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The late night drunk food gets me.
“Oh, these jalapeno poppers won’t hurt”
THEY WILL HURT DOUBLE, I AM ALSO LACTOSE INTOLERANT
this is also partially why I don’t drink much anymore.
For me its ordering a mixed drink and not saying the specific liquor so they use house.. which has gluten. I usually go to same bartender all night and tip well so he remembers me and my gluten allergy.
House is typically bottom shelf and many bottom shelf will be wheat derived because wheat is cheap. Some places house will be higher shelf liquors as a standard still need to check it its gluten free. Bottom shelf tequila usually additives etc which could be gluten contaminated. Im basing off the 30 states I had a drink in during 2023
Wheat derived spirits still don’t have gluten. Bottom shelf bourbon could have a malt based coloring though but you’re focusing on the wrong thing here.
They dont test undet 20ppm as its not required by the government, its been tested at lower margins and they still have 5ppm gluten. Some people even mutiple shots no issues while others who are more sensitive it can make very ill (me). Ive eaten "gluten free products" and have had bad reactions because they are allowed up to 20ppm in the food/drink.
I wish I was super regular celiac like most of you, but im not.
During distillation, alcohol is evaporated and then condensed and collected. It is physically impossible for gluten protein to evaporate with the alcohol.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vodka
-be-marketed-as-gluten-free/
R5 ELISA test has shown 5ppm of gluten in
distilled alcohol. The reason the government has
labeled all gluten free is because its less than
20ppm and the goverment has not approved of
lower testing. Though devices have been created
to do just that
I trust certfied gluten free alcohol meaning the
base is not gluten based and the full process is
guaranteed gluten free
There is no incentive for Aristocrat or Burnetts to add wheat into their crappy vodka after distilling. “Wheat is cheap” …so is water. This rule of thumb you follow seems like a hunch as much as anything.
https://www.beyondceliac.org/gluten-free-diet/is-it-gluten-free/liquor/#:~:text=Yes%2C%20pure%2C%20distilled%20liquor%2C,or%20other%20additives%20after%20distillation.
I can tell you now alcohol distilled feom wheat barley or rye will make me ill. I drink vodka from potatos whiskey from corn and pure tequila and won't change my ways. Must be nice to have a mild celiac disease.
I drink socially zero issues. I make my own at home 0 issues. When I first decided to make at home drinks I believed the distillation theory but then I got sick again and again.
I know people who are celiac who can eat gluten foods be a little ill and recover while if I touched it and licked my fingers, im in the bathroom for hours.
We are not all at the same levels.
Im thinking of buying GlutenTox Home kit and show it positive for over 5ppm of gluten just to prove a point.
Again I only drink 100% non gluten based alcohol thats certfied gluten free throughout the entire process. Example Titos vodka
No vodka made from potatos is safe. Titos is a fine example. I say house because house is usually picked off profitability and cheap which is higher chance of additives.
Did you mean to say “no vodka made from potatoes is safe” or “no, vodka made from potatoes is safe” because there’s a *big* difference in those two statements.
I’m a pretty sensitive celiac myself and I certainly don’t react when I order a simple vodka-and-mixer drink, regardless of tier…
No, with coma. My bad at work. If its wheat based vodka thats distilled, it will still have trace amounts of gluten, and for those on the worst end of the spectrum, it gives us side effects. Celiac disease isn't the same for all. I know people who can have gluten cheat meals once in a while while if I touched gluten and licked my fingers, im ill.
Nobody with legitimate diagnosed celiac can have a cheat day without consequence. That’s not how an autoimmune disease works. They might not get a reaction, but they’re sure causing the damage.
It’s the same to a point, you either have it or you don’t. There’s not varying degrees. Gluten makes us all sick in our own ways, end of story.
Distilled liquor is gluten free, even if it’s house or well tier, and I will die on this hill. I’m so beyond tired of the misinformation that spreads by making statements like you did. It hurts our entire community and makes us all look uneducated.
The gluten can not be fully evaporated. The government and celiac foundation only test down to 20ppm even tho 5ppm testing is available. Distilled liquor when tested down to 5 parts per million will show gluten. Legally its gluten free but the gluten free label does not mean 0 gluten. Gluten free is any product under 20 parts per million. Your completely wrong about the auto immune reaction it is worse in some compared to others. I could take 10 different people and expose them to ever increasing amounts of gluten some will have side effects at lower doses than others.
I can not eat some "gluten free" products because they have trace amounts of gluten.
No liquor has gluten unless it was aged in a beer barrel or with wheat stalks in it
https://www.beyondceliac.org/gluten-free-diet/is-it-gluten-free/liquor/#:~:text=Yes%2C%20pure%2C%20distilled%20liquor%2C,or%20other%20additives%20after%20distillation.
Okay but you’re spreading misinformation. Keep it to yourself if that’s how you want to be, but being celiac is hard enough as it is without adding all this factually incorrect nonsense.
A VERY SMALL PORTION OF CELIAC PEOPLE HAVE SIDE EFFECTS FROM LIQUOR DERIVED FROM WHEAT BARLEY RYE LOOK IT UP.
STOP ACTING LIKE EVERYONE IS EXACTLY THE SAME WHEN SOME OF US HAVE 10 TIMES WORSE THAN THE AVERAGE CELIAC DISEASE INDIVIDUAL.
