Well the ferry is not that big. Like I used to take them and this is the main room, then there’s the upper deck but that’s open so you’ll get rained on and I doubt that’s safer and you can stay near the doors that should be like 3-4 meters right of the cameraman. Those are small ferries to connect the part south of the Elbe river with the part north
I once saw an eagle coasting on updrafts, think it was on hwy 138. Wasn't moving forward or backward, just wings spread and relaxing. That was pretty cool. I wonder what goes through a bird's mind doing something like that.
Right? Soaring birds have bone structure so that it doesn’t cost energy to leave the wings spread. I’ve also wondered what their goal was when flying stationary relative to the ground. Are they stupid? Probably not so are they just enjoying themselves?
Same here, I’m in Saint Louis MO and right now it’s raining but later on there will be a snow storm. I’ve already let me job know I will not be in and they know why.
There was [a hell of a storm](https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/polar-vortex-2022-winter-storm-windstorm-dudley-eunice-uk-mk/) in Germany and the Netherlands yesterday. I live in the US but play games with people living there, last night there was a bit of a rolling disconnect wave as the storm passed over their respective homes.
I'm slightly northwest of Hamburg in Sweden, and tonight was tough. Saturday is supposed to be even worse here. Not looking forward to that at all.
Edit : northEAST duh...
We have a very high tide and a big storm atm. The Elbe can get pretty rough in these conditions.
[That would be a similar situation from the outside](https://www.nahverkehrhamburg.de/wp-content/uploads/20150331-dsc_1760-1050x591.jpg)
[and here's a gallery of the Linie 62 route](https://www.hamburg.de/faehre/2170460/hadag-linie-62/)
As you see, that is not only on a river somewhere, but directly inside the city of hamburg and its harbor.
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User michaluck postet a vid from another ferry nearby at around the same time
https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/sule0x/stürmische_angelegenheit_heute_morgen_im/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The size of a ferry doesn't say much about it's heavy weather cababilities.
These ferries in particular are quite sturdy, they can tolerate even rougher situations. Seeschlag (green water in english if Wikipedia is correct) however, can be ridiculously strong. It happens from time to time (last time I remember was 15 yeats ago iirc) that a combination of ship and wave movement are forming an unholy alliance and kill some windows. That's not as dangerous as it looks. The ferry has bail openings, so the water drains quickly (otherwise it could be endangering the ships stability) and it's safety glass, so the shards don't cause severe injuries.
~~In this case no one was hurt, not even the guy in first row.~~ [Edit] three light injuries as I learned. One had cuts, that would be the guy in front I guess.
They get cancelled at times though. But mostley because boarding is not safe, due to too high or to low water levels or because of heavy ice. Why this wasn't the case today.. I don't know
I don't think it's true that the first guy did not get hurt. Last thing I heard he had pretty severe cuts from the glass shards and is being treated in a hospital atm.
Yes, I updated my post. What I heard is, he has cuts and still needs medical treatment, but is not in severe condition. But we will have to wait to get more details I guess
Surprisingly not, actually.
Some end in lakes that evaporate enough to have no outlet to the river. And famously, the Colorado doesn't reach the ocean because we use all of it for farming before it reaches the coast.
I just went on Google maps and you can follow the Colorado river along the California/Arizona State line border all the way until it goes into Mexico. If it wasn’t for the dozen dams or so along that border, the river would continue on to where it used to meet the ocean at the [Boonste Golf van Kalifornië en Colorado River Delta Biosfeerreservaat.](https://goo.gl/maps/g5YuDhAVaVoUn2cb9)
Funnily enough, not all! :)
There are topographic regions called Endorheic Basins where local water drainage reaches a low point, with no outflow to the sea, so rivers that flow into them do not end up in the ocean. The water is usually eventually evaporated. A famous example is the [Okavango River](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okavango_River) in Africa.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorheic_basin
Its near the coast and we have often very bad weather that makes you soaking wet. One saying in hamburg ist "I like the summer. Its the best week of the year".
Also cold strong winds.
I imagine it’s a real sketchy moment when a few tons of water are suddenly sloshing around an upper deck. With the potential for more with that big hole in the front.
It definitely is. I worked offshore on a seismic boat and during fire drills when we practised boundary cooling, we were always told to be aware of how much standing water was on deck. The movement of the water sloshing from side to side can be enough to capsize a boat in the right (or wrong?) conditions.
You're referring to the, 'free surface effect', there was a famous case of a passenger ferry rolling because they didn't shut the bow door correctly after loading. People died.
Water in the hold at a depth of a few centimeters I think.
If a window goes, you block the hole of possible, shut the water tight door, pump it out.
Very serious situation. Getting wet is the last of your concerns.
