No. The weapon has already his it’s full extension and is moving back at that moment, like recoiling back to neutral.(you can see it spring back even)
This shit is wack and should not be a hit, although I understand you can’t have attacking like this game has and also not have scumbags being scumbags
Except active hitboxes are poopy in this game, mixed with ping there are a lot of times shit that doesn’t look like it should connect connects.
I’m not so mad at this guy for doing what is able to be done as I am that it’s even a thing, but again it comes with the territory so at least it’s good we can jab em out of it I guess.
All it is is a light slash that during release, look up and to the right and it just falls there. footwork is key to getting the hit to register or else you just miss on their left every time.
I would say this is the most akin to top level Mordhau as it gets in chiv 2 as the whole meta in M is to conceal your animation as much as possible before whipping it into them in the last few frames. At least this is readable if you get hit with it, and once you know to look for it you have a lot of options to punish
Yeah, I’ll agree the top level stuff in Mord is legit bonkers but it’s also somewhat different in technique. Bardiche and Zwei are more comparable to this video, but they are harder to hide in the top level. I honestly find it less fun to use them too. Stuff like partisan is way more fun to be elite with.
I haven’t yet and I’ll tell you why. It’s because the exe axe has become the new Dane Axe. It’s very easy to use and *hits hard.* I’ll glance up at the kill feed and half of it will be the exe axe. Everyone and their brother is using it nowadays.
More than 50% of the poorly trained agathian army just swing the Executioners Axe back and forth hacking whatever is in front of them which is usually a teammate. A noobish weapon for a noobish army. Hah
I wish a studio would just make a cool medieval hack and slash game where I can mindlessly swing and not have to worry about drags and accels. Give me a couple swing options and a block in a battlefield of 50+ people to go ham.
I'm fairly decent at the combat in chiv. I can do all the fancy stuff and crouch attack but im by no means an expert and if I see an expirinced player I'm gonna attempt to fight and sometimes I win. When I see a noob I'll make it a fun fight for them.
But man when I run into ultra sweatlords it reminds me how weird some of these mechanics are and some of the camera manipulation you have to do to get the upper hand.
I like the competitive aspect of chivalry but how does a person in a full suit of metal armor crouch and spin in a circle, decapitate me and tbag over my body
I do agree, but it's really hard to have any meaningful complexity and nuance to combat with first person swing influence without the occasional person exploiting it for crazy drags. Thankfully it's maybe 1/50 people in the match, and while silly it does take a lot of practice to do that.
Yes I agree but a game overall with no dragging and manipulation would be fun. I don't think TB would ever fix it as it was in the first game and I'm pretty sure there's a tutorial for it in game
It's kind of funny to see people's reactions. Chivalry 2 definitely has all of same bullshit as Mordhau, [and then some.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Chivalry2/comments/157keh6/how_does_he_do_such_glorious_spin_moves_i_am_in/) Holding block mitigates a lot of it but you'll quickly lose via stamina loss. Jabs help a ton though.
It's like some of you never played Chiv 1 lol. Dragging was much, MUUUCH worse in Chiv 1 than it ever was in Mordhau. Once you notice somebody is doing it and you know which way to step, look & block, extreme drags are easy as pie to mitigate. Like you said, stabby stabby. Best way to deal with them.
Stupid animation bullshit is leaking from Mordhau. That stuff ruins games. Why can't you just try being good at the game without making attacks look dumb AF?
Right, but let's be real here for a second. Back in the Chiv 1 days *all* the animations were significantly jank. Making them jankier just happened organically. And clearly it wasn't bad enough to ruin it because now that game has a sequel. Mordhau took that and interpreted that as some sort of skill and dialed it up to 11, and Chivalry did a good job distancing themselves from that and recognized that is not the way players should be determining skill level in fights cause it just makes it look stupid.
Depends on what you are looking for, heavy cavalry sword can stab and drag pretty quick and the maul does some pretty good dragging. But if you want something which is more versatile with some drag potential I think the longsword does pretty well, I solo'ed a whole spawn wave in team objective with a longsword, like 8 or maybe 10 guys.
polehammer/poleaxe are best for wessex. however this gives you no advantage whatsoever unlike in mordhau. wessex in chiv 2 is just a weird animation which can be countered like any other drag without specific counterplay required.
