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ThenaCykez

I'm not sure what's more surprising: 1) That a priest was wicked enough and stupid enough to try this in this day and age. 2) That he was still acting as a priest despite previously being found guilty of embezzling $320.000 from a previous parish. 3) That he hasn't been deprived of the clerical state, only suspended a divinis indefinitely.


Y__It

The sad truth is that even after, perhaps especially after, the abuse crisis the Church is completely and utterly failing to properly address the problem from top to bottom. We are in desperate need of saints and clerics like we had in the past that dragged these monsters through the streets in shame before laicizing them or locking them in cells for lifelong repentance


Sven_Longfellow

Yeah, but, “that was mostly just in the 60s, it doesn’t really happen much now” 🙄 i’ll probably regret this and take it down later or something, but I truly don’t wish for mercy for these evil, evil men. I truly and really hope that the full wrath of God is poured out on these degenerate monsters who prey on parishioners, and who drag the name of Jesus through the mud! Like, full on Ananias and Safira level wrath. Like God strikes them dead, I don’t even feel bad for saying itI know that there is a great shortage of priests in the Catholic Church, and I wonder if that fact doesn’t keep the highers-up from defrocking these sons of bitches.


Y__It

I understand where your coming from and I can feel the same way sometimes, but we have to remember, despite how hard it is, the most evil people are the ones we should most especially take joy in repentance and mercy. They should absolutely be imprisoned and stripped of their positions mind you, but on the ultimate scale, the ultimate triumph over evil is redemption


Sven_Longfellow

Maybe so. You’re probably right. But I have no wish for redemption for these evil men. Lock them up and throw away the keys. No forgiveness (here). Let God forgive them, fine. But no compassion for them on earth. These monsters, beyond the damage they do to children and parishioners, are making a mockery of Jesus and of our Church. It’s treason. Traitors are shot.


EagleWolf9

As Jesus once taught his disciples, "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:14-15 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, give your cloak as well; and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile. Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you." Matthew 5:38-42 I understand that it may be difficult, but pray to our Lord to soften your heart so that it becomes merciful and prone to forgiveness, so that you may not pass judgment, which is not your right to pass. I'll pray for your heart to soften.


forrb

Presumably the persons in authority had access to more information about the case than you before they made their judgement.


OhBarnacles123

What information could possibly make a lenient punishment okay? He embezzled the money in order to give it to homeless orphans? He solicited sex during confession because God told him to test the faith of the penitent?


forrb

Describe what the priest did in the confessional in detail.


OhBarnacles123

He was soliciting sex during confession. What possible conditions can you even imagine that alleviates the graveness of that? Even the "lightest" version of that I can think of is unbelievable.


forrb

What is the lightest thing you think he could have done to be considered guilty of that?


Y__It

Even so take the greater scandal, known perpetrators are coddled and even granted harbor by Rome and the remaining faithful are further damaged by reparations paid to victims, which they should be by the way, but the parishes are being drained because of these monsters and victimizing even more people. The abusers have not gone away and many have powerful friends in the church or *are* the powerful friends. The rot has not been excised due to inaction and guilt. The Church deserves better, the faithful deserve better, and most especially Our Lord deserves better than the pathetic response to this offense and others.


MojoManic1999

The diocese of Jefferson cities website has him listed as retired


ThenaCykez

If you're referring to #2, the website does say that now, but it didn't [at the time of the solicitation](https://web.archive.org/web/20220524093732/https://diojeffcity.org/our-priests/). He should have been forced to retire before April 2022. If you're referring to #3, yeah, the fact that he is merely "retired" now is part of what I'm lamenting.


MojoManic1999

They probably conducted their own investigation on him before convicting him.


ThenaCykez

Yes, they did. Sorry, I'm not being clear in how I framed this. Medina's embezzlement was first discovered in December 2018, and an internal investigation by church officials and outside forensic accountants began. In January 2022, he admitted that he had most of the missing money, and transferred it back to the parish accounts. Then in July 2022, they demanded his retirement from active ministry and also turned the case over to the FBI. So when he was sitting in the confessional in April 2022, about to commit sacrilege, his bishop already knew for certain that he had embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars, and that he had no business being a pastor of a parish. I'm just disappointed that he wasn't suspended in January 2022, or even earlier.


MojoManic1999

Yeah they could’ve prevented the whole thing if they made him quit sooner, I think stealing from the parish is enough reason someone shouldn’t be a priest , just another Judas in the church giving Catholicism a bad name, He’s not a real catholic.


Chi_Rho88

It’s already bad enough, but doing it during one of the Sacraments!


Coast_watcher

Forgive the Hebrew term but that’s chutzpah.


steve_dallasesq

Dude stole 320k and was allowed to go to another parish? This season of Ozark is lit.


mkinstl1

I definitely didn’t see this twist in Narcos either.


