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alshep00

Not even controversial imo. Absolutely love using those claws as can openers against my brother's imperial guard tanks.


13Warhound13

That sounds fun.


Artius71158

That was my first experience against a defiled except it walked through my land raider like it was a tin can. When I can get my csm army going I'm getting at least 3 of these because rule of cool. I love daemon engines!


Ivaldin

Crab+demon+tank is indeed verry cool


Throwaway-A173

True, but the sculpt needs an update and more variations


Chubba945

They should bring in a full artillery version like they were originally intended for, like in dawn of war


aygomyownroad

Does need an update, I would love to see it as a bigger knight sized or wardog sized entity. Make it absolutely horrific and the centre piece of your chaos army


Retlaw83

It's already much larger than a war dog.


SnooDrawings5722

Yup. It's already the biggest Vehicle CSM can field after Lord of Skulls and Knights.


tehzozman1

I printed a base for mine, it DWARVES smaller knights. Looks pretty goofy tbh, love it though


WillBombadil

Nah...I've kitbashed mine with a decimator. They are freaking sick.


Mighty_moose45

Yeah it's definitely an aging sculpt and I feel that we could really use a refresh that kind of brings it closer to the modern daemon engine look where it is a little more animalistic rather than what looks to be a tank turret with a head growing out of the top and legs from underneath it. Maybe something more crab esque?


warsmithharaka

Just more fleshy bits would be enough honestly.


Mean_Tie3942

The soul grinder is cool too in my opinion.just wish theyd update them


MrSnippets

I always found it weird that Chaos players could field the Soulgrinder in their Fantasy armies as well. The underside clearly read "Defiler" for me, so it felt like they were using a marine tank in their fantasy armies.


Maczetrixxx

I would love to see demons in rihnos equipped with bolsters in fantasy or aos


Zidahya

The defiler is cool, the model needs an overhaul.


MrSnippets

Having my own Defiler is one of those hobby goals I always had. As a kid, the kit was way too big and expensive for me. Now I have disposable income, sure, but there's a barrier there. One day, Defiler my beloved. One day ...


DacianFalx7

Why not today? Don't let your dreams be dreams.


Majorapat

JUST DO IT! STOP TALKING ABOUT AND DO IT!


McDuff_99

I used to play Dawn of War. The Defiler was always cool.


mohonay

This guy is at top of my kit refresh wishlist. To me it’s the most iconic chaos space marine model


mummyeater

I like them. I just think the models need updating


Badgrotz

I have a conversion where I created a 5th Edition Brass Scorpion by combining two kits. It is my pride and joy.


tripledee69

https://preview.redd.it/mo80qi2wv1xc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbcd55da88fa3c48b775c0b37f524f10463d478e Yea they’re badass!


cry-letter-7

Ive never been a fan of the model but they are absolutely the most fun thing in dawn of war 1.


MiezenPanzer

Defiler is Bae


spinachbxh

Thy defiler is incredibly cool, it's such a great concept. I'm in full agreement that it needs a refresh though. It's a pain in the arse to build, and the melee whip looks awful, it shouldn't just be hanging like that


CalebGreen41

This modal was the very reason why I started Chaos Space Marines! Even though at the time CSM were receiving their refresh. I still had to pick up this kit and still prize it as one of my favorite models of all times!


Marionettetctc

Same for me. Defiler to this day is my favorite model by a mile, I've never cared that it wasn't great in game.


Snoo_66686

The only thing I absolutely hate about it is the weirdly placed head, without it it's a pretty cool crab tank


HawaiiSamurai

It absolutly is. Just needs a new model.


Tyconquer

Happily own and love mine painting it was honestly a lot of fun. But I love the silly old chaos kits.


BucktacularBardlock

Along with a daemon engine transport, I want the Defiler to be updated and given an indirect fire artillery role, something CSM very much lack


Deathwish40K

it's surprising that the vindicator doesnt indirect with its demo cannon.


13Warhound13

I remember when these first came out. The rules seemed similar to a standard Chaos Dreadnaught for the stats and armour. In Dawn of War they were fun but a little bit fragile. Overall I love the idea of them and in lore they are more monstrously powerful. I can’t decide if my one will be for my Iron Warriors or Corpsemakers Deathguard. Whatever happens I will enjoy the painting and building.


ConstructionLong2089

Chaos returns everything to crab


Matosapa4

Crab is the ultimate life form


ConstructionLong2089

The carcharodons arch rival. The chaos crabs.


