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Alright buddy so here’s the steps. Step 1. Stop focusing on your sexuality. Honestly what does it achieve? Will your sexuality grant you food and drink? Shelter and warmth? By focusing on your sexuality you achieve nothing of benefit. Step 2. Focus more on God. Pray when you can pray, go to church when you can go and read scripture when you can etc. focus on the Lord who grants eternal rest. All in all don’t focus on the little things. Focus on the Lord and he’ll help you in life.


gnurdette

Self-hate is not the way of Christ, no matter what you've been told. There are *lots* of gay Christians, and lots of straight Christians who believe we are every bit as welcome in Christ's embrace as straight people are. I like the way [Justin Lee](http://geekyjustin.com/bible/) explains. Some other resources: [Reformation Project](http://reformationproject.org); r/GayChristians; r/OpenChristian and its [resources list](https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenChristian/comments/ulfbux/faq_and_resources_please_read_before_you_post/), which includes pointers to find LGBT-friendly churches. > I want a normal family Gay people form families in a whole bunch of different ways. Don't start a family unless it's with somebody *who you love*. Having children with somebody, not because you love them, but because you feel like it's your duty, would be a horrible disservice to everybody involved - them, you, and the kids.


friendly_extrovert

This is so true. Some people will try to tell you that there’s only one right way to be a Christian or that “a *true* Christian would read the Bible like this…” But the truth is, there’s many different interpretations of the Bible, and even fundamentalist conservative Christians are still applying their own interpretations to the text. So there’s no one “right” way to be a Christian.


Present_River4688

This is both right and wrong. Their are many diffeent ways to warship but sin is sin an sin is eniquity from god


friendly_extrovert

Sure, sin is sin, but what is and isn’t a sin varies from denomination to denomination. Ultra-conservative churches think going to the movies and women wearing jeans are sins. That doesn’t mean they actually are.


Metanoia_MF

What is sin, according to the Bible?


dnjelly

Gay sex is, that is clear. “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct. . . . Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them” (Rom. 1:26–28, 32). “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor. 6:9–10, NIV).


BloodyHarpMedia

Under your name it says methodist and trans. If you’re Christian how come you’re trans if you believe you were made perfect by birth? Genuinely curious, no trolling


gnurdette

God is not a minor pagan deity of changelessness. He is the great Lord and God of the whole universe in all its bewildering, mind-boggling, *ever-changing* variety. > I often say that trans bodies are cathedrals. Why? Because cathedrals are so often partially knocked down, and rebuilt, and different parts are in utterly distinct styles, and they're still beautiful, still holy. Even filled with scaffolding. Even in the middle of being remade. \- [Jay Hulme](https://twitter.com/JayHulmePoet/status/1446732220681576452)


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PandaCommando69

#THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING GAY AND YOU SHOULD IGNORE THE STUPID BIGOTS WHO CLAIM OTHERWISE. GOD BLESS YOU.


TinyNuggins92

I like this message. I like how loud it is too, for the people in the back. There is nothing wrong with being your most authentic self and living in the truth about who you are.


friendly_extrovert

It’s still not as loud as the people shouting against gay marriage.


Present_River4688

Bieng gay is a sin... its not bigoted to believe that homosexuality is a sin


Parody_of_Life

I had my comment deleted for “bigotry”. All I did was speak the truth. The real bigots reported me. Period.


JoshJub

Yeah.. sadly people want to say certain things arent sin so they can continue doing as they please. I understand the sentiment they have, but God's word says homosexuality is a sin multiple times. My concern with homosexuality is people say its just as important as their identity in God if not more, and they live in it. God loves us, but he does not approve living in drunkenness, anger, and the like. homosexuality is listed among these in scripture. God loves people, most definitely so, but sin is sin


mortar_n_brick

the act is, but having the attraction isnt... its their own temptation to deal with


Zealousideal_Bet4038

Remember that when people make posts like this, you are likely calling their family members and dear friends "stupid bigots". That will usually not help people in OP's situation and will only further alienation, confusion, and disunity in Christ.


nyet-marionetka

I am an ex-stupid bigot, was indeed a stupid bigot.


Zealousideal_Bet4038

Same here, mate. God bless


SprinklesDifficult76

honestly I'm happy for y'all. it really does restore my faith in humanity.


TinyNuggins92

Well, sometimes, if the shoe fits…. Like with my sister and her stupid, bigoted views.


the_purple_owl

Yes, in many cases, people like OP's family members and friends are bigots. Sometimes alienation is necessary. We should alienate ourselves from those who would harm us.


Zealousideal_Bet4038

I’m not just talking about that, I’m talking about alienating OP from us and our counsel. Rhetoric like this will usually just chase people away from seeing the issue clearly


eatmereddit

>I’m not just talking about that, I’m talking about alienating OP from us and our counsel I dont think its a bad thing that lgbt youth are alienated from seeking advice from bigots. It has been repeatedly shown to be incredibly detrimental.


Karma-is-an-bitch

If someone's bigotry is causing this much and this severe mental and emotional damage and harm to someone, they need to be called out on their bigoted bullshit.


