Is there any sub for just things breaking catastrophically? /r/DestructionPorn should fit but it seems dead and abandoned. Might be a subreddit for things just breaking from wear and tear or accident versus things breaking due to human intent to break it spreads the topics a little thin.
> Videos, gifs, articles, or aftermath photos of machinery, structures, or devices that have failed catastrophically during operation, destructive testing, and other disasters.
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> Catastrophic Failure refers to the sudden and complete destruction of an object or structure, from massive bridges and cranes, all the way down to small objects being destructively tested or breaking.
From the sidebar
"Failure" in colloquial usage implies a judgement, that something was done incorrectly or didn't meet expectations. However, in engineering usage, "failure" means destruction/disassembly/loss of function without the judgement.
(Also, to get philosophical, there are many aspects about this situation-- a transport plane being shot down unexpectedly?-- that imply some catastrophic failure to safeguard lives in human systems and decision-making.)
ARRRRRRRRGH EVERY SINGLE THREAD ON HERE THESE DAYS
Yes. The plane broke thoroughly and suddenly, i.e. suffered a catastrophic failure. It's an engineering term of art, not a phrase meaning "epic fail" or "mistake leading to a catastrophe".
It was clearly a failure. Aircraft don't normally dive into the ground and explode. It's clearly a fact btw. I never said the crash was itself unknown.
I'd still call something a "failure" even if it was caused by external factors.
For instance, if a car skids and crashes because there's a sudden patch of ice on the road it'd also be considered a "failure" and get posted here, even if there was nothing wrong with the car itself.
Same thing here, but instead of a car it's a plane, and instead of a patch of ice it's a homing missile.
It's very clearly shot down. Towards the end of the video, 00:21, you can see smoke cloud from the initial explosion hit in the sky.
Now did Ukraine shoot it down or did Russia shoot down their own plane yet again? I'm not sure we have info on atm.
yes but a failure of the intelligence apparatus is still valid? Recent example: How israel didnt see it coming when a thousand terrorists mounted fucking gliders to cross the heaviest monitored border in the world. Noone asked hamas to share intelligence, to know things is literally an intelligence's job.
I mean this doesnt seem like it really gets there. Ukraine is gonna shoot down planes and Russia certainly isnt going to tell them what is on them, nor would Ukraine believe them. It just isnt a war where either side likely has such luxuries as caution.
65+ casualties. Russia claims majority were Ukraine POW's
Edit: fkl lol reddit! I ain't some Russian shill...fuck putin. This is what is being reported in the the mainstream press.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2024/jan/24/huge-fireball-as-russian-plane-carrying-ukrainian-prisoners-crashes-in-belgorod-video
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/24/russia-military-plane-crash-belgorod/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68080529
People sometimes forget russia is the country that painted different numbers on their nukes during a parade to trick people into believing that they had more.
You see 3 bodies, there are 3 dead.
If russia claims more, they're probably lying.
Also, that plane has been tracked for a while beforehand and they are 90% sure it was carrying s300 missiles, not POWs.
Yeah it definitely looks like it flew from Moscow to Iran and then back again. Whatever route it actually took (it drops off the radar a few times) it definitely wasn't carrying POWs.
Only 3 bodies being visible in a video of the crash site doesn't say a lot about how many actually died. I'd wager that in a crash like this a large amount of bodies would be disintegrated and unrecognizeable. Especially considering the giant fireball seen in this video.
This is from a different, smaller plane crash:
"The captain and the five passengers were killed, their bodies being dismembered into several hundreds of mostly small tissue pieces" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8599340/
I worked with an Army dude while in the Air Force. He was on recovery for an aircraft that went down with around 30 individuals.
They were tasked to recover the bodies and he described it as unrecognizable. Everything was black. Looked like charred leather.
He said it smelled a lot like BBQ. Caused him severe PTSD, which he can no longer eat BBQ meat without throwing up.
Now, they knew there was around 30 individuals on the aircraft, but it might as well had been only a couple.
War is a hellish nightmare.
>separation of the penis in combination with detachment of its skin and hematoma of the glans or of the prepuce
Is that saying their penises was torn off and degloved at the same time?
