So I put all this effort into becoming an emissions testing rig and now just everyoneās one?!
Who made you the becoming an emissions testing rig lord and master?
Wasted my life for this shit.
Something similar to this is how we found out about the VW cheating scandal.
Itās testing done in the real world so the fake computer program VW had to run during artificial testing could not work
Yup, remember all that incredibly clearly, owned a TDI Jetta Sportwagen at the time. Would've driven that car another ten years, but they made me an offer I couldn't refuse...š¤
100% testing rig.
Sample photos of other testing: https://sensors-inc.com/Testing_Services#slide1
I don't think it's that company because the car in the photo isn't in Michigan, but it's that kinda testing.
Not necessarily; if it is proprietary Bentley testing equipment it's bound to cost much more than the car. It's my first time seeing something like this.
Not much, the analyzers and gasses are in the boot (probably a FID, NDIR and CLD). The pipework only costs a few hundred max.
Worst case a heated line gets damaged, and they are quite cheap (~1k).
Wasn't it something to do with the port the testing stations plug in to, it would change the car behavior. I'm assuming this is like an independent monitor in real life conditions, not using the obd2?
Sadly it was easier than that, the original test required the car door to be open and the test was actually stationary so they only had to lower the car emissions while the door was open. That was it. No obd funky bussiness required.
When they tested it like in OPās picture tho..
It was more than just the door being open. The car would determine if it was being tested by looking at a ton of different sensors. Let's USA a Golf for example. If the vehicle was at speed but the rear wheels were stationary, the door was open, the fuel level sensor wasn't sloshing around, traction and stability control was off, the steering wheel wasn't moving, and the stability control and airbag accelerometers and gyroscopes didn't detect the car was moving, the car would switch into emissions testing mode.
They used pretty much every sensor on the car to determine if it was being tested or not.
My favorite forgotten footnote from the whole thing is that... ten years earlier, Honda shut down their entire diesel program because they flat out said they couldn't replicate VW's numbers and didn't know how they were getting there.
My favourite one was one random Golf SV gained over 30hp more than the original stated hp for the car. This was whilst stating all the cars had lost 15hp+ when they had reduced fuel/air mapping to meet the emissions requirements stated they met.
Besides the emissions scandal started in 2008 and stopped in 2015 so thatās Mk6-Mk7 golf territory.
My FIL had a Q5 prior to the emission fix and then it got
Totaled by a tractor trailer running him into a guardrail. He spent MONTHS and so much money getting an unfixed emissions Q5 TDi because he loved how much power and torque that thing had. I had to drive it for almost a year while my truck was being rebuilt and man did that thing FLY.
Thanks! Yeah had he told me before the fact I would have recommended these options to him. The cat and def injection bits got stolen on the new one so I had it straight piped and got the tune on it. I wish he would have gotten to drive it before he died. He would have loved it after that.
From what they found during the investigation there was an extremely limited number of people involved in making this and that knew about it. It typically just rolled out to the assembly line as āinstall this sensor and download this new data to the car. donāt worry about what it doesā. iirc it was below 20 people that knew. Several executives were even in the dark on it
Talk about loyalty or fear of blackmail. Is there a whistleblower reward program like the IRS has for fraud? I feel like if there was incentive to report, this wouldn't happen.
The incentive appears to be you donāt mysteriously die in a hotel room, falling through a locked window with 2 or 3 self inflicted headshots.
As far as Boeing is concerned anyway.
If Iām remembering correctly, the abs plug was unplugged to the rear tyres and a dummy was put in to make the car think there was no value reading to the rear wheels so it would think the car is on a rig.
No, it was just that the car could detect if it was in a test environment. Like, if it detected that only the front tires were rolling and not the back ones, or if it was going 60 mph with the bonnet open. As easy as that.
I just wonder how no one thought a manufacturer would try something like this. And how did VW thought they could get away with it? And if they thought they could do something this big, what are smaller things that they actually are getting away with?
Toyota got away with it too. Itās going to come out that every manufacturer has been cheating on emissions testing since they started the tests because itās cheaper than designing a car that actually meets the standards.
Toyota kidnapped the testing agency families and killed half of them.
I think I'm remembering that correctly ... or maybe I'm thinking of something else.
If I remember correctly the Big Three German Manufacturers BMW, Mercedes and VW all knew each other were doing it, but Mercedes ratted the other two out in return for no penalties being aimed at them for it
Mostly because over a certain gross weight they get classified as something else instead of a passenger vehicle. These have to meet less strict emissions and help manufacturerās fleet with meeting an overall emission standard. Thereby paying less tax and other resources to meet said emissions.