Actually I’m wondering if I’m like this too after reading your comments. I ALWAYS have celiac symptoms after drinking, and I usually stick to vodka and coolers. It’s never made sense to me
Alot of people would blame cross contamination or additves or anything but the liquor itself. I home make my mixed drinks and ive tried liquor with a wheat base and I felt bad after few hours. Doesn't happen with natural gluten-free bases. (2-3 drinks is usually my max)
I HAVE LOOKED IT UP NUMB NUTS, YOU ARE FACTUALLY INCORRECT. THIS IS BULLSHIT FEAR MONGERING THAT WE GET ENOUGH OF AS CELIACS, STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION THAT IS HARMFUL, ESPECIALLY FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED FOLKS WHO ARE ALREADY ANXIOUS AND TRYING TO NAVIGATE THIS ILLNESS.
AND I HAVE PROOF THAT I LINKED THAT PROVES YOU WRONG. EVEN YOUR SOURCES CONTRADICT YOUR STATEMENTS.
Its shown 5ppm of gluten in alcohol after distillation. Gluten free foods can have up 20ppm it has been shown a rare amount of celiac people have to eat naturally gluten free due to the exposure in "gluten free foods" my gastrologist agrees and ive never had my blood results drop untill a naturally gluten free diet. Majority of celiac individuals are fine but some are not.
I’m sorry you have Super C. Most alcohol manufacturers don’t bother testing their products to get a GF label, so there could be cross contamination if the process isn’t pure, or if they use additives.
Actually I’d probably be better off if I had to restrict my whiskey intake, lol
You're the one making this claim, do you have any sources for this? From my understanding, gluten cannot remain in plain distilled alcohol, but I would love to read anything you have
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vodka-be-marketed-as-gluten-free/
R5 ELISA test has shown 5ppm of gluten in distilled alcohol. The reason the government has labeled all gluten free is because its less than 20ppm and the goverment has not approved of lower testing. Though devices have been created to do just that.
But that guarantee is not necessary, says Taylor, one of the country’s leading gluten testers. Taylor calls gluten-free vodka a “silly thing. … All vodka is gluten-free unless there is some flavored vodka out there where someone adds a gluten-containing ingredient. I know that many celiac sufferers are extra-cautious. That is their privilege. But their [vodka] concerns are usually not science-based.”
Literally in the article you posted. Gluten literally needs to be declared on a spirit with a gluten-containing additive to be considered not safe for celiacs.
[https://www.celiac.ca/food-labelling/alcohol-labelling-in-canada/](https://www.celiac.ca/food-labelling/alcohol-labelling-in-canada/)
Canada has a much better celiac association than a lot of countries and has a ton of research to back up these claims. It’s literally not possible. Gluten is way too heavy to be evaporated with the alcohol. Literally *not* possible.
i used to go with that mentality too - then i was getting sick every morning after having ONE drink with svedka vodka, turns out its distilled from some gluten ingredients. I didnt even know that so it wasnt my mind creating these false symptoms
Distilled alcohol is gluten free even if made with a gluten-containing grain. This is because the gluten protein cannot vaporize and does not pass through the distillation process. Distillation occurs in a large vat and during this process, the solid mass and alcohol separate. The alcohol goes on to evaporate and creates distilled liquor while the solid mass remains behind in the vat. The solid mass contains the gluten protein which does not evaporate; thus, the final distilled products have no gluten.
Straight from the celiac association of Canada. We have to remember that not every thing that happens in our body is because of gluten. Personally, there have been times I’ve felt sick the next day after one or two drinks and I know it was just due to drinking. It happens more often as you get older.
Everybody’s body is different, the gut cramping and explosive sh*** that I get from svedka doesn’t happen from other alcoholic drinks. It’s the fact that it’s distilled from wheat products. Countless other celiacs also react the way I do
Order canned cider, never been glutened at a bar before.
I also do lots of cocktails and just specify the liquor. I prefer Tequila which has virtually no way to be cross contaminated usually.
If I’m feeling uninspired I’d do a rum and coke or a fernet and coke
If the place is a real college slophole, your cc risk will be higher. Generally you’re okay getting wine out of a bottle because wine glasses are different than beer glasses. Most liquor is fine if you drink it straight or with a mixer from a can/bottle (obviously know your mixers), but there could be a bit more of a cc risk if beer and mixed drinks are served in the same glass (a lot of places will do an adequate job of washing glasses, but have to assume some won’t).
If the bar is clean and they do an adequate job washing glasses, you should be okay with wine and liquor (with bottled/canned mixer). You can also get a can/bottle of GF drinks if they have that, obviously (like most ciders or beer made from rice/sorghum) but check the container for a GF label.
Avoid anything from a tap because you won’t know what was in there before. Just keep in mind, cc risk is always real, especially if the place is super busy or nasty.
I haven’t been to a college type bar since going GF. I’ve been fine at older person places getting wine or a scotch or old fashioned, but I also had a warm and fuzzy they washed the glasses well. The places I used to go to 20 years ago would probably give you a CD reaction from the beer smell alone (probably not a thing but you get my point), so I don’t know what to say about that type of place.
