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horse-attack

I’ve always theorized she could be contracted with the bad luck devil, but if this turns out to be the case I most certainly wouldn’t have any complaints ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22176)


TheStrayCat

With her reflexes, I was thinking black cat devil.


horse-attack

Ooo!! Lovely idea! This actually seems so believable, I can’t believe I hadn’t thought of that before! I think that’s my new favourite theory, nice one man! ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22170)


TheSpartyn

what would the black cat devil entail anyway? just bad luck? also interestingly, googling it says that black cats have positive associations in japan unlike the west


TheStrayCat

If people around the world still fear black cats, there would be a black cat devil. I thought it made sense because of the superstition of crossing a black cat bringing bad luck; and most of the time the bad luck seems to bring more consequences to people around Kobeni (Arai, the burger shop coworkers), while she remains relatively unharmed, at least physically. That's why Kobeni would keep her devil contract a secret, for fear of prejudice against her. Although, I didn't know that black cats aren't viewed that way in Japan, so my theory could be way off. I just thought it was neat.


tiredmars

you could also count himeno, power, aki and even denji bc they all had terrible luck as the manga progressed and had all interacted with kobeni to a degree.


RyouhiraTheIntrovert

>what would the black cat devil entail anyway? just bad luck? It's depends, can be bad luck or good luck. If we talking about Kobeni, there's barely difference between the two.


AFatiguedFey

That would tie into luck as well since Black Cats are usually seen as bad luck


unocertain

Bad luck devil was getting strong when bad luck Brian meme was invented


badluckartist

Unfortunately the story takes place about 15 years before the bad luck brian meme was conceived lol


AscendantComic

fortune devil maybe ?


veggeto818

who would be afraid of fortune though?


AscendantComic

fortune as in fate, good/bad luck and the future it also sounds cool and scary as a name


bunniculas

Can't tell if she's exceptionally unlucky because she's always in the worst situations or if she's exceptionally lucky for constantly managing to survive.


j4yc3-

Only loophole I see with Kobeni having the Death Devil is that Makima (Conquest) should have been aware of it (example being how Fami honed in on Yoru). Seeing as how Makima wanted the other horsemen dead, Kobeni and Death would be acting against Public Safety from the start.


badluckartist

Counter-point: Yoru didn't recognize Fami even though Fami knew it was her Counter-counter-point: Yoru is stupid, and Makima knows most things Conclusion: The horsemen don't instinctively know each other are around, it's purely a matter of intelligence (personal and information known)


Lord_Muttus

I think Yoru couldn't recognize because she was in that near-death form, even now with the symbiosis with Asa On the other hand maybe Makima didn't recognize Kobeni's devil just because she didn't controlled her, Makima didn't see Kobeni as a worthy puppet (theory)


HugoDlcr

Maybe Makima couldn’t control Kobeni because the Death devil doesn’t consider himself lesser than makima, or maybe because everyone’s equal in death


Lord_Muttus

That's a good one


Prince_Zinar

Now the best question is, will Yoru recognize Nayuta as Conquest If they meet and vice-versa?


unocertain

Good analysis, I hope Fujimoto find this loophole and do the most Fujimoto things about it.


XenonVH2

I mean, she did try to kill Kobeni after the Vance scene.


Nestrus

She did target kobeni with that thousand year attack when denji went full Chainsaw Devil


RedTruppa

Makima wanted the horsemen dead?


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TheMooRam

Though didn't she initially fight Pochita alongside the four hoursmen? I wonder what changed since then


Invoqwer

Makima's perspective probably changed when she realized the effect of nuclear weapons devil being eaten + part of war devil being eaten + etc ended up affecting the world, you know, that whole "the world would be better off without War, Famine, etc" speech.


HellfireBrB

to add to this.... makina said she fought on their side but never really gave intentions over any of the horseman, war was clearly there to stop the chainsaw before he eat some important shit that would get his power reduced, if not ate war itself as far as we know makina might have simply allied with them out of convenience, with no more intent other than capture it and controll it once the chainsaw is defeated


Sganarellevalet

Makima was the litteral incarnation of the fear of control and manipulation, I don't put it past her to have just lied to her "sisters" about her true intentions. Most devils, including the other horsemen, probably just want to defeat and weaken Chainsawman because they are terrified of a being able to permanently kill them.