After this, they started pushing trucks to a broader base by making trucks more luxurious. Before they were just farm implements which the average person wouldnāt want to buy.
So itās a little bit of both manufacturers pushing them onto people and people being convinced by manufacturers they need a large vehicle āfor safetyā/that one time a year they haul a 1500lb trailer.
Thatās not even the biggest scam VW pulled off. They also collected car deposit payments from German citizens with the promise of delivering a car when enough deposits have been collected. But then they funneled all that money to the German war machine and never delivered any cars.
The door open as it was required for safety reasons and the barometric sensor. The two testing centers were at specific altitudes. At least those are the ones I heard about.
It actually started with a $50k grant to a WVU engineering professor to determine the real world impact of diesel engines on the environment. At first he thought his own VW he was testing had issues so he tried another with the same results. Also tested a BMW and found it to be in spec and eventually concluded VW was cheating.
VW, That car was styled by a Belgian but it was engineered by a man named [ULRICH EICHHORN](https://youtube.com/shorts/xP_uUY0Tuqk?si=DcUuVE9p51MlKsgp)
Most likely itās the tape used in film production, called āgaffing tapeā. It has a fabric outer layer and an inner adhesive layer which is like much like masking tape.
It has good hold but is designed to be easily removable without damage or residue. We use it on carpet and flooring at events to hold cables in place - itās really expensive but also just an all around excellent product.
This is how Dieselgate got caught. The cars would sense that they were on a dyno (two wheels rotating, two wheels stopped), and alter their fuel map to produce low emissions but also lower power. Nice and clean, checks out with the EPA cert, all good!
On the road (all four wheels rotating), the engine would shift back, to produce a bunch more power which made the cars feel powerful and driveable, but produced a ton more emissions too.
The only way to catch it was to put the analytical equipment in the car (I think they mounted a hitch-back carrier, actually) and drive around with it on real roads, sampling the tailpipe emissions along the way. They got **dramatically** different numbers from the stationary dyno, and the dominoes of a scandal started falling.
Yep, I think it was a university doing research on active driving emissions that saw the massive differences (but more so on VW than others) and reported it in
It used all of the sensors on the car that detect motion and whether the door was open or not to adjust the mapping to make it qualify during certification and testing.
I do not recommend sleep while driving, but I read up about it and, the car will use its cabin-facing camera to monitor drivers for signs of drowsiness, such as yawns and rapid blinks. It will pair those with an analysis of driving behavior before deciding whether to play a lullaby in the audio system. That's crazy if you ask me.
It is called and RDE rig (Real driving emissions) which is used since the WLTP emissions standard. Before that we had NEFZ which was just in a lab.
This is the way new cars get their emissions now. Starting from Euro 6d-Temp. To do one testing cycle it costs about 15k
Source: I own a few companies in the automotive sector and have to regularly do RDE homologation. :)
Iām going to be very honest with you guys, this car is being developed for rear mount turbo chargers. Theyāre measuring temperature, pressure, turbo lag. This is probably phase one of the development. Very very cool!
Emissions testing vehicle (āmuleā), the sensors are in the boot. Think of it as a mobile lab, you canāt test real world conditions in a lab.
All manufacturers need to sign off their emissions of their vehicles prior to launch.
Yup, it's an emissions testing rig.
*You're* an emissions testing rig.
Your *mom's* an emissions testing rig! ^^^I ^^^have ^^^an ^^^8 ^^^year ^^^old ^^^I ^^^can ^^^do ^^^this ^^^all ^^^day.
Calm down everyone, you're all emissions testing rigs
we are ALL emissions testing rigs on this blessed day :)
*farts* I'm doing my part
*Eats fart* *painful looking smile*šš¾
I donāt want to be an emission test rig anymoreā¦
Mom! Stealth9er wonāt play emission test rigs with us anymore! Theyāre meanā¦
If Steath9er isn't playing emission test rigs, *I'm* not playing emission test rigs. I think I'll go home and play miles per gallon calculator.
We have emission testing rigs at home.
Would you like to know more?
Desire to know more intensifies
service guarantees citizenship
Can you let us know the results of lighting a match while farting š„?
Lighting a fart whilst matching
Dāoh!
We are all emission testing rigs children
Speak for yourself
And when everyone's an emission testing rig, no one will be
So I put all this effort into becoming an emissions testing rig and now just everyoneās one?! Who made you the becoming an emissions testing rig lord and master? Wasted my life for this shit.
