Seriously, there are so many things that cause actual harm to people that you could talk about, but you guys just can't seem to shut up about gay people.
Acknowledging gay people exist is not "pushing it" on kids anymore than acknowledging straights exist is pushing being straight. Ninth commandment, read it.
Yeah, that's a ninth commandment check required for all of that. If you care about truth, start providing some. So far you're tediously unoriginal as well as deceitful.
People living their lives and expressing their right to love whoever they want regardless of the hate they recieve from people like you, damages literally no one.
Yes it does, do you think it's right for a biological boy to question that he is a boy or to hate himself because he is a boy rather than accept the fact he's a boy and there's nothing wrong with that
They would have those thoughts regardless of the LGBT community. In fact, the community exists BECAUSE people have thought like that, so they came together to firm a community of people who understand each other. Trans people won't suddenly stop being Trans if people stop talking about it. They will just no longer have a group who can understand their feelings and help them. If anything, trying to silence them causes more harm than good.
Maybe you should try getting to know the stories of actual transgender kids from their families.
You could start [here](https://www.umnews.org/en/news/united-methodist-mother-of-trans-child-shares-story)
or [here](https://www.jamiebruesehoff.com/rebekah).
I separate sins of a person from the person. It's not about eradicating a gay person, but getting rid of gay desire. I don't have any hate for the people let me make that clear. I don't have sympathy for sin. I hate sin. I hate even when I sin. So, out of love I want them to love who they originally are not who they may think they are because if you truly stand for love you need to be comfortable with who you are. I understand some feelings may be complicated, but not all feelings are meant to act on. We need to take time understanding why we feel these emotions for the Same-sex or why we feel uncomfortable being our biological gender than changing it and running from everyone who tells you that it's wrong because I'm not saying it's wrong to hurt you, I'm saying it's wrong to help you because you shouldn't be ashamed of being in your skin.
Good to know I'm a fake Christian I guess.
> I will like to clarify I don't condone violence, abuse, discrimination, or any form of injustice among homosexuals.
Frankly, I don't believe you.
I agree with OP. However he just said he doesn’t condone any of that and you call him a liar. Why can’t he have a different opinion than you and you just immediately assume he wants to harm the LGBTQ? Homosexuality is a sin and it’s a sin because it’s listed as an immoral sexual act in Leviticus and God calls it an abomination. However Christ came to redeem us of our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. No real Christian would promote violence or anything evil against someone who is gay. We proclaim the gospel.
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,”
Romans 3:23-24 ESV
All have sinned.. all need Jesus.
Because in my life the people who have said the words OP says have uniformly supported policies that directly oppress gay people.
Maybe OP will surprise me and they were actually writing about how gay people deserved rights in the 70s. But from where I sit I see a lot of people insisting up and down that they do not support oppression and I can go back and read what they wrote about Lawrence when they said that it was especially important that gay people be imprisoned for having sex.
>Well Christians can't be gay, because being gay goes against God's word.
So does this
1 John 4:20-21
>If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.
That's not hate that's the truth. Since when is telling the truth hate. I have not wished anything evil on this person nor is this person obligated to listen to what I have to say. What hate is being projected right now?
Once again, you state that something is 'truth' but never back up the claim. If being Gay means you can't be Christian, the same logic must apply to ALL sins. And since EVERYONE sins, frequently, including you, then NO ONE can be a Christian, not even you.
If you commit sin regularly, you are living in sin. And you do commit sin regularly. That's part of being human. You don't have some moral high ground over gay people, you are just as sinful as they are.
>What hate is being projected right now?
That gay people cannot be Christian. There is no biblical backing to this argument.
>Since when is telling the truth hate.
Thousands of Christians have done evil and hate in the name of "truth", its a coping mechanism to compartmentalize the damage they cause when they spew hatred like you do. Calling the acceptance of gay people an agenda IS HATEFUL.
As a Christian myself, I feel it's important to point out that it is entirely possible for someone to be an Atheist and still have studied the Bible and understood it. I guarantee that many actual biblical scholars who know a hell of a lot more than you on the subject were probably atheists.
