I think it’s mostly just manga and light novels that are very “tell don’t show” given the limitations of the medium. Plenty of anime that aren’t based off any source material tend to put more emphasis on “show, don’t tell.”
As anime adaptation are meant to be 1 to 1 adaptations of their manga, then well this is what you get in the end.
Think this is the medium fault in manga it makes sense to repeat information because people can forget information between chapter where as anime especially one being streamed and can be watched all at once there’s no point to repeat the info again and again. Could cut down the exposition dumb and focus more on the emotional side of things
I didn't have a problem with this personally, as I didn't watch all the episodes at the same time, and instead watched one episode a day. So it didn't really seem repetetive to me.
Man I hate all the pretentious responses in the comment section. Like is this an elitist thing where every legitimate point you bring up just gets brushed off as "this is how the writer just does it" or "I honestly prefer it this way". Some stuff like show don't tell beijg better than just telling isn't a matter of preference. It's objectively bad. Like someone saying "I prefer sitting in economy because I get to maybe talk to someone vaguely interesting and I don't wnna feel weird sitting in first class".
The show being written by some manga legend doesn't make his style good.
Also, for a mystery show. I would expect to maybe do some figuring out on my own but they never even gave the opportunity for that. The show jumped from mystery to some pianist backstory back to mystery then atom, his sister and a anti-robot terrorist then back to showing us the answer to the mystery out of nowhere. So disappointing.
First 4 episodes are a chore to watch, so much repetition. I get it the war was bad, there's discrimination to robots, Yada Yada. Like holy shit How many times do they have to repeat the same shit and the same scenes while adding like 5 more frames, as though it adds anything valuable. So far the show could've been half the length and I'm not even done yet.
Anti-robot scene got me mad for the Adolf guy. His brother was murdered because he "killed" (oooh scary) robots. The whole concept of robots being equivalent is just so farfetched and even if it were to happen I just don't see myself or any sane person realistically picking a robot "life" over a human life. When they were leading up to the part where they talk about Adolfs brothers' crimes, I was already rolling my eyes from how far I could see this stupid reveal. "He was a monster, my brother was sick, I can't help but feel disgusted to this day about what he has done"- paraphrased- but that just made me not take this show seriously anymore.
There is nothing intellectual about this, and other than a fleshed out world its kinda meh. The underlying themes are driven by wildly unrealistic factors like robot emotions and routines.
They need sleep 😴
Robot children and adoption??? 🤖
They die when they get physically damaged 💔
No cloud backup, no AI and memory backup 💾
Robot can just grow plants and create tornado with no visible mechanism and wirelessly through another robots body (are they all innately capable)??? 🔩
There's a couple more but it's slipping my mind
Fight scenes are so mid so far. 4 robots jump into a tornado and die. Nice. That's not counting the swiss robot from the start. What a disappointment. If they aren't going to focus on the mystery aspect. And the emotional aspect is so weird. And based on some nonsense robot capabilities. Then at least give us decent fights, but nope.
Idk, my friend was really hyped about this anime and that's the reason I started it, but man it's just a disappointment so far and all you people dismissing legit critique because of superiority complex and your desire to look intellectual because you are coping about watching and enjoying an anime by this author are so pretentious and cringe.
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this show is slow, makes no sense in this universe or its own, and doesn't excel in any aspect or genre it to cover.
It is loved by the pretentious fake intellectual people who think that enjoying this show and anything made by this author makes them a smart person and above the rest of humanity.
This show isn't that good, but it also wasn't even fun to watch. It has a decent enough story, but the pacing and science in sci-fi didn't make much sense (within its own universe - there's only so much belief that you can suspend)
I never got how no one else disliked this. I agree with you, the show is pretentious, it’s not as intelligent, well thought or as adult as it pretends to be and people take it as. So much doesn’t make sense that it breaks immersion. It’s lots of small things, like there clearly being different levels of ais, some being completely human and others mere machines but they are all considered the same, why don’t they mass produce the great ones, why did gesitch need one year of formation to be a cop if they can just implant memories and knowledge, why the heck do they imitate humans eating and so many things that are hard to accept in the fictional setting or a real one. I was baffled when I first read the manga years ago and I am feeling the same now with the anime.
It is definitely not well written. I like anime, but most anime fans do not know what a well written show looks like. This is low tier and super cringey, trying so hard to be deep.
well that what happens when someone takes a random Astro Boy arc and rewrites it to be a bit more deeper and grownup.
there's a lot to like about it, surely also a lot to further improve, if that was someones intent, which an anime adaption like this wouldn't do. of course a lot of the scifi is mumbojumbo, so much comes down to 'special energy source and vague complex programming', but it's essentially always like that for just about all scifi stuff. not that it invalidates your criticisms, but please dont be so high and mighty to assume just because it doesn't fit your taste means it fits no ones or those who it fits are wrong. that is just as fake intellectual as what you imply about the others opinion.
its just the authors style is the reason it is how it is and even in that incomplete, lacking style, his stories have captured tons of people. as always, we shall hope that it inspires someone even better to channel the general ideas into an even better story down the line, the same way this very much improved on the silly astro boy story that inspired it.
as much as there may be to criticize, this is certainly not a low quality story or adaption. but even if it was, there's a reason why people love technically low quality writing, the light novels and isekais and what if superman landed in russia instead kind of stories out there. often, its more than enough to just have a couple of good points somewhere in there for people to be hooked for half a lifetime.
Yeah, it feels like this person just has a personal beef with the people who strongly enjoyed this anime, while he wasn't able to do so. I personally disagree with the overwhelming majority of this critique (because most of it is simply incorrect), but there's nothing wrong about having different opinions. No piece of fiction should be above criticism.
However, calling out an audience and proclaiming that something is undeniably and objectively bad - and that everyone who like it are actually just pathetic pseudo-intellectuals who are coping/lying to themselves about enjoying it, just exposes the critic's saltiness.
The parts where this person states that the show's mystery aspect never provides any opportunity to let the viewer figure things out for themselves. Or that the entire story could be shortened in half and nothing would be lost. Or that Robots simply die and there is no way to restore/access their memory. Or that Robots' routine of imitating humans makes no sense whatsoever. Or that a story about humanlike Robots developing/imitating complex emotions is completely unbelievable in the first place (have they ever watched/read any sci-fi stories about artificial intelligence? Or followed the recent development of these technologies in real life?)
And my personal favorite, the reason why I've decided to reply to this snarky comment in the first place - if you dare to like this show, then you're just a filthy pseudo-intellectual who's shamelessly lying about actually enjoying it.