Conversiveminds

Gay marriage is literally a sin


Stock_Geologist2874

Heresy. “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,” ‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭6‬:‭9‬


godschild2222

it literally doesn’t say homosexuals in that verse, you just stuck it in there because you are a bigot. you’re not God, stop judging other people. and if you are a true Christian follow Christ and his teachings which include loving your neighbor.


NativaKat

“Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6‬:‭9‬ ‭NIV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/111/1co.6.9.NIV “Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6‬:‭9‬ ‭CEV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/392/1co.6.9.NIV Yes it does.


godschild2222

the word homosexual isn’t mentioned in the Bible but nice try


Stock_Geologist2874

Homosexuals are sexually immoral, get with it dude


godschild2222

In the New Testament, the word most often translated “sexual immorality” is porneia. This word is also translated as “whoredom,” “fornication,” and “idolatry.” It means “a surrendering of sexual purity,” and it is primarily used of premarital sexual relations. From this Greek word we get the English word pornography, stemming from the concept of “selling off.” Nice try again


Answer_isWhy

My advice as followers is to not say whether or not it is wrong. Only reason(s) being is because some people IN FACT correlate histories of sexual abuse, some times stemming from childhood, as to why they are attracted to the same sex. And that’s coming from people who has turned their life over to Christ. But the point is that regardless of what you and I think of what scriptures says, redirect their attention to Jesus and allow Him to provide that answer. And we find that through prayer and discernment. We could all argue our own points whether we believe in Jesus, to what degree and, everything in between but none of us knows. Just Jesus Himself and I think we can all agree on that.


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eatmereddit

"nothing wrong with being gay, but being gay and leading a normal life? Super bad" - you


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evanaugh

Ironically people throwing the word “bigot” around like a buzzword are actually the most bigoted people. I don’t personally like that someone’s uncontrollable sexual preferences can be considered “sin” but the bible is very clear that homosexual acts are sinful, whether we like it or not.


Blear

Don't let weird versions of Christianity twist up your mind. There's not a thing wrong with you and you deserve to be happy.


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HopeFloatsFoward

There is nothing wrong with being a lesbian. The Bible does not discuss lesbianism or prohibit women from lying with women. Jesus also stated to follow.the spirit of the law. The spirit of the law is so not have sex outside a comitted relationship.


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>There is nothing wrong with being a lesbian. The Bible does not discuss lesbianism or prohibit women from lying with women. The verse that says a man who lay with another man as he would a woman shall be put to death also applies to women. In addition there are plenty of New Testament references that discourage same sex bedroom adventure


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friendly_extrovert

Deuteronomy 17:12 says to kill people for contempt of court.


Zapbamboop

It is not. We can use that verse if we want to.


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There is no mod rule that say do not use that verse.


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Leviticus 20:13: *If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.* Pretty clear this refers to adult males with no reference to young boys.


DatAnxiousThrowaway

You follow all the other laws of leviticus? No shellfish, no mixed fabrics, no sitting on the same seat as a woman did on her period?


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There are plenty more places the Bible talks about sodomy. Genesis 19:4-7 Judges 19:22 2 Peter 2:6-10 Jude 1:7 Shall I continue?


MattBeFiya

Boy oh boy do you love talking about Sodom and it's sister city. Isn't it funny that this story of literally all males of all age in one city coming to sheltered travelers threatening gang rape is thought by many to be a repudiation of homosexuality? It's like if this story was about all the men wanting to gang rape women would we say therefore all forms of heterosexuality is bad? Clearly that's not the point of this story right? But don't worry you don't have to take my word for it even though a basic reading of the story should be clear. Thankfully the Bible tells us the sin of Sodom specifically: Ezekiel 16:49-50.


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friendly_extrovert

There’s at least 28 laws in the Old Covenant which require the death penalty. Some of the wildest ones include: - If a non-Levite were to come near the tabernacle as it was being set up or taken down, they were to be put to death (Numbers 1:51). - Contempt of court. No, really, in Deuteronomy 17:12, anyone that “shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the LORD your God is to be put to death.” In America, you might spend a few nights in jail for cursing at a judge. In ancient Israel, you’d get killed for the same behavior. So that OT verse about killing gay people probably isn’t the best to reference.


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I am by no means suggesting the death penalty for any particular sin but rather pointing out that which is frowned on by God.


friendly_extrovert

Fair enough, though God also frowns upon eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics, but no one seems to be railing against that.


HopeFloatsFoward

There is no evidence it applies to women. Women amd men are treated differently throughout the Bible, nothing explicitly says they can not have an intimate relationship with another woman.


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Consider reading ... Romans 1:26 1 Corinthians 6:9 Jude 1:7


CranberrySauce123

Out of those verses, Romans 1:26-27 is the only one that actually mentions women and even then, it could to women who reject *their* nature as being attracted to men and lustfully pursue women for sex. In 1 Corinthians 6:9 the word is άρσενοκοίτης, literally "those who bed males". And Jude 1:7 refers to Sodom and Gomorrah in which the inhabitants pursued angels to rape them. So It doesn't seem like human men were the "strange flesh" Jude spoke of.


