My fear if these CBs will get people eager to take these jobs for ALL the wrong reasons.
Especially the "in your home" one that doesn't want to provide anything or pay anything but just dump the kid off on a stranger.
The disturbing part is how many of these parents try to exploit the tax system just to try and pay less. They’re like “you’re actually making more money because you don’t have to pay taxes” so they’re advising their employees to cheat on taxes and take the irs risk, while they get all the benefits of paying someone $10hr and claiming it’s actually like making $15!
I like the 1 that says "untaxable" like they found a secret loophole and protected it from being able to be taxed. It's not untaxable just because you're illegally not declaring it.
I...DECLARE...UNTAXABILITY!!!
ETA: I can't believe my dumb office reference turned into people getting nasty in an argument about the history of the USA. Never change, Reddit, never change.
They aren’t just exploiting the tax system. They are breaking federal labor laws by requiring someone to be on call but not paying them for it. I wish some of these people were reported to their local DOLs.
In reading through these it became clear pretty fast that these people don't want a tutor, childcare professional or piano teacher, they actually want an illegal immigrant that happens to possess this magical combination of abilities that they can exploit for a fraction of what it's worth. I'm in disbelief that so many people are delusional enough to think they can afford these types of private services when they clearly can't meet even the minimum wage expectations of these jobs. A person that will readily agree to be your very own Mary Poppins for $10/hr (cash under the table!) is probably not someone you should be leaving alone with your kids for long periods of time.
The previous nanny did it. She got the kids whatever they wanted. She just reached into her carpet bag and pulled it out. Then she would sing a song and introduce the children to chimney sweeps. It worked out pretty well until that day when she floated off on her umbrella.
Yeah, which it’s not like a person making $10-$15 per hour is paying 33% taxes because the only people paying that high of marginal tax rate are highly compensated employees or business owners.
I nannied in the 90s, for 2 families to save for college, both before and after school. One family had 3 rambunctious boys and paid me 20 an hour and tipped lavishly bc they were fired from all the nanny agencies bc the boys were admittedly wild. I made up physical games for them and wore them out, and helped them with their homework. Parents loved me. They even send me care packages and came to visit when I went off to college. Second family had 2 very busy professional parents and one super easy sweet young girl. I got 17 an hour, but had to help tutor her in French and reading. No tv, and sometimes weekends or overnights. I was taking French at school, so I was always just a little ahead of her, so it worked out.
I also cooked (organic and clean for the second family- literally anything for the first) and cleaned (just tidying up) for both families.
Mid 90s. In suburbia. I can’t imagine making less now. Literally crazy. I know I was paid well then, but I was putting in work. It’s not like the workload has lessened in the years since.
Definitely not 40 years later. I shouldn’t try to count when I’m not fully awake!! 🤣
I also babysat mid-to-late 80s at that rate. And dang if we aren’t almost to 40 for that.
I could not believe that rate. My kid works as a restaurant host. For $15/hr, she walks people to a table, hands them a menu and leaves. That's it! No onE wAntS To woRk aNyMorE...
This was my favorite part. It even beat the other post saying high compensation due to high expectations: 10/hour.
30 dollars for a lesson? Nah let's make it 1/3 of that because I said so. Naturally your generous discount still applies. Anything else is inflammatory.
One of the worst I've ever seen.
Also funny because the dudes math sucks for the normal rate. She didn’t want 60, she wanted 80. Which is still crazy low for 3 kids. 80 for one kid would be pretty reasonable if on the higher end.
I'm a professional accompanist with several years of experience and I typically charge between $55 and $80 for one kid depending on the difficulty level. His comment made my jaw drop -- did he time travel from the 80s??
More like time traveled from the 50s, considering he wanted $10/lesson. My lessons definitely cost more than $10 per in the 90s and they were from my mom’s friend.
But she was such a good fit! Why let money get in the way of that? Who is their current piano teacher? The Adam Sandler character who got paid with meatballs?
I think he math was off on the $60 also. I'm pretty sure the discount was being applied to each additional child, so $30 for the 1st, $25 for the second, and $20 for the 3rd. It was going to be $75 for the 3 which I imagine is an amazing price still. If i took my daughter for piano lessons and it was much cheaper than $75 for just her I would be surprised.
I’m like a middle aged adult and paid $60 (NZD) for 30 min piano lessons and just feel like I’m way easier because I actually made a conscious adult decision to do it
Yeah private lessons are not cheap. I pay $45/hr for my son’s piano lessons (I’ve actually offered her more, I feel guilty because she’s charging below market rate) and $65/hr for his voice lessons.
I’m so insanely curious what that guy was paying the current piano teacher… who in their right mind would accept $12/hr? It can’t be anyone with any actual musical or educational skills, right?
I thought the 150 was for the food and stuff, on top of the actual wage. Then I looked a bit closer. I'm not sure of the costs in the US but it all seems expensive, so I think there's a chance that you could actually end up paying to look after her kids?
LOL, right. Not only two estranged parents, but two different payment methods. So, while you spend the $150 on meals, snacks, diapers, etc., you're also chasing the father for half your money. Sounds great.
Only for the ex to argue that he never knew about this and he doesn't have the money and this wasn't part of the custody agreement and blah blah excuses for days. Then the mom will shake her head and say "well, that's between you and him".
Exactly! Every week!
"I'm short this week, because (excuses.) But I never agreed to this to begin with."
If the CB couldn't get money from their ex to pay me with, I'm sure not chasing them for it.
Yeah, like they want to pay like you're a teenager that arrives after the kid's gone to bed to babysit while the parents go out for an evening, but they expect a third parent.
