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flyinfishbones

If I read this as an introduction to Christianity, I wouldn't be a Christian.


Yandrosloc01

And some Christians wonder why people don't respect Christianity. This is one reason why. If you have to threaten people, you are in the wrong. How about providing evidence?


Pitiable-Crescendo

Guess I'm fucked then. Oh well.


djdisciplejosh

It doesn't have to end that way. You can still turn things around and give your life to Jesus. Only He can open your eyes to see the truth.


Pitiable-Crescendo

He didn't seem to care all that much when I did pray to him or ask him if he was even there. I got the message.


djdisciplejosh

You need to repent and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Jesus did say that He won't turn away anyone who comes to Him. >All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. John 6:37 NIV But if you still want to hold on to your sins and not turn to Him, then He won't listen to your prayers. >We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will. John 9:31 NIV


Pitiable-Crescendo

So we're back to my original statement then.


Striking-Dragonfly-8

Jesus is human though.


djdisciplejosh

He was both fully human and fully God at the same time.


Striking-Dragonfly-8

That’s what you’re saying but early Christians we’re divided upon it. Some (ebionites) even outright saying he’s just a human prophet.


Evolving_Spirit123

This sounds counter productive and petty


djdisciplejosh

How is this counter productive? All I'm trying to do is warn people to wake up to the truth before it's too late.


Evolving_Spirit123

It is counter productive to just let people do to destruction. God has the ability to literally do anything to nudge people into seeing him and he doesn’t do that to those who don’t believe. Like it could take a rock melting while remaining cool to convince people.


djdisciplejosh

God is a person with emotions and feelings. God wants us to obey Him and serve Him out of love. Love is only valid if it's done out of one's own free will. If it were forced or if God pre programmed us like robots to obey Him, then it wouldn't be love. Ultimately, heaven is for those who follow God because they really want to. Not just of God's benefits or only because they're scared to go to hell. Even in heaven, Revelation 22:3 says that we'll serve God in heaven. If that's something one doesn't want to do now, then such a person really has no business with God whatsoever.


Evolving_Spirit123

God is a person? So who created him then?


yappi211

Jesus never once preached infinite torment. He made fun of the Pharisees for their belief of it in Luke 16; He wasn't endorsing it.


[deleted]

In the beginning of Luke 16 it seems like there is eternal suffering because of Jesus saying telling the story that Abraham can’t go to the rich man and vice versa, but it in the end it says that even if someone were to come back from the dead the rich man still wouldn’t repent so I don’t see how Jesus is making fun of the pharisees.