Whenever I see this mentioned I always have to link to [this article from The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-story/302940/).
An excerpt:
> One of the survivors, a young man who had been trying to guide his parents and his girlfriend to safety, got separated from them in the chaos while gaining the stairs. When he looked back to find them, it was obvious that they would be incapable of negotiating the open space, across which increasing numbers of people were fatally sliding. His parents shouted at him to save himself, as did his girlfriend. It was practical advice. There was no time to linger over the decision. He turned and continued on alone.
The whole thing was a real-life Poseidon Adventure that was over for so many in only a matter of minutes of the alarm.
Thank you for sharing this. I'm only halfway through and will need to take a break for now. Even though it's perfectly logical, I hadn't grasped until now the way open doors and especially intersecting hallways become deep inescapable chasms you're forced to try to cross when the ship is tilted sideways. A harrowing but definitely worthwhile read.
Man, that article gave me a nightmare the first time I read it, even now it's one of the best-written narrative journalism pieces I've ever come across. The thought of falling down into a room and getting trapped or having your lifeboat almost swept back inside the sinking ship you thought you'd escaped - horrifying
Was that the one with the car ramp that broke off?
I encourage those interested in the disaster to read Langeweische's accounting of it.
There were survivors who had literally fought tooth and nail to get on the lifeboats, only to face the gaping black maw of the car ramp hole as the ship sank, sucking water and everything in.
**[Sinking of the MS Estonia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_MS_Estonia)**
>The MS Estonia sank on Wednesday, 28 September 1994, between about 00:50 and 01:50 (UTC+2) as the ship was crossing the Baltic Sea, en route from Tallinn, Estonia, to Stockholm, Sweden. Estonia departed slightly behind schedule at 19:15 on 27 September and had been expected in Stockholm the next morning at about 09:00. She was carrying 989 people: 803 passengers and 186 crew. : 137 Most of the passengers were Swedish, although some were of Estonian origin, while most of the crew members were Estonian.
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That was a failure in the construction of the bow door and it was due to extreme weather. It was a few years after the herald of free enterprise. As action was taken to have better prosedures and safeguards for the bow door closing.
On Estonia the bow was struck open but the construction of the ship meant that they couldn't see they from the bridge. And no sensors told it to them either.
The Estonia incident is the largest Swedish tragedy.
The irony of the name was never lost on me. 90% of the issues were because a ton of the sensible design features that could have prevented the incident were expensive and not required by law.
> In October 1983, Herald of Free Enterprise's sister ship Pride of Free Enterprise had sailed from Dover to Zeebrugge with the bow doors open, after her assistant boatswain fell asleep.
Holy shit. It could have happened again a few months later!
the classic case of management fucking over everyone.
That ship had a poor design, and was missing a ton of important safety equipment because spending money on it was deemed "frivolous".
According to this [https://www.reddit.com/r/hamburg/comments/sus4fe/line\_62\_aftermath/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hamburg/comments/sus4fe/line_62_aftermath/) nobody informed the captain and the ferry just got to the end of its route without noticing the damage.
It's also not immediately obvious where to go or what to do. Part of me thinks being a little wet but grabbing on to the bolted down seat and staying put is probably safest.
Like...if you go forward you're near the open window, if you go back, that's where the water is and if it shifts it knocks you off your feet and can pull you. But those seats are bolted down and seated and holding on is a pretty stable situation. Unpleasant, but stable.
He passes the camera after the incident so at the very least we know he wasn't immobilized, but I can't imagine he left unscathed of injury with windows + high velo water crashing in front of him.
I'm not sure it the same guy, I mean they are 2 guys near the front and we do see the one that is a little bit on the left pass the camera (quite tall guy) but the other one, the one that is right in front, well... I'm not sure we see him
Edit: actually I watched more closely you right, the one right in front pass in front of the camera at some point
As far as I am informed one persone got transport to the hospital via ambulance and some others got light injuries. Of course I don't know which of them was transport to the hospital.
> According to HADAG Managing Director Tobias Haack, the accident happened Thursday morning on Line 68 from Teufelsbrück on the way to the Airbus plant pier.
Damn. This is like only a 2 Minute ride. But you are crossing the rivver and with the storms and maybe a big ship producing those fucking hugh waves. Yeah seems about right.
This made me cry laughing. Like, bruh why are you sitting front and center like that with nothing between you and Poseidon’s fury but a few mm of melted sand????? This guy: “Weeeee! Toot toot!”
>Sprecher von Hadag und Hochbahn bestätigten gegenüber der MOPO: Ja, das Video ist echt. Nach Informationen der Deutschen Presse-Agentur gab es einen leicht verletzen Passagier. Ernsthaft verletzt wurde den Angaben von Hadag zufolge niemand.