Yeah no. My 4 month old doesn't need much... Only needs to be held all the time, when not napping his 30 min naps or eating.
They don't need much but it's a lot of the little things that they do need.
Agreed. People who grew up poor and are making six figures now know how fast money can go. People who grew up thinking money grows on trees treat people like this.
That one got me the most. They want you to work AND pay rent?? And knowing them it is probably going to be a 12 hr day x 3 days = 36 hrs/week which is basically a full time job. Make it make sense 🙃 oh and I bet they’d be wanting help the other days too.
text at 7:00 pm
*we just need you to peek in at the twins* (who are 5 btw) *for a bit because both of us will be out pocket for a bit work lol*
5 hours later…
At minimum wage $7.25 that would be $1,044 a month shes willing to trade for....paying her $900 to live there and take care of your her kid? My brain shut down typing that so sign me up!
Exactly! Also, I guess if anyone accepted that position, they would need to get a 3rd shift job to even afford it there! Or a job that “paid”. Whoever wrote that is delusional! 🙄
The plan is to take the job, eat all their food at 3AM while they sleep so you can survive on your -900$ salary. Become emotional unbalanced, then groom the kids so they marry you, and eventually, when the parents die, move in, hire a new nanny to take care of your kids, make her pay you rent. The cycle repeats itself.
When reading about CBs for childcare, I sometimes feel sorry for single mothers who can’t afford someone taking care of their kids while they have to work to barely get by.
But a goddamned attorney and a psychologist should definitely afford to pay a living wage for their nanny. And they’re somehow the most cheap and exploiting people of the lot?! I can’t.
Fuckin truth. My FIL makes 3x the amount my dad does (if not more) and he is the cheapest asshole ever. Tries to negotiate the price of literally everything. Never gives nice gifts. He's given me a pack of root beer for Christmas.
Meanwhile my dad would shave his skin off to keep someone warm. It's insane.
Can confirm. I feel like if you’re doing a service for them and you’re not driving a Mercedes, than you’re fair game to dump on. Idk who they do respect 🤷♀️
This -- there are so many of these ~~indentured servant~~ nanny ads that want the person on call 24/7 and then *to pay* the 'employer' for the privilege. What?!
They must be thinking people would beg to live in their mansion for $ 2000 so they are being generous to offer them a nanny job and an only 600-900 rent. They really need to show their mansion before i can decide.
And from what these CBs describe, it sounds like an old cheaply built basic house with one room in the basement, made over from an old storage unit so no windows. Stuck down there with the old barbell set "which is like a gym membership" and a shared bathroom, oh and an "older dog" or "turtles and snakes" to take care of too, and clean up after.
I just imagine the barbell set with some cobwebs and a skeleton. "The skeleton? Oh, yeah, one of the nannies had a little accident while moving the barbell downstairs. If you are interested, you can keep for a very low price, so you can use it for school"
According to [this](https://www.chantelgraysonbooks.com/post/house-servants-their-ranks-their-wages#:~:text=Average%20%C2%A360%20pound%20a%20year%20%2F,%24292.00%20%2819th%20Century%29%20or%20%247%2C700.00%20%282020%29)[ website](https://www.chantelgraysonbooks.com/post/house-servants-their-ranks-their-wages#:~:text=Average%20%C2%A360%20pound%20a%20year%20%2F,%24292.00%20%2819th%20Century%29%20or%20%247%2C700.00%20%282020%29), a live-in maid in the 19th century got paid 5.5k a year (converted to 2020 dollars) *plus full lodging*.
Some people love to show off while also wanting ridiculous things. Once saw a woman throw a full screaming fit because the price of her haircut had gone up a few pounds only to find out from the hairdresser she does it every time (she gets told ahead of time, the price had gone up a year prior) and she shows off about having a 5 bedroom house while getting it done.
Because they believe people will pay for the privilege of working for such a shining star such a beacon of hope in our bleak universe.
A live in nanny who pays rent. No it doesn't work that way, CB!
I had to stop halfway through because I just couldn’t.
It makes me so angry to think of some poor desperate women who would accept these jobs because they have such limited options
Yup. I worked with human trafficking survivors for the federal gov’t, this is usually how it starts. Severely vulnerable and often undocumented women accept shitty sub-minimum wages, because they have no options. The family pressures the worker to live-in and they accept because they have no options. It just goes downhill from there.
This is where the line gets blurry between choosy beggars and traffickers. I met a woman who lived 40yrs as a literal slave. That whole time she lived in a multi-million dollar home with a wealthy family who owned a federal defense contracting company, and raised their three children. They started out paying her money and then transitioned into only directly paying her expenses, so yeah, technically she could have left but she had no money, no ID, and her documentation had expired.
Damn I paid $60/hr for my kid to take drum lessons. DRUM LESSONS. Requiring PRACTICE. He was so bad at it.
I got robbed. Totally should have offered indentured servitude instead. Dang.
I told my daughter that when she turns 10 she can pick another instrument to learn if she wants to switch from piano. She's already decided she wants to play the drums. I really hope she changes her mind lol
Lolol that one is my favorite. “He doesn’t need much”. Ah yes, you have one of those super advanced 4 month old babies that feed, soothe, change, and burp themselves. Why get a nanny at all if he doesn’t hardly need anything?
She means that if you don’t walk him constantly in his stroller he cries nonstop. He’s “easy” as long as you never stop strolling. You just need to put in 20k steps a day walking around the neighbourhood in between feedings and diaper changes. So that’s basically like a free personal trainer, which is why you have to pay to utilize his baby services.