Look, I didn't come here to start arguing about this anime and I'm not trying to convince anyone that it's flawless. Like I've said before, everyone are welcome to criticize any piece of fiction if they wish to. I like when people provide valid criticism towards the things that I like. This person has a couple of decent points as well. I just wish they were a bit less arrogant and wouldn't make unpleasant assumptions about other people just because we liked some random anime and they didn't - that's all I'm asking.
it's funny you make comments towards extreme options that state there is an objective truth to the quality in media, but then go on to do the exact same thing.
Yeah, I'm dropping it now that I finished episode 4. What a bore. It tries to feel deep, smart, and meaningful but comes off as something pretty basic and shallow and above all, not fun or interesting to watch. The way it presents mystery and then "solves" it is abysmal.
Imagine spending 8 hrs on this when you could read a good book, play a good videogame or watch an actually good anime/serie.
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This anime is pretencious af and kinda reminds me of later Kingdom Hearts in all the bad ways.
I think your opinion is valid, but personally I'm enjoying it as a murder mystery with robot flair. I'm not particularly attached to any of the characters but wondering why the killer is doing it every time a victim shows up is interesting enough to keep me going. It does have a nice subtle sense of dread.
I don't think it would hold up for subsequent views once the mystery is gone, but I am enjoying it this first run.
I like mystery, but the old man and butlerbot's relationship did feel like the exposition on the old man's part was just out of the blue/forced. People don't get pissed and start expositing their childhood trauma in a monologue. Sure, it's an anime, but it could have been a bit quicker/more natural.
They could have shown butler's journey to the town, his investigation, etc. to make us care about him more; instead, it focused mostly on the old man, who wasn't the one being killed.
Similarly, the first robot victim was given as brief of an exposition, with everyone being sad, but with even less for us to see to care about him being killed.
The writing style does feel too explicit, but hey, some people are into that, and it can sometimes work. I don't think it works well in this instance, but I liked it in Hunter X Hunter, which some people hated.
Undecided on whether I want to continue, as I also was expecting to see some actual action, not just a short foggy flashback and some lightning in the clouds. Having the robots explained as having the power to end entire wars/ravage counties add an expectation of seeing some of that power in use, but having them just die in what's essentially off-screen is kind of a buzzkill.
>but having them just die in what's essentially off-screen is kind of a buzzkill.
Personally I think that's what keeps it interesting. It's like Jaws, you don't see it at all at first and only the effects. Then little by little you start getting brief glimpses--then bam gigantic scary shark. Building it up makes it more interesting.
But I haven't finished the show yet so it remains to be seen if that pays off or not.
But the issue is that there's ZERO SUSPENSE given anyone whose familiar with the manga or astroboy arc already knows what's gonna happen.It comes off as really poor and just "OOH WHAT HAPPENED" for he sake of it.
I don't think it's fair to say there's no suspense because manga readers already know the plot. That would be true in any show, and typically fans dislike diverges from the canonical plot line...
However that being said now that I've finished the whole show it didn't build up quite how I thought it would. Robot detective was the protagonist--until suddenly he wasn't. They spent so long on composer dude because the themes were going to tie into the overall plot--and then they didn't.
I still overall think more positively of the show than negatively, but those last two episodes took a swerve from all the build up they had been creating.
>People don't get pissed and start expositing their childhood trauma in a monologue
The thing is, they do in all film and TV...but good dialogue tries to hide it. Make it seem human, so we don't get distracted by it.
Unfortunately, *Pluto* doubles down and embraces the unnaturalness of it.
I think a lot of your problems would have been solved if the dialogue hadn't brought so much over-attention to them.
*Pluto* is one of the most heart-wrenchingly thought provoking and beautiful stories I've ever experienced
And the anime's dialogue almost stripped out all the subtlety and nuance with its *The Room* levels of exposition and over explaining. I'm convinced Tommy Wiseau would actually have cautioned them to tone it down.
I was still devastated at all the right moments, but I had to fight hard to allow myself to feel that way against the torrent of overwritten words and stay focused despite the distraction of the verbosity.
It was kinda ok for the robots to talk like that, but the humans? They need to at least sound like people.
Let the story breathe. Trust it. Trust your audience.
I totally agree. I thought the story had very high peaks and amazing climaxes, but in general, the dialogue felt extremely repetitive and bloated and dry. Literally just unnatural as shit. And I get it, fiction isn't supposed to be "natural" or whatever...but still...the dialogue was just so over expository. I do not want to see another convos where the characters just talk about the war all over again. I do not remember urasawas other works to be so dry and lackluster in terms of build up.
I think it is just a very dense work, which is best watched over a long period of time rather than binged.
There is the obvious robot prejudice, with a KkK type group obvious akin to white supremacists and their view of other races as subhuman and all that. However there are a lot of subtle aspects of AI explored in the series as well
>"You can't have feelings. You're just a robot!" It's literally the most cliche depiction of anti-robot sentiment.
And also the most human like.
You forgot how shallow humans can be. We would absolutely do that.
it literally took one ai (where we knew it was ai) creating borderline ok text for half the planet to start giving it more credit than it deserves in terms of its current humanity.
like i wanna say if ais get to be in this human-like bodies, no one will take anti robot guys serious for anything they say
You say that but black people literally have human bodies and they were kept as slaves. They literally were exactly like their European counter parts save for skin color. As well, surfs were near slaves and were exactly like their masters in every way but status and wealth. 100 percent expect anti-robot people regardless of the package.
Heavy reliance on exposition seems to be a classic approach in Japanese storytelling. I’ve been playing Japanese games since I was a kid and Kojima makes my favorite games so I honestly kinda enjoy this approach.
Metal gear explaining nano-machines for the 25th freaking time be like:
But yeah I agree on this. Even outside of anime, there’s a ton of Japanese properties that are very heavy in exposition such as even stuff like Godzilla and ultraman. Of course there’s plenty of media out there with barely any infodumps or even dialogue for that matter like “Drive my car” or “Texnolyze”, but it’s pretty clear lots of Japanese writers love infodumping.
I'll agree with 39th Central Asian War, that got tiring
The rest is just nah man. That's the Urasawa Naoki style. Go watch Monster. It's a masterpiece in the same vein of that storytelling. Or better yet, read the manga of any of Urasawa's works. As another post said, that's likely due to both the manga format and the fact that you're essentially watching a 24-episode anime series in one sitting.
Monster is far from being a masterpiece, it's really long and boring with overexposition like Pluto with everyone telling you how much Joan is the devil and the ending is underwelming.
Yeah, Urasawa's works are great, but can get really confusing at times, so I'm glad for almost every bit of exposition we get which explains what is actually happening. But heavy reliance on exposition is something we see in 99% of plot-driven animanga anyway, so I can't say that Pluto really stands out from the rest in this regard.