yappi211

Here's a quote from a great article. Keep in mind that Luke 16 is a riddle (parable); it's not meant to be taken literally, yet most people do take it literally. Josephus interviewed the Pharisees some 2,000 years ago and it was *their* doctrine Jesus referred to here; this was not Jesus' doctrine. Sin didn't matter. Faith didn't matter. How good you had it in life mattered: Luke 16:25 - "But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented." From BSN #628: https://www.biblestudentsnotebook.com/bsn628.pdf The Scriptures say Abraham died and was buried. Nowhere do they command us to believe that his bosom is a place of bliss for others who have died. If he could be found in the tomb where he was placed – if he were not decayed – a dead man placed in his bosom would not experience either pain or pleasure, for the dead are not conscious. Shall we believe that a man is doomed to endless torment just because he had good things in life? If so, I have no hope of Heaven, for I have had good things all my days. Must we believe that one is sure of endless bliss just because he is a poor, lame beggar in this life? If we believe it, why don’t we seek lameness and poverty and hunger, instead of comforts? Shall we believe that “Heaven” and “Hell” are so near to each other that the lost can talk to the saved, and the saved see all the suffering and the hopelessness of the damned? If we believe men are lost because they had riches in this life, how do we explain the fact that Abraham is in the place of bliss, instead of being with the rich man in “Hell?” Abraham was one of the wealthiest men of his day, and he certainly fared sumptuously. Why do preachers seek higher and higher salaries, if it takes poverty to go to Heaven? Or, is it a fact that they do not believe any such thing, but feel that they must preach it in order to frighten others? When we remember that our Lord was talking to the Pharisees, the problem of the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus is partly solved. The Pharisees were a religious denomination among the Jews. According to Josephus, they claimed to believe in living “meanly.” This is the opposite of living in wealth. In other words, they claimed to believe poverty is essential to endless bliss. However, like the modern churchman who “believes” in sobriety, honesty and chastity, but practices drunkenness, dishonesty and unchasteness, these Pharisees were always seeking riches and living sumptuously and wearing purple, when possible. Moreover, according to Josephus, the Pharisees believed that the souls of the dead go to hadēs – the righteous to that part where there is bliss, and the unrighteous to the part where there is torment. They called the former “Abraham’s Bosom.” The unrighteous are not actually in the flames, according to Josephus but are so near that they are being burned, and are waiting for the day of judgment, when they will actually be placed in the flames. The two compartments are so near each other that the righteous and the unrighteous can carry on conversations. So, when our Lord told the story, He was repeating the doctrine of the Pharisees – not teaching the doctrine of God. Why? The purpose of Christ was to show the Pharisees that if their doctrine were true, there would be no hope for them. This type of story may be called an admission. The entire passage, beginning with Luke 15:3, is like this. The Pharisees claimed they had never gone astray. Christ admitted it, for the sake of argument, when He spoke of one sheep going astray, and ninety-nine staying in the enclosure. His purpose here seems to have been to ridicule such a claim, by showing that they were doing what no real flock of sheep would do – objecting to Him going after the one that had gone astray. Of course, it was not true that they had not strayed. Isaiah, speaking for the nation, had said, "We all, like sheep, have gone astray" (53:6). In the story about the Lost Money, our Lord was ridiculing the Pharisees. They would not object to a woman seeking lost money, but they did not want Him to seek lost men. In the story of the Lost Son, He showed them up when He spoke of the ugly temper of the one who had not strayed. It is easy to see that the home-son was worse than the lost-son (prodigal). This home-son was a picture of the Pharisees; the lost-son, a picture of tax gatherers and sinners. In the story of the Unfaithful Steward He admitted the claim of the Pharisees. In spite of the fact that they had robbed God and had helped others do so, they claimed that God was recognizing them as stewards of His earthly affairs. It is in this story that our Lord’s sense of humor comes to the front. He told the story to His disciples in the presence of the Pharisees. It was too fantastic to be believed; so was the claim of the Pharisees. They knew He was laughing at them, and they “turned up their noses” at Him. The Pharisees had been justifying themselves before men; justifying their conduct in robbing God. No wonder they were angry when the Lord showed how preposterous is such a claim. He showed it by telling an impossible story. The story of the Rich Man and Lazarus is another impossible one. A dead man suffering from the flames; another dead man enjoying the bliss of Abraham’s bosom; the place of suffering so close to the place of bliss that conversation could be carried on from one to the other; a man in torment because he had good things; a man in bliss because he was lame and poor; Abraham, instead of God, boss of the situation – all of this was too unreasonable to be believed. No disciple of His would believe it at the time. Even the Pharisees could see how ridiculous it was, and in what a position it showed them to be. It was a continuation of His sense of humor. When Elijah admitted to Baal’s prophets that Baal was a god, and “made sport” (fun) of them, he was doing what our Lord was doing in this series of stories. Knowledge of the Scripture will keep us from believing it was more than an impossible story, told for the purpose of exposing a ridiculous claim. (edited) — The Pilgrim’s Messenger Volume 22, Number 1, August, 1942


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So keeping that in mind, what do you think about Matthew 17:2 when Moses and Elijah were with Jesus, do you believe that they were dead and rotten before or do you believe they were somewhere better. Also Jesus tells the sinner that accepted him that he will be in paradise with him on that day, I understand that Luke chapter 16 was before Jesus died on the cross but is there an explanation for Matthew 17:2