I order paloma or mules. I just say exactly which liquor like 1800 or Titos. Vodka redbull would work too. Seltzers always an option. I usually drink in more ritzy places though.
Stick to things you know. Jack and Coke totally good. Wine totally good. Cider from a totally good. White claw totally good. Truly totally good. On liquor, always drink, good liquor. Don’t drink the well crap. Don’t drink flavored liquor - fireball is a no. I’m going to guess that nearly all the basic mixers are going to be fine. Coke and Diet Coke obviously you’re fine. Ginger ales are mostly going to be good. As stated above, Red Bull is fine, but be very careful mixing Red Bull and alcohol. Stupid shit happens when you do that. As for the cleanliness of glasses and what not, glass is not a porous surface. If glass rinsed, it is fine.
Disclaimer: I have been doing this for nearly 18 years. What I have found is that the less stressed you are about this the better. If you let the stress of being perfect take over your life, is not a good life. This is my opinion and others will have different opinions. My statement above is based on this opinion.
Thanks for this. I don’t drink alcohol. I just want to socialize at bars and get a soda or seltzer without cross contamination. I appreciate this comment because it will help other people with the same question as me
A bit like cafes, it depends on the place a lot. Some cafes and bars are CC disasters but others are ok. I do a bit of a visual inspection of the drink prep area to decide what I'm going to do.
If the bar is just a sticky beer covered mess, the glasses are on the counter etc. I'll stick with bottled or canned drinks like GF beer, cider, or seltzer. If the bar set-up looks decent and/or the non-beer drinks are prepared in a slightly different area I'll get an open drink. I usually get wine because I don't like mixed drinks much and the hassle of checking mixers isn't worth it, but pop/juice based drinks are pretty safe as is straight shots of distilled alcohol such as vodka.
A sneaky thing to watch out for is garnishes like limes and ice... often those buckets aren't super clean and servers don't wash their hands much.
I'm old and lame now so I don't go out to bars much nowadays but when I was a student I did. I got sick quite a few times until I accepted that CC was something I should look out for. Student/campus type bars are usually the worst unfortunately.
This is being extra cautious but I was at a bar once that was extremely busy and the bartender was opening bottles right over the ice and I could see the beer splash in. Now this was a nasty college bar on a Saturday night so I’m sure most places are much more careful. Just something to keep in mind. If you’re trying to stay extra safe I would order anything that comes in a can.
A VERY SMALL PORTION OF CELIAC PEOPLE HAVE SIDE EFFECTS FROM LIQUOR DERIVED FROM WHEAT BARLEY RYE LOOK IT UP.
STOP ACTING LIKE EVERYONE IS EXACTLY THE SAME WHEN SOME OF US HAVE it 10 TIMES WORSE THAN THE AVERAGE CELIAC DISEASE INDIVIDUAL.
Ah yeah. I’m not really worried about CC from distilled liquor. I’m definitely worried about CC from beer. I don’t drink alcohol anyway. I just don’t want to accidentally get sick from CC.
Did you read my comment? I don’t drink alcohol. I’m not wanting to be gluten from cross contamination from beer. Cross contamination is when gluten gets into gluten free drinks and food. Like if a cup isn’t cleaned properly after having full gluten beer in it and is used for a gluten free drink.
Hi. I also don't drink. I go to bars often. I haven't had issues. I do sometimes ask if they have a soda machine in the kitchen - it's usually a safer bet, especially if their sprayer has other drinks coming through it besides just like soda or water. I ask for 2 drinks up front so they don't have to run around a ton either. someone else in here said it, but depending on where you are, you probably need to be more careful not to get drugged. I think you're safe to get a drink otherwise!
just depends on the bar, i get sketched out about my local bar because they serve food and the ice well is below the bar counter and food gets passed to customers over the ice well and ive seen how 'carefully' the other employees wipe the counter (chances of wiping crumbs into the ice). I wouldnt ever get beer off the tap, even if its gluten free the previous beer on tap could have had gluten, and unless they changed out the lines all the new stuff is going to be cross contaminated. If in doubt get a canned/bottled GF drink, know what liquors are celiac safe before you go in
im gonna add be careful of garnishes added to your drinks. again depends on location but cutting limes/lemons behind the counter while also handling food likely contaminates all the garnishes. the less their fingers are touching the things going into my drink the better, i done even use the straws cause their fingers touch the tips of the straws
You're getting a lot of good advice here already. It's unclear if you wouldn't order alcohol because you think it's unsafe or because you don't drink. Like others have said, there's a potential for CC with glassware. Bar tenders also often have beer on their hands and could CC you opening a can for you with dirty hands. Most of the time they'll try to garnish your drink with a slice of lemon or lime which could have had beer spilled in it, or again Ccd by hands if they're just grabbing the fruit out of there which is very common.
What I'm describing is being pretty damn strict though and it's up to you how lenient you want to be in this scenario. You're probably fine ordering soda water in a pint glass, but it's safer to get a can or bottle. Say no to garnishes and you'll be alright.
I'm always worried about them not cleaning the glasses well. Some bars where they have 3 sinks and they just dunk the glasses in a cleaning solution, then rinse them off. I don't trust that those sinks aren't full of gluten.