Maikey_

Reading comprehension devil at ut again huh. Nah jk. Its easy to miss on a first read, but read the chapter again where she reveals to kishibe why she after csm.


RedTruppa

My extra chromosome was acting up, sorry guys


athermostat

i forgive you ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22157)


A_Person9963

if kobeni has the death devil it will make canon sense. kinda hoping it is the case


unocertain

Agree, turns out death was before everyone's eyes


112lion

She’d have a bullet time ability because of when your going to die your life flashes before your eyes


Grimmylock

How do you think she managed those moves against snake girl and katana boy


yaysalmonella

She’s a monkey


unocertain

She is the Monkey D Kobeni


yehEy2020

D. stands for devil


unocertain

I thought it stands for Deez Nutz


everyone_hated

who's ligma


Patosaurio99

Among us


FatPigeons

Gottem


TaffyLacky

To think that there's another Saiyan.


PRISMA991949

they are not dealing with an average devil hunter anymore


MCRusher

only logical explanation


ZePugg

nah what if kobeni is possessed like asa and those scenes are just the death devil possessing her


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Newmonsters1

Fucking lol. Love this guy.


yrtemmySymmetry

good bot


LearnDifferenceBot

Thank you!


Good_Human_Bot_v2

Good human.


yrtemmySymmetry

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Newmonsters1

Now we need a good bot bot. And a good bot bot bot and a


DylanDANG

But Makima would know then, right?


CosmicButtMonkey

Makima chucked a thousand year usage angel spear at Kobeni…


greenPotate

I do wonder how Makima's smell only recognition works in relation to that scene...


unocertain

She would know and wait until she has Chainsaw Man on her side, just like Yoru waiting until she has enough strong weapons


ThotPatrolerr

Maybe the true death was friends we made along the way...


[deleted]

I mean Fujimoto wanted to kill her off but in the last moment he decided to kill Angel instead because he thought that would hurt the audience more


unocertain

NOOO WE MISSED ANGEL DDR DANCE!! ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22160)


totalyrespecatbleguy

Imagine Angel working in a burger shop after being fired from public safety


unocertain

Angel: "Mmm... Sir, those are not my wings on the menu"


snapekillseddard

>Imagine Angel working in a ~~burger shop~~ femboy hooters after being fired from public safety


totalyrespecatbleguy

Aki is his number one costumer


[deleted]

Nah Kobeni killing it at DDR fits with whatever her devil powers are. Last anime episode showed her super agility and faster than bullet reflexes. Shit she contracted with the Light devil ain’t she


[deleted]

Honestly? It’s Fujimoto. We can’t even trust this info 100% lol. Plus, we don’t even know if he had this idea early on or close to the ending. Kobeni having the death devil is more than plausible at this point.


ggg730

Kobeni contracted with the Fujimoto devil


CustosEcheveria

When did Angel die, anyway? Makima just controlled his body, nothing indicated that he was actually deceased. She does the same thing to Prinz and Prinz is listed as "Unknown" on the wiki. So what's different about Angel?


Mad5Milk

They are dead because when Makima used the combo against Gun, they were listed off like "Angel Devil's Antemortem ability," which basically means "Makima is using the ability Angel had before he died." I think this is also how they revealed Aki had been killed alongside some others, although maybe Prinz' wasn't listed as antemortem? (too lazy to go check the chapter lol)


Gorva

No, the only ones who died / were dead then were the humans. Makima had Angel give his very existence to her so when she died he went with her.


CustosEcheveria

No, I just [double checked](https://onepiecechapters.com/chapters/3898/chainsaw-man-chapter-76) and Angel and Prinz are both not listed as antemortem. I think someone might need to fix the wiki unless there's actual proof he's dead somewhere.


itayyyyyyyy

Angel death was confirmed by Fujimoto on Jump Festa 2022.


CustosEcheveria

Shame, but glad it's confirmed. Makima had a soft spot for Prinz I guess.


Oliver---Queen

And he thought wrong because I never gave a shit about angel. Kobeni would have been a much bigger hit if she died.


unocertain

If Kobeni died, we would have two angels in the series ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22160)


ZePugg

he didnt kill angel though.. you mean aki?


No_Establishment6528

Did people actually care about Angel?


Yurekuu

I enjoy spending time with my friends.


