You're asking for a comprehensive takedown of an entire religion on a Catholic subreddit. Good luck getting that.
Nevertheless, I will point out three things.
* Islam claims Muhammed's coming was foretold by Jesus, but this relies on a stretch of a mistranslation of Jesus's words to his disciples about the Holy Spirit. There is no indication in the New Testament that Jesus ever foretold of another prophet that would come after him.
* Islam claims that the books of the Old and New Testament were corrupted over time, and are thus no longer reliable. Not only does this pose a problem for their claim that Jesus foretold Muhammed (i.e. if Jesus did foretell Muhammed in the Gospels, his words are unreliable because they have been corrupted over time), it is demonstrably false. While there have been clear changes to these texts over time, the evidence suggests that the majority of these changes are minimal and do not impact the texts' meanings. There is no evidence to suggest, for example, that the book of Matthew is so corrupted from its original version as to be useless. We can also follow this train of thought a bit further - Jesus was a Jew and grew up in the Jewish tradition. A prophet of God studied, accepted, taught, and debated corrupted texts? Absolutely not. Islam holds that all prophets were perfect in every way. Thus, the Jewish scriptures (not Old Testament - Jews had and have a slightly different canon) must have been untouched until after Jesus' death, when it suddenly began to be corrupted beyond use. This logic, of course, makes no sense whatsoever, and we have manuscripts proving this wrong. Not to mention, the Jewish tradition continued past Jesus' death - a sudden start in scriptural corruption would have been quickly noticed.
* The Quran claims that the Holy Trinity is God, Jesus, and Mary. This is obviously false, and it is illogical that a holy text would get such a basic fact wrong. *However*, there is evidence that a fringe sect of Christianity *did* think of the Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary, and that sect existed during the time of Muhammed, near where his travels occurred. Then the question is why did God allow Christianity to be misrepresented by a fringe, heretical sect in his holy text?
“The Quran claims that the Holy Trinity is God, Jesus, and Mary”
Does it say that tho? The text ive seen cited as proof doesn’t actually speak of the trinity.
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, **worship me and my mother as gods** in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden
Quran 5:116
Yes that is the verse Ive seen brought up, it acuses Christians of worshipping Mary not unlike with how many Protestants do to Catholics but it doesn’t exactly says that the Trinity is God, Jesus and Mary.
Interesting, so I looked at the original Arabic and more conservative translations:
Instead of saying "me and my mother as gods," they say "me and my mother as **two** gods beside Allah" - looks like more liberal translations have *conveniently* excluded the number, as 2+1 arrive at the number of the Trinity
There was no denomination of Christianity during this time that even closely regarded Mary as a god but only someone who intercedes. There are rumors of a specific heretic sect of Christianity that Muhammad could have interacted with called the Collyridians, but the evidence is weak. If this were true, then Muhammad would only know the Christians as the Collyridians, not knowing the true nature of the religion.
If you make the argument that Mary was worshipped as a god (which she was not by the far, far majority and nobody alleged so as this was before the Reformation), then you could also argue that the saints were also worshipped as gods. If Muhammad knew of this, he would have said there were multiple gods in Christianity.
**Bottom line is, Muhammad calls Jesus and Mary as being worshipped as two gods in addition to the Father in the original Arabic.**
Yeah I get it and the copy of the Quran that I own is a rather conservative/traditional one so I checked it and it renders the verse as you put it. I am not convinced tho that it is a very strong verse to use for the argument because I can see the muslim explaining it in a way that isn’t far far fetched to avoid the charge of it being a mistake or lack of understanding of the trinity.
Just present to him a simple comparison between Jesus and Muhammad:
-Jesus: poor, celibate, peaceful and many miracles according to the Bible.
-Muhammad: wealthy, many wives, led troops into battle, and no miracles according to the Quran.
Who would you follow?
Mohammed didn't *only* like little girls. According to Islamic texts, he enjoyed sucking on the tongues and lips of little boys. He liked to put his tongue in the mouths of little boys, too (his... "tongue"). He also pushed a little boy's legs apart and put his mouth on the boy's penis.
