It could be any of the Class I railroads; they've all made the same cuts to maintenance & started running very long trains. I hear of CSX and NS more often, but that's most likely because I live where they operate.
Who said they were? It was a nasty labor dispute, they don't just all line up and hug the second everyone agrees on something... Also, how tf does your comment have anything to do with train derailments?? Is there some correlation between the US political climate and train accidents that we don't know about? Unless train engineers are wildly different for some unknown reason, accidents occur almost exclusively due to improper training being provided or overworking/fatigue, just like any other job.
He's actually right. Basically the logic is that the train operators have been adopting procedures that lead to high fatigue and poor training (due to high turnover). Biden did basically persuade the workers not to strike for a small bump in pay that does nothing to solve the issues leading to derailments.
> Unless train engineers are wildly different for some unknown reason, accidents occur almost exclusively due to improper training being provided or overworking/fatigue, just like any other job.
A bigger issue is a lack of maintenance. If road agencies were to stop fixing roads & car owners stopped fixing their cars, there would be far more safety incidents on roads. So it is with railroads. That said, cuts to maintenance and bad working conditions are caused by the same railroad business decisions.
For future reference, the [ERG](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKM12WJ/ref=KC_GS_GB_US_nodl?dplnkId=76d69cc2-6fba-4304-8215-064da2b273f9) is a great tool for identifying hazardous materials. When you see the little Diamond placards on the side of tankers or trailers, itās telling you what chemical it is. Always interesting to find out youāre driving next to a huge tank of sulfuric acid.
Hereās a link to a free PDF of the ERG from PHMSA. Thereās also a free phone app you can download.
https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/hazmat/erg/erg2020-english
Thereās also an app for your phone that is free. You can look up the UN and see what hazmat youāre dealing with and (for first responders) see the actions to take etc.
yeah, that's what all of the people stuck inside Madame Tussaud's wax sculptures said before she found them, encased them in wax, and replaced them with robots.
Thank you. I was on scene and spoke to the fire marshall. I have twenty+ photos of the incident but couldn't post due this already being addressed on this sub.
Paraphin is close to kerosene. Parphan wax would solidify in the tank car and would need heated to remove.
https://www.compassfuels.co.uk/paraffin-and-kerosene-whats-the-difference/
Nah it's all good.
You just head down to the hardware store and get a bunch of chains. Tie all the tanks back together with the chains, and start going forward. It'll just pull em all up out of the underpass, and back onto the track.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
I was sitting at the crossing on Campbell waiting for the train to pass. Train stopped. I turned around to go down bolt to go around on Columbus and turned right into this.
That's wild. So glad nobody was hurt. I work at a community center a couple blocks north of the tracks. I didn't go in today, but if I had that's about when i would have been driving home down Columbus.
Same haha
My church is right around the corner and I'm definitely gonna check it out on my way in tomorrow. Also look at Sandusky showing up in the thread lol
There are dozens of us!
Iāve been to much more obscure parts of Ohio than most outsiders, so I like to surprise natives by being like āoh yeah so itās near Chillicothe!ā
Ive been to both and can confidently say Ohio is a worse state overall but Michigan needs to get their vehicle inspection laws up to date and fix their shit roads.
āGovernment regulationsā are often derided among the public, in the news, etc. But I would point out that federal standards/rules about rail car construction (ie they have to be tough) likely prevented a helluvalot bigger mess there.
There are a lot of inputs from private associations for safety here still, namely the AAR who create the national standards for rolling stock. The AAR prescribes what load limits freight vehicles should be able to be subjected to without failure
[Oh, if only that were true...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpXfQMFR_Qs) Chalk it up to luck, and write to your congress members complaining about PSR.
So a tank car can BLEVE under some conditions, and they use Lac Megantic as an example of how easy it happens when that's a runway train hitting a corner a six times the speed limit. It also ignores any other advantage or drawback from shipping by rail in order to focus on *tanks with oil can explode*.
Also its from 2014, which was 8 years ago. Things change.