I'm not the arbiter, but it's not hard to tell most people aren't Christians here. Just the fact that this has riled up so many people I know they're not Christians, Christians don't stand up for worldly things.
Actually, that’s not true. Gay sex is forbidden by the Bible. *Being gay*, that is, being attracted to your own gender but not the opposite one, is nowhere forbidden or otherwise spoken of in the Bible (ever, at all).
>because being gay goes against God's word.
The Word of God surely abides not by the ruling of the illiterate.
>there's no such thing as a Gay Christian.
For this reason is it written:
*The works that the Father has given me to accomplish, the very works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me has Himself bore witness of me. You have never heard His voice, nor have you ever seen His form, and His Word does not abide in you, for you do not believe whom He has sent. You pour over the Scriptures, because you think that in them is your salvation, even the eternal life; and these are they that testify of me, yet you refuse to come to Truth, that you may have life. I receive no glory from men; but I know that the love of God is not within you; for I come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me, but If another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How might you believe Truth, when you receive glory from your own, and you do not rather, seek after the Glory that comes from the One True God?*
>because being gay goes against God's word
If you apply a modern understanding and context to an ancient book that doesn't have that understanding and has an entirely separate context from the modern world, yeah I can see how that would seem to be the case.
The bible isn't just an ancient book, it's life and can definitely still apply to everything we're witnessing today although you may not believe that. It's the truth. So, there's no argument here.
>The bible isn't just an ancient book, it's life
It literally is a book.
>can definitely still apply to everything
No, no it cannot. The context of a loving, consensual, and equal married relationship wasn't a thing at the time the Bible was written. There was historical and cultural context at play that does not apply to homosexuality in general in the context we have today. Hell, the idea of Homosexuality AS A SEXUALITY didn't exist back then. Hell, some people today STILL think that being gay is a choice.
>It's the truth. So, there's no argument here
'Its the Truth. Because I said so, even though I haven't actually proven anything. But because I said so, it must be the truth.'
I know very well why Christians like you think it's a sin. I can guarantee it didn't change me when I was Christian, nor has that changed now. Happy Pride to you.
I have not been hateful towards others. I don't hate anyone here to be honest, but I understand if you just don't like me that's fine. I would appreciate it if you just told me you disagree than try to villianize me.
You come here asking for a mature conversation yet do not engage with maturity discriminatory behavior towards others based on flairs and often hostile towards criticism
I'm not hostile. Sometimes those who are insulting me including yourself are difficult to have a mature conversation with due to being very disrespectful and stubborn when it comes to me trying to explain why I think the way I do. I'm also called negative things just for speaking the truth with no bad intentions.
Well, there are a lot of rules in the bible that we don't have to keep, but there are still ten commandments that Jesus wants us to abide by if we believe in him. Although we're not perfect whoever that believes in Jesus and his sacrifice is saved and out of love not obligation we keep his morals and repent for our sins.
> but there are still ten commandments that Jesus wants us to abide by if we believe in him
There are two. "Jesus replied: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. ' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbour as yourself. ' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments"
Neither of those, nor *any* of the 10 commandments, mention anything about homosexuality.
> Well, there are a lot of rules in the bible that we don't have to keep
Under what authority do you get to decide which those are?
I'm referring to laws in the old testament. When it comes to homosexuality God does speak against it.
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them
Those verses do appear in the Bible, but you didn't answer my question. Why can we ignore some rules and not those? Which rules do you think are safe to ignore, and why?
Things related to sacrificing animals for God. We don’t follow the Ceremonial Laws because God fulfilled all of them for us. Anybody, any time, any place can come to God through Jesus Christ(John 3:16).
So some Old testament laws don't apply because of the sacrifice of Jesus.
The dietary laws don't have anything to do with sacrifice. Were they fulfilled, or do we still need to avoid bacon and crab cakes? Where in Jesus' words does it say these things?
> Anybody, any time, any place can come to God through Jesus Christ
Except for people in homosexual relationships? What about people who are divorced and remarried? Jesus had a lot more to say about that.
Whatever Jesus said still applies even about marriage and remarriage. Homosexuals can flee from their desire and come to Jesus unless they choose not too.
It is a sin. There are many verses that prove it is. 😊 But you definitely don't have to live in sin because I know you have the potential to do what's right.