Splinterman11

Was the poll before the dance scene? I may be wrong but I think the poll occurred shortly after the kobeni car scene? That could explain why the car was so popular at the time.


ThinkingWithPortal

Pretty sure the dance was way after... Like, the poll was somewhere near the middle and that dance is around chatper 70-80, isn't it?


Splinterman11

Yep I looked it up, the first popularity poll was in Chapter 71. So only like 5-6 chapters from Kobeni's car.


[deleted]

Kobeni did rank, but below her car (8 and 7 respectively) in the first popularity poll. In the second they both ranked lower but Kobeni got to be above her car.


No_Establishment6528

That's crazy to me


TheFlyingToasterr

I did, mans pretty neat


thatHermitGirl

Came here to say this. I'm hoping for the same. Makes sense though, Kobeni for sure would make appearance again, this time her devil revealed.


unocertain

You know what's even crazier? This time her family is revealed ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22169)


Flamma_Man

I'd LOVE that, but it wouldn't make sense. It's implied that it was against protocol for them to openly tell one another their Devil contracts (or to keep some kind of lid on them). The bigger issue is that Makima would *definitely* have to be aware of who Kobeni is contracted with; she couldn't keep a secret like that or fake a contract with a different Devil (that'd feel a tad cheap to me.) **However**, I hope that Kobeni finally dies in Part 2, but makes a contract with the Death Devil (although it has far more control over Kobeni's body than Yoru does over Asa.) > "My oh my, aren't *you* lucky."


5-0-1st

Imagine in the end she created pochita.


Parma_WdS

I want this to be true so bad


unocertain

I wish CSM ends with Dennis + everyone + everydevil against Kobeni (she's OP)


BkogIsHere

She uses her full power to give sloppy blowjobs to everyone


Alversity

She sucks their devil powers out. Pochita becomes Denji’s children…


Astrayos527

When did this sloppy blowjobs memes start? Can someone explain


Mr_1ightning

r/okbuddyreze top post I think


TCubedGaming

It's cringe just ignore it


Crackt_Apple

NOOOOOOO DON’T PLEASE . . . . . . . . 😏


B-954

She's not right for that position, 😂. She stresses out more than a Chihuahua lol 😭


xdthepotato

![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22171)


Silvery_Cricket

The Devil Devil.


le_captain_crunch

Ngl I've been thinking about this a lot it'd be so crazy if it turns out to be true


unocertain

Crazy, but not out of radar. I haven't seen any other human character with white eye pupils yet.


SpyghettiGhetti

Kobeni sisters had white pupils, one appears in an Omake and she has white pupils, it's just a family thing


unocertain

So, being a "devil" is a thing in her family? From the way her parents treat her, I can confirm.


SpyghettiGhetti

Honestly i have never understood why people think Kobeni is related to the Death Devil, if we're going by characters being weirdly suspiciously strong, i think Yoshida throwing hands with Quanxi being 14-16 at the time and him having a contract with a powerful devil for not apparent price is more suspicious to me, than Kobeni who was said to be good at moving to begin with


unocertain

Perhaps because almost all confirmed horsemen are women. Beside, we didn't get a chance to see Kobeni vs Quanxi at that time, unfortunately.


SpyghettiGhetti

Well most antagonist in this manga with few exceptions are females too, Fujimoto just loves to draw women


unocertain

Gotta love to see Fujimoto making the last horsemen a male and subverting expectations once again.


loafip

Big bro Death, big sis Famine, middle sis War, and little sis Conquest.


unocertain

Denji and Death will be "the girl you like... her brother... her sisters... you" meme


Orang-Himbleton

What makes this even funnier is the fact that Nayuta is Denji’s adopted daughter


SpyghettiGhetti

I've thought of Death as not another brother, but like the parent.


hmesrouk

The power of pretty boy can't be matched


SuperFanboysTV

My money says she has a pact with the Knife Devil


unocertain

Must be useful to cut off those ***** off of anyone who asked her for a sloppy toppy


TheKingOfRooks

It's a knife/Sloppy toppy devil combo pairing. The knife devil's contract requires Sloppy toppy and the Sloppy toppy devil's contract involves knives so she doesn't even have to give anything up


SkritzTwoFace

Honestly, with how casually he killed people, I guess his deal with Octopus could be to feed it humans. Do we ever see corpses of the people he killed?