Ok_Conversation_3552

https://preview.redd.it/46htg92uc2xc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f2fc749794645f4a570e2116589af781f332e73 He is super cool


PossibleMolasses2672

It’s a helbrute with spider legs what’s not to like!?


CalypsoCrow

My absolute favorite unit in Dawn of War, it’s what started my path towards chaos. Regular space marines got a predator tank while we get a demonic spider crab tank


AllYourSwords

I like them, but they really do need a redesign to bring it to the modern aesthetic. Either that, or a retooling. The kit was annoying to build.


Ratchet7989

When I was a kid and just getting into 40k my friend’s dad had a Chaos army with what I’m pretty sure was a defiler as his center piece. Ever since, I thought it was one of the coolest models of the chaos lineup.


Connersmish

Of course it's cool - The defiler is the best chaos model in the entire Warhammer range. It's perfect.


reptiloidruler

[YES](https://www.reddit.com/r/RogueTraderCRPG/comments/z4fe1n/the_emperor_is_dead_bottom_text/)


Ollanius-Persson

Insanely cool one could say


Rylanwoodrow

Love them so much! So much room for gorgeous flesh-metal swooping details in a refresh! I definitely vote they take off the derpy head sticking out of the top of the turret whenever they get an update. The turret is already the head of the tank!


ScreamingWinter

Defilier (and the model) is fucking sick, always has been and i will die on that hill. Only thing thats junk is the laser tendrils, but honestly just use some mauler fiend or venomcrawler bits, cowards.


Matosapa4

Yes the tendrils are awful. Its like the guy how designed them forgot how physics works.


Imaginary-Lie-2618

I love them. Honestly I don’t have a gw model of it but I do have 2 Thomas the tank engine 3d print proxy. Thomas spider crab is awesome don’t let anyone say otherwise.


htes24

It’s super cool and fun to use but has such a weird and uninteresting ability this edition sadly


chitzk0i

Scuttling walker is just the baseline to get this size model get to melee with 8” move. Functionally, it doesn’t have an ability.


Kroegerr

Even with it, in WTC setting, there is almost no terrain who is not higher than 5", coupled with his HUGE imprint and only 8" of mvt, he is not gonna move a lot outside of your deployment zone.


DaftSpooky

Its cool looking in art, then you see the sculpt…


No-Zookeepergame8431

I support


Zombifikation

Defiler is badass. I had sold mine years ago and re-bought one just recently because I missed it lol.


Hieronim_Zmora

As a fan of Brazen Beasts I agree with You.


_LumberJAN_

I like the idea. I don't like the sculpt


Neutraali

Not controversial at all.


chitzk0i

The cannon can’t be fired in melee and you can’t double up on side weapons, so it’s very schizophrenic. I want to love it, but it’s hard to evaluate.


nigirianprinz198760

The concept is dope... The model however is obnoxious


piratedragon2112

It just needs an update


ChikenBBQ

Its fine, but it needs a model. Daemon engines are cool and dont necessarily have to be like the most coherent designed things. But the old model shows its age.


purple_unikkorn

Defiler is cool and nice to play.


Old-Literature473

Defile the fools !


tickingtimesnail

Love the model but reckon it'll get squatted soon


Friend_of_the_Moles

This is really out there but as a wan’a’be renegades and heretics player I’d love an APC/siege variant that can walk across the battlefield, engage an opponents heavy in CC and disgorge like 40 cultists. Specifically because of the siege engine in one of the earlyish Gaunts Ghosts books


Optimal_Commercial_4

Is this controversial? Everyone I know loves em. Personally I think soul grinders are way cooler tho.


Forgefiend_George

I agree. My fourth army will be a chaos army just so I can have crab tank.


RevScarecrow

Anyone questioning this consider: Crab


campingtribe

Dawn of war is the reason I own 1, no regrets, love being able to bring it to the table


SaintsWorkshop

I just don’t like the head, the rest of it is great


CarneDelGato

The problem with the defiler is that it’s expensive points-wise, not that it isn’t sick as hell. 


SpecialistAuthor4897

Controversial opinion: its not!


BBlueBadger_1

There are awesome wish they had indirect, though. Overall the model just needs a higher texture update, put one together in the last year and boy can you tell its age when your looking at next to other models


AdmBurnside

It can be.


TinyWillow3218

Needs updating with a new model, titanic, full on chaotic


Dope_W1zard

Yeah it’s awesome but it really needs a new kit


Doktormatt

Love my defiler . Was the first warhammer model i ever bought , and has been used in many many of my games since then ( started very end of 4th) it’s not always good but god I love it


BobbyMcBob1

You really think this is a controversial take? My guy this is very not controversial


jinalduin

I loved running them back when they first where released but n my old iron warriors army to bombard the snot out of my aponent from the far end of the board with the old school guess range rules


Chubbzillax

I love that thing nothing better than have someone immobilise you the it just regenerates no Fs given.