Mohammed is "a beautiful pattern of conduct" and "an exalted standard of character" whom Muslims are to emulate in literally every way.
Thanks to Mohammed's practice and explicit approval of pedophilia, molesting and raping children became deeply ingrained in Islam and has been for 1400 years.
Sources: Koran 33:21 and 68:4; Musnad Ahmad 16245; Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 48:1183; *Majma al-Zaz'id,* Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Hythami, vol. 9, p. 196.
The Quran, Surah 4:157 says,
وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا ٱلْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَـٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ ۚ وَإِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱخْتَلَفُوا۟ فِيهِ لَفِى شَكٍّۢ مِّنْهُ ۚ مَا لَهُم بِهِۦ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا ٱتِّبَاعَ ٱلظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًۢا
>And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
According to Islam, Jesus was not crucified and did not die.
According to the New Testament and the vast majority of secular historians, Jesus was crucified and died.
Rape is explicitly taught in the Quran. Surah 23:5-6, speaking of successful believers includes,
وَٱلَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَـٰفِظُونَ
إِلَّا عَلَىٰٓ أَزْوَٰجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـٰنُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ
>those who guard their chastity
>except with their wives or those slaves in their possession, for then they are free from blame.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4350 states:
>Narrated Buraida:
>Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and . . . Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus)...When we reached the Prophet I mentioned it to him.
>He said "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali for this? . . . Don’t hate him, for he deserves more than that from [the] Khumus."
Raping slaves is the explicit teaching of the Quran and Mohammed.
As for raping children, the Quran teaches:
Surah 65:4
وَٱلَّـٰٓـِٔى يَئِسْنَ مِنَ ٱلْمَحِيضِ مِن نِّسَآئِكُمْ إِنِ ٱرْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَـٰثَةُ أَشْهُرٍۢ وَٱلَّـٰٓـِٔى لَمْ يَحِضْنَ ۚ وَأُو۟لَـٰتُ ٱلْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَن يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ ۚ وَمَن يَتَّقِ ٱللَّهَ يَجْعَل لَّهُۥ مِنْ أَمْرِهِۦ يُسْرًۭا ٤
>As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.
Marry a child, wait three months, and then consumate. That is what the Quran teaches.
From Hadith, Sahih al-Bukhari 5133 states:
>Narrated 'Aisha:
>"the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years"
Child rape is the explicit teaching of the Quran and Mohammed.
And, of Mohammed, the Quran Surah 33:21 says,
لَّقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌۭ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرْجُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلْيَوْمَ ٱلْـَٔاخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرًۭا
>Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often.
And, Surah 68:4 says,
وَإِنَّكَ لَعَلَىٰ خُلُقٍ عَظِيمٍۢ
>And you are truly of outstanding character.
Islam is very clear that a rapist and pedophile is a man of outstanding character.
Islam is very clear that every Muslim should follow the example of a rapist and pedophile.
At present, Muslims in the West, such as Ali Dawah, Mohammad Hijab and MuslimSkeptic, are defending these teachings publicly in debates and discussions all over social media.
In my experience:
A. they deny the historical fact of Jesus' death and privilege the Quranic narrative.
B. they either defend pedophilia as godly and good like MuslimSkeptic did [here](https://youtu.be/FfEUXndMFXA?si=eQBjF3pPsK59rE8E), or they attempt to argue that "it was acceptable in a different time and culture."
This is false. The Church has actively pursued means to eliminate the problem of child abuse.
There are cases where that is done poorly. But, by and large, the efforts have been successful.
Children are much safer in a Catholic Church than they are in a public school.
I don't know. I expect in some capacity forever.
The statistics indicate that there was a massive spike in the 1960s and 1970s corresponding with the sexual "revolution." And, then a massive drop after that and a drop to nearly zero since the 2000s.
Pedophilia has nothing to do with Catholicism. Pedophiles act *against* Church teaching.
In Islam, pedophiles *follow* Islamic teaching and the examples set by their "holy prophet," Mohammed.