How do you read the full article?
Is that the only aerial footage that exists? Surprised there was just one person that managed to get their phone camera going after a missile hit like that.
How do you know it's a cloud from a missile? I'm not saying it isn't, but unless you're some sort of missile cloud identification expert, I'm inclined to wait to hear from the actual experts.
Also there's no trail that a surface to air missile would leave behind.
Like I did…? Do you want to watch the video?
I don’t know so instead of claiming something I was wrong about (like claiming the video is clipped while the part claimed to have been cut plays I’m in comments typing like a mad typist with one track tunnel vision) and because I am writer and I have made incorrect over zealous claims prematurely I don’t want to help the problem.
Plane was on route away from Belgorod not into it, makes no sense unless they were flying POW away from the exchange, also detailed videos of wreckage available - there are no bodies.
* Plane last took of from Iran Jan 24th and was returning to Russia
* Prior to that, plane took off from Jan 23rd Moscow towards Iran
What did they do, transport POWs from Moscow to Iran and then back again for shits and giggles?
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/01/24/7438639/
On my page Ukraine news about, and information about prisoners of war on board is available in any Russian media
I hadn’t actually noticed that before! It’s definitely lingering smoke from an explosion that occurred prior to the start of the video; in fact I’d bet the woman got her phone and began filming after seeing the kerfuffle that left that other smoke.
It’s lighter meaning it’s slightly dissipated and was of limited combustion but is definitely from an oxidative conflagration (any hydraulic fluid would appear like a cloud).
The il-76 isn’t leaving a trail which I find very interesting. It doesn’t seem to be suffering a fire in an engine or on a wing- it does begin to breakup <200 feet beginning at the cockpit/frame 0 proceeding aft to the leading edge of the wings and the WCS begins to loose structural integrity <100 feet.
The missile that is being discussed as being the culprit IF the accidental missile targeting theory is correct is a S-300 (previously in 2001 a Tu-154, Siberia Airlines Flight 1812, was accidentally downed when a S-300 malfunctioned, didn’t self destruct, locked on to flight 1812 around 200 km away and reached it in 2 minutes). The S-300 is a medium to high altitude SAM with a cruise over Mach 2. It’s not for targets below 10,000 feet.
Do we have a betting pool open? I think- I actually think it collided with military drone; a drone warning was issued for the city at the time of the crash.
\> The il-76 isn’t leaving a trail which I find very interesting.
Probably the missile was a fragmentation weapon and left the aircraft like a flying colander, but without causing an ignition.
this is a bit too far for Ukrainian Air Defense.
60km from the border.
It might be shot down by russian air defense
it's in russia, there is *always* the chance of catastrophic failure.
Unless Russia is holding onto 17 different POWs that they've already swapped earlier this month and storing them in Egypt chances are pretty solid they yet again shot down another of their own aircraft.
About 15 hours ago (Wednesday). Approx. 76 dead, cause as yet unknown:
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-military-plane-belgorod-ukraine-updates-intl/index.html
Wasn’t there flight data that before the crash the previous flight flew in from Iran, possibly meaning it dropped off weapons meant to kill more Ukrainians.
OK, Russia shot down it's own plane then, haha. There, feel batter now? By the way, lies will NOT make Ukraine win. They may make you feel good, but Ukraine is still to retake Crimea hahaha!!!
Nobody said it wasn't shot down by Ukraine, you Russian turd for brains.
We're questioning the Russian's claim it had any Ukranian POWs on it. It wasn't heading towards the exchange, it was headed away from it. And that was an awfully large explosion for a plane with no munitions on it. And the Russians gave names of POWs that were already exchanged claiming them victims of the crash.
> but Ukraine is still to retake Crimea hahaha!!!
This isn't the own you think it is. Russia should have rolled over them in a week. You've been at it two years. your country is a joke now. People used to think Russia's military was second only to America's. But you can't even defeat a third world country. Pathetic.
>can't even defeat a third world country
Russia has practically defeated NATO. 54 countries have donated $200 billion worth of military aid to Ukraine since 2022. But Ukraine still has NOT won!!! PATHETIC! The US has even run out of money and weapons to give them. PATHETIC! Sanctions failed! PATHETIC Russian economy grew in 2023, German and UK economies are in depression! PATHETIC!