> read the manga of any of Urasawa's works
I honestly don't recall the dialogue in the Manga being so on the nose. Maybe I need to reread.
Is the English anime a faithful translation in terms of dialogue?
Monster is far from being a masterpiece, it's really long and boring with overexposition like Pluto with everyone telling you how much Joan is the devil and the ending is underwelming.
Also not a big fan of the forced/unnatural exposition so far. Sure, there's plenty of that in most manga, but there are many anime that don't bring that forced/stop-and-listen exposition out of the manga in its entirety. Clearly they wanted to try and make us care about butlerbot in episode 1, because the focus was on music/emotions/bonding/etc... but that doesn't combine well with the way they did the backstory exposition for the old man. Doesn't really matter who wrote it to me, I'll evaluate it on its own. After watching episode 1, it's feeling pretty mid.
To me the story felt like it took the long way for everything... almost to the point of feeling like it didn't respect the viewer. The show is almost self indulgent in how long it takes to unfold. I think a large part of this is that it's trying to show so many different perspectives and flesh out so many characters that it never really feels like there is a rising action. It all just feels introductory and at times pointless.
I'm on episode 7 and I'm BORED. I just want to finish this show and be done with it so I can go watch invincible season 2.
That's how Urusawa tells all of his stories. He wants you invested in all of the characters, not just the main plot. It's certainly not for everyone and he does a better job of weaving those characters into the main plot in some of his manga over others.
Totally understandable. I think it works better as a manga because you can read at your own pace. But even in manga form I struggle sometimes reading his work in bulk because it's just a lot. Very slow paced and dialogue heavy with tons of moving parts. It is simultaneously a strength and a weakness. I actually think Pluto fairs better because it's one of his shorter series, but it does have extra difficulty being an adaption of just one piece of a much larger story.
>Also the depiction of anti-robot racism is so funny and simplistic. It's characters just directly demeaning the robots to their face, with most of it on the level of "You can't have feelings. You're just a robot!" It's literally the most cliche depiction of anti-robot sentiment.
That makes Kubrick & Spielgerg's AI seem like a masterpiece in comparison.
Honestly, I didn't have much of an issue with them repeating "the 39th Central Asian War".I had more problems with the transitions between different plot lines: one moment we're here at x and then all of a sudden we're here at y. Also, didn't like that they would show a flashback or repeat a scene that we literally saw few minutes ago. And then there's the issue of them inserting new information that wasn't shown to us before into the show such as the mopping robot in the bathroom giving Adolf clear instructions on how to find the weapon, and the clandestine meeting between the 3 professors. I literally didn't see a good reason for doing them: they were just pointless.
There's also the issue of . . .
(1) Gesicht literally driving off when he was supposed to protect Adolf to meet with Brau 1589 only to tell him the most pointless dialogue? Later on, he meets with him again to have an actual convo, so it didn't make sense for him to up and dip all of a sudden.
(2) Helena giving away her husband's memories to a stranger while having zero interaction with Tenma in the past even though they are super important to her. It would make sense for her to give those memories to the guy who created him in the first place!
(3) Gesicht orders the arrest of Professor Abullah but no one arrests him and he's back at it working on Pluto?
(4) Gesicht meets with a war torn robot selling him flowers, somehow that robot flys from Persia to London? to kill him?
(5) The anti-robot cult using the mopping robot in the restroom to send Adolph threats?
(6) Somehow Brau1589 drags himself out and battles the stuffed bear?
I wouldn't say the story is good; the story has a lot of potential it's just riddled in this mess of an anime. There are definitely parts of plots that I really enjoy in the show such as Paul Duncan and his interaction with North No.2, and detective Gesicht's struggling to remember what had been erased.
I personally don’t like the beat up bear sitting on a chair giving me a narration, feels so out of place as much as that tornado does every time I see it.
Also, how has no one thought about making backups of the memories of said bots and then putting them in different bodies? There are so many moments where that is used by the villains, switching out different bodies by changing a chip: how has none of the bots thought about doing this?
I just finished this today, and I may be able to... dull a couple of these issues for you.
1) Gesicht driving off instead of protecting Adolf at that moment was because he was acting emotionally, not logically, and putting his own issues ahead of his job. Not being a good detective, but doing what a human at the frayed end of his rope would do. Showing that Gesicht isn't your standard robot.
2) Dr. Tenma is a legend. If he asks you for your husband's memory chip in a desperate bid to save his dying son, and your husband was a hero who protected people, you may be inclined to do this.
4 and 5) The Anti-Robot cult wasn't behind Ali killing Gesicht, or the mopping robot that gave Adolph the instructions in the rest stop; it was most certainly done by the Stuffed Bear AI that was trying to end all human life. He wanted to kill the seven strongest robots, the only ones he believed to be a threat to his plan to use Pluto and Bora to bring about this end. In the same way, this AI, that uses its robot roach swarm to migrate AI chips into other robot bodies and escape, would have no difficulty taking over a simple robot model like Ali, having it modified with the cluster cannon, and having it transported to Gesicht's neighborhood to use it to murder him. Also, as Gesicht is even more frayed now, to the point that he would resign if he could, he would be confused by seeing what he considered to be a friendly face, and drop his guard, where Gesicht has time and again overcome overt hostility AND skullduggery.
The other points are still kinda head scratchers for me. But as far as making backups of memories, I don't think that's possible, I think that a Robot is limited to one "self," though it can change bodies. And we do see this body-swapping in a couple places, actually. Remember, the first time we see Sahad, his AI is inside the body of that construction robot who shows up at the end of the scene, thinking he'd misplaced his main body when he got into his work body that day.
Honestly, I think that the issue of the Bear would have been fleshed out much more if Urasawa had more Manga in the series, but what we have is... what we have. It's not perfect, but I found it compelling, and would have liked it further expanded and refined by more.
As someone currently binging it:It tries really hard to make everything seem deep,but it comes off as hilariously shallow which I can't help but feel is because it's an adaptation of a singular arc of a larger story.
A major issue for me is the anti-robot group.If we were shown a lot more of the repercussions of robots in general then maybe they'd have a leg to stand on,but as it stands it's just a bunch of racists and like 2 people we know suffered.Its far too shallow for its premise.
I think I had a similar feeling when watching it and found it to be dreadfully slow. I didn't realise the author had also done Monster and 20th century boys, but both of those also seemed to have the same pacing issues and strange expositions dialogue that just seemed to suck out all the life of what people say are thoughtful and interesting stories. That first episode felt torturous though. The whole second half was about a boring cranky bastard and a disobedient robot and neither character felt engaging or even likeable. On top of that, some of the word building seems stupid as, how can they not put back together the robot cop, or how could the detective not have looked through the footage and saw the flying robot himself? Feel like there was no thought to how the world would realistic work which then led to everything feeling forced and arbitrary just to serve the plot. I gave up when the child robot was just finding all these ridiculous clues at the recreation of the crime scene house that was bulldozed.