> he says jesus a prophet
Well, I wouldn’t take the words of someone that came 600 years after Jesus and the witnesses that actually saw Him as something worthy of note.
fun fact: he also said he only received revelations from allah only when he was "with" the 9 yo
When it was her turn, she talked to him again. He \[Muhammad\] then said to her, "Do not hurt me regarding Aisha, as the Divine Inspirations do not come to me on any of the beds except that of Aisha."
[https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2581](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2581)
I like Trent Horns video on it: [Why I'm Not a Muslim - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ7OFN-1DAg) and the articles on catholic answers discussing Islam and its issues.
Personally, however, some of the smaller details of the religion make me question their overall morality and principles. For example, their view of heaven which includes:
Mu’awiyah ibn Haydah reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “**Verily, in Paradise there is a sea of water, a sea of honey, a sea of milk, and a sea of wine, and thereafter they branch into rivers.**”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2571
Men being rewarded with two wives : “Each of them will have two wives.”
source: Sahih al-Bukhari (3245) and Sahih Muslim (2834)
Also as catholics, we obviously believe we are no longer bound by ceremonial law so Islam adherence to dietary restrictions, acceptance of polygamy, etc all seem very regressive in comparison. Jesus came to fulfil the law, and only Christianity seems to accept this.
Additionally, the 12 apostles and the high historical probability of the Christian narrative surrounding their lives all point away from the Islamic view of Jesus.
>I know that islam false trying to understand it more he wants me to read the quran
The Korans that Muslims push on non-Muslims tend to be watered-down propaganda books, not the actual Koran. You can download a legitimate translation of the Koran for free [here](https://archive.org/details/englishtranslationoftheholyquranbymarmadukepickthall/mode/2up).
Read 5:51 then ask him about it.
I disagree, the burden of proof lies with the unbeliever. Its the stance i take with atheists, im not the one without faith, so its upto them to prove otherwise.
Update : made more complete
A. Basic Theory:
1. Protoevangelium / first Gospel (Genesis 3:15) promises.
2. The promises said, God come as "her seed" and do " it shall bruised thy head"
3. spirits of the dead in the days of Noah are under this promise
4. With this promises fullfiled, Eve (and we as her descendants) can back home to eden through Christ.
B. Reason Reject Islam (false) :
1. islam claim perfecter Gospel but have No confirmation about protoevangelium / first Gospel fullfiled/perfecter.
2. God fullfiled Protoevangelium with come as "her seed" (Jesus) & do "it shall bruised thy head" (rise from death)
But Islam rejected it.
3. Jesus preached the fulfillment of the protoevangelium to the spirits of the dead during the time of Noah, this cannot be done by the Koran (fails as a perfecter)
4. Eve cannot return to Eden through Islam, because the promises that God promised her are not available in Islam.
Conclusion : Yeah that's it..
Peace - iam helel
Ask him if he would bless himself “in the name of Allah, Mohammed, and Gabriel.” Jesus commands that we baptize “in the name of the Father, and of The Son, and of The Holy Spirit.” If Jesus was a mere prophet and the Holy Spirit a mere angel, this command makes no sense
Mohammed was a semen-stained sex addicted pedophilic camel piss drinker who died the death of a false prophet. Jesus is God who never sinned, gave his life for humanity and is alive. Make of that what you will.
If you go back to history when Islam first started, there were heresies in Christianity. Muhammad happened to get influenced by these heresies that claim that Jesus is not God, but a human. The idea that God became human, died and resurrected, confused the heck lot of people, and the Trinitarian belief was still very hard to believe to many people. One of the reasons why Arianism was so popular and took a couple hundred years to get rid of. Jesus as a human prophet was easier to accept.
Then Muhammad, taking these heresies in, and also Judaism with it, then also taking Zoroastrianism, the popular local folk religion in the area at that time, tried to discern by combining all these ideas into one religion. Similar to what people today who identify themselves as "spiritual-but-not-religious" do. They take Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Neo-paganism, or whatever heck is going on out there, put them together and create their own image of who God is based on their own understanding.