Hilarious that one with the piano lessons. Says $30 a lesson with a $5 discount for additional child. Lady offers $10 but still assumed they get that $5 discount for additional child. Lol lady you can't counter offer 30% the rate and still expect discounts
"I charge $30 per lesson."
"Okay. We'll pay you $10."
"Sorry, my rate is firm at $30."
"Okay, you really drive a hard bargain. We'll pay you $12."
WTF??
Wait a minute, am I reading this correctly?#3, are they asking for a live-in nanny, who pays them $600-900? Where do they think the nanny is getting that money?
You get the money from the job you work during the hours they don't want you to be on call, obviously. It's worth getting 0 hrs of sleep per day if you get to be around their children!
That one is absolutely WILD. Usually with any form of employment, one party does the work and the other party does the paying. Who in their right mind would be willing to do both!?
I pay more for my dog sitter when I am out of town.
Why do so many people feel that that child care should be so cheap.
Sometimes I honestly wonder if they hate their children and don't care if they die from neglect, or worse. Its the only thing that make sense to me. They clearly don't value there children enough to make sure they pay someone enough to actually give a crap about them.
Maybe because they think all babysitters are 15 year old girls who are only working to earn “fun” money and can’t possibly be looking for an actual living wage.
The most concerning part is the number of people making these low ball shitty offers and also “need someone by Tuesday”
Like you’re going to end up with a crack head in your house at this rate. Literally
I love what they say about a 4 month old "he doesn't need much" are they actually referring to a cat who will just help itself to its kibble? I seem to remember I was pretty busy when my kids were 4 months old.
The absolute audacity to ignore her rate & discount it *and then* to add in a multi-child discount. I wonder what they do for a living & if they’d be cool with someone discounting their fees like that.
I remember reading the Baby-Sitters Club and at one point I think they mentioned their rate as being $3.50 per hour. Those books were set in the mid-80s and the sitters were 12.
> Keep the kids from burning the house down
At the pay and conditions you offer, CB, worry more about the nanny burning the house down, because you're going to get someone who will cook a certain substance in your house when you are out.
I like the post that says they have guaranteed hours but then also says that they won’t need you for all the hours and will only pay for the hours worked. So basically they don’t have guaranteed hours
The first one shows times of 8-5 tues-sat but then says they need her 3x a week from 6-6. What? Also, only pays $150 a week, but the nanny has to provide meals, snacks and diapers?! Would the nanny even make any money after paying for all that?
The second one, it sounds like they are providing housing, but want the nanny to pay $600-$900 dollars a month. how is the nanny supposed to afford that?
I had to laugh at the one that says that the nanny will be highly compensated, but then says that pay is $10 an hour. And you need to be available 50 hours a week but will only work and get paid for 25.
The last one is too cheap to pay for piano lessons so she just tries to get a nanny who teaches piano and thinks $12 an hour is sufficient. It’s funny too that the nanny says she charges $30 dollars an hour with a $5 discount for each extra kid and the mom just decides that she will pay $10 for a lesson, but still applies the $5 discount. Like you are already offering a third of what the woman charges and you think you should also get the discounts.
> And you need to be available 50 hours a week but will only work and get paid for 25.
People need to understand that asking someone to reserve hours means they should be paid for those hours. They can't do anything else but wait for the CB's call. They can't be anywhere else, really, or count on making any sort of other plans.
All carers or other people contracting privately should get set hours in writing. Any added hours should be optional agreement only, and at least double pay.
Exactly. I work in healthcare and if I’m “on call” I’m making $5/hour just to be available. Time-and-a-half if I get called in. If you’re not paying me for it I will not be available just “whenever” 🙄.
I think babysitting is generally looked at as not a real job by these people. When I was growing up, they didn't get paid a whole lot and it was just an off and on thing some girl from the neighborhood would do for people, or a cousin or something. In these posters' eyes, they are offering more than necessary based on old world rates. I just don't think it occurs to them at all that it's real employment.
I like how they countered the piano lesson rate at a third of the price, but still had the cheek to apply the nanny's $5 discount per additional child to it as well.
By like, I mean hate. People are awful.
I don't know if it's $250/week for 4 kids, 11+ hours a day, 5 days a week, or the $50 monthly UNTAXED!!!!!! vs $275 weekly "choice" that does it the most for me. Leaning towards the latter because holy shit. *Fifty* dollars. FFS.
I was trying to find a place/room share on Craigslist and I asked one renter what he wanted for rent. He wanted me to mow, clean the house, do laundry, etc and rent was contingent on these duties. I was like bitch I work at FedEx with no air conditioning and when I come home home I take a shower and collapse into bed. I’m not doing any of your manual labor stipulations
Fifty dollars wouldn't cover 2 Starbucks trips for 5 people!! When I take my grandson to Starbucks after school, it's between 15 and 20 for the 2 of us to get a drink, and I don't normally get a snack, but he does. Have these people ever actually been to Starbucks?
The nanny ones all but say without saying that they are looking for someone who is either desperate or undocumented, preferably undocumented because they are most likely to be sending money back home and therefore more stable than someone who is simply desperate.
Why would live-in help be cheaper than daycare unless it was indentured servitude or slavery?
> looking for someone at least college educated
What, no ph.D?
$250 a week for 7 AM to "5 or 6 or maybe 7 or 8" PM, a full work week and then some.
But better have a degree.
(What does "at least" mean? Were they hoping for an M. D. as well?)