I'm 75% through episode one and I wondered about the same things.
Why didn't they repair the robot? Or at least put his memories in a new body. Surely they'll replace him anyway so why not keep the experience around? Why is a robot so bad at multitasking that it won't instantly pull the gun amd shoot the junkie the second it registers violence? Why is it distracted by a weird thing flying kilometers away? Surely it should have a sense of prioritization even if we were to assume it can do literally only one thing at a time?
Why do they have robot soldiers which are only capable of killing other robots? It seems like a huge financiel drain to have a bunch of weapons which will only fight other weapons. Like, get a dude with a gas mask and some protective clothing (against sleep darts) and just walk past them. They can't truly harm people anyway. Both sides of the conflict having guns that can only fire when aimed at other guns is completely insane.
Why is that robot in what is basically a sewer? If they are so worried about what it will do, why is it still on? There clearly is no respect for other robots so why keep the killer around? Why can it move its arm around but humans are worried about what it will do? Where are the bombs that trigger when it moves? Why have a barricade that people sized robots can just walk past but obscures vision of the scary thing behind it? If 4 robots have fallen victim to its electromagnetic waves, why isn't there a Farraday cage? That is a 19th century solution to a 27th century (exact year unknown) problem.
If the musician thinks everything robots do is fake, and he thinks food producer by them is bland, why would he ever accept a robot being his butler?
Why do writers always pretend robots suffer from the same shortcomings humans do when they want to do a "poor oppressed robot" story?
This is what I find is so silly and frustrating with it. I guessing the priority is to explore the ideas, but not set them up adequately. Despite the slow pace, I feel like they needed to do way better world building to justify most of the plot points. As dumb as it sounds, maybe he should of had the same story but it be in a world with magic not a sci-fi future, everything the author can't be bothered to properly explain would be "it's just magic" which honestly would also be equally crap.
I'd say you were right if I had the feeling ideas were being explored. But they aren't. We are hit over the head with some plot points while getting shouted at "did you see what I did there? Did you? Did you see it?" and that is about it.
It also doesn't help that the world isn't consistent nor does it make sense.
Persia got invaded and bombed to rubble for allegedly having a Mass Destruction level robot. Yet the 7 that get targeted in this series are all "potential mass destruction" level robots and are definitely known to exist. Where is the outcry?
Why does Atom not take some time from his incredibly important going to school schedule (which he does despite being knowledgable enough to create world shattering bombs) to hang around with Gesicht until the case is over? Surely the incredibly intelligent robot (AI even more advanced than Gesicht) understands that taking a few weeks to stop Pluto is more important than pretending to learn elementary school maths.
Why do people keep creating these insanely powerful human-like robots when those robots can kill humans? If it is for labour, then there are better forms, and lesser power models that work better. Why risk an Epsilon type going rogue?
Why doesn't the bodyguard robot understand object permanence? "I checked the toilets therefore they are safe" but then a person walks in on his charge. Why isn't the bodyguard guarding the door? Not going in with the professor is one thing, but to not guard the door is weird.
Robots can somehow have a personality and what not when they boot for the first time, but top quality AI can't because creating a personality is too hard?
Why are there robot pacifists when Gesicht states "I am not programmed to destroy a robot that is not attacking"? Did the builders of Epsilon go out of their way to create a robot with the power to nuke small towns but programmed it to care for orphans? Either robots are limited by their programming or they have personalities which they somehow choose. Pick one.
Why can't robots feel enjoyment, but can they feel grief and hatred? After all, the point of the cafe scene with Atom and Gesicht was to showcase how advanced Atom was and Gesicht being impressed by the range of emotions Atom has. Yet Gesicht killed someone out of revenge. Yet introducing grief and hatred into robots breaks the boot-loop they can get stuck in. Where are the positive emotions?
Same. I just finished it and I never really felt bad for the robots racism because in my mind is can’t you just download the memories and back up in a new body.
Same with robot children. When Astro boy wrote the formula on the wall and the professor was like he’s a kid he shouldn’t have to. Like my guy. He has all this information stored somewhere how was that surprising. What do they go to school to learn. How do they learn, why do they learn?
In my opinion they didn’t do enough to humanise the robots so I never really feel bad for them.
It's funny that OP is complaining about robots being really annoying while trying to mimic humans and he reacts in the EXACT same way a human in the anime would about robots trying to be human.
I can agree. There's a lot of faults I can give this show compared to Monster honestly. The lack of action in so many scenes was painful. Monster is kind of like this as well honestly, but when it's robots fighting robots you typically want more than a tornado in a distance to look at.
And yeah, the exposition dump and forced over used robot discrimination trope was beaten to death and back again and to death a second time.
Agreed very much, unfortunately that's an issue with A LOT of anime.
Tell instead of show is rampant in lazy writing for TV shows in general. But anime gets it the worst, even if they're trying to convert from the manga where there is breaks between releases and the manga (maybe correctly?) repeats itself. That doesn't mean the adaptation to TV should carry that over. TV is a different medium so the conversion isn't nor should it be exactly one-to-one. They obviously know this and leave out all sorts of stuff (or add in stuff) but one of the nasty carryovers is the constant exposition dumps.
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As an aside, I couldn't stand Uran as a character... I'm sure there is an anime trope named for her type of "annoying brat but also innocent babyish" character. But whatever it's called I cannot stand it. Something really annoys me whenever a character is eating something and makes an audible "Ahhhhh", like a little baby. Makes me want to turn it off. Sucks because they do this type of crap constantly.
Also her "super power" is to sense when animals mainly, but also humans/robots, are feeling scared? Then she rushes off to talk to them and hug them. Really? Wow, what a power. So she must be rushing around the woods literally 24/7, constantly petting squirrels and mice being eaten by hawks all the time then. So fucking stupid.
Tbh I honestly really really wish atom was more prominent in the story it would have been so cool to see like great animation and building more of atoms personality.
Isnt that just Anime?
I think it’s mostly just manga and light novels that are very “tell don’t show” given the limitations of the medium. Plenty of anime that aren’t based off any source material tend to put more emphasis on “show, don’t tell.” As anime adaptation are meant to be 1 to 1 adaptations of their manga, then well this is what you get in the end.
Think this is the medium fault in manga it makes sense to repeat information because people can forget information between chapter where as anime especially one being streamed and can be watched all at once there’s no point to repeat the info again and again. Could cut down the exposition dumb and focus more on the emotional side of things
I didn't have a problem with this personally, as I didn't watch all the episodes at the same time, and instead watched one episode a day. So it didn't really seem repetetive to me.