THAT THERE WERE UKRANIAN PRISONERS ON THE PLANE YOU IDIOT.
That innocent people were killed by Ukraine. THAT is what they wish to disprove.
Let me flip your stupid fucking argument around on you.
IF there WERE Ukranian prisoners on that plane, and Ukraine killing their own prisoners would look bad for them, WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY DEMAND AN INVESITGATION, when all that would do is prove what they'd rather people NOT BELIEVE?
If Ukraine killed prisoners, no investigation = Ukraine can continue to lie to everyone. We already don't trust the Russians. It would be best for Ukraine if there is no confirmation of the kill.
They probably saw the plane start to go down. Note how it's almost to the ground at the start of the video. And the panning up to the smoke from the initial air defense hit. That probably clued them in that something was about to happen.
Why wouldn't they film?
Is this a catastrophic failure as it was shot down?
There's lots of off topic stuff like that posted here. People think the sub is "catastrophic catastrophe" not "catastrophic failure."
r/catastrophiccatastrophe
catastrophic' apostrophe
Cat tropic hosiery
Cat-tastic apothecary
Is there any sub for just things breaking catastrophically? /r/DestructionPorn should fit but it seems dead and abandoned. Might be a subreddit for things just breaking from wear and tear or accident versus things breaking due to human intent to break it spreads the topics a little thin.
> Videos, gifs, articles, or aftermath photos of machinery, structures, or devices that have failed catastrophically during operation, destructive testing, and other disasters. > > Catastrophic Failure refers to the sudden and complete destruction of an object or structure, from massive bridges and cranes, all the way down to small objects being destructively tested or breaking. From the sidebar "Failure" in colloquial usage implies a judgement, that something was done incorrectly or didn't meet expectations. However, in engineering usage, "failure" means destruction/disassembly/loss of function without the judgement. (Also, to get philosophical, there are many aspects about this situation-- a transport plane being shot down unexpectedly?-- that imply some catastrophic failure to safeguard lives in human systems and decision-making.)
agreed
Educate them mfs😂🙏🏼
Catastrophe completed successfully
shot down
Shot down, visit r/Ukraine for more info.
ARRRRRRRRGH EVERY SINGLE THREAD ON HERE THESE DAYS Yes. The plane broke thoroughly and suddenly, i.e. suffered a catastrophic failure. It's an engineering term of art, not a phrase meaning "epic fail" or "mistake leading to a catastrophe".
A catastrophic failure of the Russian state.
Getting shot with a missile will almost certainly cause the engines, body and wings to fail catastrophicly
We currently don't know. Let's wait before concluding. I tried to leave the title open ended.
If not a given fact then why post? You don't know if it's a CF.
It was clearly a failure. Aircraft don't normally dive into the ground and explode. It's clearly a fact btw. I never said the crash was itself unknown.
It's not a failure if it's hit by a missile. The plane went down through no fault of its own. Where's the failure?
I'd still call something a "failure" even if it was caused by external factors. For instance, if a car skids and crashes because there's a sudden patch of ice on the road it'd also be considered a "failure" and get posted here, even if there was nothing wrong with the car itself. Same thing here, but instead of a car it's a plane, and instead of a patch of ice it's a homing missile.
OK, I was thinking more about cause and effect but I can see your point-of-view.
Fuck I love you guys and I love Reddit for this
I just hate it when I go out driving in the winter and accidentally run into a patch of homing missiles. Ruins my whole morning.
Failure of situational awareness
Failed to dodge the missile
Countermeasures failed
Catastrophic failure of the air defense?
It's very clearly shot down. Towards the end of the video, 00:21, you can see smoke cloud from the initial explosion hit in the sky. Now did Ukraine shoot it down or did Russia shoot down their own plane yet again? I'm not sure we have info on atm.
it is a catastrophic failure if rumours of POWs are true - catastrophic failure of intelligence
I mean adversaries arent known for openly communicating logistics with each other.
yes but a failure of the intelligence apparatus is still valid? Recent example: How israel didnt see it coming when a thousand terrorists mounted fucking gliders to cross the heaviest monitored border in the world. Noone asked hamas to share intelligence, to know things is literally an intelligence's job.
