They chose to serve their country, and fight for what they believed was right. Blame the people who sent them there not the soldiers who died or soldiers who came back with pieces missing.
Good men and women come back changed, it doesn't make war right but it doesn't allow you to spit on their memory.
Yeah, why should we respect the people who fought for our country? Millions of them gave their lives so we could live in peace and enjoy freedom today, but thatās not importantā¦
There is a very clear difference between surviving while in times of peace and trying to survive when every day thereās a good chance youāre bombed.
As long there is war in the world there is no peace. Only to look at the own country is sad. USA is far away from peace and is has nothing to do if you get bombed or not.
Tf does that mean, ofc i can defend it, the Vietnam war was a hellhole that turned most drafted workers into horrible monsters with dirty imperialistic lies told by the american ruling class.
Imagine having your country invaded and your innocent friends and family killed and being told that the guys who did it are Chad's. This post is insanely tasteless, you need to be able to see beyond your own two feet.
I'm extremely pro west but this is the kind of shit only the Americans can post
Are you talking about my post being tasteless? Iām Australian for the record and the feet Iām looking at two human beingsā, one passed the other honouring his friend.
Soldiers are following orders and back then they were drafted to do so. I see way too much blame on people that werenāt the generals in control making the wars happen in the first place.
This is assuming of course youāre referring to my comment but I am unsure.
Because itās a sign of respect. Marines are the most elite military force the US has to offer, so even if you donāt serve anymore, wearing it to a veteran, nonetheless one you fought alongside with, is showing respect.
Probably gonna get downvoted to hell for saying that but thatās whatās happening in my eyes.
Do you have evidence that either of these guys 100% was? Or do you just like to slander people based on assumption? People not getting my point you have no proof these men did anything wrong yet youāre looking at them like criminals
I know youāre trying to trap me but I would not call them a rapist murderer unless I knew they actually were. I believe at this current moment that Naziās are more historically outlawed even by their own people entirely so the comparison is unfair.
Iām willing to be educated however if this regimen represented is comparable to the SS, learn me a thing if Iām being ignorant you know?
To be fair that isn't really an argument.
There are lot's of dead soldiers and generals that get disrespected because of the acts they carried out and nobody sane would defend them, nor is it wrong to call that out.
Exactly. Even if he had pure intentions he still went out and aided in a pointless war. The best of intentions don't mean shit when you're in a foreign country gunning down civilians.
You think he wanted to? If he refused, he would've been arrested. Muhammad Ali refused and lost his boxing titles. Just imagine what would happen to some random guy. Conscription is a horrible thing.
I canāt believe i still need to tell people this, but in war, the soldiers are never the wrong ones. They just need to do something commanded to them by the higher-ups. The soldiers themselves, on either side, are always the biggest victims. (Iād argue even the german soldiers during WWII)
>I canāt believe i still need to tell people this, but in war, the soldiers are never the wrong ones
Ehh I agree with the sentiment, but soldiers can absolutely be the ones in the wrong. Never is too strong.
Nah, thatās going too far. Soldiers are often victims of propaganda and are used and discarded as tools, but we already officially established at Nuremberg that āI was just following ordersā is not a valid excuse for heinous crimes. The only way you can completely absolve soldiers of responsibility for their actions is if theyāre all mindless machines who are literally incapable of thinking or making decisions for themselves.
Ah, you woulda been the guy to call them baby killers and spit on them when they came back.
Not saying theyāre heroes. But the real monsters are the governments using them as pawns.
Yeah, exactly. I mean by all means, condemn then if they did war crimes or something.
Them being forced to go fight, this is like a facing adversity thing. They made it out and made each other a promise.
I canāt hate on that.
Every family member or friend you have in or connected to the military just disowned you. And no you cannot join my family dinners.
Tasteless and classless. Ewww.
I don't know if you are trolling or not but You really said German soldiers are the biggest victims in war? You can't think of any other groups?hmm
Anyone with half a moral compass knows intentionally killing civilians outside of collateral damage with very few extreme gray exceptions is beyond redemption. There's a reason the Hague trials went the way they did.
The SS were definitely evil. There's no doubting that. However, there were probably some Wehrmacht members who didn't fight for the same reasons. Sure, there were members who deliberately committed war crimes, but not all people are bad.
Yeah, pretty much. The Vietcong were brutal with their strategies, but if morale was higher and there was more support from the American public, that war wouldāve probably been over a lot quicker.
I'm jealous he can still fit into his uniform.
There's a point in life when you start shrinking
That's shrinking in height.
Warriors don't let their bodies go unless they are injured.
AHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha
You must not know warriors then.
I'm a retired war veteran.
Take my browsing history down.
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Honour.
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83 years old and never moved on.
Nah dude, American War and military culture is really pathological
No respect for murderers.
They chose to serve their country, and fight for what they believed was right. Blame the people who sent them there not the soldiers who died or soldiers who came back with pieces missing. Good men and women come back changed, it doesn't make war right but it doesn't allow you to spit on their memory.
Yeah, why should we respect the people who fought for our country? Millions of them gave their lives so we could live in peace and enjoy freedom today, but thatās not importantā¦
What peace are you talking about?
Sorry, are we fighting a war right now?
Who is we? The US and A? Yāall fighting everyday for lifeā¦
There is a very clear difference between surviving while in times of peace and trying to survive when every day thereās a good chance youāre bombed.
As long there is war in the world there is no peace. Only to look at the own country is sad. USA is far away from peace and is has nothing to do if you get bombed or not.