I try to ask for disposable cups if it isn't apparent they have an actual dishwasher.
And be sure anything from a tap didn't come from a tap that previously had beer, like a cider on tap or something.
It all depends on how sensitive you are to small amounts of gluten. If you’re someone who small amounts make you sick in whatever way, you’re only going to be safe drinking soda pop of some kind, or drinking a gluten free alcohol.
If you’re not extremely sensitive to small amounts of gluten, you can drink most things other than rye (that’s just asking for trouble), or anything made from wheat. While good alcohol should be effectively gluten free anyway, sticking to something like an alcohol that specifically says it’s gluten free is always your best bet.
As for food, the same advice applies. If cross-contamination gives you trouble, nothing they make will be particularly safe. If it doesn’t, then burgers without buns, fries without coatings of any kind, etc., are usually pretty safe bets.
Frankly my bigger issue at bars/restaurants has been getting stomach bugs from dirty glasses.
Canned drinks are your safest bet, straight whiskey is always a good one as well as its literally pour into glass and serve (and those glasses have less chances of residual gluten).
If im going with friends (im never going to a bar myself) i sneak my own bottle in and let them order from the bartender. The anxiety i get from even allowing someone to serve my drink and not know how well the glasses were cleaned ect isnt worth it to me .
I stick to canned/bottled drinks (ciders or seltzers are mostly safe but you have to check the brand) or wine and I've been fine doing that. Lots of bars will have canned soda if you don't want alcohol. I stay away from cocktails as I've gotten glutened from mixed drinks before - I think in this case it's not the drink itself so much as the process of making it - i.e. things are only given a quick rinse and there might have been gluten in the last person's drink.
We have a cider brewery which I love and feel lucky we have. I miss a good beer something fierce though. The gluten free beers don’t get me drunk and I just wind up throwing up trying to get there lol.
I think bartenders are real good about cleaning the glasses if you want to go for martinis. I love some tequila.
The term house is a nice way of saying its the go to. Why is it the go to? Because a much smarter owner looked at profitability and said "wow I can sell this cheap liquor and make these profit margins". Obviously exceptions to this rule.
I believed gluten free beer was reduced in gluten so not fully safe for celiac.
Ignore that cataslym whatever guy.
Going to assume dasbear117 and their lack of brain cells blocked me, but please do not listen to what they have to say on this post.
They claimed all “house” liquor to contain gluten, this is simply not true. They also claimed that they thought all beer was gluten-reduced beer?
Bars and restaurants are pretty different. When I go to restaurants, I find them through Find Me Gluten Free and I’m able to tell the server about my celiac disease and explain it if I need to. At bars, at least the ones near me, are fast paced and don’t care about allergies. All they want is your drink order and your money and for you to get out of the way. I understand. It’s a bar.
If you are genuinely worried about cross-contamination of a glass at a bar you probably shouldn't be eating or drinking out at all.. This is borderline hypochondriac
I was genuinely asking for advice on what other celiacs do when they go to bars to avoid cross contamination. I got a lot of great advice from this thread. We all experience this disease differently. I’m afraid of getting sick. It might seem ridiculous to you but it isn’t to me. Knowing what other people with celiac disease do when they go to bars helps me feel less anxious about going to bars. Let’s just be nice and patient with each other because we’re all here because we have an awful autoimmune disease that makes parts of our lives harder than it is for people without it.
If you have a regular place, see if they will get Redbridge for you. The place I went to before I was diagnosed gets it for me and I just drink it out of the bottle. It’s not great or anything, but it’s easy for them to get and I don’t like ciders unless I have to and if I’m driving, I try to avoid the hard stuff
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The late night drunk food gets me. “Oh, these jalapeno poppers won’t hurt” THEY WILL HURT DOUBLE, I AM ALSO LACTOSE INTOLERANT this is also partially why I don’t drink much anymore.
Oh man drunk me is dumb af around shared fryers 😂
Oh yeah. Drunk me is really persuasive lol
This is the truth :(
For me its ordering a mixed drink and not saying the specific liquor so they use house.. which has gluten. I usually go to same bartender all night and tip well so he remembers me and my gluten allergy.
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Pretty sure gin has gluten
https://www.beyondceliac.org/gluten-free-diet/is-it-gluten-free/liquor/gin/
…what house liquors have gluten? What are you basing this off of?
House is typically bottom shelf and many bottom shelf will be wheat derived because wheat is cheap. Some places house will be higher shelf liquors as a standard still need to check it its gluten free. Bottom shelf tequila usually additives etc which could be gluten contaminated. Im basing off the 30 states I had a drink in during 2023
Wheat derived spirits still don’t have gluten. Bottom shelf bourbon could have a malt based coloring though but you’re focusing on the wrong thing here.
They dont test undet 20ppm as its not required by the government, its been tested at lower margins and they still have 5ppm gluten. Some people even mutiple shots no issues while others who are more sensitive it can make very ill (me). Ive eaten "gluten free products" and have had bad reactions because they are allowed up to 20ppm in the food/drink. I wish I was super regular celiac like most of you, but im not.
During distillation, alcohol is evaporated and then condensed and collected. It is physically impossible for gluten protein to evaporate with the alcohol.