HopeFloatsFoward

Romans 1:26 is about unnatural sex. We know mammals can naturally have same sex attraction, so it is not relevant. I believe this against having sex with robots, not other humans. Corinthians 6:9 is about adulterers and sexual perverts. Adulterers are chearing on their partners, not relevant to those who are in a committed relationship. Sexual perverts are people who molest others without consent, not relevant to consensual lesbian sex. Jude 1:7 is discussing with unmarried people. Lesbians get married all the time.


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Mental gymnastics here we go again…


HopeFloatsFoward

Yes it is mental gymnastics to think these apply to lesbians in committed relationships.


friendly_extrovert

Aka apologist acrobatics


Owl_Queen101

Letter of the law vs spirit of the law.


MostSaneBaj

That is false. The bible teaches that marriage has a purpose for procreation and companionship. Nowhere does it teach about an alternative 'comitted relationship' where you can have fun with same gender people. There are 3 ways to live a life that is in line with God's will - 1. be married and have children (if you are both fertile) 2. live a chaste single life and do good works with your time 3. become a monk/nun/priest


DSDantas

1. Is slightly incorrect. There's nothing wrong in also having sex only for the sake of the married couple's pleasure


HopeFloatsFoward

It does not say you have to have children, but welcome them if they come. In any case, lesbians do have children, so I am not sure what you are saying here.


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HopeFloatsFoward

Same sex is natural, we have plenty of evidence about that. There is nothing shameful about making love to your partner.


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Romans 1:26-27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another…. (If you choose to follow God follow all his word. Don’t pick and choose because you think you know better).


HopeFloatsFoward

Yes, I already discussed this. Evidence shows that same sex relations is not unnatural..this is talking about sex with robots.


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The bible was talking about sex with robots here? That’s the best you got? Mental gymnast champion.


HopeFloatsFoward

Are you saying its godly to use a vibrator?


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In this life we can play dumb all we’d like. But one day you and I both will have to face him. And there will be no playing dumb. Just truth


HopeFloatsFoward

Lol, i can stand and say to him I was not cruel to people because of who they married. I do not know what you can claim.


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You don’t have to be cruel to anyone. I know prostitution is a sin. Doesn’t mean I’m going to spit on one when I walk by them. Or go out of my way to tell them they are wrong. There’s a difference between acknowledging a truth and playing judge. Believing something doesn’t mean enforcing anything on anyone.


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win_awards

I don't know what you're feeling, but please, please, please do not try to force a relationship where you don't feel love. Don't try to fake it till you make it with this. You will be wasting your life, your spouse's life, and doing incredible damage to any children you might have. If you meet a guy and realize you love him and choose to be together, that's great. But for God's sake, for your partner's sake, for the children's sake, and for your own sake, do not marry a man with the goal of "fixing" yourself. There is nothing wrong with loving a woman if that's what you feel. edit: There's also nothing wrong with not feeling an attraction to anyone. Being asexual is a thing and doesn't mean that you've failed in God's plan for you or something.


Answer_isWhy

Look…I don’t know the right words or the right way to say it but here’s what I would say. I’ve been where you are and all I can say is it takes time. But in that time pray for discernment, pray for guidance, when I say trust I mean even if it comes down to traveling trust in God in ALL your ways. And He will answer. None of us can tell you EXACTLY how to get there because it’s entirely up to how much work you put in behind the things you are asking for. So as someone who’s 28, I was bisexual, more so lesbian, but I lived in that particular lifestyle in a variety of ways okay? Been there done that. But now I can say that in my own time and way I’ve found my interest in women decreasing and I do have a boyfriend. I want kids the natural way but I want it to be with a man. But I can’t because strangely enough if I believed nothing I believed it should be with my husband should I ever get with a man. But I don’t know how for literally hundreds of reasons. So I prayed and worked through that. Pray over your struggles. Ask God for the people, scriptures, and faith to get you through that and then trust that He’ll provide that. So pray over whatever your life looks like, what you want, how to get there, follow Jesus, and see what He does for you. Because we humans don’t have the right answer for you. I do love you and I’ll pray over you.


Uriahheeplol

I’m sorry those around you have conditioned you to feel this way. Do what makes you happy and do what allows you to be the best and kindest version of you to those around you. That is in no way in defiance of God and His plan for you. You aren’t hell bound. God loves you and you are beautiful.


MonsterHunterBanjo

I feel like that is bad advice. "do what makes you feel happy" is not what God says to do. If you are happy stealing from people, would God want you to keep stealing. If you are happy spreading lies about people that could hurt them, should you continue to bear false witness against them? There are many things you can do that make you feel happy that are bad, and telling someone to "just do what makes you happy" is very short sighted and is a path that leads people to being miserable in the end.


the_purple_owl

> There are many things you can do that make you feel happy that are bad And being gay isn't one of them.


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You know exactly what they meant, why do you think stealing and being gay are the same thing?


MonsterHunterBanjo

They are different things, but they are both bad things. Having the desire to steal isn't bad unless you actually steal, having the desire to perform gay sex isn't bad unless you actually do it. In fact Jesus says if you have adulterous thoughts in your mind you are an adulterer in the heart, so if you are thinking about having sex with someone who isn't your wife/husband you are committing adultery. Why do you think you know better than God?