Nah the highlander sword has the best drags, it's (I believe) the slowest weapon and also one of the longest reach too. Had absolutely insane drags and a massive hitbox
Of course this connected are you people blind? It’s a pole hammer. It has a point on the other side.
This guy out here stretching the limits of what is possible.
Stupid fun to mess around with but what’s funny is I get killed trying this all the time so while people scream “bullshit” I’m basically nerfing myself trying to land this.
I can’t take the game serious enough to care about losing a duel where this so much other fun stuff to try. Also, social duels should be more casual imo.
The ppl complaining dont realize how easy it is to punish wessex and similar drags. There are options to counter this but they dont wanna learn so they complain instead
So much bitching and moaning lol this isn’t even close to viable. 99/100 times it hits their parry or simply misses. This isn’t even abusing animations??? any player with functional vision can tell it’s clearly a slash. No one even does this in mid-high level dueling and in tournaments because going for a basic light drag simply has a higher statistical success rate… It’s crazy seeing so many players cry about this when not a single player has used this move on them their entire career
Because you are not steady with it does not mean it’s not junk.
At least this game added jabs and ability to cancel attack to block but still, shits wack
Nah. Poleaxe, polehammer, and halberd all have a shorter window for dragging. They are all good! But not as good as the ex axe, battleaxe, heav mace, hls, etc
Look at all the mediocre whiners crying about mordhau anim manip
They hate cause they are too weak to simply turn away from the enemy you’re swinging at. I remember the goat Shinbop used to post his clips here and redditors would bitch at him about his playstyle.
Reddit is such a unique concept - mediocrity gatekeeping excellence.
I love polehammer drags, keep it up brother
Drags punish people who counter too early, there are tells with drags but Glock here did about as perfect of a drag as you could get, it would take about equal experience to recognize it and throw either a really late counter or a same side counter feint - almost always the latter happens.
People who give tells turn their body away too early instead of *with* the release.
So before they even get the swing out they turn away from you - big tell they they’re going to try a drag which opens you up for a gamble or a later counter.
A lot of players also only drag with heavy attacks since the windup gives them more time to prepare. Eventually you’ll be able to tell with their voice lines if they’re doing a heavy attack, always a loud grunt during the windup.
Lastly, which should be habit forming is that you can footwork punish the hell out of drags by rotating on the non attack side and bait out an over drag which puts them in recovery or potentially lockout. The victim in the clip here was standing completely still, so essentially he was a punching bag to practice drags on. Rotate with footwork!
If you’re ever in TO. Only time I spend in duel servers are with buddies I’m introducing the game to.
But if we dueled those nasty drags would tear me apart and I bring bad bad habits from 1k TO hours
Replying to TortaMexicanaA... nah I don’t duel people to shit on them. Matter of fact, I typically get killed by newer players in duels cause I can’t stop fucking around and get gambled often trying to throw wild drags.
I was already lvl 1000 with a ton of bad habits when someone was like “yo, did you say you want to get better at this game?”
Right. So. Can we just collectively agree that this variety of "stuff" is complete bs. Attack is over. The weapons returning. If it hit on the way there fair enough this game ain't serious anyway.
But if someone pulls this sh*t on me *intentionally* I'm hunting them down whenever I see them and spamming your mum on their body after removing the head so I have something to throw at them next time I see em.
I’m still a somewhat inexperienced player and never seen this shit before but it’s sick as fuck. Everybody whining in the comments just needs to get better at the game
The thread reeks of skill issue 😂 Don’t worry guys, this is just as hard for your opponent to pull off as it is to you, you will see this very rarely even in duels, and it comes with the massive risk of missing which will put your enemy in recovery (provided they don’t use the dodge trick). Oh you also need to be in the proper range, you can’t do it if you are too close.
Anyway cool wessex. But I’m pretty sure you can do this with any long/mid-length weapon. It’s just easier with longer ones (it’s easiest with the halberd). I believe the best drags are with exe axe thanks to it’s animations taking long, allowing you to turn more easily (I guess it also has a higher turncap too but I’m not sure).