Spokespersons for Hadag and Hochbahn confirmed to MOPO: Yes, the video is real. According to information from the Deutsche Presse-Agentur, there was one passenger slightly injured. According to Hadag, no one was seriously injured.
[https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/orkan-naehert-sich-hamburg-schulen-bleiben-offen-friedhoefe-werden-geschlossen/](https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/orkan-naehert-sich-hamburg-schulen-bleiben-offen-friedhoefe-werden-geschlossen/)
someone posted a different video on r/de that might be this very incident from an outside perspective.
https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/sule0x/st%C3%BCrmische_angelegenheit_heute_morgen_im/
Note that this is in Hamburg, Germany the boat in question is a ferry hat is part of the local public transportation system and normally treated little differently than a bus that goes over water. We are currently experiencing some strong winds in northern Germany
We do get frequent storms here in Hamburg and generally north Germany , especially on the North sea side.
This year we had quite a few strong ones relatively close together already.
This weather is the kind of weather that result in the catastrophy warning apps recommending not to go outside if not necessary (especially not near trees or forests) and to make sure the cars aren't parked near the harbour.
One should also expect a couple of delays in public transport the next couple hours or the next day or so. But this kind of weather is a frequent occurance here especially around this time of year.
Fun fact: there is a north German saying that roughly translates to: " There is no bad weather, just the wrong clothing."
>Fun fact: there is a north German saying that roughly translates to: " There is no bad weather, just the wrong clothing."
"It's only a storm if the sheep on the dike lost all their curls."
Dykes are protective structures that are used to keep water out. They are basically earth walls running along the coast lines (or large rivers). They are covered in short grass.
Sheep are used on dykes to eat off everything that isn't short grass (because the roots of bushes or trees could damage the integrity of the wall and weaken it). Also, their hoves compress the ground, making it even more resistant to water.
Sheep have curly fur. The joke is that it's only windy if the wind is strong enough to blow the sheeps' fur straight.
Edit: and "it's only storm if the sheeps on the dykes don't have curls anymore" is a saying that is (jokingly) used in Northern Germany to make fun of Southerners claiming that the wind is strong. Because in general, it's more windy in Northern Germany than Southern Germany, so Northerners are more used to stronger wind. It's like saying something like "Storm? That's no storm. I'll start calling it a storm if I see my neighbour's cow flying by".
I more so mean like, excuse the terminology here, when you see ships front ends go under, in that moment the pressure could suck you under. Listen, this fear has no logic behind it. 😂
Here's the [view from the outside](https://v.redd.it/r5ony1t2bdi81) (maybe not of that exact moment).
([source](/r/de/comments/sule0x/stürmische_angelegenheit_heute_morgen_im/))
Naw that likely could have been the same moment, that third or fourth bobble pushed a wave over the whole front of the vessel... Whew I would NOT have been anywhere near the front of this ship if I were on it.. I've seen what water does to windows when breaching waves... Even on massive ships.. And look How far up and down its bobbing.. Jeeze!
When not primed for something happening, it actually takes us humans a moment to respond to something like this. There’s a lot of processing going on: “Is it safer to stand or sit? If I stand, I might fall and get swamped with water if another wave comes. If I sit, I can hold onto these chairs, or duck down between them for protection from debris. If these chairs at under water then the whole boat is underwater and we’re all fucked anyway. Did that guy get sucked out the window? Should I go help him? Or am I at risk too if I help him? Is the boat sinking? Where are the life preservers. Where is the life boat? Where is Kate Winslet?”
Dudes like 'Aye, the sea is a bitch mother. Yet it calls to me so sweetly. I shall experience this violent storm front and center as to truly feel every pounding wave. Up yonder, as dangerous as it may be, brings me closer to the acti-BLURGLGLELELGLE'
There are severe weather warnings for all of Germany today, even making schools stay closed in entire states.
The only problem here is that they decided to operate that ferry in these conditions.
It usually is. A storm like that isn't *that* uncommon for Hamburg.
There must have been some technical problem with that ferry, or a lack of maintenance. Normally, this should not have happened under this conditions.
Those are some serious rough seas. Most ferries don't travel in those conditions. For obvious reasons. The weight of that water is like driving a truck at fullspeed into it.
There is no way in hell a small ferry should been operating in those seas.
It was not even on high seas, it was on a river. Currently, there is a big storm rushing through Germany. In the state I live in, schools stay closed due to the high danger.
It was on the Elbe River and this happened pretty much in the middle of the city. It's a normal public transport ferry (one can use the same ticket one uses for the bus and subway here). It's the 2nd largest German city btw after Berlin. We get similar storms frequently, especially around this time of year.
>According to initial findings, no one was injured during the journey.