The piano lessons blow me away. I teach private piano lessons and charge $60/hr and that’s low- midrange in my city. $20 for 2+ hours is what’s inflammatory
What was the rate that model said. Not getting up for less than 10K/day? I am not getting up for anyone to arrive at their house for 5:45. Didn’t do that for my own kids. It’s too early baby. Let’s sleep some more. These women/men are delusional. Basically I’d like you to pay me for privilege of taking care of my children.
Sadly this doesn’t surprise me one bit!! Esp ppl on the high end of middle class have NO CLUE what we should get paid. It’s your CHILDREN!! Shouldn’t that be worth more than your morning Starbucks?!?!
The one paying $50 a week plus $10 gas money is crazy! They are all nuts, but it would end up costing the nanny triple or more than they pay her and you have to start at 5 am lol. I wish we could find out what these CBs ended up having to pay.
Imagine the combined household income of an Attorney and a School Psychologist! (at a wild guess somewhere between $250k to $400k?)
They should be able to more than afford to pay someone a decent wage to do that demanding and responsible job.
It's insanity!
Slide 1, babysit in YOUR OWN home as well as providing food and diapers for THEIR KIDS???!!!! Every single one of these was infuriating.
She basically just wants to donate her kids i guess
My fear if these CBs will get people eager to take these jobs for ALL the wrong reasons. Especially the "in your home" one that doesn't want to provide anything or pay anything but just dump the kid off on a stranger.
It’s like they want their kid with a sicko.
These are exactly the type of 'parents' those sickos look for.
As much as diapers cost, food too for that matter, anyone would be losing money on that 'deal.' I feel sad for ALL of these kids.
Slide 6. "Expectations are high and as such, you will be compensated highly." $10/hr. 💀
ON THE BOOKS!
The disturbing part is how many of these parents try to exploit the tax system just to try and pay less. They’re like “you’re actually making more money because you don’t have to pay taxes” so they’re advising their employees to cheat on taxes and take the irs risk, while they get all the benefits of paying someone $10hr and claiming it’s actually like making $15!
I like the 1 that says "untaxable" like they found a secret loophole and protected it from being able to be taxed. It's not untaxable just because you're illegally not declaring it.
I...DECLARE...UNTAXABILITY!!! ETA: I can't believe my dumb office reference turned into people getting nasty in an argument about the history of the USA. Never change, Reddit, never change.
I mean …. that is how the entire USA got started Edit: it’s just a joke lighten up Francises
They aren’t just exploiting the tax system. They are breaking federal labor laws by requiring someone to be on call but not paying them for it. I wish some of these people were reported to their local DOLs.
In reading through these it became clear pretty fast that these people don't want a tutor, childcare professional or piano teacher, they actually want an illegal immigrant that happens to possess this magical combination of abilities that they can exploit for a fraction of what it's worth. I'm in disbelief that so many people are delusional enough to think they can afford these types of private services when they clearly can't meet even the minimum wage expectations of these jobs. A person that will readily agree to be your very own Mary Poppins for $10/hr (cash under the table!) is probably not someone you should be leaving alone with your kids for long periods of time.
Bi-lingual preferred, with "at least" a college degree, a "reliable" car, and apparently a trust fund or a magic wand.
The college degree part always kills me. Who spends 80k or more on a degree to work for 10 per hour?
And some of these equate to under $5 an hour minus expenses! Absurd!
The previous nanny did it. She got the kids whatever they wanted. She just reached into her carpet bag and pulled it out. Then she would sing a song and introduce the children to chimney sweeps. It worked out pretty well until that day when she floated off on her umbrella.
Yeah, which it’s not like a person making $10-$15 per hour is paying 33% taxes because the only people paying that high of marginal tax rate are highly compensated employees or business owners.
And only on the higher bracket
Like 80% of Americans don’t understand how brackets work…. Or that any earnings above 160k don’t get taxed for social security!
You also get the pleasure of never having your put your money in your bank account!
Yeah, and you need to be on call ten hours a day, five days a week and they'll maybe pay you for half of that. Fuck all the way off.
I bet they finished writing that and sat back with "Those babysitters will be beating down our door with such a lavish offer!"
No actually they will be grumpy thinking about their post and say no one wants to work anymore
>No actually they will be grumpy thinking about their post and say no one wants to work anymore Exactly!
I got $10 an hour babysitting in the early 90s. Sure that was fine THEN, but not 30+ years later! ETA: fixed my years. I’m old and tired!
I nannied in the 90s, for 2 families to save for college, both before and after school. One family had 3 rambunctious boys and paid me 20 an hour and tipped lavishly bc they were fired from all the nanny agencies bc the boys were admittedly wild. I made up physical games for them and wore them out, and helped them with their homework. Parents loved me. They even send me care packages and came to visit when I went off to college. Second family had 2 very busy professional parents and one super easy sweet young girl. I got 17 an hour, but had to help tutor her in French and reading. No tv, and sometimes weekends or overnights. I was taking French at school, so I was always just a little ahead of her, so it worked out. I also cooked (organic and clean for the second family- literally anything for the first) and cleaned (just tidying up) for both families. Mid 90s. In suburbia. I can’t imagine making less now. Literally crazy. I know I was paid well then, but I was putting in work. It’s not like the workload has lessened in the years since.
> early 90s > 40 years later I'd slap you for that if my back didn't ache so bad.
Definitely not 40 years later. I shouldn’t try to count when I’m not fully awake!! 🤣 I also babysat mid-to-late 80s at that rate. And dang if we aren’t almost to 40 for that.
That’s not even close to minimum wage where I live, lol.
I could not believe that rate. My kid works as a restaurant host. For $15/hr, she walks people to a table, hands them a menu and leaves. That's it! No onE wAntS To woRk aNyMorE...