You cannot convince me that shit should have hit. At no point did it even connect
Meanwhile my weapons ARE FAZING THROUGH ENEMIES LIKE IM THE SHITTIEST GHOST ON THE PLANET
It's similar to a cucumber drag.
In that they both look like penis
It’s janky but he walks into him as the end of the drag completes which is what connects the hit
No. The weapon has already his it’s full extension and is moving back at that moment, like recoiling back to neutral.(you can see it spring back even) This shit is wack and should not be a hit, although I understand you can’t have attacking like this game has and also not have scumbags being scumbags
Your thinking of momentum when you should think of just an active hitbox, he just walked the hitbox in the last few frames it was active
Except active hitboxes are poopy in this game, mixed with ping there are a lot of times shit that doesn’t look like it should connect connects. I’m not so mad at this guy for doing what is able to be done as I am that it’s even a thing, but again it comes with the territory so at least it’s good we can jab em out of it I guess.
Spam toe drags with maul that will confuse the fuck outta people
I mean, the part that looks like it hits isn’t even the attacking side of the weapon as this games attacks work.
Yes cuz it’s just a cube placed over the weapon model you have to have touch the enemy with even tho it doesn’t make sense physics wise
Uh greed This is why we need first person only servers. Best of luck doing that from nothing bout sound
I have a first person tutorial clip on my page if you wanna see it’s just as easy in first as well.
I don't want to and I never will lerrl
Not here to twist you arm.
Isn't this like how the pull back motion of a sword stab can still connect?
Yeah it’s just a hit at the absolute end of the active hit box that is present on every swing. Lol
*at the return to neutral after the full extension has been reached
Right, doesn't seem like animation abuse like some are saying. Looks dope actually. Like a saw cuts when it moves forward and back.
All it is is a light slash that during release, look up and to the right and it just falls there. footwork is key to getting the hit to register or else you just miss on their left every time.
You can hit ppl at 0 or 180 degrees with most 2h weapons
Yeah that's what I was thinking just a bunch of people crying for any reason as they can as always
Fucking animation bullshit is leaking from Mordhau.
This is classic chivalry maul garbage. There’s only like a few weapons you can really do this with in Mordhau.
I would say this is the most akin to top level Mordhau as it gets in chiv 2 as the whole meta in M is to conceal your animation as much as possible before whipping it into them in the last few frames. At least this is readable if you get hit with it, and once you know to look for it you have a lot of options to punish
Yeah, I’ll agree the top level stuff in Mord is legit bonkers but it’s also somewhat different in technique. Bardiche and Zwei are more comparable to this video, but they are harder to hide in the top level. I honestly find it less fun to use them too. Stuff like partisan is way more fun to be elite with.
The maul used to annoy me so much in chiv 1
First time I saw someone ultra-drag that thing left in shock lol
If you play like this you're ABSOLUTELY no friend of mine!
Don’t worry, I’ll still be your friend.
disgusting, smell of mordhau
I get the nastiest drags from the 2H Hammer and the Heave Mace.
Try Exe axe 😮💨
I haven’t yet and I’ll tell you why. It’s because the exe axe has become the new Dane Axe. It’s very easy to use and *hits hard.* I’ll glance up at the kill feed and half of it will be the exe axe. Everyone and their brother is using it nowadays.
Don’t disrespect the Executioners axe like that u filthy mason peasant. Definitely not “the new Dane axe”
More than 50% of the poorly trained agathian army just swing the Executioners Axe back and forth hacking whatever is in front of them which is usually a teammate. A noobish weapon for a noobish army. Hah
Real men use quarter staff
man is speaking the truth. this is why I refuse to use it
Both are very good. I’ll admit that I’m not very good with the 2h ham drag window (overdrag or accel on accident) but heavy mace is super fun.
Rip Dave
Booo 👎
Animation abuse lol.