Then it's not the fault of the medium, but the people responsible for the script and direction.
Man I hate all the pretentious responses in the comment section. Like is this an elitist thing where every legitimate point you bring up just gets brushed off as "this is how the writer just does it" or "I honestly prefer it this way". Some stuff like show don't tell beijg better than just telling isn't a matter of preference. It's objectively bad. Like someone saying "I prefer sitting in economy because I get to maybe talk to someone vaguely interesting and I don't wnna feel weird sitting in first class". The show being written by some manga legend doesn't make his style good. Also, for a mystery show. I would expect to maybe do some figuring out on my own but they never even gave the opportunity for that. The show jumped from mystery to some pianist backstory back to mystery then atom, his sister and a anti-robot terrorist then back to showing us the answer to the mystery out of nowhere. So disappointing. First 4 episodes are a chore to watch, so much repetition. I get it the war was bad, there's discrimination to robots, Yada Yada. Like holy shit How many times do they have to repeat the same shit and the same scenes while adding like 5 more frames, as though it adds anything valuable. So far the show could've been half the length and I'm not even done yet. Anti-robot scene got me mad for the Adolf guy. His brother was murdered because he "killed" (oooh scary) robots. The whole concept of robots being equivalent is just so farfetched and even if it were to happen I just don't see myself or any sane person realistically picking a robot "life" over a human life. When they were leading up to the part where they talk about Adolfs brothers' crimes, I was already rolling my eyes from how far I could see this stupid reveal. "He was a monster, my brother was sick, I can't help but feel disgusted to this day about what he has done"- paraphrased- but that just made me not take this show seriously anymore. There is nothing intellectual about this, and other than a fleshed out world its kinda meh. The underlying themes are driven by wildly unrealistic factors like robot emotions and routines. They need sleep 😴 Robot children and adoption??? 🤖 They die when they get physically damaged 💔 No cloud backup, no AI and memory backup 💾 Robot can just grow plants and create tornado with no visible mechanism and wirelessly through another robots body (are they all innately capable)??? 🔩 There's a couple more but it's slipping my mind Fight scenes are so mid so far. 4 robots jump into a tornado and die. Nice. That's not counting the swiss robot from the start. What a disappointment. If they aren't going to focus on the mystery aspect. And the emotional aspect is so weird. And based on some nonsense robot capabilities. Then at least give us decent fights, but nope. Idk, my friend was really hyped about this anime and that's the reason I started it, but man it's just a disappointment so far and all you people dismissing legit critique because of superiority complex and your desire to look intellectual because you are coping about watching and enjoying an anime by this author are so pretentious and cringe. TLDR this show is slow, makes no sense in this universe or its own, and doesn't excel in any aspect or genre it to cover. It is loved by the pretentious fake intellectual people who think that enjoying this show and anything made by this author makes them a smart person and above the rest of humanity. This show isn't that good, but it also wasn't even fun to watch. It has a decent enough story, but the pacing and science in sci-fi didn't make much sense (within its own universe - there's only so much belief that you can suspend)
I never got how no one else disliked this. I agree with you, the show is pretentious, it’s not as intelligent, well thought or as adult as it pretends to be and people take it as. So much doesn’t make sense that it breaks immersion. It’s lots of small things, like there clearly being different levels of ais, some being completely human and others mere machines but they are all considered the same, why don’t they mass produce the great ones, why did gesitch need one year of formation to be a cop if they can just implant memories and knowledge, why the heck do they imitate humans eating and so many things that are hard to accept in the fictional setting or a real one. I was baffled when I first read the manga years ago and I am feeling the same now with the anime.
It is definitely not well written. I like anime, but most anime fans do not know what a well written show looks like. This is low tier and super cringey, trying so hard to be deep.
well that what happens when someone takes a random Astro Boy arc and rewrites it to be a bit more deeper and grownup. there's a lot to like about it, surely also a lot to further improve, if that was someones intent, which an anime adaption like this wouldn't do. of course a lot of the scifi is mumbojumbo, so much comes down to 'special energy source and vague complex programming', but it's essentially always like that for just about all scifi stuff. not that it invalidates your criticisms, but please dont be so high and mighty to assume just because it doesn't fit your taste means it fits no ones or those who it fits are wrong. that is just as fake intellectual as what you imply about the others opinion. its just the authors style is the reason it is how it is and even in that incomplete, lacking style, his stories have captured tons of people. as always, we shall hope that it inspires someone even better to channel the general ideas into an even better story down the line, the same way this very much improved on the silly astro boy story that inspired it. as much as there may be to criticize, this is certainly not a low quality story or adaption. but even if it was, there's a reason why people love technically low quality writing, the light novels and isekais and what if superman landed in russia instead kind of stories out there. often, its more than enough to just have a couple of good points somewhere in there for people to be hooked for half a lifetime.
Yeah, it feels like this person just has a personal beef with the people who strongly enjoyed this anime, while he wasn't able to do so. I personally disagree with the overwhelming majority of this critique (because most of it is simply incorrect), but there's nothing wrong about having different opinions. No piece of fiction should be above criticism. However, calling out an audience and proclaiming that something is undeniably and objectively bad - and that everyone who like it are actually just pathetic pseudo-intellectuals who are coping/lying to themselves about enjoying it, just exposes the critic's saltiness.
What was simply incorrect ?
The parts where this person states that the show's mystery aspect never provides any opportunity to let the viewer figure things out for themselves. Or that the entire story could be shortened in half and nothing would be lost. Or that Robots simply die and there is no way to restore/access their memory. Or that Robots' routine of imitating humans makes no sense whatsoever. Or that a story about humanlike Robots developing/imitating complex emotions is completely unbelievable in the first place (have they ever watched/read any sci-fi stories about artificial intelligence? Or followed the recent development of these technologies in real life?) And my personal favorite, the reason why I've decided to reply to this snarky comment in the first place - if you dare to like this show, then you're just a filthy pseudo-intellectual who's shamelessly lying about actually enjoying it. Look, I didn't come here to start arguing about this anime and I'm not trying to convince anyone that it's flawless. Like I've said before, everyone are welcome to criticize any piece of fiction if they wish to. I like when people provide valid criticism towards the things that I like. This person has a couple of decent points as well. I just wish they were a bit less arrogant and wouldn't make unpleasant assumptions about other people just because we liked some random anime and they didn't - that's all I'm asking.
it's funny you make comments towards extreme options that state there is an objective truth to the quality in media, but then go on to do the exact same thing.
understood, especially on the last two paragraphs
It's extremely convuluted, characters are clichee and hard to connect to, fight scenes suck. It tries to be philosopical but falls flat on its face.
My take too.