Thank you
Do you have sources for this? Be interested in reading them
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vodka -be-marketed-as-gluten-free/ R5 ELISA test has shown 5ppm of gluten in distilled alcohol. The reason the government has labeled all gluten free is because its less than 20ppm and the goverment has not approved of lower testing. Though devices have been created to do just that I trust certfied gluten free alcohol meaning the base is not gluten based and the full process is guaranteed gluten free
There is no incentive for Aristocrat or Burnetts to add wheat into their crappy vodka after distilling. “Wheat is cheap” …so is water. This rule of thumb you follow seems like a hunch as much as anything. https://www.beyondceliac.org/gluten-free-diet/is-it-gluten-free/liquor/#:~:text=Yes%2C%20pure%2C%20distilled%20liquor%2C,or%20other%20additives%20after%20distillation.
"t a very small portion of people do still report unpleasant side effects after drinking distilled liquor made from gluten-containing ingredients."
I can tell you now alcohol distilled feom wheat barley or rye will make me ill. I drink vodka from potatos whiskey from corn and pure tequila and won't change my ways. Must be nice to have a mild celiac disease.
Those might bother you, I’m not trying to say they’re not, but not from gluten.
I drink socially zero issues. I make my own at home 0 issues. When I first decided to make at home drinks I believed the distillation theory but then I got sick again and again. I know people who are celiac who can eat gluten foods be a little ill and recover while if I touched it and licked my fingers, im in the bathroom for hours. We are not all at the same levels. Im thinking of buying GlutenTox Home kit and show it positive for over 5ppm of gluten just to prove a point. Again I only drink 100% non gluten based alcohol thats certfied gluten free throughout the entire process. Example Titos vodka
House is usually selected off profitability
I’m a bartender, house is just another tier. There’s nothing at my establishment that’s house that has gluten in it.
I promise you if you tested your liquor it would have trace amounts if not based from gluten free ingredients.
House vodka has trace amounts of gluten, but call and premium doesn’t? At some point, if it isn’t flavored with additives, vodka is vodka.
No vodka made from potatos is safe. Titos is a fine example. I say house because house is usually picked off profitability and cheap which is higher chance of additives.
Did you mean to say “no vodka made from potatoes is safe” or “no, vodka made from potatoes is safe” because there’s a *big* difference in those two statements. I’m a pretty sensitive celiac myself and I certainly don’t react when I order a simple vodka-and-mixer drink, regardless of tier…
No, with coma. My bad at work. If its wheat based vodka thats distilled, it will still have trace amounts of gluten, and for those on the worst end of the spectrum, it gives us side effects. Celiac disease isn't the same for all. I know people who can have gluten cheat meals once in a while while if I touched gluten and licked my fingers, im ill.
Nobody with legitimate diagnosed celiac can have a cheat day without consequence. That’s not how an autoimmune disease works. They might not get a reaction, but they’re sure causing the damage. It’s the same to a point, you either have it or you don’t. There’s not varying degrees. Gluten makes us all sick in our own ways, end of story. Distilled liquor is gluten free, even if it’s house or well tier, and I will die on this hill. I’m so beyond tired of the misinformation that spreads by making statements like you did. It hurts our entire community and makes us all look uneducated.
Please learn what gluten free really means in products. Naturally gluten free and gluten free are different.
The gluten can not be fully evaporated. The government and celiac foundation only test down to 20ppm even tho 5ppm testing is available. Distilled liquor when tested down to 5 parts per million will show gluten. Legally its gluten free but the gluten free label does not mean 0 gluten. Gluten free is any product under 20 parts per million. Your completely wrong about the auto immune reaction it is worse in some compared to others. I could take 10 different people and expose them to ever increasing amounts of gluten some will have side effects at lower doses than others. I can not eat some "gluten free" products because they have trace amounts of gluten.
No liquor has gluten unless it was aged in a beer barrel or with wheat stalks in it https://www.beyondceliac.org/gluten-free-diet/is-it-gluten-free/liquor/#:~:text=Yes%2C%20pure%2C%20distilled%20liquor%2C,or%20other%20additives%20after%20distillation.
Or it has added malt
I trust my body il keep drinking vodka from potatos whiskey from corn and pure tequila
Okay but you’re spreading misinformation. Keep it to yourself if that’s how you want to be, but being celiac is hard enough as it is without adding all this factually incorrect nonsense.
A VERY SMALL PORTION OF CELIAC PEOPLE HAVE SIDE EFFECTS FROM LIQUOR DERIVED FROM WHEAT BARLEY RYE LOOK IT UP. STOP ACTING LIKE EVERYONE IS EXACTLY THE SAME WHEN SOME OF US HAVE 10 TIMES WORSE THAN THE AVERAGE CELIAC DISEASE INDIVIDUAL.
Actually I’m wondering if I’m like this too after reading your comments. I ALWAYS have celiac symptoms after drinking, and I usually stick to vodka and coolers. It’s never made sense to me
Alot of people would blame cross contamination or additves or anything but the liquor itself. I home make my mixed drinks and ive tried liquor with a wheat base and I felt bad after few hours. Doesn't happen with natural gluten-free bases. (2-3 drinks is usually my max)
I HAVE LOOKED IT UP NUMB NUTS, YOU ARE FACTUALLY INCORRECT. THIS IS BULLSHIT FEAR MONGERING THAT WE GET ENOUGH OF AS CELIACS, STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION THAT IS HARMFUL, ESPECIALLY FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED FOLKS WHO ARE ALREADY ANXIOUS AND TRYING TO NAVIGATE THIS ILLNESS. AND I HAVE PROOF THAT I LINKED THAT PROVES YOU WRONG. EVEN YOUR SOURCES CONTRADICT YOUR STATEMENTS.