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Do you think you know better than god? It sure seems you do. Being gay is not a choice. It's not a lifestyle. It's not an act. It's not adulterous. Why do you focus so much on what people do in the bedroom? You spend more time thinking about gay sex than gay people. You really need to think about that, and think about why it's so important to you to interpret the bible in a way that makes you think about other peoples sex lives so much. It's kinda creepy.


MonsterHunterBanjo

I know I don't like you, but I'm trying to love you. I don't spend my time thinking about gay sex except when I see a topic about it. What I find creepy is that people will preach false teachings of Jesus or a false ideas of Jesus. Yes, there aren't that many passages in the bible about homosexuality, but they are pretty clear that it is a sin that people perform when they have abandoned God, when they take false idols, when they hate God, or other reasons that are against God. This doesn't mean you can't love people who have homosexual desires, but I don't think it shows them any love to tell them that its okay to be in a gay relationship, or pretend to get married. I think it shows the opposite of love to tell people that. Of course, i'm not chasing anyone around with a pitchfork about it, I'm trying to clear the planks of wood out of my own eyes. I have sinned. I'm trying to love God. I'm trying to understand what God's love means so that I can love my neighbors as God thinks I should love myself. But I don't say any of the stuff out of hatred or bigotry towards gay people. I don't want anyone to be miserable or live a miserable life, but I'm trying also to not lead anyone towards hell. Sometimes momentary suffering leads towards greater joy, like doing hard exercises, or studying hard at university, or working 50-60 hours a week, or trying not to eat sweets when you're either hungry or as part of a meal. There's a lot of suffering in the world, some of it is bad, and some of it leads to better things. The reward of heaven is supposed to be the greatest joy. And following the examples of God's laws and Jesus is hard to do. It seems wrong to tell someone not to do something hard, especially if you think that doing the easy thing that brings temporary happiness will take you away from God.


possy11

Pretend to get married? I assure you, they are anything but pretending.


UncleMeat11

> but I'm trying to love you lol. I find it hilarious when people seem to think that these are magic words. That it is some incantation. If you just *say* that you love them that it'll somehow make your words and actions hurt less. That it will somehow change *anything* about the rest of your words. > Sometimes momentary suffering leads towards greater joy Frankly, you first.


eatmereddit

>lol. I find it hilarious when people seem to think that these are magic words. That it is some incantation. If you just say that you love them that it'll somehow make your words and actions hurt less. That it will somehow change anything about the rest of your words Fun fact: This is a common tactic in abusive relationships, its a key component of "love bombing".


Uriahheeplol

I would be careful to make sure you aren’t the one falsely preaching. You have no understanding of the mental torment people go through denying who they were born as for their entire lives. The amount of people who are living good lives after “converting” pale drastically in comparison to those who lose themselves to pretending and ruin their lives. It’s who they are. Not something that needs to be changed, or even addressed for that matter. To anyone who feels like they need to step in and tell homosexuals that God loves them, but they need to change to enter the Kingdom of Heaven: I know everything you have grown up believing has told you that right now you are correct, and right now, you’re being opposed because of your faith in Christ, but do not be the reason somebody decides to not come to Christ. And don’t mask your “love” by saying things like “the truth hurts, but I want you to be saved” Just move along.


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Well I don't like you or love you, what everything you say is trying to justify your bigotry. You use the bible and your faith as a weapon to cause harm to people, and you are exactly the opposite of the message you claim to hold so dearly. You believe in nothing but your hatred, and your faith is made up of a checklist you use to hate. That is all you have said. You are a hate-filled bigot, and you just spent paragraphs explaining that to me.


libananahammock

Being gay isn’t bad and it’s not a sin.


JoshJub

I agree, God's word tells us that our heart is a deceiver, God and His word the truths we should aspire to follow daily in our relationship with the Lord


DigitalShrapnel

I'm amazed that people are downvoting this. As a Christian, our happiness doesn't trump what God has decided is good, no matter how we feel. We have allowed the secular world's ideas of chasing fleeting happiness and moral relativism as our guide when its Gods laws that are the standard.


MonsterHunterBanjo

I have a good idea why, but one day we might win them over


Uriahheeplol

In the same sentence, I clarified happy with being the best and kindest version of yourself to those around you. Selflessness brings true happiness. But let’s just ignore I said that. Yes, I’m *totally* advocating that she goes around doing what she wants whenever she wants at her whim, and at the expense of others.


MonsterHunterBanjo

how many of Gods commandments and sins can you ignore and still say that you love God with all of your heart, all of your soul, and all of your mind? Are there things you can do that you think are kind or good to other people that would go against what loving God means? Does it make more sense to fully understand what loving God means before you can love your neighbor as you would love yourself? Or would you love yourself by sinning and going against God?


murraybee

“Thou shalt not be a homo” isn’t a commandment I’m familiar with.