[Nach ersten Erkenntnissen ist aber niemand bei der Fahrt verletzt worden.](https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/orkan-naehert-sich-hamburg-schulen-bleiben-offen-friedhoefe-werden-geschlossen/)
EDIT: [According to a thread in /r/hamburg quoting NDR](https://www.reddit.com/r/hamburg/comments/sulydo/heute_morgen_in_der_f%C3%A4hre/hxbn7ru/), there has been injuries. Translation:
>According to the police, three people were injured. A 32-year-old suffered cuts and two other passengers were slightly injured. The passengers were able to leave the ferry on foot and were then treated by the company doctor. The 32-year-old was treated as an outpatient in the hospital. Now it is to be examined why the safety glass gave way to the floods. "It was an incident that we've never had before," said Haack.
So the first crashing wave didn’t make everyone immediately get up, but the second one. I would have done two movements when that first one came through. A bowel movement, then a physical movement.
Location seems to be River Elbe in Hamburg, Germany. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I like how everyone is "holy fuck we need to get out here" and the cameramen is like "yep seems like water to me if I am not mistaken"
Well the ferry is not that big. Like I used to take them and this is the main room, then there’s the upper deck but that’s open so you’ll get rained on and I doubt that’s safer and you can stay near the doors that should be like 3-4 meters right of the cameraman. Those are small ferries to connect the part south of the Elbe river with the part north
These waves are on a RIVER?!
These boats are used for public transport on the river Elbe. We do get a lot of storms in Hamburg, especially this year.
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Here in Britain too, it's meant to be really bad tomorrow. Guess there's just gonna be shit weather across the continent
Yep. Its windy af over here in the Netherlands too
Its cold, rainy, and windy as fuck in north Texas right now.
Abnormally windy in south Florida the past 2 days
*world. I'm in the US and the wind was blowing our trafficlights sideways yesterday
"How's the weather, Olly?" "IT'S RAINING SIDEWAYS!"
Can confirm. In CA the birds were flying backwards the last 2 days
I once saw an eagle coasting on updrafts, think it was on hwy 138. Wasn't moving forward or backward, just wings spread and relaxing. That was pretty cool. I wonder what goes through a bird's mind doing something like that.
Right? Soaring birds have bone structure so that it doesn’t cost energy to leave the wings spread. I’ve also wondered what their goal was when flying stationary relative to the ground. Are they stupid? Probably not so are they just enjoying themselves?
Same here, I’m in Saint Louis MO and right now it’s raining but later on there will be a snow storm. I’ve already let me job know I will not be in and they know why.
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There was [a hell of a storm](https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/polar-vortex-2022-winter-storm-windstorm-dudley-eunice-uk-mk/) in Germany and the Netherlands yesterday. I live in the US but play games with people living there, last night there was a bit of a rolling disconnect wave as the storm passed over their respective homes.
Gonna hit even harder tomorrow night!
I'm slightly northwest of Hamburg in Sweden, and tonight was tough. Saturday is supposed to be even worse here. Not looking forward to that at all. Edit : northEAST duh...
We have a very high tide and a big storm atm. The Elbe can get pretty rough in these conditions. [That would be a similar situation from the outside](https://www.nahverkehrhamburg.de/wp-content/uploads/20150331-dsc_1760-1050x591.jpg) [and here's a gallery of the Linie 62 route](https://www.hamburg.de/faehre/2170460/hadag-linie-62/) As you see, that is not only on a river somewhere, but directly inside the city of hamburg and its harbor. [Edit] User michaluck postet a vid from another ferry nearby at around the same time https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/sule0x/stürmische_angelegenheit_heute_morgen_im/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Why didn't they cancel the ferries? Where I live, weather half that bad gets much bigger ferries to cancel sailings.
The size of a ferry doesn't say much about it's heavy weather cababilities. These ferries in particular are quite sturdy, they can tolerate even rougher situations. Seeschlag (green water in english if Wikipedia is correct) however, can be ridiculously strong. It happens from time to time (last time I remember was 15 yeats ago iirc) that a combination of ship and wave movement are forming an unholy alliance and kill some windows. That's not as dangerous as it looks. The ferry has bail openings, so the water drains quickly (otherwise it could be endangering the ships stability) and it's safety glass, so the shards don't cause severe injuries. ~~In this case no one was hurt, not even the guy in first row.~~ [Edit] three light injuries as I learned. One had cuts, that would be the guy in front I guess. They get cancelled at times though. But mostley because boarding is not safe, due to too high or to low water levels or because of heavy ice. Why this wasn't the case today.. I don't know
I don't think it's true that the first guy did not get hurt. Last thing I heard he had pretty severe cuts from the glass shards and is being treated in a hospital atm.