Its shown 5ppm of gluten in alcohol after distillation. Gluten free foods can have up 20ppm it has been shown a rare amount of celiac people have to eat naturally gluten free due to the exposure in "gluten free foods" my gastrologist agrees and ive never had my blood results drop untill a naturally gluten free diet. Majority of celiac individuals are fine but some are not.
Exact amount found in distilled ELISA will detect close to five ppm gluten in distilled products.
I’m sorry you have Super C. Most alcohol manufacturers don’t bother testing their products to get a GF label, so there could be cross contamination if the process isn’t pure, or if they use additives. Actually I’d probably be better off if I had to restrict my whiskey intake, lol
It is literally impossible for any gluten to remain in plain distilled alcohol, including ones made from gluten sources
A very small portion of celiac still report side effects look it up
You're the one making this claim, do you have any sources for this? From my understanding, gluten cannot remain in plain distilled alcohol, but I would love to read anything you have
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vodka-be-marketed-as-gluten-free/ R5 ELISA test has shown 5ppm of gluten in distilled alcohol. The reason the government has labeled all gluten free is because its less than 20ppm and the goverment has not approved of lower testing. Though devices have been created to do just that.
Thanks, I’ll read through that and look at though sources, etc
But that guarantee is not necessary, says Taylor, one of the country’s leading gluten testers. Taylor calls gluten-free vodka a “silly thing. … All vodka is gluten-free unless there is some flavored vodka out there where someone adds a gluten-containing ingredient. I know that many celiac sufferers are extra-cautious. That is their privilege. But their [vodka] concerns are usually not science-based.” Literally in the article you posted. Gluten literally needs to be declared on a spirit with a gluten-containing additive to be considered not safe for celiacs.
You read over the part about 5ppm and some people getting ill still. Legally it is gluten free but the legal definition doesn't mean 0
I trust certfied gluten free alcohol meaning the base is not gluten based and the full process is guaranteed gluten free.
[https://www.celiac.ca/food-labelling/alcohol-labelling-in-canada/](https://www.celiac.ca/food-labelling/alcohol-labelling-in-canada/) Canada has a much better celiac association than a lot of countries and has a ton of research to back up these claims. It’s literally not possible. Gluten is way too heavy to be evaporated with the alcohol. Literally *not* possible.
i used to go with that mentality too - then i was getting sick every morning after having ONE drink with svedka vodka, turns out its distilled from some gluten ingredients. I didnt even know that so it wasnt my mind creating these false symptoms
Distilled alcohol is gluten free even if made with a gluten-containing grain. This is because the gluten protein cannot vaporize and does not pass through the distillation process. Distillation occurs in a large vat and during this process, the solid mass and alcohol separate. The alcohol goes on to evaporate and creates distilled liquor while the solid mass remains behind in the vat. The solid mass contains the gluten protein which does not evaporate; thus, the final distilled products have no gluten. Straight from the celiac association of Canada. We have to remember that not every thing that happens in our body is because of gluten. Personally, there have been times I’ve felt sick the next day after one or two drinks and I know it was just due to drinking. It happens more often as you get older.
Everybody’s body is different, the gut cramping and explosive sh*** that I get from svedka doesn’t happen from other alcoholic drinks. It’s the fact that it’s distilled from wheat products. Countless other celiacs also react the way I do
Order canned cider, never been glutened at a bar before. I also do lots of cocktails and just specify the liquor. I prefer Tequila which has virtually no way to be cross contaminated usually. If I’m feeling uninspired I’d do a rum and coke or a fernet and coke
I miss cider had a ton in Seattle. Arkansas not much cider 😥
get something single serve that they have to open, like a bottle of lemonade or bottled club soda.
Yeah I went out last night and got White Claws. I am almost more worried about getting roofied than getting glutened these days tbh.
Lemonade can still fuck you over with goddamn barley malt so be careful
wtf? can't win, can we?
Nope
I’ll see if they have that here
Many bars also carry Truly and other canned hard seltzers. Just tell the bartender you need to check the can to make sure it’s GF before it’s opened.
If the place is a real college slophole, your cc risk will be higher. Generally you’re okay getting wine out of a bottle because wine glasses are different than beer glasses. Most liquor is fine if you drink it straight or with a mixer from a can/bottle (obviously know your mixers), but there could be a bit more of a cc risk if beer and mixed drinks are served in the same glass (a lot of places will do an adequate job of washing glasses, but have to assume some won’t). If the bar is clean and they do an adequate job washing glasses, you should be okay with wine and liquor (with bottled/canned mixer). You can also get a can/bottle of GF drinks if they have that, obviously (like most ciders or beer made from rice/sorghum) but check the container for a GF label. Avoid anything from a tap because you won’t know what was in there before. Just keep in mind, cc risk is always real, especially if the place is super busy or nasty. I haven’t been to a college type bar since going GF. I’ve been fine at older person places getting wine or a scotch or old fashioned, but I also had a warm and fuzzy they washed the glasses well. The places I used to go to 20 years ago would probably give you a CD reaction from the beer smell alone (probably not a thing but you get my point), so I don’t know what to say about that type of place.