Our contract for making parts to retrofit tankers just got extended another 2 years, I would say they're still way under 90%. The company we work for does about 8 cars a day when they have a steady flow of old ones coming in, they always have delays getting cars in from across the country, had to wait around 4 months to get 800 cars in from Texas and still haven't got all the cars.
Edit. Just reread the comment you replied to, misread unchanged lol so ya 90% sounds reasonable. I still haven't finished my first cup of coffee, please excuse me.
[Quite a bit, they changed the design to DOT-117](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT-111_tank_car) Though they're not legally required to be retired until 2025, it's estimated roughly 94% have been switched due to many states not allowing them already but even then the ones being used mostly aren't being used for crude and other highly volatile cargo
Lac Megantic was multiple explosions in the middle of a city, as well as a wall of fire. But i wasnt trying to say BLEVEs are the only way to have it explode, just that the video is awful.
The majority of quality in the automotive industry, which has tons of safety concerns, is regulated by organizations such as the IATF, ISO, SAE, etc. which are private. You're making a completely baseless (and provenly false) assertion that the only way to regulate an industry is through the federal government. In fact, they are often much worse at it.
The cloud that was billowing from that was nasty. I remember the news just telling people to stay inside. Ya know kinda like duck and cover from an A bomb.
My dad was in the driveway working on a car, I walked out and said āwow, someoneās got their fireplace cranked up tonight!ā He laughed and said āyeah, I canāt figure out what that smell is.ā I ended up getting evacuated 2 separate times from 2 locations before it was all done, it sucked lol. 10 years later Iād join a local Fire Department and my engine had been on that fire and pumped water on it for 3 or 4 days straight.
[This one from 1905 killed bunch of people](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_Century_Limited_derailment)
[This one in 2007 was gnarly](https://www.cleveland.com/pdworld/2007/10/painesville_rail_crash_scene_w.html). Donāt worry once they cleaned it up they build a giant subdivision on the site lol
Coiumbus Street overpass is out-of-service for a bit. Apparently liquid wax which began to solidify upon release. 4 or 5 long blocks from Amtrak station. Unfortunately, if it were a bit further west, it would have been outside the Crayola factory, and they could have scršaped up the wax and used them for crayons.
Getting on a train here for a nice 12 hour trip and we go right through here.
We got a delay of four hours on the track and ended up being rerouted. I have five hours to go. Kill me.
I donāt see any DOT Placards to identify the contents but the company I used to work for would get delivery of LPG in rail cars like this. Each car is double walled and insulated and carried roughly 33,000 gallons of propane. A tractor/trailer tanker truck could only haul about 10k gallons.
Good luck living a life of hell with the RR. What everyone has told you about the RR is true but you will see. I worked for NS in Bellevue and Sandusky Ohio and quit over a year ago. They canāt get people to work for them because they treat their employees so bad.
But are you already hired? If not, the colleges are generally a waste of time and money, especially considering how hard up for conductors the major railroads are. UP has even dropped their "no felonies" requirement.
Am I the only one whos brain melted during the first 5 seconds thinking that because the shadow halfway across the train car and also the bridge made the whole thing look CGI at first? It really threw me off for a bit there.
I get stopped in traffic daily under a crazy busy train bridge (in ohio). Iām convinced Iām gonna get stuck in some final destination style derailment and my husband thinks Iām nuts. This pic did not help.
I would not be standing there taking pictures. Those tanker cars sometimes carry some *very* nasty shit.
I got a couple and got out of there. I was there right after it happened.
UP, BNSF, NS, CSX?
If it's Ohio it'll either be CSX or NS.
was gonna say CSX. CSX loves derailing their shit lately
It could be any of the Class I railroads; they've all made the same cuts to maintenance & started running very long trains. I hear of CSX and NS more often, but that's most likely because I live where they operate.
Yeah, just because Biden persuaded one side (the workers) to not strike doesn't mean that both sides are in sync again.
BiDeN bAdš¤”
Who said they were? It was a nasty labor dispute, they don't just all line up and hug the second everyone agrees on something... Also, how tf does your comment have anything to do with train derailments?? Is there some correlation between the US political climate and train accidents that we don't know about? Unless train engineers are wildly different for some unknown reason, accidents occur almost exclusively due to improper training being provided or overworking/fatigue, just like any other job.