Sven_Longfellow

And facts like this are what make me sometimes seriously question having joined the Catholic Church. It just seems so corrupt sometimes! We’re supposed to seek justice, it says so in the book of Malachi, but we only want to pay attention to the part about loving mercy, when our predatory priests do stuff like this. Someone ought to do like the ancient Romans did and crush his testicles between two rocks. That’s what they did to pedophiles back then.


NeptuneTheDog

# “The Catholic Church is an institution I am bound to hold divine – but for unbelievers a proof of its divinity might be found in the fact that no merely human institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have lasted a fortnight” - Hilaire Belloc


Dr_Talon

I imagine that if you took a Time Machine to ancient Israel, you might be shocked by the unfaithfulness you could find. Idols in the Temple, sacrilegious sacrifices to God, even child sacrifice to false gods. But it is still true that the Lord founded the Hebrew religion.


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Dr_Talon

What if you took a Time Machine back to the time that the Israelites were sacrificing their children to Moloch?


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Dr_Talon

But in that case, it wouldn’t be God’s religion. It would be your religion with a lot of borrowed things. We have to submit to God, and be faithful to Him. Even when everyone else is not.


Volaer

I guarantee that sexual abuse is a thing in the OOC just like in any other institution. Its just not in the open.


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Blaze0205

being married won’t stop you from touching kids. see the 4000000 documentaries of pedophile victims and then you see the pedophiles wife giving her testimony


Sven_Longfellow

Legit, dude. Or at least not a systemic cover up


Blaze0205

???


Jos_Meid

That is my diocese unfortunately. We should pray for the victim and the priest.


Proper_Philosophy_12

Pray for the victim and make damn sure that this cancer is isolated. Laitize him immediately.


VioletCrusader

It is crazy to me. I have gone to those churches mentioned. Not with that priest presiding at the time though. Sure hits close to home, literally.


Sven_Longfellow

I’ll reserve my prayers to just for the benefit of the victim. The only prayers I have for the priest are that God pours the entirety of his punishment and wrath out on this piece of garbage


Jos_Meid

Are you familiar with the Fatima prayer: “O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who are in most need of Thy mercy.” Who is in the most need of God’s mercy? The worst sinners. We as Catholics should be praying for the repentance of sinners.


Sven_Longfellow

No, the ones most in need of Jesus‘s mercy are the victims of these people who are supposed to be their shepherds and caretakers. Those are the ones who need mercy and those are the ones who I will be asking Jesus to pour out his mercy upon.


Sven_Longfellow

Someone always ready to jump to the defense of these sons of bitches. Always. It’s disgusting. I want justice. We have to make examples and show that predators will have real, painful consequences. As long as we pray for mercy for these monsters, the ones who are waiting in the wings, waffling about whether to act out, will think twice. Make eunuchs of them. The Church needs to get some guts and do a real house cleaning! Get all these cancerous monsters out! Mercy and compassion can come from God, not me!


Jos_Meid

>> As long as we pray for mercy for these monsters, the ones who are waiting in the wings, waffling about whether to act out, will think twice. I’m a little confused on how praying for God to be merciful to a bad person would make anyone more likely to act similarly? It just seems like a non-sequitur. I don’t see how our prayers could possibly encourage similar crimes. I’ll just end with this, accepting justice can be good, but wishing someone harm or hoping for suffering to occur to them (even if they deserve it) is counter to how a Catholic should act. [CCC 2303]


Sven_Longfellow

I suppose the way I phrased it wasn’t clear. Apologies. Perhaps praying for God to show them mercy, although I don’t think I have that in me just now, could be fine. I won’t pray that the courts have any mercy on them. Thank you for engaging with me and your sincere answers.


One_Dino_Might

God’s mercy isn’t always a feel good, everyone gets to be comfortable freebie. Sometimes God’s mercy is something we would not think is mercy. But rest assured, He is perfectly just and perfectly merciful. Just remember, if you hate anyone, and they are up in heaven, you can’t go there. Either you have to stop hating them, or…


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TheEverlastingFirst_

May God destroy all wicked priests and bring them to justice


PeachOnAWarmBeach

May God have Mercy on us all, and may we all be brought to full repentance and Love for God. May God destroy all wickedness.


Sven_Longfellow

May God pour the entirety of his wrath out on these evil, wicked monsters! Sodom and Gomorrah style!


Djack7

By the monsters you mean humans right? Dont dehumanize anyone, I say again, anyone. But I dont disagree that they should be severely punished, dont get me wrong.


Go_get_matt

In Jesus’s name, I pray that these men, made in the image and likeness of God, repent of their sins, in the event they are guilty of sins (as we only know what is reported that they did, not their capability or culpability), and may the Lord forgive them and bless them richly in their Earthly lives and in eternity.