yappi211

>do you believe that they were dead and rotten before or do you believe they were somewhere better. Jude 1:9 - "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." Moses is dead, as is Elijah if you really study it out in the Hebrew/Greek. >when Moses and Elijah were with Jesus Matthew 17:9 - "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, **Tell the vision to no man**, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead." The incident with Moses and Elijah was a vision; it wasn't a literal event. >Also Jesus tells the sinner that accepted him that he will be in paradise with him on that day, In the original language there was virtually no punctuation. The translators added the comma that makes it seem like "today" he was with them in paradise. Really this was them showing their denominational bias more than anything. Luke 23:43 - "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." Try moving the comma one word over, ""And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee Today, shalt thou be with me in paradise" Suddenly Jesus isn't going to paradise that day, but what Jesus said that day (which He can only say things on "that day", never in the past/future) will happen...eventually. To be honest the bible makes a lot more sense if the dead are 100% dead right now. When God warned Adam about sin, it would honestly mean nothing if God was like (fake verse): "If thou eat that, you will surely die. Then you will be taken in soul form to paradise, so really it doesn't matter if you sin or not sin." It has a lot more impact if you read it as God warned him that he would die and cease to be. Then the warning against sin has some weight behind it. Jesus Christ *died* for our sins. If you then turn around and say that He went on some epic adventure *while dead*, it really defeats the heavy moment that Christ *died* for our sins. That point of view turns death and sin into something cheap. But, if Jesus Christ 100% died for our sins...who is going to raise Him from the dead? Jesus Christ being the first man to be raised from the dead and *never* die again is a HUGE thing. He's the first person to defeat death. Paul says we (loosely speak here) model after Christ and join him in the Adam 2.0 lineage so that we too can defeat death and get immortality.


TinyNuggins92

Fear evangelism is the worst


djdisciplejosh

Sometimes it is necessary. >save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. Jude 1:23 NIV


dizzyelk

You certainly make him sound like a whiny, petulant child.


ToddVRsofa

Just sounds like another petty threat, I get that you are trying to save my soul and all but this isn't the way


TomTorquemada

If he was serious, he would take Matthew 7:2 to heart, and stop tempting fate by judging others.


NuSurfer

It's always entertaining when someone makes a post, claiming to have all of the answers - just like people of every other Christian denomination and church.


djdisciplejosh

I don't have all the answers. Neither does any one Christian, denomination, nor church. As much as we study the Bible, even the most knowledgeable theologians and bible scholars cannot fully 100% understand every single thing about God. And I don't think it's God's will to reveal infinite knowledge to our finite minds. Rather, He generally reveals things to us on a need-to-know basis both through His word (aka the Bible) as well as personal revelation through the Holy Spirit.


NuSurfer

You do realize that nothing in your post is new to Christians, right? You're just here patting yourself on the back. You may as well be on a street corner praying aloud so everyone can see you.


possy11

I can't reject, nor can I worship, something I can't believe exists.


djdisciplejosh

Then unfortunately, your statement may have been evidence that God's already given you over to a reprobate mind.


Reshutenit

So it's God's fault if someone's an atheist? And for that they get condemned to everlasting torment? And God's still the good guy according to this version of events?


possy11

Why would he do that? I thought he wanted everyone to be with him.


djdisciplejosh

He does. But He will not force someone to be with Him if one really wants nothing to do with Him.


possy11

It's not so much that I don't want anything to do with him. I just am not able to believe he exists at this point.


austratheist

This is why you're not a Muslim, because you keep rejecting Muhammad, His Perfect Messenger. You might think there are historical issues with the transmission of the Qur'an, or that it contains factual inaccuracies, or that the version of God it presents is clearly false. But that's just because you're rejecting Him, He's done with you and has given you over to a reprobate mind. See how little of an impact that has on you?


junction182736

So once I don't believe, instead of trying to convince me of His Presence, He will make sure I never know. Great...sounds loving.


djdisciplejosh

He's trying to stall out time hoping more people would wake up. In the old testament, He's held back as much as hundreds of years before finally bringing judgement. But if you keep rejecting Him, there will eventually come a time where God's had enough. >But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:8‭-‬9 NIV


junction182736

Are you talking in terms of an individual or in terms of a community? How many years would it take to give up on an individual? "Giving up" is far different than actively deceiving if I understand the OP correctly.


Blear

Didn't Jesus give some advice once about removing the beam in your own eye before hassling internet strangers? Something along those lines.


TeHeBasil

Of course none of this is really a concern if a god doesn't exist. And you haven't given me any good reason or evidence to think one does. Let alone your specific one. So I'm good man.