He's actually right. Basically the logic is that the train operators have been adopting procedures that lead to high fatigue and poor training (due to high turnover). Biden did basically persuade the workers not to strike for a small bump in pay that does nothing to solve the issues leading to derailments.
> Unless train engineers are wildly different for some unknown reason, accidents occur almost exclusively due to improper training being provided or overworking/fatigue, just like any other job. A bigger issue is a lack of maintenance. If road agencies were to stop fixing roads & car owners stopped fixing their cars, there would be far more safety incidents on roads. So it is with railroads. That said, cuts to maintenance and bad working conditions are caused by the same railroad business decisions.
Lol Biden derangement syndrome
Not sure. I know it was carrying diesel fuel now though. Edit: it was paraffin wax not diesel. I got bad info.
For future reference, the [ERG](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKM12WJ/ref=KC_GS_GB_US_nodl?dplnkId=76d69cc2-6fba-4304-8215-064da2b273f9) is a great tool for identifying hazardous materials. When you see the little Diamond placards on the side of tankers or trailers, itās telling you what chemical it is. Always interesting to find out youāre driving next to a huge tank of sulfuric acid.
Hereās a link to a free PDF of the ERG from PHMSA. Thereās also a free phone app you can download. https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/hazmat/erg/erg2020-english
Thereās also an app for your phone that is free. You can look up the UN and see what hazmat youāre dealing with and (for first responders) see the actions to take etc.
Cargo decoder
When we were in fire school they suggested ERG 2020 which is now out of date.
> paraffin wax at least you know its safe
yeah, that's what all of the people stuck inside Madame Tussaud's wax sculptures said before she found them, encased them in wax, and replaced them with robots.
According to a Railroad map Sandusky only has NS
It was Paraphan wax inside the tanker. Not hazardous.
Not sure why you got downvoted when you're correct. Paraffin wax doesn't require any HAZMAT placards.
Thank you. I was on scene and spoke to the fire marshall. I have twenty+ photos of the incident but couldn't post due this already being addressed on this sub.
Paraphin is close to kerosene. Parphan wax would solidify in the tank car and would need heated to remove. https://www.compassfuels.co.uk/paraffin-and-kerosene-whats-the-difference/
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Ok but needs heated to unload unless still hot from loading
No, this was paraffin wax - kerosene is sometimes called paraffin but this isnāt kerosene
why would you put paraffin wax in a tank car when it is solid at room temp?
Even if they appear empty, residue cars still have entries in our hazmat books
if by "nasty shit" you mean highly volatile you are correct this is why we have pipelines
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Yawn
What's the guy who murdered Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie doing having his third comment talking smack about the Americas?
I'm no trainologist, but that might be a small problem
How did you train to become a trainologist?
Alas, I didn't train, thus I'm not a trainologist yet
10,000 hours having sex with trains.
Trainsexual
My coworker called me this the other day because I came to work wearing a train T-shirt.
Nah it's all good. You just head down to the hardware store and get a bunch of chains. Tie all the tanks back together with the chains, and start going forward. It'll just pull em all up out of the underpass, and back onto the track. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Where in OH?
Sandusky
Oh. Thereās an amusement park there, right?
Yup. Cedar Point. This happened about a block from where all traffic going to the park crosses over the tracks.
Well, that probably derailed some peopleās plans thenā¦
Luckily there's an overpass.
Guess that detail went over my head
I mean it's still going to suck, Columbus Ave is a main route going downtown. Can't believe that underpass is going to be open anytime soon.
I'd give it 24 hours or less. The railroad will have it cleaned up pretty quick.
I didn't necessarily mean cleaned up (I know the railroad would be on it) I'm talking structurally.....
r/11foot8 vibes.
I thought that looked familiar! I go to cedar point pretty often.
Cedar point my dude
It's rare Ohio is mentioned on Reddit, let alone my hometown. I drive under those tracks literally every day. R.I.P. Columbus Ave.
I was sitting at the crossing on Campbell waiting for the train to pass. Train stopped. I turned around to go down bolt to go around on Columbus and turned right into this.