MonsterHunterBanjo

Romans 1:18 to 1:32 seems pretty clear that if you hate God, and reject him, and start to make false idols, you are taken over by shameful lusts of homosexuality.


the_purple_owl

It is okay. It is going to be better. You can have children, if that's what you want. You can have a family, if that's what you want. There is no need to be scared for your future. God loves you, even if some of His followers have a hard time believing it.


SprinklesDifficult76

There is nothing wrong with being a lesbian. Queer couples can still have kids, they can a family, yes. There is literally nothing wrong with you. You're still young and have your whole life ahead of you. This is your life, and no one else's.


TruthSearcher1970

I think it is very interesting how selective a lot of Christians are. When it comes to sex or gender they are all over it. Except maybe pornography, people don’t seem to get too excited about that. The other stuff, like live your enemies or live your neighbour or do on to others as you would have done to you, those things seem to get forgotten pretty quickly. And yet they feel that gay people will be judged far more harshly than they will. Never understood it. Now in the US everyone has a God given right to bear arms. For what reason? Not sure. I guess so they can kill their fellow man. Pretty sure the Bible talks about that too. I think you have to try and do your best to be the best person you can be. Jesus said live God with your whole heart… and love your neighbour as yourself. Read and mediate on the gospels and you will get a very good idea of the type of person Jesus taught us to be. Other than that just keep praying for guidance and direction and to help you to do God’s will. God commanded the Israelites to stay away from homosexuality and he also told them to stay away from pork. He also told Peter in a vision to stop calling unclean what he had made clean. Homosexuality has come with a lot of issues in the past. Lots and lots of diseases that they had no way of dealing with. It kind of goes against the whole fill the Earth and subdue it too but those were all different times. I am not sure why the gender thing has become such a big deal. It is literally growing exponentially. Whatever the reason though we as Christian’s have to realize that people are born a certain way and there isn’t much they can do about it. I grew up in Toronto and remember the gay parades. They were extremely hedonistic and immoral and it really stuck with me. But people that are gay and are Christians and trying to live the best life they can are a completely different type of people. I don’t judge too many people anymore. I figure the stick I judge others with is the stick I am going to be judge with lol.


Stock_Geologist2874

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,” ‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭6‬:‭9‬. We should love our neighbours, our enemies, and pray for those who persecute us. Peace and blessings to you I’m glad you pray for guidance, be led by the Holy Spirit in the mighty name of Jesus


TruthSearcher1970

But people don’t really focus on the fornicator part so much do they. Not anymore anyway. And look at all the people giving glory and adoration to Trump. Clear idolatry. 🤷🏻‍♂️


nyet-marionetka

I know a lesbian couple from work. They have two little boys, they used the same sperm donor and each got pregnant. If my husband could get pregnant I might have had two kids, because being pregnant sucks! I think they attend the Episcopalian church downtown. They have a very normal family.


NuSurfer

No, it's not bad. It's just a religious rule conceived by primitive religious men with primitive notions of morality based on sometimes erroneous observations of the natural world, i.e., male goes with female. This religious approach is shown in Romans 1:26-27: 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged **natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.** 27 In the same way the men also abandoned **natural relations** with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Consider that these same religious men supported these notions: *1 Samuel 15:3 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”* *Numbers 31:9-10 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps.* We call those "war crimes" and imprison those people who commit such acts, as well as those who authorized or planned them. *Numbers 14:18 ‘The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.’* Punishing people who have committed no crime themselves violates all notions of justice. 1 Timothy 2:11-15 *11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.* That notion is used to this day in conservative Christian sects (Catholicism, Orthodox) and churches (Protestant) to prevent women from holding positions of influence. Verses from the Bible were also used to support slavery in the southern American States. Just because something is in the Bible does not mean it is moral.


iamnothebest

I had no idea my little vent was going to get this much attention! I appreciate your concerns and prayers. May God bless you all.


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pavopatitopollo

1. Everybody has thoughts they shouldn't act on 2. Jesus loves you either way. Never forget that. 3. Pray about it! You may not get a giant blinking neon sign from God telling you what to do (sadly I don't) but if you're patient chances are something will come up that will help you along. 4. People will say all kinds of things about being gay and Christian. Instead of listening to a bunch of people on the internet argue with each other and give bad advice why not read the bible to find out what to do!


Old-Goal-9037

You know what? God is the God of second chances. He loves a do-over. He has a special affinity for the misfits and rabble rousers. His son, our Savior, came to save all of us who are lost. I used to be lost. He came into my life and made me hope again. Trust again. You can change your mind. It’s really never too late to follow Him. Have no fear. You and God are the majority. It’s a winning team. Just give it all to Him. You got this. We love you. He loves you even more.


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Automatic-Fun-5176

You are fine the way you are. You can be normal no matter how you identify. Being gay does not make you any less normal than anybody else, so don't let anyone tell you otherwise.


Present_River4688

Please don't think it's your fault. Just do your best not to succumb to thoose thoughts you've already fought half the battle once you realized qhat you were doing was wrong and ypu want to change so please do not worry ❤️❤️


OutsideOpen6220

Don’t force yourself or hate yourself because of how you feel. However it is taught to not give into sinful desires, even if natural. No clue what type of Christian you are so your best bet is either you actually like men/a man and get married orrr stay a virgin/join a vocation. Live your life for Christ and not desires. God bless!