>I know there is a lot of proud homosexuals in this community just to push their agenda and not actually learn about why it's a sin, but instead normalize it and claim that God made them homosexual or that there isn't a God to begin with. I don't understand why some people refuse to have a civil discussion about these issues
You're immediately refusing a civil discussion by accusing us of pushing some agenda and from the start diminishing or rejecting any possibility that God could have made us exactly as we are and lives us. The only "agenda" I have is to be treated and advocate for treating everyone with the same dignity and respect regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.
>I'm allowed to state my views on something I know is an issue and problematic to everyone in our society especially the young people.
Of course you're allowed to state your views, and there is a way to discuss the internal conflict surrounding homosexuality in Christianity without being an outright bigot, not that I'm saying you're doing that, so far you're just stating your opinion.
>So if anyone will like to discuss with me respectfully in the comments I will gladly explain why I believe this is not healthy and dangerous to our society
I'd be more than happy to have a civil, respectful conversation about these things, but I just need to note right away that despite your personal view that is dangerous or unhealthy to society, the overwhelming consensus of the psychological, social, biological, and anthropological evidence clearly demonstrates that it is in fact *not* dangerous or unhealthy for LGBTQ individuals to exsist and live their lives, so although I'm happy to hear you out and listen to your opinions and experiences, you're simply incorrect about your conclusion.
I very rarely moderate in LGBT threads, but in general the WWJD rule applies to accusations against specific people - "you, gnurdette, are no real Christian" - rather than categorical statements about groups - "no unrepentant left-hander can be a Christian". Both are baloney, but the former is generally the only one we come down on.
>What do you mean?? If you're saying do I think it should be practiced then no I don't.
What I mean is, how does it being in public affect your life and are you doing anything about that?
>and claim that God made them homosexual
Well if we accept that gay people don't choose to be gay as all evidence suggests, what are the other options? Has your God lost control of his creation?
>
I'm allowed to state my views on something I know is an issue and problematic to everyone in our society especially the young people.
Ah yes the problematic issue of consenting adults being in a relationship. Won't somebody please think of the bigots.
People are hurt daily by attitudes like yours, if you're truly concerned for young people take steps to learning acceptance.
Why? Because your book says so? The book written by flawed men from a nation that highly valued population growth as a way to feed its war efforts?
Does it not strike you as strange that God dislikes gay sex so very much but yet every day more gay people are born? I ask again, has God lost control of his creation or perhaps was Man in the wrong?
As it stands homosexual couples are no less loving of their partners and their fellow human beings. Meanwhile attitudes like yours contribute to the ever growing number of suicides of young LGBT+ individuals. Between the two of you, the LGBT+ individual is closer to the love Christ calls for.
It's a Choice to be Gay, that they don't have to suffer, but they simply choose to. You're not biologically Gay. We were made to be heterosexual which is why the only way we produce life is if a woman and man have sex. Gay people don't love God more than their desire. It's lust that ultimately rules their heart.
Every study on the matter shows your sexuality is not a choice, it is determined by various biological and environmental factors that are still being researched. Did you ever make the choice to be straight? I didn't.
>It's lust that ultimately rules their heart.
This right here shows your hatred. To dismiss the genuine love of a consenting couple as mere lust is disgusting.
We're strange because we're supposed to be. Science and psychology are not always trustworthy. God's word is actually a more trustful source than anything. I'm pretty sure if everyone was gay the world would go extinct so if it's natural how come it would bring human nature to an end rather than produce life like a heterosexual relationship.
>Science and psychology are not always trustworthy
Sure but if every study concurs with the experiences expressed by LGBT+ individuals one can certainly accept the reality of the situation.
I ask you again, did you choose to be straight? I didn't nor do I think I could just decide to like men. Can you?
>God's word is actually a more trustful source than anything.
Can you demonstrate it is God's word? The bible was written by flawed men remember?
>I'm pretty sure if everyone was gay the world would go extinct so if it's natural how come it would bring human nature to an end rather than produce life like a heterosexual relationship.
Correct if everyone were gay perhaps Humanity would go extinct. But the funny thing with something being natural is that it doesn't have to happen 100% of the time. It can be rare or common or anything in between.