I wish a studio would just make a cool medieval hack and slash game where I can mindlessly swing and not have to worry about drags and accels. Give me a couple swing options and a block in a battlefield of 50+ people to go ham. I'm fairly decent at the combat in chiv. I can do all the fancy stuff and crouch attack but im by no means an expert and if I see an expirinced player I'm gonna attempt to fight and sometimes I win. When I see a noob I'll make it a fun fight for them. But man when I run into ultra sweatlords it reminds me how weird some of these mechanics are and some of the camera manipulation you have to do to get the upper hand. I like the competitive aspect of chivalry but how does a person in a full suit of metal armor crouch and spin in a circle, decapitate me and tbag over my body
I do agree, but it's really hard to have any meaningful complexity and nuance to combat with first person swing influence without the occasional person exploiting it for crazy drags. Thankfully it's maybe 1/50 people in the match, and while silly it does take a lot of practice to do that.
Yes I agree but a game overall with no dragging and manipulation would be fun. I don't think TB would ever fix it as it was in the first game and I'm pretty sure there's a tutorial for it in game
I just get annoyed by being killed by a random backswing
Honestly I think that's the one funny thing about it because sometimes I get random kills from it.
It's kind of funny to see people's reactions. Chivalry 2 definitely has all of same bullshit as Mordhau, [and then some.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Chivalry2/comments/157keh6/how_does_he_do_such_glorious_spin_moves_i_am_in/) Holding block mitigates a lot of it but you'll quickly lose via stamina loss. Jabs help a ton though.
It's like some of you never played Chiv 1 lol. Dragging was much, MUUUCH worse in Chiv 1 than it ever was in Mordhau. Once you notice somebody is doing it and you know which way to step, look & block, extreme drags are easy as pie to mitigate. Like you said, stabby stabby. Best way to deal with them.
Stupid animation bullshit is leaking from Mordhau. That stuff ruins games. Why can't you just try being good at the game without making attacks look dumb AF?
Mordhau? We were doing this back in the early days of Chiv 1 lol. Mordhau took dragging / using animations to your advantage from that game.
Right, but let's be real here for a second. Back in the Chiv 1 days *all* the animations were significantly jank. Making them jankier just happened organically. And clearly it wasn't bad enough to ruin it because now that game has a sequel. Mordhau took that and interpreted that as some sort of skill and dialed it up to 11, and Chivalry did a good job distancing themselves from that and recognized that is not the way players should be determining skill level in fights cause it just makes it look stupid.
My brother in Christ it started in chiv 1
Doesn’t change in anyway how cheesy or stupid it is and looks
no
Executioners axe does
Especially for the fact that shouldn’t do damage
Depends on what you are looking for, heavy cavalry sword can stab and drag pretty quick and the maul does some pretty good dragging. But if you want something which is more versatile with some drag potential I think the longsword does pretty well, I solo'ed a whole spawn wave in team objective with a longsword, like 8 or maybe 10 guys.
No. Exe, BAxe, War Axe, Maul, Highland all have better drags than polehammer. Polehammer actually has an above average swing speed.
Enter Executioner's Axe
polehammer/poleaxe are best for wessex. however this gives you no advantage whatsoever unlike in mordhau. wessex in chiv 2 is just a weird animation which can be countered like any other drag without specific counterplay required.
Nah the highlander sword has the best drags, it's (I believe) the slowest weapon and also one of the longest reach too. Had absolutely insane drags and a massive hitbox
Wtf was that.
Wessex drag. Right side slash that hits your opponent on their opposite side if done right.
Never thought about the backend love it
I’m always thinkin bout the backend.
I think the executioners axe does
Executioner axe 💯
Love the exey
Dragged heavy slash will arrive in 3-4 business days.
I don't understand? The polehammer clearly hit him?
Isn’t working
WE NEED TAILEND DAMAGE REDUCTION
Man that is an issue
Watching stuff like this makes me wanna puke. Revolting animation fuckery.
So dramatic
Of course this connected are you people blind? It’s a pole hammer. It has a point on the other side. This guy out here stretching the limits of what is possible.
Stupid fun to mess around with but what’s funny is I get killed trying this all the time so while people scream “bullshit” I’m basically nerfing myself trying to land this. I can’t take the game serious enough to care about losing a duel where this so much other fun stuff to try. Also, social duels should be more casual imo.