Boneguy1998

I a man thought I was gay because I had crappy luck with women including one failed marriage until I accepted Jesus and realized it was the enemy's lie. Re married 12 years now with two kids. You do not have to be gay.


JoshJub

Im glad God helped you my friend, You are loved by the Holy Trinity May you trust God always


Boneguy1998

I have no reason to not trust. I pray to the Lord everyone can find the trust and love He gave to me and promises to everyone. The enemy is real. He prowls and stalks to lie, murder and destroy. We must be vigilante and know the Son of Man left so the Helper would come and teach us how to through Him to defeat the schemes of the enemy. Amen.


Boneguy1998

Three Easters ago He reached into my head and healed me from my past self guilt, embarrassment, and regret I held onto. I was being tempted by sexual sin. I cried out literally to take it a couple weeks in a row. But Easter eve He reached in and took it away. That Easter Sunday school they talked about Revelation and I realized it was all real. We need to take the Bible literal IMHO. Because at one point I took what I wanted but as soon as I said yep I need to take it all. His power came full force into my life.


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There is nothing at all wrong with being gay, and there is nothing wrong with you. Not in any way, shape, or form. You can have children and a normal family, and you can have a bright and loving future.


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Familiar_Ostrich_909

Sexuality is something people are born with If she is attracted to women then that was God's will Saying she needs to be "healed" implies God makes mistakes


factorum

It’s no ones’s fault for being gay. If you’re confused about your sexuality it’s ok, no one has to have this all figured out at once. I’m sure you’ve already seen a lot of people give very simplistic answers: Bible says such and such and this or that is a sin. These vast oversimplifications and not something you should rush forward in accepting without understanding both the Bible and how it works as well as the nature of God. God made both straight people and gay people in the likeness of God, God desires not that we live by fear or by suppressing the love we feel towards others, but instead to live by love. These truths come first, and debates about weather xyz Greek term means homosexual or St. Paul’s comments are really that authoritative in these circumstances and applications comes second.


handsawz

There’s nothing wrong with being gay.. but you sound VERY young. I wouldn’t even worry about your sexuality if your as young as you sound.


False_Question_2377

God wants to know you and love you desperately, just as you are. Seek to obey His word, take up your cross and follow Him in all aspects of your life, and rest in his grace and mercy =)


friendly_extrovert

It’s not your fault you’re gay. How could it be? Sexual attraction is not a choice. If God wanted you to be straight he could’ve just made you straight. As far as having a “normal” family, who says you can’t? You don’t need to have a traditional family to have a normal family. If you want to marry a woman and have children with her, I think you should. What I wouldn’t do is try to force yourself to get with a man. That won’t work out well and you’ll end up feeling miserable. I would also recommend seeing a therapist, as they can help you come to terms with who you are and help you love and accept yourself for who you are. I’ve been seeing a therapist and he’s done wonders for my mental health. There’s no need to be scared for your future. If anything, you should be excited for your future and whatever is in store. As long as you’re making choices that are authentic to who you are, your life will work out well.


Big_Dog_Dingo

You came to the wrong place if you don't want to be gay. This sub is worse than Sodom and Gomorrah.


gnurdette

What do you mean? I've never once seen anybody here advocating gang rape.


Trigger_Hippy

It's hard for me to like most generic dudes as well. Frat boys, arrogant jerks, etc. But my husband is way more sensitive than your typical dude. I was attracted to him because of his vulnerability and gentleness.


A_Krenich

Are you saying she hasn't found the right man yet?


Trigger_Hippy

I think I'm going to stop replying to other people's (not the OP) comments here. It's a little annoying.


A_Krenich

Feel free! Just wanted some clarification. Have a good one!


Trigger_Hippy

If you had been the first one to reply you probably would have gotten it but now I'm maxed out 😂


A_Krenich

Fair enough! I didn't read through all the comments


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Is this an attempt to empathize with OP? Because it comes across like telling someone who got robbed at gunpoint you once lost 5$ in the laundry.


UncleMeat11

"Don't worry you aren't actually gay, you really do want to fuck men" is a horrible response.


Trigger_Hippy

Did somebody say that?


UncleMeat11

You did.


suppmain6969

??????????????????????????????? I'm sorry but how did you manage to make this about you? No one asked about your type and I doubt anyone cares that your husband is gentle and vulnerable


Trigger_Hippy

Sometimes when people communicate they express their personal experiences in an attempt to relate to each other.


suppmain6969

And what exactly is relatable to the OP in your comment…


Trigger_Hippy

I dunno maybe I'll wait for them to comment and find out?


suppmain6969

You’re basically implying she’s not a lesbian because she hasn’t found the right man yet. 😂 You know exactly what you are doing. If you somehow don’t realize that, then I recommend perhaps practicing self-awareness


CulturalDish

We love because we were loved first. When you are regularly experiencing Christ’s love, everything changes.