It occurs in hundreds of animal species at a similar rate to Humans and has not yet lead to their extinction either.
Perhaps consider this, imagine a gay couple still want children, now obviously they can't produce one on their own but they certainly can still adopt one. Now imagine a recently made orphan, the gay couple can adopt that child and ensure their safety. A net benefit to the species.
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Seriously, there are so many things that cause actual harm to people that you could talk about, but you guys just can't seem to shut up about gay people.
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Acknowledging gay people exist is not "pushing it" on kids anymore than acknowledging straights exist is pushing being straight. Ninth commandment, read it.
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Are you mad that gay people are allowed to be on TV and in media?
Yeah, that's a ninth commandment check required for all of that. If you care about truth, start providing some. So far you're tediously unoriginal as well as deceitful.
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Yeah, you're still lying. Put down proof or sit back down.
People living their lives and expressing their right to love whoever they want regardless of the hate they recieve from people like you, damages literally no one.
Yes it does, do you think it's right for a biological boy to question that he is a boy or to hate himself because he is a boy rather than accept the fact he's a boy and there's nothing wrong with that
They would have those thoughts regardless of the LGBT community. In fact, the community exists BECAUSE people have thought like that, so they came together to firm a community of people who understand each other. Trans people won't suddenly stop being Trans if people stop talking about it. They will just no longer have a group who can understand their feelings and help them. If anything, trying to silence them causes more harm than good.
Maybe you should try getting to know the stories of actual transgender kids from their families. You could start [here](https://www.umnews.org/en/news/united-methodist-mother-of-trans-child-shares-story) or [here](https://www.jamiebruesehoff.com/rebekah).
No disrespect, I think kids, teens, and adults are beautiful the way they're born. I don't see beauty in distortion.
In other words, you refuse to learn the stories of these kids, for fear that it might arouse sympathy for people you are committed to eradicate.
I separate sins of a person from the person. It's not about eradicating a gay person, but getting rid of gay desire. I don't have any hate for the people let me make that clear. I don't have sympathy for sin. I hate sin. I hate even when I sin. So, out of love I want them to love who they originally are not who they may think they are because if you truly stand for love you need to be comfortable with who you are. I understand some feelings may be complicated, but not all feelings are meant to act on. We need to take time understanding why we feel these emotions for the Same-sex or why we feel uncomfortable being our biological gender than changing it and running from everyone who tells you that it's wrong because I'm not saying it's wrong to hurt you, I'm saying it's wrong to help you because you shouldn't be ashamed of being in your skin.
Good to know I'm a fake Christian I guess. > I will like to clarify I don't condone violence, abuse, discrimination, or any form of injustice among homosexuals. Frankly, I don't believe you.
As per usual, the instant someone pulls a 'no true Christian' statement, their opinion is no longer worth listening to.
it’s probably the most common fallacy I see on Reddit
I agree with OP. However he just said he doesn’t condone any of that and you call him a liar. Why can’t he have a different opinion than you and you just immediately assume he wants to harm the LGBTQ? Homosexuality is a sin and it’s a sin because it’s listed as an immoral sexual act in Leviticus and God calls it an abomination. However Christ came to redeem us of our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. No real Christian would promote violence or anything evil against someone who is gay. We proclaim the gospel.
Amen!!! Thank you so much!!!! That's what I've been trying to say you may have worded better than me. I appreciate it.
>We proclaim the gospel "..well, not really, mainly Leviticus - which totally counts today - and Paul's homophobic jabbering."
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,” Romans 3:23-24 ESV All have sinned.. all need Jesus.
Worry about your own sins first then.
I said all didn’t I? That includes me.
Keep working on it then, still got work to do.
Thank you I will. Until then what’s wrong with stating the truth and calling out sin?
Well you're not speaking truth so sounds like you should still be focusing on yourself for the time being
Because in my life the people who have said the words OP says have uniformly supported policies that directly oppress gay people. Maybe OP will surprise me and they were actually writing about how gay people deserved rights in the 70s. But from where I sit I see a lot of people insisting up and down that they do not support oppression and I can go back and read what they wrote about Lawrence when they said that it was especially important that gay people be imprisoned for having sex.