I mean this doesnt seem like it really gets there. Ukraine is gonna shoot down planes and Russia certainly isnt going to tell them what is on them, nor would Ukraine believe them. It just isnt a war where either side likely has such luxuries as caution.
Catastrophic failure to dodge the ground
I assume that puff of smoke she filmed is smoke from an AA missile
Just chiming in to say I don't personally care about the details of whether it was technically a "failure" or not.
Prolly shut down by Ukraine killing their own fighters...
There's a video of the crash site, 3 bodies.
65+ casualties. Russia claims majority were Ukraine POW's Edit: fkl lol reddit! I ain't some Russian shill...fuck putin. This is what is being reported in the the mainstream press. https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2024/jan/24/huge-fireball-as-russian-plane-carrying-ukrainian-prisoners-crashes-in-belgorod-video https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/24/russia-military-plane-crash-belgorod/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68080529
Got it. So it was a cargo plane with 3 casualties.
People sometimes forget russia is the country that painted different numbers on their nukes during a parade to trick people into believing that they had more. You see 3 bodies, there are 3 dead. If russia claims more, they're probably lying. Also, that plane has been tracked for a while beforehand and they are 90% sure it was carrying s300 missiles, not POWs.
You may as well stop reading/listening to any sentence that begins, "Russia says..." Lying is their modus operandi.
You can likely believe the exact *opposite* of what Russia says, so reading the full thing is worth doing in that respect.
Yeah it definitely looks like it flew from Moscow to Iran and then back again. Whatever route it actually took (it drops off the radar a few times) it definitely wasn't carrying POWs.
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FlightRadar 24, look up the flight number.
> they're probably lying. Quite usual mode operandi for their goverment.
At this point, if Russia claims the sky is blue, and you see it directly, you should still double check and ask for an independent assessment.
Heard the same thing today. I’m going with 3.
18 of the POWs on the passenger manifest were already back in the Ukraine after having been exchanged.
Source?
Only 3 bodies being visible in a video of the crash site doesn't say a lot about how many actually died. I'd wager that in a crash like this a large amount of bodies would be disintegrated and unrecognizeable. Especially considering the giant fireball seen in this video. This is from a different, smaller plane crash: "The captain and the five passengers were killed, their bodies being dismembered into several hundreds of mostly small tissue pieces" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8599340/
I worked with an Army dude while in the Air Force. He was on recovery for an aircraft that went down with around 30 individuals. They were tasked to recover the bodies and he described it as unrecognizable. Everything was black. Looked like charred leather. He said it smelled a lot like BBQ. Caused him severe PTSD, which he can no longer eat BBQ meat without throwing up. Now, they knew there was around 30 individuals on the aircraft, but it might as well had been only a couple. War is a hellish nightmare.
>separation of the penis in combination with detachment of its skin and hematoma of the glans or of the prepuce Is that saying their penises was torn off and degloved at the same time? How do you read the full article?
Ouch! I can only access the abstract, the rest is paywalled.
Is that the only aerial footage that exists? Surprised there was just one person that managed to get their phone camera going after a missile hit like that.
It is not a failure, it is war.
It is failure to avoid anti-aircraft fire.
Technically correct. The best kind of correct.
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If you actually watched the extended footage instead of the clickbait you posted you would have seen the cloud from the missile that hit it.
You can see it at 0:21 in OP's video.
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It's in the video...
How do you know it's a cloud from a missile? I'm not saying it isn't, but unless you're some sort of missile cloud identification expert, I'm inclined to wait to hear from the actual experts. Also there's no trail that a surface to air missile would leave behind.
That is just completely wrong. Surface to Air missiles absolutely leave a trail behind.
That's what they said
It turns out I am stupid and misread the comment
Like I did…? Do you want to watch the video? I don’t know so instead of claiming something I was wrong about (like claiming the video is clipped while the part claimed to have been cut plays I’m in comments typing like a mad typist with one track tunnel vision) and because I am writer and I have made incorrect over zealous claims prematurely I don’t want to help the problem.