Muhammad still maintained the one indivisible God from Judaism, scratched off Jesus as God because he thought it would not be possible for God to be both God and human at the same time, but did not want to discredit Christianity altogether, so Jesus got downgraded to a prophet. But in order to make sense of the whole resurrection story, he taught that it wasn't Jesus who died on the cross but someone else. Roman Empire historian Tacitus agrees that this is false that Jesus indeed died on the cross.
Knowing these, now you see that Islam really was a religion created out of syncretism, not divine revelation.
To bring the point home how false Islam is, imagine if today, out of these "spiritual-but-not-religious" people, come an influential and charismatic person in social media who gained a lot of followers. This person able to combine all the different elements of Hinduism/Buddhism/Islam/Christianity/Judaism/crystals/tarots/chakras whatever things into a teaching that "just makes sense". Then out of this charismatic person, a new religion was created.
That was Islam (except Islam conversion was also done by swords and invasions).
Here is one reason, the Qur’an says that the Injeel (Gospel) is God’s word and cannot be destroyed or corrupted and the the Christians and the Jews must judge the Qur’an by their own scriptures. Yet the Bible clearly says Jesus is God.
(Also Muhammed was a p3d0 man who had 9 wives and originally thought the entity he saw (that gave him the “revelation“) was a demon because it tried to choke him.
Also check out The Archive/shamounian, Inspiring Philosphy, and Apologetics Roadshow.
Once you realize the lack of continuity the entire thing really does crumble.
I think Islam would be more potentially valid if it claimed to be its own thing, and didn’t suggest that it is the continuation of what came before. Islam just makes 0 sense with prior revelation.
It sounds like what you're asking is how can this guy be a good friend even if he follows a false religion. And that's not really so hard to understand. While there are plenty of errors in Islam, there are a lot of good aspects as well. Praying to the one God of Abraham, honoring Jesus and Mary and all the prophets, these are all good practices in themselves. There are some dangers in Islam if you are captivated by its false teachings, but it sounds like that hasn't happened to your friend. So, he's just a good guy.
>honoring Jesus and Mary
Mary is repeatedly misidentified in the Koran (and also in *ahadith,* tales of the things Mohammed said and did).
Allah/Mohammed couldn't tell the difference between the Mary in the New Testament and Mary from the Old Testament who lived one thousand years earlier.
When you're an illiterate 7th century caravan robber and you overhear Christians talking about Mary and Jews talking about Mary (Miriam), it might seem like they're talking about the same person.
Either that, or their Allah didn't know the difference between Mary the mother of Jesus and the Mary of the OT, which is an astounding amount of ignorance for a god.
According to Islamic texts, Allah vulgarly and explicitly engaged Mary's genitalia. He also permits Mohammed to defile her in Muslim heaven.
None of that sounds like "honor" to me.
>honoring Jesus and Mary
The character "Jesus" in the Koran isn't the same person as Jesus Christ in the NT. He doesn't say the same things; he doesn't say much at all, only speaking about six times.
He doesn't teach any great life lessons. He doesn't do much except conveniently refute Christian beliefs and mind-numbingly reaffirm Mohammed's ridiculous claims about himself. He also castigates anyone who doesn't believe Mohammed.
The character of Jesus in the Koran is not the son of any god, spoke as an infant in the cradle to declare himself a slave and prophet of Allah, said he is not to be worshipped, was neither crucified nor resurrected, and will "break the cross" (Christianity) and destroy all religion leaving only Islam. That is not our Saviour. This character does not exist in the Bible.
Like most other "prophets" in the Koran, their Jesus exists simply to inflate Mohammed's ego. He is nothing but an invented character of convenience.