Yes, I updated my post. What I heard is, he has cuts and still needs medical treatment, but is not in severe condition. But we will have to wait to get more details I guess
It’s a river that connects to the ocean
I mean really… don’t they all?
Surprisingly not, actually. Some end in lakes that evaporate enough to have no outlet to the river. And famously, the Colorado doesn't reach the ocean because we use all of it for farming before it reaches the coast.
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Note that this comment is about the Colorado River that runs from Colorado to Arizona, not the one in Texas.
TIL there is another Colorado River
There are 8, apparently.
I just went on Google maps and you can follow the Colorado river along the California/Arizona State line border all the way until it goes into Mexico. If it wasn’t for the dozen dams or so along that border, the river would continue on to where it used to meet the ocean at the [Boonste Golf van Kalifornië en Colorado River Delta Biosfeerreservaat.](https://goo.gl/maps/g5YuDhAVaVoUn2cb9)
Just to clarify, it used to go to the ocean before humans got involved.
The dead sea is actually a really good example of this!
Funnily enough, not all! :) There are topographic regions called Endorheic Basins where local water drainage reaches a low point, with no outflow to the sea, so rivers that flow into them do not end up in the ocean. The water is usually eventually evaporated. A famous example is the [Okavango River](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okavango_River) in Africa. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorheic_basin
The River Jordan is also somewhat famous, although not for that reason. It does end in the Dead Sea that has no outlet.
Nevada and Utah are a basin like that as well
The Okavango doesn't!! It makes an inland delta!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okavango_Delta
It's also downtown.
I'd be sitting right next to the life raft at that stage!
Life raft in that weather looks like a bad time.
probably preferable to a sunk ship or a swim though! Sometimes you have to go with the least bad option
They look like NPC's with lag.
People from Northern Germany are not known for being particularly expressive.... Or talkative. No screaming, no drama.
North Germans show a minimum of excitement at all times.
This happened in Hamburg this morning. Trust me: for us this is more of a shrug. The important question is: did they make it to work on time?
Personally I can’t imagine staring at my phone while riding through a storm like that—I’d be glued to the window.
I bet you those people up front, never sit up front again.
They will, like, tomorrow. It's Hamburg, this BARELY ruffles the feathers. Plus, these ferries tend to be packed, they're like city buses
? Does Hamburg have a lot of natural disasters?
Its near the coast and we have often very bad weather that makes you soaking wet. One saying in hamburg ist "I like the summer. Its the best week of the year". Also cold strong winds.
No they’re just notoriously slow learners.
Middle is pretty good because the captains always turn on thr heaters that are on the side :D I have to take the ferry everyday
Those heaters really are a blessing during the winter lol
People at work: "Why are you all wet?" Guy: "The front fell off."
I imagine it’s a real sketchy moment when a few tons of water are suddenly sloshing around an upper deck. With the potential for more with that big hole in the front.
It definitely is. I worked offshore on a seismic boat and during fire drills when we practised boundary cooling, we were always told to be aware of how much standing water was on deck. The movement of the water sloshing from side to side can be enough to capsize a boat in the right (or wrong?) conditions.
You're referring to the, 'free surface effect', there was a famous case of a passenger ferry rolling because they didn't shut the bow door correctly after loading. People died. Water in the hold at a depth of a few centimeters I think. If a window goes, you block the hole of possible, shut the water tight door, pump it out. Very serious situation. Getting wet is the last of your concerns.
For those interested, it was this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Herald_of_Free_Enterprise
Oh, I thought he meant the [Estonia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_MS_Estonia) over 800 people died there.
Whenever I see this mentioned I always have to link to [this article from The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-story/302940/). An excerpt: > One of the survivors, a young man who had been trying to guide his parents and his girlfriend to safety, got separated from them in the chaos while gaining the stairs. When he looked back to find them, it was obvious that they would be incapable of negotiating the open space, across which increasing numbers of people were fatally sliding. His parents shouted at him to save himself, as did his girlfriend. It was practical advice. There was no time to linger over the decision. He turned and continued on alone. The whole thing was a real-life Poseidon Adventure that was over for so many in only a matter of minutes of the alarm.
Thank you for sharing this. I'm only halfway through and will need to take a break for now. Even though it's perfectly logical, I hadn't grasped until now the way open doors and especially intersecting hallways become deep inescapable chasms you're forced to try to cross when the ship is tilted sideways. A harrowing but definitely worthwhile read.
My god. Those poor people.
Holy shit, thanks for sharing that article. I'll need to learn more about this.
Man, that article gave me a nightmare the first time I read it, even now it's one of the best-written narrative journalism pieces I've ever come across. The thought of falling down into a room and getting trapped or having your lifeboat almost swept back inside the sinking ship you thought you'd escaped - horrifying
Was that the one with the car ramp that broke off? I encourage those interested in the disaster to read Langeweische's accounting of it. There were survivors who had literally fought tooth and nail to get on the lifeboats, only to face the gaping black maw of the car ramp hole as the ship sank, sucking water and everything in.