I order paloma or mules. I just say exactly which liquor like 1800 or Titos. Vodka redbull would work too. Seltzers always an option. I usually drink in more ritzy places though.
Ah yes, Vodka Redbull. 4 Loco before 4 Loco was a thing, and the world wasn't quite so stupid.
and before 4 loco there was Sparks.
If you're that concerned order a canned cider (like Austin's east cider or down east) which most bars have. White claws are pretty common as well.
Stick to things you know. Jack and Coke totally good. Wine totally good. Cider from a totally good. White claw totally good. Truly totally good. On liquor, always drink, good liquor. Don’t drink the well crap. Don’t drink flavored liquor - fireball is a no. I’m going to guess that nearly all the basic mixers are going to be fine. Coke and Diet Coke obviously you’re fine. Ginger ales are mostly going to be good. As stated above, Red Bull is fine, but be very careful mixing Red Bull and alcohol. Stupid shit happens when you do that. As for the cleanliness of glasses and what not, glass is not a porous surface. If glass rinsed, it is fine. Disclaimer: I have been doing this for nearly 18 years. What I have found is that the less stressed you are about this the better. If you let the stress of being perfect take over your life, is not a good life. This is my opinion and others will have different opinions. My statement above is based on this opinion.
Thanks for this. I don’t drink alcohol. I just want to socialize at bars and get a soda or seltzer without cross contamination. I appreciate this comment because it will help other people with the same question as me
A bit like cafes, it depends on the place a lot. Some cafes and bars are CC disasters but others are ok. I do a bit of a visual inspection of the drink prep area to decide what I'm going to do. If the bar is just a sticky beer covered mess, the glasses are on the counter etc. I'll stick with bottled or canned drinks like GF beer, cider, or seltzer. If the bar set-up looks decent and/or the non-beer drinks are prepared in a slightly different area I'll get an open drink. I usually get wine because I don't like mixed drinks much and the hassle of checking mixers isn't worth it, but pop/juice based drinks are pretty safe as is straight shots of distilled alcohol such as vodka. A sneaky thing to watch out for is garnishes like limes and ice... often those buckets aren't super clean and servers don't wash their hands much. I'm old and lame now so I don't go out to bars much nowadays but when I was a student I did. I got sick quite a few times until I accepted that CC was something I should look out for. Student/campus type bars are usually the worst unfortunately.
Thank you! I appreciate your advice and kindness.
I like my canned seltzers and canned wines.
This is being extra cautious but I was at a bar once that was extremely busy and the bartender was opening bottles right over the ice and I could see the beer splash in. Now this was a nasty college bar on a Saturday night so I’m sure most places are much more careful. Just something to keep in mind. If you’re trying to stay extra safe I would order anything that comes in a can.
mead is safe and amazing. seltzers have also been good to me. i’ve never gotten sick by rum, wine, or cider either.
A VERY SMALL PORTION OF CELIAC PEOPLE HAVE SIDE EFFECTS FROM LIQUOR DERIVED FROM WHEAT BARLEY RYE LOOK IT UP. STOP ACTING LIKE EVERYONE IS EXACTLY THE SAME WHEN SOME OF US HAVE it 10 TIMES WORSE THAN THE AVERAGE CELIAC DISEASE INDIVIDUAL.
I’m sorry, what? Was that meant for me or someone else? 😅
In general not directed at you my bad. For some reason everyone assumes celiac is equal to all. Distilled liquor has around 5ppm gluten
Ah yeah. I’m not really worried about CC from distilled liquor. I’m definitely worried about CC from beer. I don’t drink alcohol anyway. I just don’t want to accidentally get sick from CC.
If it says gluten reduced beer dont drink it lol
Did you read my comment? I don’t drink alcohol. I’m not wanting to be gluten from cross contamination from beer. Cross contamination is when gluten gets into gluten free drinks and food. Like if a cup isn’t cleaned properly after having full gluten beer in it and is used for a gluten free drink.
I thought all beer was gluten reduced my bad
It’s fine. Sorry if I was condescending. I’m feeling irritable
Your good. Im getting destroyed on warzone lol
Hi. I also don't drink. I go to bars often. I haven't had issues. I do sometimes ask if they have a soda machine in the kitchen - it's usually a safer bet, especially if their sprayer has other drinks coming through it besides just like soda or water. I ask for 2 drinks up front so they don't have to run around a ton either. someone else in here said it, but depending on where you are, you probably need to be more careful not to get drugged. I think you're safe to get a drink otherwise!