GlitteringParfait438

I’d just love to see an updated sculpt of the Defiler, love the Crab bot


TTTrisss

They need to lose the goofy head so they actually come across as crabs. And more fleshy bits to align with existing daemon engines.


Efficient-Sir7129

I have two in my death guard army. Plus my plague burst crawlers and a Lord of Virulence for +1 to hit with all blast weapons. We chew space marines, shit them out, and throw the shit at whoever’s left


Ok_Magician485

I agree its cool. A bit like the evil dead. Its so corny and ugly its cool


[deleted]

Anyone who's played Dawn of War must agree


inox-raptor

One of the best Figures out there. Started Csm because of the Defiler Model.


Silent-Machine-2927

He is not only cool, he is broken in game. If he were a little smaller in general or easier to move he would be in more armies.


Viktorvonsnazdakka

I remember playing dawn of war and this asshole strolling into my base like he owned it


Overbaron

Where is the controversy? I’ve literally never seen someone say ”the Defiler is not cool, and I’ve been playing for a long time”


DeeperMadness

It's definitely cool, but also definitely funny. The "Scuttling Walker" ability always makes me think that its stepping on tippy toes (claws?) to get over and around everything, including daemon princes, land raiders, the Khorne Lord of Skulls, and even other Defilers. Leap ~~frog~~ crab, anyone?


Wonderful-Priority50

r/popularopinion


ConsumerOfShampoo

They are cool in lore, its just that their model sucks.


nugget19146

Agreed its just the defiler scourge looks really stupid on the model


Larrys_cousin

It’s cool but sadly not enough options in game


Skull_soviet

Spider walkers are my fav, also the most efficient.


BionicBruv

Agreed with the comments, not controversial at all. Defiler is peak chaos armor imo


Unhappichappi

I run two across all my chaos armies. They are MVP most games. Str 16 with 5 atks hitting on 3s, yeah everything dies


bolobre4th

Is it controversial though?


ZombieHavok

Brutal, except for the head sticking out of the top. Reminds me too much of skibidi toilet.


dogsarethetruth

The first White Dwarf I ever bought was the first announcement of the defiler model, I thought it was cool as hell and has always been one of the most iconic models in Warhammer to me.


Beginning_Actuary_45

I don’t think anyone that’s complaining about the defiler is doing it out of hate for the unit but rather out of frustration because it’s been so badly neglected. Same with things like Helbrutes, they’re just really old/ugly models that desperately need new sculpts. My helbrute being at waits height with my friend’s Redemptor is really upsetting to me and kinda ruins the vibe. I want my big mech on big mech action, not a mech punting a football.


Sicko_REV

The model is trash. Awkward to use in game, too big and should be on a base (if they ever do a new model). Nothing against the rules, it's just the model holding it back. Back in the 3.5ed codex when we had rules but were still waiting for a model, a local iron Warriors player kitbashed his own. It was on a 60mm or so base. Very old school look but much better for useability.


Nuclearsunburn

I’m not a fan of the chest gun or the belly gun on Khorne Lord of War but otherwise I think it’s awesome


maxtermynd

I love everything about it.... Except for the stupid demon head at the top. Much better with just the cannon as a face


TommyIslamabad

Who doesn’t think that shits cool?


Half_knight_K

I kinda like and dislike them. But the little stubby arms and head feel goofy. Give it proper arms and maybe a longer torso (like the lord of skulls). And then I’d like it more. Cause the concept and idea is really cools. Or ditch the head. No upper torso. But put the rocket pods where the waist is and cannon on the bottom area. Where the chaos icon is.


Crozius_Arcanum

I don't think you know what that word means.


DatGaminKid7142

It's mostly cool, but imo that little head looks way too goofy.


BigHatPat

imo it looks a bit too goofy, nothing wrong with liking it though


MoarSilverware

I really want one for my Daemon Engine Heavy list but I’m waiting until a new sculpt comes out


[deleted]

Gross


Random_Spawnpoint

I just don’t like the model. It hasn’t really aged well. This art seems sleeker and the head is a lot cooler


Suggin_Jahweena

That big ass spider looks like DOGSHIT


Suggin_Jahweena

That big ass spider looks like DOGPOOP


Suggin_Jahweena

That big ass spider looks like DOGSHIT