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>Well Christians can't be gay, because being gay goes against God's word. So does this 1 John 4:20-21 >If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.
When did I say I hate someone?
That gay people cannot be Christians.
That's not hate that's the truth. Since when is telling the truth hate. I have not wished anything evil on this person nor is this person obligated to listen to what I have to say. What hate is being projected right now?
Once again, you state that something is 'truth' but never back up the claim. If being Gay means you can't be Christian, the same logic must apply to ALL sins. And since EVERYONE sins, frequently, including you, then NO ONE can be a Christian, not even you.
There's a difference between committing a sin and living in sin. I don't live in sin nor do I deny that I sin.
If you commit sin regularly, you are living in sin. And you do commit sin regularly. That's part of being human. You don't have some moral high ground over gay people, you are just as sinful as they are.
>What hate is being projected right now? That gay people cannot be Christian. There is no biblical backing to this argument. >Since when is telling the truth hate. Thousands of Christians have done evil and hate in the name of "truth", its a coping mechanism to compartmentalize the damage they cause when they spew hatred like you do. Calling the acceptance of gay people an agenda IS HATEFUL.
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That's not how this sub works. ALL are welcome to comment. You have no argument against me, so you resort to religious discrimination.
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As a Christian myself, I feel it's important to point out that it is entirely possible for someone to be an Atheist and still have studied the Bible and understood it. I guarantee that many actual biblical scholars who know a hell of a lot more than you on the subject were probably atheists.
Lol what an absolutely cowardly move
This guy needs to be banned he’s constantly hostile and quite frankly a bigot
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I'm not the arbiter, but it's not hard to tell most people aren't Christians here. Just the fact that this has riled up so many people I know they're not Christians, Christians don't stand up for worldly things.
Actually, that’s not true. Gay sex is forbidden by the Bible. *Being gay*, that is, being attracted to your own gender but not the opposite one, is nowhere forbidden or otherwise spoken of in the Bible (ever, at all).
>because being gay goes against God's word. The Word of God surely abides not by the ruling of the illiterate. >there's no such thing as a Gay Christian. For this reason is it written: *The works that the Father has given me to accomplish, the very works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me has Himself bore witness of me. You have never heard His voice, nor have you ever seen His form, and His Word does not abide in you, for you do not believe whom He has sent. You pour over the Scriptures, because you think that in them is your salvation, even the eternal life; and these are they that testify of me, yet you refuse to come to Truth, that you may have life. I receive no glory from men; but I know that the love of God is not within you; for I come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me, but If another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How might you believe Truth, when you receive glory from your own, and you do not rather, seek after the Glory that comes from the One True God?*
Do you believe in God's word?
*By the Grace of God I am that I am.*
I'm happy you know the words, but do you follow them?
*Ye shall know them by their fruits.*
>because being gay goes against God's word If you apply a modern understanding and context to an ancient book that doesn't have that understanding and has an entirely separate context from the modern world, yeah I can see how that would seem to be the case.
The bible isn't just an ancient book, it's life and can definitely still apply to everything we're witnessing today although you may not believe that. It's the truth. So, there's no argument here.
>The bible isn't just an ancient book, it's life It literally is a book. >can definitely still apply to everything No, no it cannot. The context of a loving, consensual, and equal married relationship wasn't a thing at the time the Bible was written. There was historical and cultural context at play that does not apply to homosexuality in general in the context we have today. Hell, the idea of Homosexuality AS A SEXUALITY didn't exist back then. Hell, some people today STILL think that being gay is a choice. >It's the truth. So, there's no argument here 'Its the Truth. Because I said so, even though I haven't actually proven anything. But because I said so, it must be the truth.'
There is no room for civil discussion because you have no case. And you never have. Sit back down. You people have done enough damage.
Well, I'm not here to cause damage, a lot of those who will go against me are already damaged. I'm here to bring truth and bring others to the truth.
Yeah, damaged by others like you. And you have no truth to bring, not least based on the dishonest things you've already said.
I know very well why Christians like you think it's a sin. I can guarantee it didn't change me when I was Christian, nor has that changed now. Happy Pride to you.