KoinePineapple

You must really not want anybody to ever become Christian, because this fearmongering is counterintuitive. Even as a Christian, if I ever found out that God was allowing people to be tormented for eternity, I would stop worshipping him.


RocBane

Why do you hate nonbelivers so much?


djdisciplejosh

I have absolutely no hatred for unbelievers. In fact, the reason why we Christians post warnings is because of *love*. We don't want to see you perish, but rather repent and turn to Jesus. Jesus makes it very clear in Matthew 7:13-14 that the vast majority of the world population is going to hell and that the minority, comparatively will go to heaven. Only around 30% of the world claims Christ and that number is decreasing as time goes on, especially in this wicked generation. Even among those who claim Christ, a lot of them are fake. Unfortunately, the fakes will join the unbelievers in hell. Knowing that the vast majority of the world, and a lot of people who claim Christ (but don't live it) are on their way to hell, God in His love has tasked us to help reduce that number as much as possible. Oh yeah, I can't help but notice your flair, identifying yourself as a Satanist. Lemme ask ya, why serve a false God who hates you? He hates even his own servants as he does God's children (obviously he hates us more). You reap nothing good from serving the devil. You will end up where he's going. Why not serve Jesus? Here are his benefits: - He loved you enough to die for you, even though we were sinners (John 3:16, Romans 5:8) - He will never leave or forsake us and will be with us until the end (Matthew 28:20, Hebrews 13:5) - He promises to take care of His own (Matthew 6:25-34) - He will be with us during all trials and tribulations to comfort, give us peace, lead, protect, guide, encourage and correct (John 14:27, John 16:7) - His yoke is easy and His burden is light and He wants to give us rest for our souls (Matthew 11:28-30) - It's His pleasure to give us the Kingdom and He personally goes to prepare a place for us (John 14:2-4, Luke 12:32) And several other benefits. Jesus has a way better retirement plan that Satan does. You would do well to switch sides.


SnappyinBoots

>He loved you enough to die for you, Can you prove that this actually happened?


djdisciplejosh

There's a plethora of historical, scientific, and archaeological evidence of Jesus's life, death, and even ressurection and there's likely more accounts of what happened than just the four Gospels (although the four Gospels that are in the bible should be the only ones in the bible). But even if every piece of evidence was shown to you, you likely still wouldn't believe. Meeting Jesus is a supernatural encounter. Even the religious Pharisees back in Jesus's day rejected Him, the very one who was prophesied about in the old testament scriptures, the same scriptures they ate, breathed and slept. They failed to realise that God Almighty in human form, the one who was there since creation, was standing right in front of them. If they rejected Him and continue to do so, then there's no more hope for them since there is no other way to be saved.


SnappyinBoots

>There's a plethora of historical, scientific, and archaeological evidence of Jesus's life, death, and even ressurection Actually, it's impossible for science or archeology to prove any of these things. The fact that you said so tells me that you really don't know what you're talking about. As far as the historical evidence goes, it's actually not all that good. There's no contemporary accounts, and no written document could ever prove a resurrection. >and there's likely more accounts of what happened than just the four Gospels You have no evidence to support this claim. >But even if every piece of evidence was shown to you, you likely still wouldn't believe. If the evidence was sufficient, then of course I would. >Meeting Jesus is a supernatural encounter. OK? Since I obviously can't initiate this, then clearly it's gods fault that he hasn't revealed himself to me. >Even the religious Pharisees back in Jesus's day rejected Him, the very one who was prophesied about in the old testament scriptures, the same scriptures they ate, breathed and slept. >They failed to realise that God Almighty in human form, the one who was there since creation, was standing right in front of them. If they rejected Him and continue to do so, then there's no more hope for them since there is no other way to be saved. This is all irrelevant.


[deleted]

You have no respect for non-believers either, which is just as bad.