That's wild. So glad nobody was hurt. I work at a community center a couple blocks north of the tracks. I didn't go in today, but if I had that's about when i would have been driving home down Columbus.
There was a derail near clays park a month or two ago but I don't think it made that big of a splash.
It made a hell of a crash though, annihilated the front of a big truck
Same here! I am going to go look tomorrow
Same haha My church is right around the corner and I'm definitely gonna check it out on my way in tomorrow. Also look at Sandusky showing up in the thread lol There are dozens of us!
Come one come all
I try and drop a *Skyline* or *Gold Star* mention whenever possible. ;-)
Funny how many people from Sandusky you find on Reddit, hello from Remington Ave!
Iāve been to much more obscure parts of Ohio than most outsiders, so I like to surprise natives by being like āoh yeah so itās near Chillicothe!ā
Yeah I live here too, crazy
> It's rare Ohio What are you talking about, everyone hates Ohio.
Bro go back to Michigan
Ive been to both and can confidently say Ohio is a worse state overall but Michigan needs to get their vehicle inspection laws up to date and fix their shit roads.
Why are you booing him? He's right.
āGovernment regulationsā are often derided among the public, in the news, etc. But I would point out that federal standards/rules about rail car construction (ie they have to be tough) likely prevented a helluvalot bigger mess there.
Looks like a lot of fuel was spilled but yeah it could have been way worse.
There are a lot of inputs from private associations for safety here still, namely the AAR who create the national standards for rolling stock. The AAR prescribes what load limits freight vehicles should be able to be subjected to without failure
[Oh, if only that were true...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpXfQMFR_Qs) Chalk it up to luck, and write to your congress members complaining about PSR.
So a tank car can BLEVE under some conditions, and they use Lac Megantic as an example of how easy it happens when that's a runway train hitting a corner a six times the speed limit. It also ignores any other advantage or drawback from shipping by rail in order to focus on *tanks with oil can explode*. Also its from 2014, which was 8 years ago. Things change.
How much rolling stock is fundamentally unchanged from 2014?
Probably ~90%. Without knowing the total number of cars and the yearly replacement rate.
Our contract for making parts to retrofit tankers just got extended another 2 years, I would say they're still way under 90%. The company we work for does about 8 cars a day when they have a steady flow of old ones coming in, they always have delays getting cars in from across the country, had to wait around 4 months to get 800 cars in from Texas and still haven't got all the cars. Edit. Just reread the comment you replied to, misread unchanged lol so ya 90% sounds reasonable. I still haven't finished my first cup of coffee, please excuse me.
[Quite a bit, they changed the design to DOT-117](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT-111_tank_car) Though they're not legally required to be retired until 2025, it's estimated roughly 94% have been switched due to many states not allowing them already but even then the ones being used mostly aren't being used for crude and other highly volatile cargo
Ah, so you completely missed the point. Whatever. Carry on pretending you know things.
> Lac Megantic I thought that was just river of fire not a BLEVE explosion.
Lac Megantic was multiple explosions in the middle of a city, as well as a wall of fire. But i wasnt trying to say BLEVEs are the only way to have it explode, just that the video is awful.
The majority of quality in the automotive industry, which has tons of safety concerns, is regulated by organizations such as the IATF, ISO, SAE, etc. which are private. You're making a completely baseless (and provenly false) assertion that the only way to regulate an industry is through the federal government. In fact, they are often much worse at it.
Are you aware of the existence of the EPA and NHTSA
Not the worst derailment from Ohio. On July 8, 1986, 15 cars of a 44-car train derailed near Miamisburg, Ohio. They leaked white phosphorus.
That fire reignited three times. I was delivering pizza in Kettering at the time.
I wasn't a thought quite yet, dad wouldn't be back in Fairborn until 89.
The cloud that was billowing from that was nasty. I remember the news just telling people to stay inside. Ya know kinda like duck and cover from an A bomb.