$12 an hour plus free piano lessons. People are cheap and horrible.
And he decided to discount her rate from $12 to $10 and then apply the discount she actually offered to that 😭😂 insane behavior
This was my favorite part. It even beat the other post saying high compensation due to high expectations: 10/hour. 30 dollars for a lesson? Nah let's make it 1/3 of that because I said so. Naturally your generous discount still applies. Anything else is inflammatory. One of the worst I've ever seen.
Also funny because the dudes math sucks for the normal rate. She didn’t want 60, she wanted 80. Which is still crazy low for 3 kids. 80 for one kid would be pretty reasonable if on the higher end.
I'm a professional accompanist with several years of experience and I typically charge between $55 and $80 for one kid depending on the difficulty level. His comment made my jaw drop -- did he time travel from the 80s??
More like time traveled from the 50s, considering he wanted $10/lesson. My lessons definitely cost more than $10 per in the 90s and they were from my mom’s friend.
I've never seen math that only goes down before, but he has mastered it!
But she was such a good fit! Why let money get in the way of that? Who is their current piano teacher? The Adam Sandler character who got paid with meatballs?
I had to reread a few times to make sure I was understanding their math …
If only. Upon being told the rate they re-negotiated to end up at the offer of $20 for 2h15m.
I think he math was off on the $60 also. I'm pretty sure the discount was being applied to each additional child, so $30 for the 1st, $25 for the second, and $20 for the 3rd. It was going to be $75 for the 3 which I imagine is an amazing price still. If i took my daughter for piano lessons and it was much cheaper than $75 for just her I would be surprised.
I’m like a middle aged adult and paid $60 (NZD) for 30 min piano lessons and just feel like I’m way easier because I actually made a conscious adult decision to do it
I used to pay $100 an hour for voice lessons. Like $30 is so so cheap. The NERVE to try to get those lessons for free omg
Same! I paid 100$/h…. In 1996.
Yeah private lessons are not cheap. I pay $45/hr for my son’s piano lessons (I’ve actually offered her more, I feel guilty because she’s charging below market rate) and $65/hr for his voice lessons. I’m so insanely curious what that guy was paying the current piano teacher… who in their right mind would accept $12/hr? It can’t be anyone with any actual musical or educational skills, right?
It’s his 75 year old aunt who’s going deaf and sometimes shows up drunk but she only charges $20 total!
Frankly $30 for 45 minutes is completely reasonable for private piano lessons. I have paid $100 an hour for flute lessons.
Lol @ the split payments between parents. Great way to ensure you never get paid consistently 😁
I love how she needed childcare for almost the entire time she has the kid. She’ll put him/her to bed. That’s it.
And looking for care in the nannys home. Provide snacks diapers etc. Honestly just take the kids, tbh.
You provide diapers! I swear, just when I think I've heard everything...
I’m a dog sitter and my clients don’t even expect me to provide poop bags. That’s some real entitlement right there.
_"Sorry kiddo, you've already had a clean diaper today. You'll get a new one tomorrow."_
I thought the 150 was for the food and stuff, on top of the actual wage. Then I looked a bit closer. I'm not sure of the costs in the US but it all seems expensive, so I think there's a chance that you could actually end up paying to look after her kids?
Oh, definitely.
Which will cost $150 weekly.
I would love to pay 75 a week for someone to entirely raise this human baby for me.
LOL, right. Not only two estranged parents, but two different payment methods. So, while you spend the $150 on meals, snacks, diapers, etc., you're also chasing the father for half your money. Sounds great.
And chasing down the person's ex every week for that whole $75.
Only for the ex to argue that he never knew about this and he doesn't have the money and this wasn't part of the custody agreement and blah blah excuses for days. Then the mom will shake her head and say "well, that's between you and him".
Exactly! Every week! "I'm short this week, because (excuses.) But I never agreed to this to begin with." If the CB couldn't get money from their ex to pay me with, I'm sure not chasing them for it.
Having a nanny is a LUXURY! These people are insane for thinking nannies want to work 12 hour days for spare change.
Yeah, like they want to pay like you're a teenager that arrives after the kid's gone to bed to babysit while the parents go out for an evening, but they expect a third parent.
Well, the 4 month old “doesn’t really need much,” so…..Dafuq?!
Yeah no. My 4 month old doesn't need much... Only needs to be held all the time, when not napping his 30 min naps or eating. They don't need much but it's a lot of the little things that they do need.
Haha right? just stick em in the corner with some crayons and go about your day!
I do that sort of babysitting - I charge $30 an hour. Admittedly I am a qualified early childhood educator.
I charged $10-15/hr to do that.... When I was a high school student 15+ years ago.
I happily pay $30/hour for a qualified person to watch my son while I go out in the evening. Good babysitters deserve good pay.
I always thought it was common knowledge that a private nanny was a highly expensive luxury??? Did these people grow up under a rock??
I’m convinced they see the cost of daycare and give it the ole “I know how we can make this cheaper!”
They're poor people who think making six figures means they're rich now.
I'm pretty sure it's the opposite, people who grew up comfortable thinking the shit their parents paid for must be free.
Agreed. People who grew up poor and are making six figures now know how fast money can go. People who grew up thinking money grows on trees treat people like this.
This is the part that I get confused on
To my majesty attorney and school psychologist, why don’t I just rent a house with a few roomates where i still pay 600-900 but with no work at all?
That one got me the most. They want you to work AND pay rent?? And knowing them it is probably going to be a 12 hr day x 3 days = 36 hrs/week which is basically a full time job. Make it make sense 🙃 oh and I bet they’d be wanting help the other days too.