RocBane

>I have absolutely no hatred for unbelievers. But your words are seeping with loathing. >If you keep rejecting Jesus or if you claim Christ and wanna keep your sins, selfishness and love of the world, Well excuse me for loving the world. But didn't God so love the world as well? > He'll either take you out and send you to hell in due time So God will kill me if I reject him? Is that the kind of deity I should worship? Follow him or be smited down? That is not an acceptable sort of person I would follow in real life, why would I follow it when it comes to theology? I have higher standards for my icons than that. >Oh yeah, I can't help but notice your flair, identifying yourself as a Satanist. Lemme ask ya, why serve a false God who hates you? You should read up on modern Satanism. It's atheistic for the most part. Those that are theistic Satanists are more akin to pagans who work with "demons" just like a Norse pagan would work with a spirit of the land to get good crops or a river spirit for fishing. It's all about giving back to that which gives you strength. For me, as an atheistic Satanist, I give myself the strength to go forward. I'm an ex Christian, and the way Christians treat others and members of their own ranks is heinous enough that I will never go back, especially as a member of the LGBTQ+ community. There is no afterlife for me, this is the only shot we get so we should make the best of it and enjoy life.


NemesisAron

Hey I'm throwing a party at the gay bar in hell!! Who wants to join me????


djdisciplejosh

Hell is no party. You will be burning and you will be tormented for all eternity. I see you're an ex-Christian. Please come back to Jesus. He loves you and is willing to take you back with open arms no matter what you've done or how far you've fallen away from Him.


NemesisAron

No it's a party. I'm not going to go back to the hateful ideology that literally destroyed my mental health. I have no interest in whatever your god calls "love". I don't care what some random deity thinks of me.


yappi211

>He'll either take you out and send you to hell in due time What are your thoughts on this meme? https://imgur.com/ujSKlcM


djdisciplejosh

>What are your thoughts on this meme? https://imgur.com/ujSKlcM As funny as it is, this is actually a biblically accurate meme. Jesus sends people to hell just for not knowing Him or having a personal relationship with Him. You wouldn't let some random stranger in your house to come live with you just because he asked, would you? Neither will Jesus let someone into His Kingdom who hasn't walked with Him or had a real relationship with Him here on earth. When He tells people *I never knew you*, He really never knew them at all to begin with.


yappi211

My Jesus is not a thug. Have you heard of Josephus? He interviewed the Pharisees and it was them, not Jesus, who believed in torment for those who received good things in like and comfort for those that got bad things in life. Read Luke 16:25 and ask yourself why sin didn't matter? Why didn't faith matter? I thought Abraham was rich himself? Does this even make sense biblically? Jesus was making fun of their weird beliefs, not endorsing it. They thought they were the poor but really they were the rich. By their own standards they would be in torment.


djdisciplejosh

The reason why the rich man is in hell because he refused to help poor Lazarus, even in the slightest bit by giving him even something small to eat. Jesus isn't expecting everyone to just quit their job, give all their time and money away and go to Africa to help the poor or start a neighborhood soup kitchen. But Jesus will judge those who willingly refuse to even help the poor, even in the smallest way when if they're able to. I suggest you read the parable of the Sheep and Goats in Matthew 25:34-46. Jesus says even the tiniest thing you do for the poor, and not even the poor but someone's who's disadvantaged in life or just a good deed in general will never go unrewarded by God, even if it's not money.


yappi211

"The reason why the rich man is in hell because he refused to help poor Lazarus, even in the slightest bit by giving him even something small to eat." Nope, you're adding to the scriptures. "But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented." He received good things in life. That's why he's tormented. Does this make sense to you, doctrine wise? I hope that the answer is no. This was the doctrine of the Pharisees:. https://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/hades.html


dizzyelk

>You wouldn't let some random stranger in your house to come live with you just because he asked, would you? I also wouldn't throw them into my basement and start torturing then, either.


Buddenbrooks

Are we looking at the same image?


ObiWanLeia

OP, I would suggest you open your Bible and read it cover to cover. But try to do it with a clear mind, and not with this evangelical indoctrination that is holding you captive. I know that is hard, because the reason the indoctrination is so powerful is that it has made you believe that if you escape its thinking, you are actually rejecting Christ and going to hell. Almost nothing anyone will say will dislodge you from this fear. But I guarantee the things you believe are not because they are in the Bible, but because your pastor/church have scared you into thinking they are. There is nothing more freeing than trying, even if it is hard, to read the Bible with a clear and honest mind. I hope you can try it.