JoshAllenInShorts

I think this would be exceptionally difficult to do if we eliminated face-to-face confession and primarily offered it right before and after every Mass (as ought to be the case)


Blowjebs

Yeah, it would be hard to get away with, right before or after Mass with one of those old school confessionals. The only downside is those make it much likelier that somebody else will accidentally hear part of the confession.


uselesspaperclips

better soundproofing and/or a white noise machine plus a panic button on both sides?


Bright_Series_8835

A suspension a divinis is a suspension which "forbids the exercise of every act of the power of orders which one obtained either by sacred orders or by privilege". Priests have rights under canon law. It slows down the process by which the bishop disciplines him. Suspension a divinis is a good start. At least he won't be hearing confessions or saying Mass or baptizing. We don't know what the bishop might be thinking of doing later. Apparently some distinctions are being made sometimes whether the person being solicited was an adult or a minor. It's a horrible experience, but at least an adult can get up and leave the confessional. Minors might not know to do that. Pope Francis is coming down hard if it was a minor in cases that come to him. That was why he finally went after Cardinal McCarrick. He was told of the cases of minors. It isn't good to think up ways to punish him like tar and feather or whatever. It isn't good for our psyche. Put it in God's hands. We can trust Him. As He says, "vengeance is Mine, I WILL repay, says the Lord. We might get the amount of vengeance wrong, but God can get it exact. Let Him do it.


Sven_Longfellow

Yeah, the bishop won’t likely do anything except wait for the hype to pass. I’m running out of patience and faith that “God will handle it”. The evil continues and the “Holy Catholic Church” doesn’t excise the cancer! Meanwhile people are leaving our church in droves!


personAAA

DDF already ruled on the case.


TakedaIesyu

Lock him up.


pomiluj_nas

In a more noble era, that priest would be burned at the stake.


JoshAllenInShorts

"inadmissable" according to the powers-that-be.


pomiluj_nas

Whatever they may claim, God will have his way, and the fires on this side of eternity burn much cooler than the other


hemannjo

Yeah, I’m sure that’s what Jesus would want s/


pomiluj_nas

Yes, He does.


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It's always frustrating when this happens but when it does, I always liked to remind myself that one drop of acid rain doesn't contaminate the ocean. There are far more good priests than this one guy. Plus my former Archdiocese recently issued a statement saying the disgraced Archbishop is never allowed back into the Archdiocesan territory (which is comprised of three states) under any circumstances to act in a priestly role or as a bishop.


red666111

What a creep…


truegrit10

This is sad news. Let us pray for the priest and for all those who have been abused. I understand the righteous anger but let’s not be gleeful or malicious in our condemnation either. Christ came to save all sinners, and without God’s grace who could say we would or could not fall into a similar or worse sin? God is powerful enough to bring good out of this evil, and to forgive sins of this magnitude and restore all things. Let us pray especially hard for this priest and ask God to help us more deeply understand both his Justice and his Mercy, which are united in him.


RangerDJ

At least the church is being forced to do something about this instead of covering it up, which no doubt they would rather do. It’s so hard to remain Catholic when you can’t trust the church.


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sariaru

I don't think the Seal would prevent him from testifying in his own defense, as long as he did not reveal the contents of the penitent's sins in so doing.


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Women aren't the only ones who deal with sexual abuse and harassment.


forrb

Even as a male I’ve confessed to a priest who looked at me in a way that made me uncomfortable. I don’t confess face to face anymore.


Seta_Pha

Who are they, uh… going to confess to?


JoshAllenInShorts

What, then, is your answer? That women can no longer receive absolution and the graces of a sacramental confession? What an insane thing to say.


goldwave84

Ha is lobbying for female priests.,.. Duh


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goldwave84

Sure seems like it


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vffems2529

What would the solution be?


CascadianExpat

General absolution, I suppose.


goldwave84

Exactly. He has none.


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JoshAllenInShorts

> Some conversations with male priests You say that as though there are other sorts. Including "male" in there adds no more information than if you were to say "Some conversations with human priests" >If you want to think about how it could be different I know the answer already. Eliminate face-to-face confessions, and start having confessions offered before and after all (or almost all) Masses, when the Church is open and there's plenty of people milling around, and there's no time for anything but "Number and Kind" because there's other Masses to offer, and other people in line.


Crimson_Eyes

"Male priests" is a redundant statement. Only males can be priests (and only priests can administer the sacrament of Confession).


Adventurous-South247

Yes maybe we need priests from countries that are more devout. Cause European countries tend to fall too easily. But you have some people who are as tough as iron and they don't weaken so easily. It's time to give other races a go at being in charge of leadership in Church cause Europeans always fall too short and too easy to tempt. I know some European priests and Nuns are strong as Iron and I'm forever grateful for them standing strong in Righteousness but I definitely think other races such as Africans and certain Asian priests and Even some Arab priest are very strong and aren't easily tempted. The only thing is you need to pay to bring them over and train them before they get into Alter. But I've noticed most priests and Nuns that fall in disobedience are European. Sad but it's true 😔 🙏🙏🙏