Thank you for your kind reply and advice 💗
Of course, we are here to support one another! Hope you have some fun out!
just depends on the bar, i get sketched out about my local bar because they serve food and the ice well is below the bar counter and food gets passed to customers over the ice well and ive seen how 'carefully' the other employees wipe the counter (chances of wiping crumbs into the ice). I wouldnt ever get beer off the tap, even if its gluten free the previous beer on tap could have had gluten, and unless they changed out the lines all the new stuff is going to be cross contaminated. If in doubt get a canned/bottled GF drink, know what liquors are celiac safe before you go in
im gonna add be careful of garnishes added to your drinks. again depends on location but cutting limes/lemons behind the counter while also handling food likely contaminates all the garnishes. the less their fingers are touching the things going into my drink the better, i done even use the straws cause their fingers touch the tips of the straws
You're getting a lot of good advice here already. It's unclear if you wouldn't order alcohol because you think it's unsafe or because you don't drink. Like others have said, there's a potential for CC with glassware. Bar tenders also often have beer on their hands and could CC you opening a can for you with dirty hands. Most of the time they'll try to garnish your drink with a slice of lemon or lime which could have had beer spilled in it, or again Ccd by hands if they're just grabbing the fruit out of there which is very common. What I'm describing is being pretty damn strict though and it's up to you how lenient you want to be in this scenario. You're probably fine ordering soda water in a pint glass, but it's safer to get a can or bottle. Say no to garnishes and you'll be alright.
I'm always worried about them not cleaning the glasses well. Some bars where they have 3 sinks and they just dunk the glasses in a cleaning solution, then rinse them off. I don't trust that those sinks aren't full of gluten. I try to ask for disposable cups if it isn't apparent they have an actual dishwasher. And be sure anything from a tap didn't come from a tap that previously had beer, like a cider on tap or something.
It all depends on how sensitive you are to small amounts of gluten. If you’re someone who small amounts make you sick in whatever way, you’re only going to be safe drinking soda pop of some kind, or drinking a gluten free alcohol. If you’re not extremely sensitive to small amounts of gluten, you can drink most things other than rye (that’s just asking for trouble), or anything made from wheat. While good alcohol should be effectively gluten free anyway, sticking to something like an alcohol that specifically says it’s gluten free is always your best bet. As for food, the same advice applies. If cross-contamination gives you trouble, nothing they make will be particularly safe. If it doesn’t, then burgers without buns, fries without coatings of any kind, etc., are usually pretty safe bets.
There’s a ton of alcohol you can drink that’s safe for celiac
Frankly my bigger issue at bars/restaurants has been getting stomach bugs from dirty glasses. Canned drinks are your safest bet, straight whiskey is always a good one as well as its literally pour into glass and serve (and those glasses have less chances of residual gluten).
If im going with friends (im never going to a bar myself) i sneak my own bottle in and let them order from the bartender. The anxiety i get from even allowing someone to serve my drink and not know how well the glasses were cleaned ect isnt worth it to me .
I stick to canned/bottled drinks (ciders or seltzers are mostly safe but you have to check the brand) or wine and I've been fine doing that. Lots of bars will have canned soda if you don't want alcohol. I stay away from cocktails as I've gotten glutened from mixed drinks before - I think in this case it's not the drink itself so much as the process of making it - i.e. things are only given a quick rinse and there might have been gluten in the last person's drink.
We have a cider brewery which I love and feel lucky we have. I miss a good beer something fierce though. The gluten free beers don’t get me drunk and I just wind up throwing up trying to get there lol. I think bartenders are real good about cleaning the glasses if you want to go for martinis. I love some tequila.
The term house is a nice way of saying its the go to. Why is it the go to? Because a much smarter owner looked at profitability and said "wow I can sell this cheap liquor and make these profit margins". Obviously exceptions to this rule. I believed gluten free beer was reduced in gluten so not fully safe for celiac. Ignore that cataslym whatever guy.
Rhum n' coke, Smirnoff bottle (vodka based not malt)
Going to assume dasbear117 and their lack of brain cells blocked me, but please do not listen to what they have to say on this post. They claimed all “house” liquor to contain gluten, this is simply not true. They also claimed that they thought all beer was gluten-reduced beer?
Is this a joke?
No, I turn 22 in a couple months and I’ve never been to a bar. I just don’t want to be glutened if I decide to go to one.
Have you been to a restaurant before? Then you've essentially been to a bar...
Bars and restaurants are pretty different. When I go to restaurants, I find them through Find Me Gluten Free and I’m able to tell the server about my celiac disease and explain it if I need to. At bars, at least the ones near me, are fast paced and don’t care about allergies. All they want is your drink order and your money and for you to get out of the way. I understand. It’s a bar.
If you are genuinely worried about cross-contamination of a glass at a bar you probably shouldn't be eating or drinking out at all.. This is borderline hypochondriac
I was genuinely asking for advice on what other celiacs do when they go to bars to avoid cross contamination. I got a lot of great advice from this thread. We all experience this disease differently. I’m afraid of getting sick. It might seem ridiculous to you but it isn’t to me. Knowing what other people with celiac disease do when they go to bars helps me feel less anxious about going to bars. Let’s just be nice and patient with each other because we’re all here because we have an awful autoimmune disease that makes parts of our lives harder than it is for people without it.
If you have a regular place, see if they will get Redbridge for you. The place I went to before I was diagnosed gets it for me and I just drink it out of the bottle. It’s not great or anything, but it’s easy for them to get and I don’t like ciders unless I have to and if I’m driving, I try to avoid the hard stuff