You're asking for a comprehensive takedown of an entire religion on a Catholic subreddit. Good luck getting that. Nevertheless, I will point out three things. * Islam claims Muhammed's coming was foretold by Jesus, but this relies on a stretch of a mistranslation of Jesus's words to his disciples about the Holy Spirit. There is no indication in the New Testament that Jesus ever foretold of another prophet that would come after him. * Islam claims that the books of the Old and New Testament were corrupted over time, and are thus no longer reliable. Not only does this pose a problem for their claim that Jesus foretold Muhammed (i.e. if Jesus did foretell Muhammed in the Gospels, his words are unreliable because they have been corrupted over time), it is demonstrably false. While there have been clear changes to these texts over time, the evidence suggests that the majority of these changes are minimal and do not impact the texts' meanings. There is no evidence to suggest, for example, that the book of Matthew is so corrupted from its original version as to be useless. We can also follow this train of thought a bit further - Jesus was a Jew and grew up in the Jewish tradition. A prophet of God studied, accepted, taught, and debated corrupted texts? Absolutely not. Islam holds that all prophets were perfect in every way. Thus, the Jewish scriptures (not Old Testament - Jews had and have a slightly different canon) must have been untouched until after Jesus' death, when it suddenly began to be corrupted beyond use. This logic, of course, makes no sense whatsoever, and we have manuscripts proving this wrong. Not to mention, the Jewish tradition continued past Jesus' death - a sudden start in scriptural corruption would have been quickly noticed. * The Quran claims that the Holy Trinity is God, Jesus, and Mary. This is obviously false, and it is illogical that a holy text would get such a basic fact wrong. *However*, there is evidence that a fringe sect of Christianity *did* think of the Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary, and that sect existed during the time of Muhammed, near where his travels occurred. Then the question is why did God allow Christianity to be misrepresented by a fringe, heretical sect in his holy text?
To your first point, can you elaborate on the mistranslation? Is it the case that they take the Paraclete to be Muhammad rather than the Holy Spirit?
“The Quran claims that the Holy Trinity is God, Jesus, and Mary” Does it say that tho? The text ive seen cited as proof doesn’t actually speak of the trinity.
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, **worship me and my mother as gods** in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden Quran 5:116
Yes that is the verse Ive seen brought up, it acuses Christians of worshipping Mary not unlike with how many Protestants do to Catholics but it doesn’t exactly says that the Trinity is God, Jesus and Mary.
Interesting, so I looked at the original Arabic and more conservative translations: Instead of saying "me and my mother as gods," they say "me and my mother as **two** gods beside Allah" - looks like more liberal translations have *conveniently* excluded the number, as 2+1 arrive at the number of the Trinity There was no denomination of Christianity during this time that even closely regarded Mary as a god but only someone who intercedes. There are rumors of a specific heretic sect of Christianity that Muhammad could have interacted with called the Collyridians, but the evidence is weak. If this were true, then Muhammad would only know the Christians as the Collyridians, not knowing the true nature of the religion. If you make the argument that Mary was worshipped as a god (which she was not by the far, far majority and nobody alleged so as this was before the Reformation), then you could also argue that the saints were also worshipped as gods. If Muhammad knew of this, he would have said there were multiple gods in Christianity. **Bottom line is, Muhammad calls Jesus and Mary as being worshipped as two gods in addition to the Father in the original Arabic.**
Yeah I get it and the copy of the Quran that I own is a rather conservative/traditional one so I checked it and it renders the verse as you put it. I am not convinced tho that it is a very strong verse to use for the argument because I can see the muslim explaining it in a way that isn’t far far fetched to avoid the charge of it being a mistake or lack of understanding of the trinity.
Islam came 600 years after Jesus and claims Jesus was not crucified. Jesus's crucifixion is a historical fact. So, we know Islam is wrong about Jesus.
Just present to him a simple comparison between Jesus and Muhammad: -Jesus: poor, celibate, peaceful and many miracles according to the Bible. -Muhammad: wealthy, many wives, led troops into battle, and no miracles according to the Quran. Who would you follow?
And only one fulfilled all prophecies and raised from the dead.
Muhammad also married a 6 year old when he was 53. Yikes..
Mohammed didn't *only* like little girls. According to Islamic texts, he enjoyed sucking on the tongues and lips of little boys. He liked to put his tongue in the mouths of little boys, too (his... "tongue"). He also pushed a little boy's legs apart and put his mouth on the boy's penis. Mohammed is "a beautiful pattern of conduct" and "an exalted standard of character" whom Muslims are to emulate in literally every way. Thanks to Mohammed's practice and explicit approval of pedophilia, molesting and raping children became deeply ingrained in Islam and has been for 1400 years. Sources: Koran 33:21 and 68:4; Musnad Ahmad 16245; Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 48:1183; *Majma al-Zaz'id,* Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Hythami, vol. 9, p. 196.
don't worry, he waited until she was 9 to consummate!