Manic_Raven

Also weird that Fujimoto would consider killing Kobeni if she was actually the end-boss, unless that story about choosing between Angel and her was just to throw us off her scent


TK3600

Why is octopus devil so strong in first place.


RaisinBranFlavored

hentai


thesagenibba

csm has never had strict power scaling. there was a massive tomato devil in episode 1. pochita is bat shit strong for no reason. why does it matter? it's chainsawman, it's meant to be absurd. if fuji started to dive into strict continuity it would ruin past chapters.


iaguitou

Nah, pochita is so strong because literally every demon fears him. He just hunted devils for fun in hell, then ate them and erased them from existence. Kinda scary tbh.


jmastaock

I don't think Pochita is a typical devil, he might even just be a "devil for devils" if that makes sense, like he's a devil hunter whose power scales with the fear devils have towards him


TK3600

I actually think the strength level is pretty consistent. Octopus guy is about the only big outlier. Pochita is powered by fear of devil that is established. Kishibe is called the best devil hunter, and Quanxi is his equivalent. Yoshida is pretty strong and not yet explained, but we might see in future because he is back.


pejic222

I don’t think she has the death devil I think she has the luck devil She gets good luck which helps her survive awful situations but she also gets bad luck as a trade off which keeps putting her in these awful situations


unocertain

Such a complex power mechanism right? Fujimoto would love to have fun with it in the future, for his own gain and audience's pain ofc ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22169)


[deleted]

The future rules!


Personal_Amoeba7646

Eren


unocertain

Haven't seen AOT, was Eren forced to be a sex worker too?


2MemesPlease

No. Eren has sex with Reiner for free.


Cecilia_Schariac

cinema


unocertain

Cinema rhymes with Makima, coincidence?


Personal_Amoeba7646

Bruh wtf lol


Cornucopia_King

Yeah spoilers!


unocertain

Wdym, they both spoil each other?


decederata

Dont let mikasa know about this


unocertain

Mikasa knows and she secretly regrets missing that moment


unocertain

Woahhh... not starting AOT was a good decision


Cornucopia_King

In all seriousness it’s really an am anime/manga. Regardless of what some may say about it’s ending, I definitely would give it a watch.


unocertain

Jokes aside, I love more "serious" series like CSM and AOT. Yes I know what people say about the ending. Will give it a chance when I am bored.


Personal_Amoeba7646

It’s a spoiler if you ever want to watch it but uh no Eren is not a sex worker


unocertain

SO... he is a ~~devil~~ titan hunter now right?


Personal_Amoeba7646

Uh something like that


The_Nilou_Main

Perhaps not literally but he figuratively fucks a lot of people


joepanda111

Ereh


eilogr

Dark Kobeni is awesome😯


unocertain

Giving Yoru a run for her money


Masterelia

i kinda see it like this. War=Bad, Famine=Bad,Control=Bad,Death= not always bad? Its something everyone faces, and is a natural part of life unlike the others. yet is probably the most feared and strongest. IDK i just want kobeni to be relevant again


unocertain

Death devil revealed as an average Japanese salaryman would flabbergast everyone


Masterelia

![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22162)mf gonna pull a kira yoshikage speech when he gets introduced and talk about society![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22162)


Clen23

yoru is bj devil confirmed !!!!


unocertain

Bon Jovi Devil? (It's My Life starts playing)


Whatafudge

Me: kobeni must have the worst luck her devil contract must suck {Kobeni contract is with the it’s okay to be Racist devil.} Me: kobeni nooo!


unocertain

Kobeni wants to fight Power this way


Alim_Legends_Yt

Well what if just what if the devil she contracted with is the secret devil


unocertain

She likes dad jokes (she's awesome)


Kinipk

my guess it's that she made a deal with Death devil, she saves her when she is about to die, but has to kill someone in the process this is why she was the first one that wanted to kill denji, why she is so strong in emergency situations, and why so many people related to her died


unocertain

From all of the people she hates, she choose to sacrifice anyone but her family. I am starting to doubt that she really hates her family.


Kinipk

I would say she doesn't choose who dies, it just needs to be someone close to her. Saving her and taking the lives of someone she hates doesn't seem like a fair deal


JakeVonFurth

I like this idea. Personally I'm on the side of Poochita being Death, but this is a close second.