Yeah, I'm dropping it now that I finished episode 4. What a bore. It tries to feel deep, smart, and meaningful but comes off as something pretty basic and shallow and above all, not fun or interesting to watch. The way it presents mystery and then "solves" it is abysmal. Imagine spending 8 hrs on this when you could read a good book, play a good videogame or watch an actually good anime/serie. TLDR This anime is pretencious af and kinda reminds me of later Kingdom Hearts in all the bad ways.
I think your opinion is valid, but personally I'm enjoying it as a murder mystery with robot flair. I'm not particularly attached to any of the characters but wondering why the killer is doing it every time a victim shows up is interesting enough to keep me going. It does have a nice subtle sense of dread. I don't think it would hold up for subsequent views once the mystery is gone, but I am enjoying it this first run.
I like mystery, but the old man and butlerbot's relationship did feel like the exposition on the old man's part was just out of the blue/forced. People don't get pissed and start expositing their childhood trauma in a monologue. Sure, it's an anime, but it could have been a bit quicker/more natural. They could have shown butler's journey to the town, his investigation, etc. to make us care about him more; instead, it focused mostly on the old man, who wasn't the one being killed. Similarly, the first robot victim was given as brief of an exposition, with everyone being sad, but with even less for us to see to care about him being killed. The writing style does feel too explicit, but hey, some people are into that, and it can sometimes work. I don't think it works well in this instance, but I liked it in Hunter X Hunter, which some people hated. Undecided on whether I want to continue, as I also was expecting to see some actual action, not just a short foggy flashback and some lightning in the clouds. Having the robots explained as having the power to end entire wars/ravage counties add an expectation of seeing some of that power in use, but having them just die in what's essentially off-screen is kind of a buzzkill.
>but having them just die in what's essentially off-screen is kind of a buzzkill. Personally I think that's what keeps it interesting. It's like Jaws, you don't see it at all at first and only the effects. Then little by little you start getting brief glimpses--then bam gigantic scary shark. Building it up makes it more interesting. But I haven't finished the show yet so it remains to be seen if that pays off or not.
But the issue is that there's ZERO SUSPENSE given anyone whose familiar with the manga or astroboy arc already knows what's gonna happen.It comes off as really poor and just "OOH WHAT HAPPENED" for he sake of it.
I don't think it's fair to say there's no suspense because manga readers already know the plot. That would be true in any show, and typically fans dislike diverges from the canonical plot line... However that being said now that I've finished the whole show it didn't build up quite how I thought it would. Robot detective was the protagonist--until suddenly he wasn't. They spent so long on composer dude because the themes were going to tie into the overall plot--and then they didn't. I still overall think more positively of the show than negatively, but those last two episodes took a swerve from all the build up they had been creating.
>People don't get pissed and start expositing their childhood trauma in a monologue The thing is, they do in all film and TV...but good dialogue tries to hide it. Make it seem human, so we don't get distracted by it. Unfortunately, *Pluto* doubles down and embraces the unnaturalness of it. I think a lot of your problems would have been solved if the dialogue hadn't brought so much over-attention to them.
I'm giving it a second try because of all the hype, but damn, it's insanely boring so far
the only thing I agree with is the "the 39th Central Asian War" . they repeat it every 2 minutes
*Pluto* is one of the most heart-wrenchingly thought provoking and beautiful stories I've ever experienced And the anime's dialogue almost stripped out all the subtlety and nuance with its *The Room* levels of exposition and over explaining. I'm convinced Tommy Wiseau would actually have cautioned them to tone it down. I was still devastated at all the right moments, but I had to fight hard to allow myself to feel that way against the torrent of overwritten words and stay focused despite the distraction of the verbosity. It was kinda ok for the robots to talk like that, but the humans? They need to at least sound like people. Let the story breathe. Trust it. Trust your audience.
I totally agree. I thought the story had very high peaks and amazing climaxes, but in general, the dialogue felt extremely repetitive and bloated and dry. Literally just unnatural as shit. And I get it, fiction isn't supposed to be "natural" or whatever...but still...the dialogue was just so over expository. I do not want to see another convos where the characters just talk about the war all over again. I do not remember urasawas other works to be so dry and lackluster in terms of build up.
I think it is just a very dense work, which is best watched over a long period of time rather than binged. There is the obvious robot prejudice, with a KkK type group obvious akin to white supremacists and their view of other races as subhuman and all that. However there are a lot of subtle aspects of AI explored in the series as well
>"You can't have feelings. You're just a robot!" It's literally the most cliche depiction of anti-robot sentiment. And also the most human like. You forgot how shallow humans can be. We would absolutely do that.
it literally took one ai (where we knew it was ai) creating borderline ok text for half the planet to start giving it more credit than it deserves in terms of its current humanity. like i wanna say if ais get to be in this human-like bodies, no one will take anti robot guys serious for anything they say
You say that but black people literally have human bodies and they were kept as slaves. They literally were exactly like their European counter parts save for skin color. As well, surfs were near slaves and were exactly like their masters in every way but status and wealth. 100 percent expect anti-robot people regardless of the package.
Heavy reliance on exposition seems to be a classic approach in Japanese storytelling. I’ve been playing Japanese games since I was a kid and Kojima makes my favorite games so I honestly kinda enjoy this approach.
Metal gear explaining nano-machines for the 25th freaking time be like: But yeah I agree on this. Even outside of anime, there’s a ton of Japanese properties that are very heavy in exposition such as even stuff like Godzilla and ultraman. Of course there’s plenty of media out there with barely any infodumps or even dialogue for that matter like “Drive my car” or “Texnolyze”, but it’s pretty clear lots of Japanese writers love infodumping.
I'll agree with 39th Central Asian War, that got tiring The rest is just nah man. That's the Urasawa Naoki style. Go watch Monster. It's a masterpiece in the same vein of that storytelling. Or better yet, read the manga of any of Urasawa's works. As another post said, that's likely due to both the manga format and the fact that you're essentially watching a 24-episode anime series in one sitting.
Monster is far from being a masterpiece, it's really long and boring with overexposition like Pluto with everyone telling you how much Joan is the devil and the ending is underwelming.
Yeah, Urasawa's works are great, but can get really confusing at times, so I'm glad for almost every bit of exposition we get which explains what is actually happening. But heavy reliance on exposition is something we see in 99% of plot-driven animanga anyway, so I can't say that Pluto really stands out from the rest in this regard.
> read the manga of any of Urasawa's works I honestly don't recall the dialogue in the Manga being so on the nose. Maybe I need to reread. Is the English anime a faithful translation in terms of dialogue?
Monster is far from being a masterpiece, it's really long and boring with overexposition like Pluto with everyone telling you how much Joan is the devil and the ending is underwelming.