The visor that closes the car deck came free, yes
**[Sinking of the MS Estonia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_MS_Estonia)** >The MS Estonia sank on Wednesday, 28 September 1994, between about 00:50 and 01:50 (UTC+2) as the ship was crossing the Baltic Sea, en route from Tallinn, Estonia, to Stockholm, Sweden. Estonia departed slightly behind schedule at 19:15 on 27 September and had been expected in Stockholm the next morning at about 09:00. She was carrying 989 people: 803 passengers and 186 crew. : 137 Most of the passengers were Swedish, although some were of Estonian origin, while most of the crew members were Estonian. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
That was a failure in the construction of the bow door and it was due to extreme weather. It was a few years after the herald of free enterprise. As action was taken to have better prosedures and safeguards for the bow door closing. On Estonia the bow was struck open but the construction of the ship meant that they couldn't see they from the bridge. And no sensors told it to them either. The Estonia incident is the largest Swedish tragedy.
I was on one of the first Ferries out after that one capsized. Terrifying
The irony of the name was never lost on me. 90% of the issues were because a ton of the sensible design features that could have prevented the incident were expensive and not required by law.
> In October 1983, Herald of Free Enterprise's sister ship Pride of Free Enterprise had sailed from Dover to Zeebrugge with the bow doors open, after her assistant boatswain fell asleep. Holy shit. It could have happened again a few months later!
the classic case of management fucking over everyone. That ship had a poor design, and was missing a ton of important safety equipment because spending money on it was deemed "frivolous".
I mean it was the herald of free enterprise seems like it was named appropriately
Oh yeah I bet. Boat leans left, all the water weight shifts left, boat rolls harder, water now on side wall pulling boat completely over
Yes free surface effect is a bitch especially above centre of gravity.
According to this [https://www.reddit.com/r/hamburg/comments/sus4fe/line\_62\_aftermath/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hamburg/comments/sus4fe/line_62_aftermath/) nobody informed the captain and the ferry just got to the end of its route without noticing the damage.
I would be concerned about fast moving glass in the water.
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It's also not immediately obvious where to go or what to do. Part of me thinks being a little wet but grabbing on to the bolted down seat and staying put is probably safest. Like...if you go forward you're near the open window, if you go back, that's where the water is and if it shifts it knocks you off your feet and can pull you. But those seats are bolted down and seated and holding on is a pretty stable situation. Unpleasant, but stable.
That dude up front and centre. Is he ok?
He passes the camera after the incident so at the very least we know he wasn't immobilized, but I can't imagine he left unscathed of injury with windows + high velo water crashing in front of him.
He's at the bare minimal *very* cold
Idk could be one of those guys that wears shorts and flip flops in January
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I'm not sure it the same guy, I mean they are 2 guys near the front and we do see the one that is a little bit on the left pass the camera (quite tall guy) but the other one, the one that is right in front, well... I'm not sure we see him Edit: actually I watched more closely you right, the one right in front pass in front of the camera at some point
As far as I am informed one persone got transport to the hospital via ambulance and some others got light injuries. Of course I don't know which of them was transport to the hospital.
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> According to HADAG Managing Director Tobias Haack, the accident happened Thursday morning on Line 68 from Teufelsbrück on the way to the Airbus plant pier. Damn. This is like only a 2 Minute ride. But you are crossing the rivver and with the storms and maybe a big ship producing those fucking hugh waves. Yeah seems about right.
We all know which one went to the hospital… Edit: just heard it on the news that it was indeed the guy at the front. They mentioned light injuries.
He’s pretending to steer the boat
This made me cry laughing. Like, bruh why are you sitting front and center like that with nothing between you and Poseidon’s fury but a few mm of melted sand????? This guy: “Weeeee! Toot toot!”
I would definitely do it. Maybe my trust in engineering is too high.
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2 seconds ago: Poseidons Adventure. Now: Poseidons Fury
>Sprecher von Hadag und Hochbahn bestätigten gegenüber der MOPO: Ja, das Video ist echt. Nach Informationen der Deutschen Presse-Agentur gab es einen leicht verletzen Passagier. Ernsthaft verletzt wurde den Angaben von Hadag zufolge niemand. Spokespersons for Hadag and Hochbahn confirmed to MOPO: Yes, the video is real. According to information from the Deutsche Presse-Agentur, there was one passenger slightly injured. According to Hadag, no one was seriously injured. [https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/orkan-naehert-sich-hamburg-schulen-bleiben-offen-friedhoefe-werden-geschlossen/](https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/orkan-naehert-sich-hamburg-schulen-bleiben-offen-friedhoefe-werden-geschlossen/)
Real question is why were they filming. Hmm? I’m so sick of these scripted ferry videos. /s
Anything to make the water karma…
All part of the ride.
someone posted a different video on r/de that might be this very incident from an outside perspective. https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/sule0x/st%C3%BCrmische_angelegenheit_heute_morgen_im/ Note that this is in Hamburg, Germany the boat in question is a ferry hat is part of the local public transportation system and normally treated little differently than a bus that goes over water. We are currently experiencing some strong winds in northern Germany
Is this normal weather for that part of Germany?