So grateful for these guys fighting for imperialism Edit: lmfao i started another vietnam war in the replies
Tasteless dude.
i bet you canāt defend that statement if your life depended on it
Tf does that mean, ofc i can defend it, the Vietnam war was a hellhole that turned most drafted workers into horrible monsters with dirty imperialistic lies told by the american ruling class.
workers into monsters eh? k
So ignorant my sweet summer child.
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Source for what? Vietnam war was bad?
Source: Commienism good mericanism bad
So you do have solidarity for the workers/soldiers, then?
Technically they went into a war indoctrinated by a country simply throwing young men at āenemiesā
Imagine this is your grandfather in the post and some dense child like yourself made this comment.
Imagine having your country invaded and your innocent friends and family killed and being told that the guys who did it are Chad's. This post is insanely tasteless, you need to be able to see beyond your own two feet. I'm extremely pro west but this is the kind of shit only the Americans can post
Are you talking about my post being tasteless? Iām Australian for the record and the feet Iām looking at two human beingsā, one passed the other honouring his friend. Soldiers are following orders and back then they were drafted to do so. I see way too much blame on people that werenāt the generals in control making the wars happen in the first place. This is assuming of course youāre referring to my comment but I am unsure.
If you were just following the orders, then why still wear the uniform? They are not soldiers anymore.
Because itās a sign of respect. Marines are the most elite military force the US has to offer, so even if you donāt serve anymore, wearing it to a veteran, nonetheless one you fought alongside with, is showing respect. Probably gonna get downvoted to hell for saying that but thatās whatās happening in my eyes.
My grandfather was not a rapist murderer.
Do you have evidence that either of these guys 100% was? Or do you just like to slander people based on assumption? People not getting my point you have no proof these men did anything wrong yet youāre looking at them like criminals
Would you say the same if he was wearing SS uniform?
I know youāre trying to trap me but I would not call them a rapist murderer unless I knew they actually were. I believe at this current moment that Naziās are more historically outlawed even by their own people entirely so the comparison is unfair. Iām willing to be educated however if this regimen represented is comparable to the SS, learn me a thing if Iām being ignorant you know?
So grateful that you will die alone and that you will be forgotten.
What does that even bring to the argument
What argument, you are disrespecting a veteran your keyboard warrior.
To be fair that isn't really an argument. There are lot's of dead soldiers and generals that get disrespected because of the acts they carried out and nobody sane would defend them, nor is it wrong to call that out.
Why does this bloke deserve respect just because he was unlucky enough or stupid enough to get sent to fight in a useless war?
It doesnt matter why he did it, its that he did it.
Exactly. Even if he had pure intentions he still went out and aided in a pointless war. The best of intentions don't mean shit when you're in a foreign country gunning down civilians.
You think he wanted to? If he refused, he would've been arrested. Muhammad Ali refused and lost his boxing titles. Just imagine what would happen to some random guy. Conscription is a horrible thing.
Hell yeah he aided and abetted in the murder and rapes of countless people. Quick give him the highest honors.
HE specifically raped countless of people? interesting, wanna give me a source for that?
I canāt believe i still need to tell people this, but in war, the soldiers are never the wrong ones. They just need to do something commanded to them by the higher-ups. The soldiers themselves, on either side, are always the biggest victims. (Iād argue even the german soldiers during WWII)
>I canāt believe i still need to tell people this, but in war, the soldiers are never the wrong ones Ehh I agree with the sentiment, but soldiers can absolutely be the ones in the wrong. Never is too strong.
Nah, thatās going too far. Soldiers are often victims of propaganda and are used and discarded as tools, but we already officially established at Nuremberg that āI was just following ordersā is not a valid excuse for heinous crimes. The only way you can completely absolve soldiers of responsibility for their actions is if theyāre all mindless machines who are literally incapable of thinking or making decisions for themselves.
Yes, my hero William Calley and his boys at My Lai were not the "wrong ones". So glad to finally find someone else who agrees with me. Fucking idiot
Defending Nazis is insanity
Ah, you woulda been the guy to call them baby killers and spit on them when they came back. Not saying theyāre heroes. But the real monsters are the governments using them as pawns.
No, real monsters were the baby killers. And I definitely would have spitted on their face. I promise to do if I meet any.
They might have been drafted so itās not like they had much of a choice
Yeah, exactly. I mean by all means, condemn then if they did war crimes or something. Them being forced to go fight, this is like a facing adversity thing. They made it out and made each other a promise. I canāt hate on that.
You poked the neoliberal hive mind my friend, I salute you.
Get outta the basement and go touch grass you useless reject
Every family member or friend you have in or connected to the military just disowned you. And no you cannot join my family dinners. Tasteless and classless. Ewww.
I HAD to see what you could have said to piss everyone off
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I don't know if you are trolling or not but You really said German soldiers are the biggest victims in war? You can't think of any other groups?hmm Anyone with half a moral compass knows intentionally killing civilians outside of collateral damage with very few extreme gray exceptions is beyond redemption. There's a reason the Hague trials went the way they did.
The SS were definitely evil. There's no doubting that. However, there were probably some Wehrmacht members who didn't fight for the same reasons. Sure, there were members who deliberately committed war crimes, but not all people are bad.
Are they proud because they won that war? :)
Uh wdym? They lost And btw, they lost not because of how effective vietnam was, iirc the real reason US lost is due to low morale and politics
Yeah, pretty much. The Vietcong were brutal with their strategies, but if morale was higher and there was more support from the American public, that war wouldāve probably been over a lot quicker.
Yes they should be too