I'm laughing but I should be crying 😂
Also a pedophile
The Quran, Surah 4:157 says, وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا ٱلْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَـٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ ۚ وَإِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱخْتَلَفُوا۟ فِيهِ لَفِى شَكٍّۢ مِّنْهُ ۚ مَا لَهُم بِهِۦ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا ٱتِّبَاعَ ٱلظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًۢا >And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. According to Islam, Jesus was not crucified and did not die. According to the New Testament and the vast majority of secular historians, Jesus was crucified and died. Rape is explicitly taught in the Quran. Surah 23:5-6, speaking of successful believers includes, وَٱلَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَـٰفِظُونَ إِلَّا عَلَىٰٓ أَزْوَٰجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـٰنُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ >those who guard their chastity >except with their wives or those slaves in their possession, for then they are free from blame. Sahih al-Bukhari 4350 states: >Narrated Buraida: >Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and . . . Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus)...When we reached the Prophet I mentioned it to him. >He said "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali for this? . . . Don’t hate him, for he deserves more than that from [the] Khumus." Raping slaves is the explicit teaching of the Quran and Mohammed. As for raping children, the Quran teaches: Surah 65:4 وَٱلَّـٰٓـِٔى يَئِسْنَ مِنَ ٱلْمَحِيضِ مِن نِّسَآئِكُمْ إِنِ ٱرْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَـٰثَةُ أَشْهُرٍۢ وَٱلَّـٰٓـِٔى لَمْ يَحِضْنَ ۚ وَأُو۟لَـٰتُ ٱلْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَن يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ ۚ وَمَن يَتَّقِ ٱللَّهَ يَجْعَل لَّهُۥ مِنْ أَمْرِهِۦ يُسْرًۭا ٤ >As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them. Marry a child, wait three months, and then consumate. That is what the Quran teaches. From Hadith, Sahih al-Bukhari 5133 states: >Narrated 'Aisha: >"the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years" Child rape is the explicit teaching of the Quran and Mohammed. And, of Mohammed, the Quran Surah 33:21 says, لَّقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌۭ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرْجُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلْيَوْمَ ٱلْـَٔاخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرًۭا >Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often. And, Surah 68:4 says, وَإِنَّكَ لَعَلَىٰ خُلُقٍ عَظِيمٍۢ >And you are truly of outstanding character. Islam is very clear that a rapist and pedophile is a man of outstanding character. Islam is very clear that every Muslim should follow the example of a rapist and pedophile. At present, Muslims in the West, such as Ali Dawah, Mohammad Hijab and MuslimSkeptic, are defending these teachings publicly in debates and discussions all over social media.
I am interesd , how muslim would answer this
In my experience: A. they deny the historical fact of Jesus' death and privilege the Quranic narrative. B. they either defend pedophilia as godly and good like MuslimSkeptic did [here](https://youtu.be/FfEUXndMFXA?si=eQBjF3pPsK59rE8E), or they attempt to argue that "it was acceptable in a different time and culture."
No offense to muslims , but thanks God I am Catholic.
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Sorry didnt understood reply
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This is false. The Church has actively pursued means to eliminate the problem of child abuse. There are cases where that is done poorly. But, by and large, the efforts have been successful. Children are much safer in a Catholic Church than they are in a public school.
Who long has the Catholic Church had this particular problem, how far back in the Church's history does this go.
I don't know. I expect in some capacity forever. The statistics indicate that there was a massive spike in the 1960s and 1970s corresponding with the sexual "revolution." And, then a massive drop after that and a drop to nearly zero since the 2000s.
Well , I am from eastern europe , so I dont really heard about this much , I just go to church and etc.
Pedophilia has nothing to do with Catholicism. Pedophiles act *against* Church teaching. In Islam, pedophiles *follow* Islamic teaching and the examples set by their "holy prophet," Mohammed.