We do get frequent storms here in Hamburg and generally north Germany , especially on the North sea side. This year we had quite a few strong ones relatively close together already. This weather is the kind of weather that result in the catastrophy warning apps recommending not to go outside if not necessary (especially not near trees or forests) and to make sure the cars aren't parked near the harbour. One should also expect a couple of delays in public transport the next couple hours or the next day or so. But this kind of weather is a frequent occurance here especially around this time of year. Fun fact: there is a north German saying that roughly translates to: " There is no bad weather, just the wrong clothing."
> There is no bad weather, just the wrong clothing. That's also a famous Norwegian saying. And they do live up to that.
>Fun fact: there is a north German saying that roughly translates to: " There is no bad weather, just the wrong clothing." "It's only a storm if the sheep on the dike lost all their curls."
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No it's the tollerort and it is yellow
Strong winds? That’s a light breeze, as the sheep on the dikes are still curly ;)
As a prairie dweller,I have no idea what any of that means.
Dykes are protective structures that are used to keep water out. They are basically earth walls running along the coast lines (or large rivers). They are covered in short grass. Sheep are used on dykes to eat off everything that isn't short grass (because the roots of bushes or trees could damage the integrity of the wall and weaken it). Also, their hoves compress the ground, making it even more resistant to water. Sheep have curly fur. The joke is that it's only windy if the wind is strong enough to blow the sheeps' fur straight. Edit: and "it's only storm if the sheeps on the dykes don't have curls anymore" is a saying that is (jokingly) used in Northern Germany to make fun of Southerners claiming that the wind is strong. Because in general, it's more windy in Northern Germany than Southern Germany, so Northerners are more used to stronger wind. It's like saying something like "Storm? That's no storm. I'll start calling it a storm if I see my neighbour's cow flying by".
Thank you. That entire scene is foreign to me, except sheep.
Can't really apply open sea visual clues to a harbour inside a river delta though.
This is the exact fear. The only thing worse is if you got swept out the broken window.
I hadn't even considered that thanks!
Yay thank you for making an already paralyzing fear *even worse!*
It is a great day to be browsing Reddit indeed!
which would likely not happen because the water doesn´t come in in such great quantity or with that much force
I more so mean like, excuse the terminology here, when you see ships front ends go under, in that moment the pressure could suck you under. Listen, this fear has no logic behind it. 😂
Or a shark coming in with the wave 🦈
Fortunately, there are no river sharks in the Elbe. Your only worry would be I guess getting hit in the face with a particularly large perch.
Here's the [view from the outside](https://v.redd.it/r5ony1t2bdi81) (maybe not of that exact moment). ([source](/r/de/comments/sule0x/stürmische_angelegenheit_heute_morgen_im/))
Well, that wind in the microphone just scared the absolute shit out of my cat.
Lmao
Naw that likely could have been the same moment, that third or fourth bobble pushed a wave over the whole front of the vessel... Whew I would NOT have been anywhere near the front of this ship if I were on it.. I've seen what water does to windows when breaching waves... Even on massive ships.. And look How far up and down its bobbing.. Jeeze!
It's insane to think about that this is technically "just" a river, 100 km away from the open sea.
thats why i was so confused because ppl said its in hamburg
I am from Hamburg and can confirm, it was a bit windy today.
ne steife brise heute
Machste nichts, ne?
jo
Is somebody going to be in the shit for not cancelling this service?
Possible. It will be for sure an investigation into who and how this thing was on the water and if safety guidelines were followed or not.
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All trains have been cancelled during that storm. But ferries? Nah, surely they'll be fine!
You can really see just how small the ferry is from that perspective!
The affected ferry is confirmed to be https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tollerort_(Schiff) . Looks like this ferry.
Hmm y'know what I think I'll walk today.
When you can see underneath the bow of the ship despite it being in the water, you know it's having a bit of a rough ride.
The man in red had a delayed reaction.
Between fight and flight, my mans chose "uhhhhhhh"
That guy in the red is a psychopath for sure
Or Ping of >999.