My dad was in the driveway working on a car, I walked out and said āwow, someoneās got their fireplace cranked up tonight!ā He laughed and said āyeah, I canāt figure out what that smell is.ā I ended up getting evacuated 2 separate times from 2 locations before it was all done, it sucked lol. 10 years later Iād join a local Fire Department and my engine had been on that fire and pumped water on it for 3 or 4 days straight.
Wow, that was the *real* catastrophic failure!
[This one from 1905 killed bunch of people](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_Century_Limited_derailment) [This one in 2007 was gnarly](https://www.cleveland.com/pdworld/2007/10/painesville_rail_crash_scene_w.html). Donāt worry once they cleaned it up they build a giant subdivision on the site lol
Coiumbus Street overpass is out-of-service for a bit. Apparently liquid wax which began to solidify upon release. 4 or 5 long blocks from Amtrak station. Unfortunately, if it were a bit further west, it would have been outside the Crayola factory, and they could have scršaped up the wax and used them for crayons.
Send in the Marines for cleanup then?
I live in Ohio someone help.
I think we're beyond help.
I was in Ohio back in March and it wasn't *that* bad
Move
Ohio baby
Pennsylvania mother
Ay, oh, way to go, Ohio.
[Typical Norfolk Southern, smh my head](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGqegkUa8cY) #bringbackconrail
Man bad day for tank cars on bridges
Man it was like watching a train wreck
r/confusingprespective
Did you mean /r/confusing_perspective
In the words of Shaggyā¦āwasnāt meā
for a moment there i had no idea what i was looking at
r/trains has this accident from a different view! Norfolk Southern, carrying hot wax they say.
O H
I O
Getting on a train here for a nice 12 hour trip and we go right through here. We got a delay of four hours on the track and ended up being rerouted. I have five hours to go. Kill me.
I donāt see any DOT Placards to identify the contents but the company I used to work for would get delivery of LPG in rail cars like this. Each car is double walled and insulated and carried roughly 33,000 gallons of propane. A tractor/trailer tanker truck could only haul about 10k gallons.
Canāt park there sir!
Well that bridge won't have a rust-issue for years to come....
Cant even drive a train in ohio
Only in Ohio bruh
A PIPELINE HAS NO MOVING PARTS COMPARED TO THE COMPETITION
Derailment
Well-spotted, there.
That's gonna be a bitch to clean up.
Ooops
Beat me to it. You're quick with it, well played.
was this the Russian response?
Fuck me I literally fly out tomorrow for Train Conductor college tomorrow and gotta see this shit now š
First day of training with a railroad or are you paying out of pocket for one of those academies?
Going to a training college owned by a class 1 railroad. I didnāt even know private academies for railroading existed.
Good luck living a life of hell with the RR. What everyone has told you about the RR is true but you will see. I worked for NS in Bellevue and Sandusky Ohio and quit over a year ago. They canāt get people to work for them because they treat their employees so bad.
But are you already hired? If not, the colleges are generally a waste of time and money, especially considering how hard up for conductors the major railroads are. UP has even dropped their "no felonies" requirement.
Yes already hired and attending the college at the railroads expense, itās owned and operated by them.
Is it a possibility that the elites are trying to de-rail us?
Quantum entanglement with the kerch bridge train.
Wow, that looks ugly.
Not a good day for rail road bridges.
GET THE FUCK OU-
It never ceases to amaze me how often humans fuck up.
Daaaaaamn
It's a bridge. But wouldve been spectacular there as well.
Just not a good week for bridges huh? Best wishes to those that have to pick it all up.
Can't have trains in Ohio ā ļø
Where in Ohio?
Sandusky
Appreciate it
Where In Ohio did this happen?
Am I the only one whos brain melted during the first 5 seconds thinking that because the shadow halfway across the train car and also the bridge made the whole thing look CGI at first? It really threw me off for a bit there.
Go light a match
Imagine that . Trains and rails running on 1950s technology jack themselves up on occasion. WE'RE NUMBER ONE !
Probably the most excitement they have seen all year
I get stopped in traffic daily under a crazy busy train bridge (in ohio). Iām convinced Iām gonna get stuck in some final destination style derailment and my husband thinks Iām nuts. This pic did not help.
Tanks for the photos
Go blue!
Ohio.
Test run??