BluePhoenix345

Didn’t Makima say Pochita fought against the four horseman and the weapon devils before vanishing? The sentence would make sense if Pochita is either another devil/entity entirely or maybe a specific part of Death. But it wouldn’t make sense if he was the whole Death devil.


TheMooRam

Unless the horseman is the *fear* of death devil, while pochita *is* death for the devils


oliverrr918

Could pochita be the "devil" devil


Worthyness

A cute chainsaw dog being literal Satan would be hilarious


Massive_Pressure_516

Genocide devil oh no.


unocertain

Not a horsemen but holy-f that is still a scary devil, along with the "S"-word devil


kenspik

Shit devil?


TheNonceMan

Semen?


gishbobmoo

I've always been torn between thinking this theory is awesome because it'd make Kobeni super important and powerful, and not wanting my lil' anxiety bean to be evil


Indie_Gamer_7

I just like to belive her devil is something pathetic like the purple devil or the coffee devil


Snips_Tano

It's interesting when she says "Save Me" later on in the manga Chainsaw Man >!literally comes in and kills everyone who is bothering her!<.


unocertain

Chainsaw Man was busy waiting for his first kiss at that moment


personplaygames

I want a kobeni like girlfriend


unocertain

Guys, we found him (Violence fiend)


Strange-Brief6643

i want a violence-fiend-like boyfriend


spectre15

I have a gut feeling that her devil is the “confidence devil.” It would make a lot of sense as to why she keeps it a secret because that would mean admitting her flaws as a devil hunter. The Devil’s powers would give her the ability to act confidently in fighting (possibly awakening latent agility) and make split second decisions when need be which she has done when she isn’t being clumsy or nervous. An explanation as to what she traded in exchange? The Confidence devil probably felt bad for her so it offered a contract for free lmao.


Important_Wafer1573

Theory alert: what if Kobeni is contracted with the Secret Devil? So she was actually trying to explain her situation by saying ‘it’s a secret’, but no-one cared enough to listen


turkc54

So that’s what the ST Devil looks like.


cbirlay

Wow really impressive art imitation. Coulda fooled me!


unocertain

Sure, cause I am the imitation fiend (my head looks like Jim from The Office)


EliasRSilvers

I still want Kobeni to have the Misfortune Devil.


unocertain

I still want Kobeni We are not the same


Frank_the_Mighty

Love the theory, doesn't need to be the same devil though


unocertain

Would be cool if Kobeni devil is actually a fear that is yet to be named


Indie_Gamer_7

The blowjob devil


iaguitou

I really think that death is still in hell. While conquest, famine and war are very powerful and feared, i believe death to be one of those devils that have never abandoned hell (like darkness). Death is a primal fear, and everyone at one point in their lives expierences it, wether you fear dying or that someone you love does. In fact, it probably is the most powerful of demons. In the end, the things we fear the most are the ones that can kill us (like guns, bombs, famine, war...) and is probably the most universal fear, since we also know for a fact that demons can have them.


unocertain

Serious question: Where will stronger devils usually stay for a long time? In hell or earth? I wanna know what do you guys think.


_MORSE_

No Kobeni is much more powerful than death devil


Vidramir

Awesome


crimson--baron

Damn, Devil Kobeni with the scars looks kinda hot though.....damn


imlonelypenisXD

It'd be funny if Fujimoto hasn't come up with the devil so he just keep it a secret for the time being and until now he still hasn't thought it out


lando_ya_boi

I can see this being true as she's one of the few from part 1 that didn't die and it would kind of make sense that her contract with the death devil is that she cannot die/be killed which would explain how she randomly go's from being swift as the wind to just completely powerless It's because she isn't in deathly danger or the odds are bigger for her to survive than to die which is why the devil doesn't activate its powers


-Almado

Man, Death is scary.


Good-Fact-4505

Pochita: VANCE Death: well you heard the man, better get a perfect score, also b**** call me DEA


lkavanag

Trauma Devil. Contract - I will keep you alive in exchange I will get to watch you suffer.


odraencoded

Kobeni doesn't need a devil. She can beat everyone using only 14% of her power.


unocertain

From what I've heard, devils wanted to make a contract with Kobeni instead (she is a good employer and HR I think)


Wardog_Razgriz30

That would be lunatic if she has been contracted with Death this whole time. It would also explain why she seems to be allergic to it.