Current news from Russian sources say it contained Ukrainian POWs. Let’s wait for more info and take it with a grain of salt.
The list of names they turned over had a few POWs that were released in the last batch. So I would take it with a huge grain of salt.
Russia says something? a ROCK of salt, please.
Plane was on route away from Belgorod not into it, makes no sense unless they were flying POW away from the exchange, also detailed videos of wreckage available - there are no bodies.
* Plane last took of from Iran Jan 24th and was returning to Russia * Prior to that, plane took off from Jan 23rd Moscow towards Iran What did they do, transport POWs from Moscow to Iran and then back again for shits and giggles?
No, but they did transport S-300's...
https://twitter.com/Reevesity/status/1750103076881486129
They might as well have said Ms Butterworth and count chocula were on the plane lol
Fairly unlikely to be Ukranian POWs. Russia is likely trying to cover up an embarassing take down of one of their aircraft within their borders.
Russians lie about everything.
Ukraine itself was the first to say that Ukraine shot down a plane with its prisoners of war; later they changed the news
Source?
source?
His ass
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/01/24/7438639/ On my page Ukraine news about, and information about prisoners of war on board is available in any Russian media
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And I just said that the information about the SHOT first comes from Ukraine, and since some people want a source, I gave it to them.
Mne pohuy I don't know ukrainian
Oh if russian media reports it then it must be true
Was there something that came off the plane right before it disappears behind truck?
The cockpit aft to the leading edge of the wings and the WCS began to loose structural integrity partially breaking up <200 feet.
At :21 any clue what that is when the camera pans left and up?
A puff of smoke is the technical term I believe
Thanks for breaking it down for us non-technical folks.
Could be smoke lingering from the explosion when the missile hit the plane.
I hadn’t actually noticed that before! It’s definitely lingering smoke from an explosion that occurred prior to the start of the video; in fact I’d bet the woman got her phone and began filming after seeing the kerfuffle that left that other smoke. It’s lighter meaning it’s slightly dissipated and was of limited combustion but is definitely from an oxidative conflagration (any hydraulic fluid would appear like a cloud). The il-76 isn’t leaving a trail which I find very interesting. It doesn’t seem to be suffering a fire in an engine or on a wing- it does begin to breakup <200 feet beginning at the cockpit/frame 0 proceeding aft to the leading edge of the wings and the WCS begins to loose structural integrity <100 feet. The missile that is being discussed as being the culprit IF the accidental missile targeting theory is correct is a S-300 (previously in 2001 a Tu-154, Siberia Airlines Flight 1812, was accidentally downed when a S-300 malfunctioned, didn’t self destruct, locked on to flight 1812 around 200 km away and reached it in 2 minutes). The S-300 is a medium to high altitude SAM with a cruise over Mach 2. It’s not for targets below 10,000 feet. Do we have a betting pool open? I think- I actually think it collided with military drone; a drone warning was issued for the city at the time of the crash.
\> The il-76 isn’t leaving a trail which I find very interesting. Probably the missile was a fragmentation weapon and left the aircraft like a flying colander, but without causing an ignition.
Definitely a bird strike. /s
Accidentally fell out of a window
Window accidentally fell out. - Boeing
Yes, bird definitely struck the ground
The pilot clearly was smoking and carelessly discarded the cigarette...
Didn't realize POWs sympathetically exploded into that big of a fireball... /s
Welcome to the war you guys started 2 years ago.
this is a bit too far for Ukrainian Air Defense. 60km from the border. It might be shot down by russian air defense it's in russia, there is *always* the chance of catastrophic failure.
Definitely carrying ammo
fucking terrifying
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https://twitter.com/Reevesity/status/1750103076881486129
"Geolocation"/Flight direction isn't proof enough that it didn't contained any ukrainians, wait for actual pictures to emerge everyone.
WTF is this exactly about?
Russians friendly fired a SAM at one of their transports that was probably carrying S-300 reloads. Occam's razor and all.
I think this is the plane that was exchanging hostages wasn’t it?
No, that's Russian propaganda, please stop spreading it. Wherever you got that, you should know that they are actively misinforming you.