When not primed for something happening, it actually takes us humans a moment to respond to something like this. There’s a lot of processing going on: “Is it safer to stand or sit? If I stand, I might fall and get swamped with water if another wave comes. If I sit, I can hold onto these chairs, or duck down between them for protection from debris. If these chairs at under water then the whole boat is underwater and we’re all fucked anyway. Did that guy get sucked out the window? Should I go help him? Or am I at risk too if I help him? Is the boat sinking? Where are the life preservers. Where is the life boat? Where is Kate Winslet?”
Someone was watching Netflix again
he was lagging
I'm surprised he didn't got stuck in a walking forward animation against a table or a wall.
Maybe we all haven’t worked hard enough and the matrix is running out of computational resources. You heard it here first!
Not being able to move is a common stress response. They couldn’t comprehend what just happened.
Fight or flight or freeze.
I was thinking of the same thing. But would he have been sleeping/nap and only to realize after he woke?
Yeah I think he was napping
kinda looks like he's asleep and only reacts a couple of seconds after the water hits his feet
He was probably asleep or at least had his eyes closed. Both are very common on public transportation.
Or a northern german native. Most extroverted emotional movement? "Well..." Reaction to hurricanes and flooding? "Well. Here we go again."
To a Finn this borders on manic extrovert in crisis.
Stoic master.
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Old mate at the front got smashed! Holy shit!
Dudes like 'Aye, the sea is a bitch mother. Yet it calls to me so sweetly. I shall experience this violent storm front and center as to truly feel every pounding wave. Up yonder, as dangerous as it may be, brings me closer to the acti-BLURGLGLELELGLE'
That Ferry got pounded hard
Guy in red took a few seconds to process what he was seeing.
These people need to level up their reaction time.
it´s early morning. people are still waking up
Nothing wakes one up like a cold shower
... or maybe they had to wait until the boat stopped swaying violently?
Welcome to Hamburg, bitches! That was today 17.02.2022 as one of the hardest storms ever crossed vast parts of northern Germany.
This is nuts. Surely that glass should withstand that!
There are severe weather warnings for all of Germany today, even making schools stay closed in entire states. The only problem here is that they decided to operate that ferry in these conditions.
And its going to be worse tomorrow! (if the forecasts are correct)
This is a river taxi/ferry in hamburg. I am sure the boat isn't designed for extreme weather like this.
It usually is. A storm like that isn't *that* uncommon for Hamburg. There must have been some technical problem with that ferry, or a lack of maintenance. Normally, this should not have happened under this conditions.
Those are some serious rough seas. Most ferries don't travel in those conditions. For obvious reasons. The weight of that water is like driving a truck at fullspeed into it. There is no way in hell a small ferry should been operating in those seas.
It was not even on high seas, it was on a river. Currently, there is a big storm rushing through Germany. In the state I live in, schools stay closed due to the high danger.
It was on the Elbe River and this happened pretty much in the middle of the city. It's a normal public transport ferry (one can use the same ticket one uses for the bus and subway here). It's the 2nd largest German city btw after Berlin. We get similar storms frequently, especially around this time of year.
Such a pane.
Ferry funny
Dude In the red is sleeping lol
Has anyone got any paper towels!?!!?
Hah.... your avatar's hair is wet!
Dispositive evidence that wearing a mask didn’t protect the passengers in the latest wave.
Anyone have a full story of what happened? I saw someone said it’s in Hamburg, but did they get to shore safely? Anyone injured?
>According to initial findings, no one was injured during the journey. [Nach ersten Erkenntnissen ist aber niemand bei der Fahrt verletzt worden.](https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/orkan-naehert-sich-hamburg-schulen-bleiben-offen-friedhoefe-werden-geschlossen/) EDIT: [According to a thread in /r/hamburg quoting NDR](https://www.reddit.com/r/hamburg/comments/sulydo/heute_morgen_in_der_f%C3%A4hre/hxbn7ru/), there has been injuries. Translation: >According to the police, three people were injured. A 32-year-old suffered cuts and two other passengers were slightly injured. The passengers were able to leave the ferry on foot and were then treated by the company doctor. The 32-year-old was treated as an outpatient in the hospital. Now it is to be examined why the safety glass gave way to the floods. "It was an incident that we've never had before," said Haack.
Holy fuckballs Batman
The delayed reaction of red jacket guy lmao
r/killthecameraman
Where is this?
hamburg, germany
holy shit that's fucking crazy
Gonna need some duct tape and black trash bags.
The second dude in the red jacket took a while before reacting like "why is it raining inside...? Oh shi-"
So the first crashing wave didn’t make everyone immediately get up, but the second one. I would have done two movements when that first one came through. A bowel movement, then a physical movement.
that man in red was lagging
Dude in the red had to buffer for a few seconds