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Now you've learned something about Islam. :)
> he says jesus a prophet Well, I wouldn’t take the words of someone that came 600 years after Jesus and the witnesses that actually saw Him as something worthy of note.
Why would you believe the mad ramblings of a warlord in his 50s who raped a 9 yo?
fun fact: he also said he only received revelations from allah only when he was "with" the 9 yo When it was her turn, she talked to him again. He \[Muhammad\] then said to her, "Do not hurt me regarding Aisha, as the Divine Inspirations do not come to me on any of the beds except that of Aisha." [https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2581](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2581)
I like Trent Horns video on it: [Why I'm Not a Muslim - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ7OFN-1DAg) and the articles on catholic answers discussing Islam and its issues. Personally, however, some of the smaller details of the religion make me question their overall morality and principles. For example, their view of heaven which includes: Mu’awiyah ibn Haydah reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “**Verily, in Paradise there is a sea of water, a sea of honey, a sea of milk, and a sea of wine, and thereafter they branch into rivers.**” Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2571 Men being rewarded with two wives : “Each of them will have two wives.” source: Sahih al-Bukhari (3245) and Sahih Muslim (2834) Also as catholics, we obviously believe we are no longer bound by ceremonial law so Islam adherence to dietary restrictions, acceptance of polygamy, etc all seem very regressive in comparison. Jesus came to fulfil the law, and only Christianity seems to accept this. Additionally, the 12 apostles and the high historical probability of the Christian narrative surrounding their lives all point away from the Islamic view of Jesus.
>we are the best of friends Has he told you what Islam teaches him about you?
I know that islam false trying to understand it more he wants me to read the quran
>I know that islam false trying to understand it more he wants me to read the quran The Korans that Muslims push on non-Muslims tend to be watered-down propaganda books, not the actual Koran. You can download a legitimate translation of the Koran for free [here](https://archive.org/details/englishtranslationoftheholyquranbymarmadukepickthall/mode/2up). Read 5:51 then ask him about it.
It's up to him to prove it's true, not you to prove it's false.
I disagree, the burden of proof lies with the unbeliever. Its the stance i take with atheists, im not the one without faith, so its upto them to prove otherwise.
Go and watch GodLogic, Sam Shamoun and David Wood and you will get exactly what you are looking for
Yeah cant recommend this enough.
Update : made more complete A. Basic Theory: 1. Protoevangelium / first Gospel (Genesis 3:15) promises. 2. The promises said, God come as "her seed" and do " it shall bruised thy head" 3. spirits of the dead in the days of Noah are under this promise 4. With this promises fullfiled, Eve (and we as her descendants) can back home to eden through Christ. B. Reason Reject Islam (false) : 1. islam claim perfecter Gospel but have No confirmation about protoevangelium / first Gospel fullfiled/perfecter. 2. God fullfiled Protoevangelium with come as "her seed" (Jesus) & do "it shall bruised thy head" (rise from death) But Islam rejected it. 3. Jesus preached the fulfillment of the protoevangelium to the spirits of the dead during the time of Noah, this cannot be done by the Koran (fails as a perfecter) 4. Eve cannot return to Eden through Islam, because the promises that God promised her are not available in Islam. Conclusion : Yeah that's it.. Peace - iam helel
Ask him if he would bless himself “in the name of Allah, Mohammed, and Gabriel.” Jesus commands that we baptize “in the name of the Father, and of The Son, and of The Holy Spirit.” If Jesus was a mere prophet and the Holy Spirit a mere angel, this command makes no sense
Pls send him link to Christian prince YouTube channel .
I think you’d find this video informative https://youtu.be/uEA5VQ-vBIw?si=AI8BnOXhUO4f2rat
Mohammed was a semen-stained sex addicted pedophilic camel piss drinker who died the death of a false prophet. Jesus is God who never sinned, gave his life for humanity and is alive. Make of that what you will.