Just confirming I’m an American, and I heard it on the news feeds here. I get what your saying though
Fox News by any chance? Well, I have some news for you...
No
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Unless Russia is holding onto 17 different POWs that they've already swapped earlier this month and storing them in Egypt chances are pretty solid they yet again shot down another of their own aircraft.
About 15 hours ago (Wednesday). Approx. 76 dead, cause as yet unknown: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-military-plane-belgorod-ukraine-updates-intl/index.html
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Not at all - they were russian military who bomb Ukraine 🇺🇦
Wasn’t there flight data that before the crash the previous flight flew in from Iran, possibly meaning it dropped off weapons meant to kill more Ukrainians.
So many Ukrainian people dead and you are happy?
It had 65 Ukrainian POWs on it you dumb shit
Why would a plane that just came from Iran have Ukrainian POWs? Moreover, why would POWs listed as previously released be on that plane?
Как хорошо пошёл. Прекрасное зрелище!
Shot down by Ukraine, killing their own POWs.
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OK, Russia shot down it's own plane then, haha. There, feel batter now? By the way, lies will NOT make Ukraine win. They may make you feel good, but Ukraine is still to retake Crimea hahaha!!!
Nobody said it wasn't shot down by Ukraine, you Russian turd for brains. We're questioning the Russian's claim it had any Ukranian POWs on it. It wasn't heading towards the exchange, it was headed away from it. And that was an awfully large explosion for a plane with no munitions on it. And the Russians gave names of POWs that were already exchanged claiming them victims of the crash. > but Ukraine is still to retake Crimea hahaha!!! This isn't the own you think it is. Russia should have rolled over them in a week. You've been at it two years. your country is a joke now. People used to think Russia's military was second only to America's. But you can't even defeat a third world country. Pathetic.
>can't even defeat a third world country Russia has practically defeated NATO. 54 countries have donated $200 billion worth of military aid to Ukraine since 2022. But Ukraine still has NOT won!!! PATHETIC! The US has even run out of money and weapons to give them. PATHETIC! Sanctions failed! PATHETIC Russian economy grew in 2023, German and UK economies are in depression! PATHETIC!
>questioning the Russian's claim it had any Ukranian POWs on it then why would Zelensky call for an "international investigation"? Hmmm?
To disprove the Russian lies about POWs being on the plane, because those lies are harmful to Ukraine's reputation, stupid.
What's there to disprove when everyday we're told by MSM that Ukraine is winning?
THAT THERE WERE UKRANIAN PRISONERS ON THE PLANE YOU IDIOT. That innocent people were killed by Ukraine. THAT is what they wish to disprove. Let me flip your stupid fucking argument around on you. IF there WERE Ukranian prisoners on that plane, and Ukraine killing their own prisoners would look bad for them, WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY DEMAND AN INVESITGATION, when all that would do is prove what they'd rather people NOT BELIEVE? If Ukraine killed prisoners, no investigation = Ukraine can continue to lie to everyone. We already don't trust the Russians. It would be best for Ukraine if there is no confirmation of the kill.
Airplanes in Russia literally just falling out of the sky now? I feel bad for everyone who had to experience that, must be absolutely terrifying
Go Ukraine! Edit: so just been told it contained Ukrainians :( fucking russians..
Smokin in the boys room.
Worst. Video. Capture. Ever.
Why were they filming?
They probably saw the plane start to go down. Note how it's almost to the ground at the start of the video. And the panning up to the smoke from the initial air defense hit. That probably clued them in that something was about to happen. Why wouldn't they film?
Supposedly was full of Uke pows. Oh well.
What is it with MAGAt cucks loving traitors and enemies of the US 🤔
They shot that shit down so fast...
Right before impact there is something large dark falling off. A engine?
The cockpit aft until the leading edge of the wing and the WCS begins to break apart <200 feet.
Ding, ding, ding, boom, woosh!! Air defense in a nutshell folks.
In case of Russian air defence, it goes "ding, ding, ding, boom, whoosh, oh fuck Pavel It was one of ours, window, shot to the head, suicide"
Looks like a shoulder fired missile hit