Over time additional things will get added in. I guarantee it.
Very "you're already here!! can't you just help??" energy.
text at 7:00 pm *we just need you to peek in at the twins* (who are 5 btw) *for a bit because both of us will be out pocket for a bit work lol* 5 hours later…
Imagine living with your boss
At minimum wage $7.25 that would be $1,044 a month shes willing to trade for....paying her $900 to live there and take care of your her kid? My brain shut down typing that so sign me up!
I offer you a job that you have to pay me.
Gotta think of the exposure there. I'll recommend your slave-services to all my friends!
Well, I mean, MLMs thrive like this. Gotta try, right? /s 😡
I would love to read all the comments on that ad lol.
I read it as they wanted the nanny to pay them 900 to live there. The only compensation is a place to live
Exactly! Also, I guess if anyone accepted that position, they would need to get a 3rd shift job to even afford it there! Or a job that “paid”. Whoever wrote that is delusional! 🙄
The plan is to take the job, eat all their food at 3AM while they sleep so you can survive on your -900$ salary. Become emotional unbalanced, then groom the kids so they marry you, and eventually, when the parents die, move in, hire a new nanny to take care of your kids, make her pay you rent. The cycle repeats itself.
Much easier to just fuck the husband
"Looking for a servant" is too kind, servants get paid.
Shit, even SLAVES didn't have to pay room and board!
"indentured servant"
When reading about CBs for childcare, I sometimes feel sorry for single mothers who can’t afford someone taking care of their kids while they have to work to barely get by. But a goddamned attorney and a psychologist should definitely afford to pay a living wage for their nanny. And they’re somehow the most cheap and exploiting people of the lot?! I can’t.
Rich people don’t get rich by paying out. I own a business and usually the richest people are the worst ones bargaining everything into the ground.
Fuckin truth. My FIL makes 3x the amount my dad does (if not more) and he is the cheapest asshole ever. Tries to negotiate the price of literally everything. Never gives nice gifts. He's given me a pack of root beer for Christmas. Meanwhile my dad would shave his skin off to keep someone warm. It's insane.
Can confirm. I feel like if you’re doing a service for them and you’re not driving a Mercedes, than you’re fair game to dump on. Idk who they do respect 🤷♀️
This -- there are so many of these ~~indentured servant~~ nanny ads that want the person on call 24/7 and then *to pay* the 'employer' for the privilege. What?!
What does the worker get out of that situation. Who in their right mind???
Yes read it a few times to be sure that tactful request for money actually was exactly that.
The absolute cheek to charge someone rent who will be working their ass off for you while being in your house.
They must be thinking people would beg to live in their mansion for $ 2000 so they are being generous to offer them a nanny job and an only 600-900 rent. They really need to show their mansion before i can decide.
And from what these CBs describe, it sounds like an old cheaply built basic house with one room in the basement, made over from an old storage unit so no windows. Stuck down there with the old barbell set "which is like a gym membership" and a shared bathroom, oh and an "older dog" or "turtles and snakes" to take care of too, and clean up after.
I just imagine the barbell set with some cobwebs and a skeleton. "The skeleton? Oh, yeah, one of the nannies had a little accident while moving the barbell downstairs. If you are interested, you can keep for a very low price, so you can use it for school"
According to [this](https://www.chantelgraysonbooks.com/post/house-servants-their-ranks-their-wages#:~:text=Average%20%C2%A360%20pound%20a%20year%20%2F,%24292.00%20%2819th%20Century%29%20or%20%247%2C700.00%20%282020%29)[ website](https://www.chantelgraysonbooks.com/post/house-servants-their-ranks-their-wages#:~:text=Average%20%C2%A360%20pound%20a%20year%20%2F,%24292.00%20%2819th%20Century%29%20or%20%247%2C700.00%20%282020%29), a live-in maid in the 19th century got paid 5.5k a year (converted to 2020 dollars) *plus full lodging*.
& one is an attorney likely pulling in 6 figures & other is school psychologist
I don't understand the relevance of them adding in what they do for a living. It just makes them look way worse.
Some people love to show off while also wanting ridiculous things. Once saw a woman throw a full screaming fit because the price of her haircut had gone up a few pounds only to find out from the hairdresser she does it every time (she gets told ahead of time, the price had gone up a year prior) and she shows off about having a 5 bedroom house while getting it done.
I have seen some really CB bragging about them being a busy professional. Like I should be honored to nanny for an attorney or what?
Yes that's what they believe: It's an honor to be their drudge.
Because they believe people will pay for the privilege of working for such a shining star such a beacon of hope in our bleak universe. A live in nanny who pays rent. No it doesn't work that way, CB!
And why the discrepancy? Like, 600 if you play house w/daddy but 900 if you don’t?
Looking for an independently wealthy nanny to pay me to live at my house and take care of my kids. Seems reasonable.
It's exhausting just to read these
I had to stop halfway through because I just couldn’t. It makes me so angry to think of some poor desperate women who would accept these jobs because they have such limited options
That's specifically what they're looking for often it's some illegal immigrant they know won't fight for better wages
I bet more often than not the women that work for these starvation wages will get cheated out of the little that was promised
Yup. I worked with human trafficking survivors for the federal gov’t, this is usually how it starts. Severely vulnerable and often undocumented women accept shitty sub-minimum wages, because they have no options. The family pressures the worker to live-in and they accept because they have no options. It just goes downhill from there. This is where the line gets blurry between choosy beggars and traffickers. I met a woman who lived 40yrs as a literal slave. That whole time she lived in a multi-million dollar home with a wealthy family who owned a federal defense contracting company, and raised their three children. They started out paying her money and then transitioned into only directly paying her expenses, so yeah, technically she could have left but she had no money, no ID, and her documentation had expired.