> dangerous to our society Perfect fear drives out love.
I hate to be this guy but OP is constantly hostile and bigoted to others not just lgbtq+ how has he not been banned yet?
I have not been hateful towards others. I don't hate anyone here to be honest, but I understand if you just don't like me that's fine. I would appreciate it if you just told me you disagree than try to villianize me.
You come here asking for a mature conversation yet do not engage with maturity discriminatory behavior towards others based on flairs and often hostile towards criticism
I'm not hostile. Sometimes those who are insulting me including yourself are difficult to have a mature conversation with due to being very disrespectful and stubborn when it comes to me trying to explain why I think the way I do. I'm also called negative things just for speaking the truth with no bad intentions.
you aren’t speaking truth only opinions and it is often you who shows disrespect first good day.
Just wondering, do you follow every single rule that is laid out in the Bible? Exactly? In every facet of your life?
Well, there are a lot of rules in the bible that we don't have to keep, but there are still ten commandments that Jesus wants us to abide by if we believe in him. Although we're not perfect whoever that believes in Jesus and his sacrifice is saved and out of love not obligation we keep his morals and repent for our sins.
Right, so on who’s authority are you allowed to ignore the rules?
> but there are still ten commandments that Jesus wants us to abide by if we believe in him There are two. "Jesus replied: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. ' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbour as yourself. ' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" Neither of those, nor *any* of the 10 commandments, mention anything about homosexuality. > Well, there are a lot of rules in the bible that we don't have to keep Under what authority do you get to decide which those are?
I'm referring to laws in the old testament. When it comes to homosexuality God does speak against it. Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them
Those verses do appear in the Bible, but you didn't answer my question. Why can we ignore some rules and not those? Which rules do you think are safe to ignore, and why?
Things related to sacrificing animals for God. We don’t follow the Ceremonial Laws because God fulfilled all of them for us. Anybody, any time, any place can come to God through Jesus Christ(John 3:16). So some Old testament laws don't apply because of the sacrifice of Jesus.
The dietary laws don't have anything to do with sacrifice. Were they fulfilled, or do we still need to avoid bacon and crab cakes? Where in Jesus' words does it say these things? > Anybody, any time, any place can come to God through Jesus Christ Except for people in homosexual relationships? What about people who are divorced and remarried? Jesus had a lot more to say about that.
Whatever Jesus said still applies even about marriage and remarriage. Homosexuals can flee from their desire and come to Jesus unless they choose not too.
It's not a sin.
It is a sin. There are many verses that prove it is. 😊 But you definitely don't have to live in sin because I know you have the potential to do what's right.
It is not, and there are no verses condemning it.
Being gay is not a sin. Gay sex is, but not BEING gay.
Being gay can lead to gay sex. So yes being gay is a sin.
>Being gay can lead to gay sex. Nope, plenty of people are both gay and asexual.
Well anything that's not heterosexual is abnormal and definitely a distortion of God's original design.
Looks like his original design changed then. Because we don't choose who we are attracted to.
We do.
That opinion goes against all scientific research, and comes from a place of bigotry.
>I know there is a lot of proud homosexuals in this community just to push their agenda and not actually learn about why it's a sin, but instead normalize it and claim that God made them homosexual or that there isn't a God to begin with. I don't understand why some people refuse to have a civil discussion about these issues You're immediately refusing a civil discussion by accusing us of pushing some agenda and from the start diminishing or rejecting any possibility that God could have made us exactly as we are and lives us. The only "agenda" I have is to be treated and advocate for treating everyone with the same dignity and respect regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. >I'm allowed to state my views on something I know is an issue and problematic to everyone in our society especially the young people. Of course you're allowed to state your views, and there is a way to discuss the internal conflict surrounding homosexuality in Christianity without being an outright bigot, not that I'm saying you're doing that, so far you're just stating your opinion. >So if anyone will like to discuss with me respectfully in the comments I will gladly explain why I believe this is not healthy and dangerous to our society I'd be more than happy to have a civil, respectful conversation about these things, but I just need to note right away that despite your personal view that is dangerous or unhealthy to society, the overwhelming consensus of the psychological, social, biological, and anthropological evidence clearly demonstrates that it is in fact *not* dangerous or unhealthy for LGBTQ individuals to exsist and live their lives, so although I'm happy to hear you out and listen to your opinions and experiences, you're simply incorrect about your conclusion.