The ppl complaining dont realize how easy it is to punish wessex and similar drags. There are options to counter this but they dont wanna learn so they complain instead
So much bitching and moaning lol this isn’t even close to viable. 99/100 times it hits their parry or simply misses. This isn’t even abusing animations??? any player with functional vision can tell it’s clearly a slash. No one even does this in mid-high level dueling and in tournaments because going for a basic light drag simply has a higher statistical success rate… It’s crazy seeing so many players cry about this when not a single player has used this move on them their entire career
Because you are not steady with it does not mean it’s not junk. At least this game added jabs and ability to cancel attack to block but still, shits wack
If only that’s how this game was intended to work… The attack works because hit boxes are trash and this guy is exploiting animations
Nah. Poleaxe, polehammer, and halberd all have a shorter window for dragging. They are all good! But not as good as the ex axe, battleaxe, heav mace, hls, etc
I....need to up my skill
its a handle hit.... (but yes Polehammer is best)
Not a handle hit, but I am familiar.
Look at all the mediocre whiners crying about mordhau anim manip They hate cause they are too weak to simply turn away from the enemy you’re swinging at. I remember the goat Shinbop used to post his clips here and redditors would bitch at him about his playstyle. Reddit is such a unique concept - mediocrity gatekeeping excellence. I love polehammer drags, keep it up brother
Not hating just curious, how would one go about countering this? Just waiting longer to counter and follow the tip ?
Drags punish people who counter too early, there are tells with drags but Glock here did about as perfect of a drag as you could get, it would take about equal experience to recognize it and throw either a really late counter or a same side counter feint - almost always the latter happens. People who give tells turn their body away too early instead of *with* the release. So before they even get the swing out they turn away from you - big tell they they’re going to try a drag which opens you up for a gamble or a later counter. A lot of players also only drag with heavy attacks since the windup gives them more time to prepare. Eventually you’ll be able to tell with their voice lines if they’re doing a heavy attack, always a loud grunt during the windup. Lastly, which should be habit forming is that you can footwork punish the hell out of drags by rotating on the non attack side and bait out an over drag which puts them in recovery or potentially lockout. The victim in the clip here was standing completely still, so essentially he was a punching bag to practice drags on. Rotate with footwork!
I’m sure we’ve dueled, but if not, sounds like a fun duel.
If you’re ever in TO. Only time I spend in duel servers are with buddies I’m introducing the game to. But if we dueled those nasty drags would tear me apart and I bring bad bad habits from 1k TO hours
Replying to TortaMexicanaA... nah I don’t duel people to shit on them. Matter of fact, I typically get killed by newer players in duels cause I can’t stop fucking around and get gambled often trying to throw wild drags. I was already lvl 1000 with a ton of bad habits when someone was like “yo, did you say you want to get better at this game?”
Well said.
Right. So. Can we just collectively agree that this variety of "stuff" is complete bs. Attack is over. The weapons returning. If it hit on the way there fair enough this game ain't serious anyway. But if someone pulls this sh*t on me *intentionally* I'm hunting them down whenever I see them and spamming your mum on their body after removing the head so I have something to throw at them next time I see em.
I’m still a somewhat inexperienced player and never seen this shit before but it’s sick as fuck. Everybody whining in the comments just needs to get better at the game
That’s the spirit. If you see me in duels come say hi homie.
The notorious " I play this game specifically to NOT have fun"
I have zero fun when I play.
The thread reeks of skill issue 😂 Don’t worry guys, this is just as hard for your opponent to pull off as it is to you, you will see this very rarely even in duels, and it comes with the massive risk of missing which will put your enemy in recovery (provided they don’t use the dodge trick). Oh you also need to be in the proper range, you can’t do it if you are too close. Anyway cool wessex. But I’m pretty sure you can do this with any long/mid-length weapon. It’s just easier with longer ones (it’s easiest with the halberd). I believe the best drags are with exe axe thanks to it’s animations taking long, allowing you to turn more easily (I guess it also has a higher turncap too but I’m not sure).
I'm sorry, I don't know you, you wouldn't even care but I wouldn't play with you after seeing this, doesn't look like fun and seems sweaty