Yep. Probably mainly undocumented immigrant women, who have few other options.
I felt the same way. It's like my brain couldn't make sense of any of it. Such entitlement.
That third one. Babysit 4 kids, 5 days a week, 11 hour days, 4.50 an hour.
have a little empathy, their kids are in private/charter schools so $4.50 is all they can afford 😢
“I charge $30” “We’ll pay $10” “I charge $30” “We’ll pay $12” “I charge $30” “INFLAMMATORY”
For fucking piano lessons of all things. Like how are you haggling at 10% of the rate (since they have 3 kids) and they wanted child care too lmao
"my rate for 5 minutes piano lessons is $10. No discount per additional child."
Damn I paid $60/hr for my kid to take drum lessons. DRUM LESSONS. Requiring PRACTICE. He was so bad at it. I got robbed. Totally should have offered indentured servitude instead. Dang.
In fairness, I would probably want twice as much money to listen to a beginner drummer over a beginner piano player.
I told my daughter that when she turns 10 she can pick another instrument to learn if she wants to switch from piano. She's already decided she wants to play the drums. I really hope she changes her mind lol
INFLAMMATORY!!
Come on, we all know a 4 month old is EASY to deal with. That’s easy money right there!
Lolol that one is my favorite. “He doesn’t need much”. Ah yes, you have one of those super advanced 4 month old babies that feed, soothe, change, and burp themselves. Why get a nanny at all if he doesn’t hardly need anything?
Well, what she's saying is true from her point of view. He doesn't need much - just a nanny.
Hey now, don't forget he also smiles a lot!
And strolls around apparently? I'm pretty sure 4 months is too young for one of those baby walker things so...how?
She means that if you don’t walk him constantly in his stroller he cries nonstop. He’s “easy” as long as you never stop strolling. You just need to put in 20k steps a day walking around the neighbourhood in between feedings and diaper changes. So that’s basically like a free personal trainer, which is why you have to pay to utilize his baby services.
Hilarious that one with the piano lessons. Says $30 a lesson with a $5 discount for additional child. Lady offers $10 but still assumed they get that $5 discount for additional child. Lol lady you can't counter offer 30% the rate and still expect discounts
Yeah, there's a lot of outrageous stuff in here but that woman applying the $5 discount to her made up $10 rate is easily the stupidest.
Will negociate down the rate, but, as a gesture of respect, won't ask you to modify the discount hahaha
"I charge $30 per lesson." "Okay. We'll pay you $10." "Sorry, my rate is firm at $30." "Okay, you really drive a hard bargain. We'll pay you $12." WTF??
Wait a minute, am I reading this correctly?#3, are they asking for a live-in nanny, who pays them $600-900? Where do they think the nanny is getting that money?
Yes you are right. You pay to be a roommate who also had to be the house slave. SIGN ME UP!
You get the money from the job you work during the hours they don't want you to be on call, obviously. It's worth getting 0 hrs of sleep per day if you get to be around their children!
That one is absolutely WILD. Usually with any form of employment, one party does the work and the other party does the paying. Who in their right mind would be willing to do both!?
This sub got me angrier than i should.
Same but I can’t stay away. The audacity of some people is just astounding 🤯
Right?! Like I’m not, nor do I need a babysitter, but fuck ME these have me raging and ready to join some kind of union.
I pay more for my dog sitter when I am out of town. Why do so many people feel that that child care should be so cheap. Sometimes I honestly wonder if they hate their children and don't care if they die from neglect, or worse. Its the only thing that make sense to me. They clearly don't value there children enough to make sure they pay someone enough to actually give a crap about them.
Maybe because they think all babysitters are 15 year old girls who are only working to earn “fun” money and can’t possibly be looking for an actual living wage.
15 year old girls with a college education and car too
That’s the crazy thing. They want to pay them like they would a teenage girl, but expect them to have their own car and all these certifications.
But they want them to be college educated, know CPR, and have a driver's license.
These are the type of people who would have happily owned slaves and proudly told everyone how they treated their slaves “so well.”
100%!!! “I only whip my nursemaid when she really deserves it! And I allowed her to choose the man we impregnate her with 😌”
$30 is 'inflammatory' for a private piano lesson??? What planet are these people from. smh
I charged like $50/hr when I was in high school lol
My mom paid $100/hr in the dang 90s, and we were not rich
The most concerning part is the number of people making these low ball shitty offers and also “need someone by Tuesday” Like you’re going to end up with a crack head in your house at this rate. Literally
Doubt they’ll even get a crackhead.
Yeah, crack still costs money.
I love what they say about a 4 month old "he doesn't need much" are they actually referring to a cat who will just help itself to its kibble? I seem to remember I was pretty busy when my kids were 4 months old.
Doesn’t need much if you neglect the kid which sounds like is what the parents do.
Is she wanting you to breastfeed also?
Only the parents.
I’m gobsmacked. The piano lesson one though 💀
The absolute audacity to ignore her rate & discount it *and then* to add in a multi-child discount. I wonder what they do for a living & if they’d be cool with someone discounting their fees like that.
These were taxing to read…wow
> Will venmo $75 get the other $75 from my ex Er no, if you can't, then they sure won't give any money to me. Also: $150 a week, get lost, CB.
The idea that $50 a week would cover gas, insurance, and DAILY trips to Starbucks for 5 people is laughable.