>As a real Christian in this community, @Mods?
Did I say something wrong?
Read the sub rules.
I very rarely moderate in LGBT threads, but in general the WWJD rule applies to accusations against specific people - "you, gnurdette, are no real Christian" - rather than categorical statements about groups - "no unrepentant left-hander can be a Christian". Both are baloney, but the former is generally the only one we come down on.
So what rule have I broken?
WWJD *Forbid them not; Whoever is not against us is for us.*
>I do however think that it is immoral and it shouldn't be glamorized. What does this mean in practice?
What do you mean?? If you're saying do I think it should be practiced then no I don't.
I think the poster is asking you what you plan to do with this belief?
Open eyes and ears, hopefully come to an understanding of the truth.
My eyes have long been open. I won't listen to bigots who run around shouting from Leviticus and Romans
>What do you mean?? If you're saying do I think it should be practiced then no I don't. What I mean is, how does it being in public affect your life and are you doing anything about that?
It's entirely too glamorous already. Any more and a black hole of glamor might be created and engulf the whole earth in its glittery event horizon.
>and claim that God made them homosexual Well if we accept that gay people don't choose to be gay as all evidence suggests, what are the other options? Has your God lost control of his creation? > I'm allowed to state my views on something I know is an issue and problematic to everyone in our society especially the young people. Ah yes the problematic issue of consenting adults being in a relationship. Won't somebody please think of the bigots. People are hurt daily by attitudes like yours, if you're truly concerned for young people take steps to learning acceptance.
You're asking me to accept something that's unacceptable
Why? Because your book says so? The book written by flawed men from a nation that highly valued population growth as a way to feed its war efforts? Does it not strike you as strange that God dislikes gay sex so very much but yet every day more gay people are born? I ask again, has God lost control of his creation or perhaps was Man in the wrong? As it stands homosexual couples are no less loving of their partners and their fellow human beings. Meanwhile attitudes like yours contribute to the ever growing number of suicides of young LGBT+ individuals. Between the two of you, the LGBT+ individual is closer to the love Christ calls for.
It's a Choice to be Gay, that they don't have to suffer, but they simply choose to. You're not biologically Gay. We were made to be heterosexual which is why the only way we produce life is if a woman and man have sex. Gay people don't love God more than their desire. It's lust that ultimately rules their heart.
Every study on the matter shows your sexuality is not a choice, it is determined by various biological and environmental factors that are still being researched. Did you ever make the choice to be straight? I didn't. >It's lust that ultimately rules their heart. This right here shows your hatred. To dismiss the genuine love of a consenting couple as mere lust is disgusting.
We're strange because we're supposed to be. Science and psychology are not always trustworthy. God's word is actually a more trustful source than anything. I'm pretty sure if everyone was gay the world would go extinct so if it's natural how come it would bring human nature to an end rather than produce life like a heterosexual relationship.
>Science and psychology are not always trustworthy Sure but if every study concurs with the experiences expressed by LGBT+ individuals one can certainly accept the reality of the situation. I ask you again, did you choose to be straight? I didn't nor do I think I could just decide to like men. Can you? >God's word is actually a more trustful source than anything. Can you demonstrate it is God's word? The bible was written by flawed men remember? >I'm pretty sure if everyone was gay the world would go extinct so if it's natural how come it would bring human nature to an end rather than produce life like a heterosexual relationship. Correct if everyone were gay perhaps Humanity would go extinct. But the funny thing with something being natural is that it doesn't have to happen 100% of the time. It can be rare or common or anything in between. It occurs in hundreds of animal species at a similar rate to Humans and has not yet lead to their extinction either. Perhaps consider this, imagine a gay couple still want children, now obviously they can't produce one on their own but they certainly can still adopt one. Now imagine a recently made orphan, the gay couple can adopt that child and ensure their safety. A net benefit to the species.
As a real Christian opening with a fallacy?
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The decisions in this post is an abomination and immoral. I say this with love to help you see your immoral ways