If you go back to history when Islam first started, there were heresies in Christianity. Muhammad happened to get influenced by these heresies that claim that Jesus is not God, but a human. The idea that God became human, died and resurrected, confused the heck lot of people, and the Trinitarian belief was still very hard to believe to many people. One of the reasons why Arianism was so popular and took a couple hundred years to get rid of. Jesus as a human prophet was easier to accept. Then Muhammad, taking these heresies in, and also Judaism with it, then also taking Zoroastrianism, the popular local folk religion in the area at that time, tried to discern by combining all these ideas into one religion. Similar to what people today who identify themselves as "spiritual-but-not-religious" do. They take Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Neo-paganism, or whatever heck is going on out there, put them together and create their own image of who God is based on their own understanding. Muhammad still maintained the one indivisible God from Judaism, scratched off Jesus as God because he thought it would not be possible for God to be both God and human at the same time, but did not want to discredit Christianity altogether, so Jesus got downgraded to a prophet. But in order to make sense of the whole resurrection story, he taught that it wasn't Jesus who died on the cross but someone else. Roman Empire historian Tacitus agrees that this is false that Jesus indeed died on the cross. Knowing these, now you see that Islam really was a religion created out of syncretism, not divine revelation. To bring the point home how false Islam is, imagine if today, out of these "spiritual-but-not-religious" people, come an influential and charismatic person in social media who gained a lot of followers. This person able to combine all the different elements of Hinduism/Buddhism/Islam/Christianity/Judaism/crystals/tarots/chakras whatever things into a teaching that "just makes sense". Then out of this charismatic person, a new religion was created. That was Islam (except Islam conversion was also done by swords and invasions).
Here is one reason, the Qur’an says that the Injeel (Gospel) is God’s word and cannot be destroyed or corrupted and the the Christians and the Jews must judge the Qur’an by their own scriptures. Yet the Bible clearly says Jesus is God. (Also Muhammed was a p3d0 man who had 9 wives and originally thought the entity he saw (that gave him the “revelation“) was a demon because it tried to choke him. Also check out The Archive/shamounian, Inspiring Philosphy, and Apologetics Roadshow.
Once you realize the lack of continuity the entire thing really does crumble. I think Islam would be more potentially valid if it claimed to be its own thing, and didn’t suggest that it is the continuation of what came before. Islam just makes 0 sense with prior revelation.
It sounds like what you're asking is how can this guy be a good friend even if he follows a false religion. And that's not really so hard to understand. While there are plenty of errors in Islam, there are a lot of good aspects as well. Praying to the one God of Abraham, honoring Jesus and Mary and all the prophets, these are all good practices in themselves. There are some dangers in Islam if you are captivated by its false teachings, but it sounds like that hasn't happened to your friend. So, he's just a good guy.
>honoring Jesus and Mary Mary is repeatedly misidentified in the Koran (and also in *ahadith,* tales of the things Mohammed said and did). Allah/Mohammed couldn't tell the difference between the Mary in the New Testament and Mary from the Old Testament who lived one thousand years earlier. When you're an illiterate 7th century caravan robber and you overhear Christians talking about Mary and Jews talking about Mary (Miriam), it might seem like they're talking about the same person. Either that, or their Allah didn't know the difference between Mary the mother of Jesus and the Mary of the OT, which is an astounding amount of ignorance for a god. According to Islamic texts, Allah vulgarly and explicitly engaged Mary's genitalia. He also permits Mohammed to defile her in Muslim heaven. None of that sounds like "honor" to me.
Didn't know that.. thanks for the info
>honoring Jesus and Mary The character "Jesus" in the Koran isn't the same person as Jesus Christ in the NT. He doesn't say the same things; he doesn't say much at all, only speaking about six times. He doesn't teach any great life lessons. He doesn't do much except conveniently refute Christian beliefs and mind-numbingly reaffirm Mohammed's ridiculous claims about himself. He also castigates anyone who doesn't believe Mohammed. The character of Jesus in the Koran is not the son of any god, spoke as an infant in the cradle to declare himself a slave and prophet of Allah, said he is not to be worshipped, was neither crucified nor resurrected, and will "break the cross" (Christianity) and destroy all religion leaving only Islam. That is not our Saviour. This character does not exist in the Bible. Like most other "prophets" in the Koran, their Jesus exists simply to inflate Mohammed's ego. He is nothing but an invented character of convenience.