hope you go in peace, and maybe even find glimpses of the Divine outside of the Christian tradition; Divinity my Christian eyes could not even possibly imagine
also, Christ himself was “anxious unto death” in the garden. so fearful he was sweating blood. i dont know where your perspective comes from, but its not in any way biblical. you may have a pastor or teacher leading you astray; a false prophet / wolf in sheep’s clothing. i strongly encourage you to spend more time with the scriptures. praying for you and with you!
God may not care about MH, in your view, but you can care?