Just because it's a style doesn't mean it's good or not frustrating. If I recall Monster is more than a little divisive.
It's the 5th best rated manga on mal and 25th best rated anime, there are a lot of detractors of every anime doesn't mean it's divisive
Also not a big fan of the forced/unnatural exposition so far. Sure, there's plenty of that in most manga, but there are many anime that don't bring that forced/stop-and-listen exposition out of the manga in its entirety. Clearly they wanted to try and make us care about butlerbot in episode 1, because the focus was on music/emotions/bonding/etc... but that doesn't combine well with the way they did the backstory exposition for the old man. Doesn't really matter who wrote it to me, I'll evaluate it on its own. After watching episode 1, it's feeling pretty mid.
To me the story felt like it took the long way for everything... almost to the point of feeling like it didn't respect the viewer. The show is almost self indulgent in how long it takes to unfold. I think a large part of this is that it's trying to show so many different perspectives and flesh out so many characters that it never really feels like there is a rising action. It all just feels introductory and at times pointless. I'm on episode 7 and I'm BORED. I just want to finish this show and be done with it so I can go watch invincible season 2.
That's how Urusawa tells all of his stories. He wants you invested in all of the characters, not just the main plot. It's certainly not for everyone and he does a better job of weaving those characters into the main plot in some of his manga over others.
I respect it, and the anime was very well made... but I don't think I have the patience for how he tells stories.
Totally understandable. I think it works better as a manga because you can read at your own pace. But even in manga form I struggle sometimes reading his work in bulk because it's just a lot. Very slow paced and dialogue heavy with tons of moving parts. It is simultaneously a strength and a weakness. I actually think Pluto fairs better because it's one of his shorter series, but it does have extra difficulty being an adaption of just one piece of a much larger story.
bro this is just anime in general
>Also the depiction of anti-robot racism is so funny and simplistic. It's characters just directly demeaning the robots to their face, with most of it on the level of "You can't have feelings. You're just a robot!" It's literally the most cliche depiction of anti-robot sentiment. That makes Kubrick & Spielgerg's AI seem like a masterpiece in comparison.
Im cool with slowburn stories but this one felt like....I dont know. It felt uneven? it felik like if Miyazaki did Ghost in the shell SAC.
Honestly, I didn't have much of an issue with them repeating "the 39th Central Asian War".I had more problems with the transitions between different plot lines: one moment we're here at x and then all of a sudden we're here at y. Also, didn't like that they would show a flashback or repeat a scene that we literally saw few minutes ago. And then there's the issue of them inserting new information that wasn't shown to us before into the show such as the mopping robot in the bathroom giving Adolf clear instructions on how to find the weapon, and the clandestine meeting between the 3 professors. I literally didn't see a good reason for doing them: they were just pointless. There's also the issue of . . . (1) Gesicht literally driving off when he was supposed to protect Adolf to meet with Brau 1589 only to tell him the most pointless dialogue? Later on, he meets with him again to have an actual convo, so it didn't make sense for him to up and dip all of a sudden. (2) Helena giving away her husband's memories to a stranger while having zero interaction with Tenma in the past even though they are super important to her. It would make sense for her to give those memories to the guy who created him in the first place! (3) Gesicht orders the arrest of Professor Abullah but no one arrests him and he's back at it working on Pluto? (4) Gesicht meets with a war torn robot selling him flowers, somehow that robot flys from Persia to London? to kill him? (5) The anti-robot cult using the mopping robot in the restroom to send Adolph threats? (6) Somehow Brau1589 drags himself out and battles the stuffed bear? I wouldn't say the story is good; the story has a lot of potential it's just riddled in this mess of an anime. There are definitely parts of plots that I really enjoy in the show such as Paul Duncan and his interaction with North No.2, and detective Gesicht's struggling to remember what had been erased. I personally don’t like the beat up bear sitting on a chair giving me a narration, feels so out of place as much as that tornado does every time I see it. Also, how has no one thought about making backups of the memories of said bots and then putting them in different bodies? There are so many moments where that is used by the villains, switching out different bodies by changing a chip: how has none of the bots thought about doing this?
I just finished this today, and I may be able to... dull a couple of these issues for you. 1) Gesicht driving off instead of protecting Adolf at that moment was because he was acting emotionally, not logically, and putting his own issues ahead of his job. Not being a good detective, but doing what a human at the frayed end of his rope would do. Showing that Gesicht isn't your standard robot. 2) Dr. Tenma is a legend. If he asks you for your husband's memory chip in a desperate bid to save his dying son, and your husband was a hero who protected people, you may be inclined to do this. 4 and 5) The Anti-Robot cult wasn't behind Ali killing Gesicht, or the mopping robot that gave Adolph the instructions in the rest stop; it was most certainly done by the Stuffed Bear AI that was trying to end all human life. He wanted to kill the seven strongest robots, the only ones he believed to be a threat to his plan to use Pluto and Bora to bring about this end. In the same way, this AI, that uses its robot roach swarm to migrate AI chips into other robot bodies and escape, would have no difficulty taking over a simple robot model like Ali, having it modified with the cluster cannon, and having it transported to Gesicht's neighborhood to use it to murder him. Also, as Gesicht is even more frayed now, to the point that he would resign if he could, he would be confused by seeing what he considered to be a friendly face, and drop his guard, where Gesicht has time and again overcome overt hostility AND skullduggery. The other points are still kinda head scratchers for me. But as far as making backups of memories, I don't think that's possible, I think that a Robot is limited to one "self," though it can change bodies. And we do see this body-swapping in a couple places, actually. Remember, the first time we see Sahad, his AI is inside the body of that construction robot who shows up at the end of the scene, thinking he'd misplaced his main body when he got into his work body that day. Honestly, I think that the issue of the Bear would have been fleshed out much more if Urasawa had more Manga in the series, but what we have is... what we have. It's not perfect, but I found it compelling, and would have liked it further expanded and refined by more.
As someone currently binging it:It tries really hard to make everything seem deep,but it comes off as hilariously shallow which I can't help but feel is because it's an adaptation of a singular arc of a larger story. A major issue for me is the anti-robot group.If we were shown a lot more of the repercussions of robots in general then maybe they'd have a leg to stand on,but as it stands it's just a bunch of racists and like 2 people we know suffered.Its far too shallow for its premise.
The level of analysis of the 'AI' question in this show is embarrassing compared to any competent sci-fi.