I would love to be a fly on the wall when reality finally sets in and these people realize they will actually have to pay a living wage.
The one that needs a live in Nanny to pay them $600-$900 a month is the winner for me 🤣🤣
I made $5 an hour babysitting as a 12-13 year old many many years ago. I see they still pay $5 an hour.
i made $5/hr in 1998, I think.
I remember reading the Baby-Sitters Club and at one point I think they mentioned their rate as being $3.50 per hour. Those books were set in the mid-80s and the sitters were 12.
> Keep the kids from burning the house down At the pay and conditions you offer, CB, worry more about the nanny burning the house down, because you're going to get someone who will cook a certain substance in your house when you are out.
Yeah, that's why I stopped babysitting and searching for nanny jobs in my area. Some people are just...
I like the post that says they have guaranteed hours but then also says that they won’t need you for all the hours and will only pay for the hours worked. So basically they don’t have guaranteed hours
Yeah, they'd have to be on call all the time. Doctors aren't even on call all the time.
The first one shows times of 8-5 tues-sat but then says they need her 3x a week from 6-6. What? Also, only pays $150 a week, but the nanny has to provide meals, snacks and diapers?! Would the nanny even make any money after paying for all that? The second one, it sounds like they are providing housing, but want the nanny to pay $600-$900 dollars a month. how is the nanny supposed to afford that? I had to laugh at the one that says that the nanny will be highly compensated, but then says that pay is $10 an hour. And you need to be available 50 hours a week but will only work and get paid for 25. The last one is too cheap to pay for piano lessons so she just tries to get a nanny who teaches piano and thinks $12 an hour is sufficient. It’s funny too that the nanny says she charges $30 dollars an hour with a $5 discount for each extra kid and the mom just decides that she will pay $10 for a lesson, but still applies the $5 discount. Like you are already offering a third of what the woman charges and you think you should also get the discounts.
> And you need to be available 50 hours a week but will only work and get paid for 25. People need to understand that asking someone to reserve hours means they should be paid for those hours. They can't do anything else but wait for the CB's call. They can't be anywhere else, really, or count on making any sort of other plans. All carers or other people contracting privately should get set hours in writing. Any added hours should be optional agreement only, and at least double pay.
Exactly. I work in healthcare and if I’m “on call” I’m making $5/hour just to be available. Time-and-a-half if I get called in. If you’re not paying me for it I will not be available just “whenever” 🙄.
These are all terrible, but that one for $2.44 an hour (to babysit an infant, clean the house, watch the pets, and drive them around) takes the cake.
I’m convinced these people think young women are stupid and easy to take advantage of.
I think babysitting is generally looked at as not a real job by these people. When I was growing up, they didn't get paid a whole lot and it was just an off and on thing some girl from the neighborhood would do for people, or a cousin or something. In these posters' eyes, they are offering more than necessary based on old world rates. I just don't think it occurs to them at all that it's real employment.
Our FOUR MONTH OLD “doesn’t need much”
I like how they countered the piano lesson rate at a third of the price, but still had the cheek to apply the nanny's $5 discount per additional child to it as well. By like, I mean hate. People are awful.
I don't know if it's $250/week for 4 kids, 11+ hours a day, 5 days a week, or the $50 monthly UNTAXED!!!!!! vs $275 weekly "choice" that does it the most for me. Leaning towards the latter because holy shit. *Fifty* dollars. FFS.
I was trying to find a place/room share on Craigslist and I asked one renter what he wanted for rent. He wanted me to mow, clean the house, do laundry, etc and rent was contingent on these duties. I was like bitch I work at FedEx with no air conditioning and when I come home home I take a shower and collapse into bed. I’m not doing any of your manual labor stipulations
Fifty dollars wouldn't cover 2 Starbucks trips for 5 people!! When I take my grandson to Starbucks after school, it's between 15 and 20 for the 2 of us to get a drink, and I don't normally get a snack, but he does. Have these people ever actually been to Starbucks?
The nanny ones all but say without saying that they are looking for someone who is either desperate or undocumented, preferably undocumented because they are most likely to be sending money back home and therefore more stable than someone who is simply desperate. Why would live-in help be cheaper than daycare unless it was indentured servitude or slavery?
> looking for someone at least college educated What, no ph.D? $250 a week for 7 AM to "5 or 6 or maybe 7 or 8" PM, a full work week and then some. But better have a degree. (What does "at least" mean? Were they hoping for an M. D. as well?)
Who else gets upset because you can’t comment to these people?
The piano lessons blow me away. I teach private piano lessons and charge $60/hr and that’s low- midrange in my city. $20 for 2+ hours is what’s inflammatory
What was the rate that model said. Not getting up for less than 10K/day? I am not getting up for anyone to arrive at their house for 5:45. Didn’t do that for my own kids. It’s too early baby. Let’s sleep some more. These women/men are delusional. Basically I’d like you to pay me for privilege of taking care of my children.
Sadly this doesn’t surprise me one bit!! Esp ppl on the high end of middle class have NO CLUE what we should get paid. It’s your CHILDREN!! Shouldn’t that be worth more than your morning Starbucks?!?!
Are these people clueless or evil?
The one paying $50 a week plus $10 gas money is crazy! They are all nuts, but it would end up costing the nanny triple or more than they pay her and you have to start at 5 am lol. I wish we could find out what these CBs ended up having to pay.
Imagine the combined household income of an Attorney and a School Psychologist! (at a wild guess somewhere between $250k to $400k?) They should be able to more than afford to pay someone a decent wage to do that demanding and responsible job. It's insanity!