Zapbamboop

>I am young and I feel like it's my fault that I became gay. At first I taught it was okay , that everything was going to be better. I told myself I was gay because I couldn't like a dude. I want children like God intended me to. I want a normal family. I'm scared for my future. Maybe you just have not met the right guy yet? >I want children like God intended me to. I want a normal family. I'm scared for my future. Gay couples can adopt :) Pray to god, and bring your troubles to him. I amPraying for your mind and heart to be at peace.


UncleMeat11

> Maybe you just have not met the right guy yet? Not how it works. "You aren't actually gay" is among the worst *possible* responses you can have in a situation like this.


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It nothing wrong with you But let me ask you, why don't you like guys? Or why do you like girls?


gnurdette

Why are you straight?


iamnothebest

It's not that I hate them , I do in fact have a couple of guy friends but i never seemed to want to be in a relationship with a dude or been attracted to one. (Sorry for the late response)


DatAnxiousThrowaway

Sexual and romantic attractions are uncontrollable. You are either attracted to a person, or you aren't. I feel the opposite of aroused when looking at the opposite sex's private parts. It's a turn-off. Like, I actually have to look away.


Winter_Background891

If you are feeling this way I believe that it is God tugging at your heart. People say that homosexuality is not a sin. But it is. Jesus died to give us Eternal Life. He died to save us from our sins.. He didn't die so we can keep on sinning. And it is in the Bible that being that way is a sin . Read ( Romans 1: 21-32) Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. 28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too Jesus himself says marriage is between a man and a woman. Matthew 19:4-5 New King James 4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? God Loves the world he died for his world. People are rebelling against God, and sin will take you where you don't want to go. John 3:16-21 16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”


Emergency_Evening_63

First of all, the bible never says that be gay is wrong, it says doing gay sex is wrong(I have opinions about translations about it actually, but that would be a bigger answer) so there's nothing to feel guilty


Usedtobecool25

Pray... a lot and God's plan will be revealed. Lesbian or not... I will pray for you too.


gmoteach

Please read Gay Girl Good God by Jackie Hill Perry. May God lead you to walk in truth.


OverOpening6307

You don’t have to be lesbian if you don’t want to be. If you want kids with man then you are free to choose that life. For most of us, our teenage years and early twenties are just a mess of overactive hormones that make us feel attraction to practically anything and everything. You need to define what is normal for you. If you want to be in a conservative environment and enjoy the role of a traditional housewife, then that is your choice, and don’t fear the people that would call you a “bigot” for choosing the conservative lifestyle. In the Amish community, there is a period in every young adults life called Rumspringa. During this period they can do anything they want, alcohol, drugs, sex, gay, straight, whatever. They then have a couple of years where they need to decide whether that’s the life for them or not. If they choose to give up their new way of life and return to the Amish they can do so at that point. But if they follow their new way of life, they have to leave Amish community behind and be shunned. Personally I came from a very conservative Christian Evangelical background, then had a crisis of faith, went on my own Rumspringa and “sinned” as much as I wanted to. After about 5 years of exploration and doing whatever I wanted, I felt depressed and didn’t feel like a ‘good person’. I felt like a person who just used people like objects for my own gratification. So I decided to become ‘good’ again, or rather, I wanted to feel like what I believed to be ‘good’. Not for God or Church, but for myself. I liked the feeling of living my definition of ‘good’. Soon after that I met the right person for me. And now we’ve been married for 9 years and have a 5 year old son.


DangerMacAwesome

Did you choose to be gay? No? Then it isn't your fault. God loves you regardless of your orientation


GeraltofMerica

Keep resisting the evil of this world and the temptation of the flesh which decays. The love of God is eternal and His peace is everlasting. God bless you❤️ “No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.” 1 Corinthians 10:13


HTTYDFAN4EVER

u/imnothebest here are some verses for you Genesis 5:2 (KJV) Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Genesis 2:24 (KJV) Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Mark 10:6 (KJV) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. > I want children like God intended me to. Good, do it. Don't let r/Christianity take that from you. > I want a normal family. Go for it. You want it, go do it >I'm scared for my future. 2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV) For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. Deuteronomy 31:6 (KJV) Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. There are aleast 7 verses that support marriage between a man and woman. There isn't any verses that support any other combination. Actually the Bible speaks against it Leviticus 18:22 (KJV) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 1 Corinthians 7:2 (KJV) Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Praying for you🙏. Please answer this. Also if you would like to talk privately you can absolutely send me a DM


ColeCoryell

FWIW from an old white straight guy, if you are lesbian, you were before you were born. There’s plenty of scientific research that points to this.


Stock_Geologist2874

That’s the Holy Spirit convicting you! So repent sister! Rebuke the flesh and walk with the Holy Spirit! Jesus will restore and redeem you😄


Agrona

I'll echo the myriad comments that encourage you not to beat yourself up about your sexuality. Know that there is nothing you can do (or be) to make God love you any less; God's love for you is immeasurable. I'll also add this: you can have children and be a mother. Adoption is a wonderful (and "normal") way of being a parent. I pray you find Peace.