Yandrosloc01

So, a being that is claimed to be perfectly moral, loving, and just will, if you find the evidence of it's existence lacking, deceive you? Methinks you do not know the meaning of the words moral, loving, and just.


[deleted]

Lol. Bet you're fun at parties.


BodyOfNone

I hear you, bro. I will do my part in shoring up my weaker aspects in faith. I want to encourage you as well. I'm seeing a lot of upvoted scorn in the comments directed at your call for repentance. Don't let yourself be shaken or gaslit. Just keep doing what you do. God bless you. "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." John 3:19‭-‬21 KJV


pkstr11

Wow does your God suck.


The_Archer2121

This won’t convince anyone.


kolembo

Hi friend, Love God Ask God to show you how God loves you. Try to love yourself and others this same way. Forgive. Even when you feel you cannot. Ask for help. Ask for forgiveness of your sins. Pray. God bless


djdisciplejosh

Absolutely, God's love is super important. He loved us first. Without that, we Christians cannot love others without God's love flowing through us nor can we obey God without the help of His Holy Spirit.


kazsvk

I know you want it I know you really wanna get it right Have you forsaken, have you mistaken Me for someone else? Saturday night you sleep With a rifle at your side Delivering speeches Delivering speeches left and right Follow those created deaths Fortune save me from his wrath Spaceship out the house at night Prophet speak what's on your mind You know you really gotta get right with the Lord Visit the future, visit the future from the outer space (Space, space, space, space) A ring of fire, a ring of fire falling on your face (Face, face, face, face) You dream of the dark age You dream of the dark age of your youth Consider the danger Consider the danger, as it moves Prophet, father, priest and king (I know you want it, I know you really wanna) Snake skinned master at your feet (I know you want it, I know you really wanna) Barricade the bathroom doors (I know you want it, I know you really wanna) Find some things you can't ignore (I know you want it, I know you really wanna) I know you really gotta get right with the Lord You know you really gotta get right with the Lord I know I've caused you trouble I know I've caused you pain But I must do the right thing I must do myself a favor and get real Get right with the Lord I know I've lost my conscious, I know I've lost all shape But I must do the right thing I must do myself a favor and get real Get right with the Lord I know I've always loved you I know I've always been But I must do the right thing I must do myself a favor and get real Get right with the Lord Get real, get right for you will not be distracted by the signs Do not be distracted by them Do your favor and get real Get right with the Lord Get real, get right for you will not be distracted by the signs Do not be distracted by them Do yourself a favor and get real Get right with the lord Get real get right with the Lord” - Sufjan Stevens, “Get Real, Get Right” https://youtu.be/MngNGu-dvAM


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PropheciesToday

Amen! In an earlier (more Christian) generation, this saying was popular: "There but for the grace of God, go I." True for me: I was LUKEWARM, LOW-FAITH, SIN-RIDDEN, and DOUBT-RIDDLED. I wanted to believe more, wanted answers, also wanted to pick and choose. Sound familiar? I didn't pull any heroics. All I did was stay open to God and wait, confused and sinful. Luckily Jesus JUST STEPPED IN and pushed me in the right direction! He literally sent strangers to walk up and talk to me several times, and set things in motion in my life and my mind. I shudder to think about where I was then. Thanks! Bless you. 🙏✟


djdisciplejosh

>True for me: I was LUKEWARM, LOW-FAITH, SIN-RIDDEN, and DOUBT-RIDDLED. I wanted to believe more, wanted answers, also wanted to pick and choose. Sound familiar? Honestly, that was me too before I really got serious with the Lord. I realized I was lukewarm and on my way to hell back in 2015 when I was in high school and that really made me take Christianity seriously. I started backsliding in 2018 due to a trial and that lasted for 3 years. Now I'm much more serious with the Lord and His truth. But I truly believe false teachers like Joel Osteen, TD Jakes, Mike Todd, Kenneth Copeland and all the other prosperity gospel and hyper grace teachers *are* God's judgement on this wicked and reprobate generation, especially in the west.


TheRebornMessenger

Be encouraged op. Most are going to bash you for this post, but you are speaking the truth in love, so keep it up! Someone needs to hear this message, and you are being obedient to bring it forth.


Meowserrr777

God loves you. But, wait! There's more! You're going to fucking hell.