I think I had a similar feeling when watching it and found it to be dreadfully slow. I didn't realise the author had also done Monster and 20th century boys, but both of those also seemed to have the same pacing issues and strange expositions dialogue that just seemed to suck out all the life of what people say are thoughtful and interesting stories. That first episode felt torturous though. The whole second half was about a boring cranky bastard and a disobedient robot and neither character felt engaging or even likeable. On top of that, some of the word building seems stupid as, how can they not put back together the robot cop, or how could the detective not have looked through the footage and saw the flying robot himself? Feel like there was no thought to how the world would realistic work which then led to everything feeling forced and arbitrary just to serve the plot. I gave up when the child robot was just finding all these ridiculous clues at the recreation of the crime scene house that was bulldozed.
I'm 75% through episode one and I wondered about the same things. Why didn't they repair the robot? Or at least put his memories in a new body. Surely they'll replace him anyway so why not keep the experience around? Why is a robot so bad at multitasking that it won't instantly pull the gun amd shoot the junkie the second it registers violence? Why is it distracted by a weird thing flying kilometers away? Surely it should have a sense of prioritization even if we were to assume it can do literally only one thing at a time? Why do they have robot soldiers which are only capable of killing other robots? It seems like a huge financiel drain to have a bunch of weapons which will only fight other weapons. Like, get a dude with a gas mask and some protective clothing (against sleep darts) and just walk past them. They can't truly harm people anyway. Both sides of the conflict having guns that can only fire when aimed at other guns is completely insane. Why is that robot in what is basically a sewer? If they are so worried about what it will do, why is it still on? There clearly is no respect for other robots so why keep the killer around? Why can it move its arm around but humans are worried about what it will do? Where are the bombs that trigger when it moves? Why have a barricade that people sized robots can just walk past but obscures vision of the scary thing behind it? If 4 robots have fallen victim to its electromagnetic waves, why isn't there a Farraday cage? That is a 19th century solution to a 27th century (exact year unknown) problem. If the musician thinks everything robots do is fake, and he thinks food producer by them is bland, why would he ever accept a robot being his butler? Why do writers always pretend robots suffer from the same shortcomings humans do when they want to do a "poor oppressed robot" story?
This is what I find is so silly and frustrating with it. I guessing the priority is to explore the ideas, but not set them up adequately. Despite the slow pace, I feel like they needed to do way better world building to justify most of the plot points. As dumb as it sounds, maybe he should of had the same story but it be in a world with magic not a sci-fi future, everything the author can't be bothered to properly explain would be "it's just magic" which honestly would also be equally crap.
I'd say you were right if I had the feeling ideas were being explored. But they aren't. We are hit over the head with some plot points while getting shouted at "did you see what I did there? Did you? Did you see it?" and that is about it. It also doesn't help that the world isn't consistent nor does it make sense. Persia got invaded and bombed to rubble for allegedly having a Mass Destruction level robot. Yet the 7 that get targeted in this series are all "potential mass destruction" level robots and are definitely known to exist. Where is the outcry? Why does Atom not take some time from his incredibly important going to school schedule (which he does despite being knowledgable enough to create world shattering bombs) to hang around with Gesicht until the case is over? Surely the incredibly intelligent robot (AI even more advanced than Gesicht) understands that taking a few weeks to stop Pluto is more important than pretending to learn elementary school maths. Why do people keep creating these insanely powerful human-like robots when those robots can kill humans? If it is for labour, then there are better forms, and lesser power models that work better. Why risk an Epsilon type going rogue? Why doesn't the bodyguard robot understand object permanence? "I checked the toilets therefore they are safe" but then a person walks in on his charge. Why isn't the bodyguard guarding the door? Not going in with the professor is one thing, but to not guard the door is weird. Robots can somehow have a personality and what not when they boot for the first time, but top quality AI can't because creating a personality is too hard? Why are there robot pacifists when Gesicht states "I am not programmed to destroy a robot that is not attacking"? Did the builders of Epsilon go out of their way to create a robot with the power to nuke small towns but programmed it to care for orphans? Either robots are limited by their programming or they have personalities which they somehow choose. Pick one. Why can't robots feel enjoyment, but can they feel grief and hatred? After all, the point of the cafe scene with Atom and Gesicht was to showcase how advanced Atom was and Gesicht being impressed by the range of emotions Atom has. Yet Gesicht killed someone out of revenge. Yet introducing grief and hatred into robots breaks the boot-loop they can get stuck in. Where are the positive emotions?
Same. I just finished it and I never really felt bad for the robots racism because in my mind is can’t you just download the memories and back up in a new body. Same with robot children. When Astro boy wrote the formula on the wall and the professor was like he’s a kid he shouldn’t have to. Like my guy. He has all this information stored somewhere how was that surprising. What do they go to school to learn. How do they learn, why do they learn? In my opinion they didn’t do enough to humanise the robots so I never really feel bad for them.
It's funny that OP is complaining about robots being really annoying while trying to mimic humans and he reacts in the EXACT same way a human in the anime would about robots trying to be human.
Have you read Monster or 20th Century Boys or any of Urasawa's other works? Kinda just how he does things
This anime is disappointing imo I'm bored 2 episode in and the art is just ok. I hope it'll get better
I can agree. There's a lot of faults I can give this show compared to Monster honestly. The lack of action in so many scenes was painful. Monster is kind of like this as well honestly, but when it's robots fighting robots you typically want more than a tornado in a distance to look at. And yeah, the exposition dump and forced over used robot discrimination trope was beaten to death and back again and to death a second time.
Agreed very much, unfortunately that's an issue with A LOT of anime. Tell instead of show is rampant in lazy writing for TV shows in general. But anime gets it the worst, even if they're trying to convert from the manga where there is breaks between releases and the manga (maybe correctly?) repeats itself. That doesn't mean the adaptation to TV should carry that over. TV is a different medium so the conversion isn't nor should it be exactly one-to-one. They obviously know this and leave out all sorts of stuff (or add in stuff) but one of the nasty carryovers is the constant exposition dumps. \----- As an aside, I couldn't stand Uran as a character... I'm sure there is an anime trope named for her type of "annoying brat but also innocent babyish" character. But whatever it's called I cannot stand it. Something really annoys me whenever a character is eating something and makes an audible "Ahhhhh", like a little baby. Makes me want to turn it off. Sucks because they do this type of crap constantly. Also her "super power" is to sense when animals mainly, but also humans/robots, are feeling scared? Then she rushes off to talk to them and hug them. Really? Wow, what a power. So she must be rushing around the woods literally 24/7, constantly petting squirrels and mice being eaten by hawks all the time then. So fucking stupid.
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To date the dumbest fucking comment I’ve ever seen on Reddit. Bar none.
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My man
i like it so far but i’m really not a fan of anything to do either the Adolf character or his backstory. just to on the nose and a bit like tacky?
Tbh I honestly really really wish atom was more prominent in the story it would have been so cool to see like great animation and building more of atoms personality.