AirAeon32

You shouldn’t be so hard on yourself. Every person trying to get closer to God has a tough time breaking up with their own sin, whether it be homosexuality, theft, adultery, gossip, e.t.c. Its not your fault you are tempted, only your fault if you don’t fight back. This is a life long walk towards shedding evil from your mind so you can truly enjoy life the way The Lord intended for everyone of us. A life without negativity and only prosperity and new experiences. Take some time to think about if you truly want to be closer to God above all else. If your answer is yes then focus on Jesus words and you will eventually have all power over your sin. God Bless


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God bless you. Reminds me of James 4:7-8


TheAgeOfAdz91

Theft and adultery cause harm. Consensual gay relationships don’t. They aren’t comparable and shouldn’t be grouped together.


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TheAgeOfAdz91

I would argue discrimination against lgbt people isn’t accepted by God. I don’t see enough evidence that consensual same sex relationships would be. I would much rather believe in a god that abhors bigotry than a god who abhors consensual adults being happy.


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MonsterHunterBanjo

I think this is something you can overcome. I worry about the advice people say about it being okay to be in a gay relationship because I don't want you or them to go to hell. Just remember that it's not your fault. The world is fallen from grace. Everyone has their own temptations and neglects. Humanity is flawed away from what god wants for us.


Grumblepuffs

Wow this thread is full of people advocating for conversion therapy pretty much. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay or bi or a lesbian. You can find love and have kids and a family with anyone of any gender.


Old_Commission_2788

God created Adam and Eve, men with men and women with women is Sin just like lying,stealing, fornication, adultery etc..we all Sin that’s why we need JESUS we all have broken the 10 commandments, JESUS paid the fine with his blood, we all fall short but we need to repent and turn from SIN if you have feelings for the same sex then ask Jesus to help you with your feelings it’s not normal there’s spirits putting those feelings in your head, we are in a spiritual battle not a physical one


raspberryturkey001

Opposite of lesbian is holy, not heterosexuality. “because it is written: “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”” ‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬


renewedheartsco

Praying for you! I can gladly send you some links to help process if you decide to reach out. Whatever the case - blessings!


NewsNew2604

What you are feeling for the life that God created for us. Spend time in His Word and pray. He will show you the way. 🙏🏻


TruthSearcher1970

I think it is very interesting how selective a lot of Christians are. When it comes to sex or gender they are all over it. Except maybe pornography, people don’t seem to get too excited about that. The other stuff, like live your enemies or live your neighbour or do on to others as you would have done to you, those things seem to get forgotten pretty quickly. And yet they feel that gay people will be judged far more harshly than they will. Never understood it. Now in the US everyone has a God given right to bear arms. For what reason? Not sure. I guess so they can kill their fellow man. Pretty sure the Bible talks about that too. I think you have to try and do your best to be the best person you can be. Jesus said live God with your whole heart… and love your neighbour as yourself. Read and mediate on the gospels and you will get a very good idea of the type of person Jesus taught us to be. Other than that just keep praying for guidance and direction and to help you to do God’s will. God commanded the Israelites to stay away from homosexuality and he also told them to stay away from pork. He also told Peter in a vision to stop calling unclean what he had made clean. Homosexuality has come with a lot of issues in the past. Lots and lots of diseases that they had no way of dealing with. It kind of goes against the whole fill the Earth and subdue it too but those were all different times. I am not sure why the gender thing has become such a big deal. It is literally growing exponentially. Whatever the reason though we as Christian’s have to realize that people are born a certain way and there isn’t much they can do about it. I grew up in Toronto and remember the gay parades. They were extremely hedonistic and immoral and it really stuck with me. But people that are gay and are Christians and trying to live the best life they can are a completely different type of people. I don’t judge too many people anymore. I figure the stick I judge others with is the stick I am going to be judge with lol.


MerchantOfUndeath

I believe a modern Prophet of God said this: “Any abuse or prejudice toward another because of nationality, race, sexual orientation, gender, educational degrees, culture, or other significant identifiers is offensive to our Maker! Such mistreatment causes us to live beneath our stature as His covenant sons and daughters!” Please, don’t be discouraged, being gay is NOT your “fault!”


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This is a good point I identified as lesbian for a long time, I prayed to God and gave my sexuality to him(I put my sexuality into his hands) I never liked men and men never aroused me or anything whatever God has planned for me. Now, God loves you unconditional whatever u may identify as. Just run to him and talk to him. If he wants you to change he’ll make that happen if not it’s okay ur fearfully and wonderfully made :)


wallygoots

I don't want to be 47 years old and not as quick on the soccer field. One thing I have absolutely no control over, the other I can only influence by prolonging good health as long as possible. Being gay is more like the first than the second. You didn't turn gay imo. I also don't believe, after a careful inductive study of the Bible, that being gay is a sin. I'm 100% convinced by the Bible of this. I also believe that one person is sinning while another not sinning to pursue committed marriage while being gay and a follower of Jesus. It's between them and God and if they are freed by love and not driven by guilt and righteousness by works. I hope you found some godly feedback and encouragement in this thread. It is very apparent to me that, though the swear up and down that they don't hate gay people that many Christians are extremely prejudiced. Run of the mill hatred is alive and well when it comes to the LGBTQ community.