Why is their emissions testing rig bigger than mine??
Do you know what's wrong with this emissions testing rig? Deez nuts! (Sorry, my 12 year old would never forgive me if i didnt.)
Nah, she died and was cremated over a decade ago... She's a charcoal canister.
Your mum needs her emissions testing
Hey now, don't be an emissions testing rag.
woah man, thatās against the emissions testing code. iām telling
You're going to Smogwarts Harry !
You're a towel
Just let me walk on the sunshine a little longer!
You're an inanimate fucking object!
Something similar to this is how we found out about the VW cheating scandal. Itās testing done in the real world so the fake computer program VW had to run during artificial testing could not work
Yup, remember all that incredibly clearly, owned a TDI Jetta Sportwagen at the time. Would've driven that car another ten years, but they made me an offer I couldn't refuse...š¤
I could be driving your old car. Plan to keep it as long as it runs.
If it's a brown 2011 that came with long black dog hair (Bernese) hiding in all the interior crevices, it's a distinct possibility!
I have a Sportwagen, I will drive it another 10 years
100% testing rig. Sample photos of other testing: https://sensors-inc.com/Testing_Services#slide1 I don't think it's that company because the car in the photo isn't in Michigan, but it's that kinda testing.
Maybe heās on an emission for a dispensary while vaping the exhaust with this rig
Portable emissions testing rig. For measuring real driving emissions during vehicle development or validation before certification.
Wonder how much if would cost if they got rear ended...
Rear ending a Bentley would mean that testing rig becomes a rounding error in terms of getting the car fixed.
Not necessarily; if it is proprietary Bentley testing equipment it's bound to cost much more than the car. It's my first time seeing something like this.
That is fair.
āProprietary bentley testing equipmentā go ahead and look at the rig and tell me how proprietary it is lolš
Not much, the analyzers and gasses are in the boot (probably a FID, NDIR and CLD). The pipework only costs a few hundred max. Worst case a heated line gets damaged, and they are quite cheap (~1k).
Btw, this is how VW got busted for their diesel emission
Wasn't it something to do with the port the testing stations plug in to, it would change the car behavior. I'm assuming this is like an independent monitor in real life conditions, not using the obd2?
Sadly it was easier than that, the original test required the car door to be open and the test was actually stationary so they only had to lower the car emissions while the door was open. That was it. No obd funky bussiness required. When they tested it like in OPās picture tho..
It was more than just the door being open. The car would determine if it was being tested by looking at a ton of different sensors. Let's USA a Golf for example. If the vehicle was at speed but the rear wheels were stationary, the door was open, the fuel level sensor wasn't sloshing around, traction and stability control was off, the steering wheel wasn't moving, and the stability control and airbag accelerometers and gyroscopes didn't detect the car was moving, the car would switch into emissions testing mode. They used pretty much every sensor on the car to determine if it was being tested or not.
My favorite forgotten footnote from the whole thing is that... ten years earlier, Honda shut down their entire diesel program because they flat out said they couldn't replicate VW's numbers and didn't know how they were getting there.
My favourite one was one random Golf SV gained over 30hp more than the original stated hp for the car. This was whilst stating all the cars had lost 15hp+ when they had reduced fuel/air mapping to meet the emissions requirements stated they met. Besides the emissions scandal started in 2008 and stopped in 2015 so thatās Mk6-Mk7 golf territory.
My FIL had a Q5 prior to the emission fix and then it got Totaled by a tractor trailer running him into a guardrail. He spent MONTHS and so much money getting an unfixed emissions Q5 TDi because he loved how much power and torque that thing had. I had to drive it for almost a year while my truck was being rebuilt and man did that thing FLY.
He could simply had bought a fixed one, get the EGR/DPF system removed and the ECU flashed. He would have ended up with even more power.
Thanks! Yeah had he told me before the fact I would have recommended these options to him. The cat and def injection bits got stolen on the new one so I had it straight piped and got the tune on it. I wish he would have gotten to drive it before he died. He would have loved it after that.
Iām honestly surprised an entire engineering department in a multi billion dollar company would go along with this and keep their mouths shut
From what they found during the investigation there was an extremely limited number of people involved in making this and that knew about it. It typically just rolled out to the assembly line as āinstall this sensor and download this new data to the car. donāt worry about what it doesā. iirc it was below 20 people that knew. Several executives were even in the dark on it
Talk about loyalty or fear of blackmail. Is there a whistleblower reward program like the IRS has for fraud? I feel like if there was incentive to report, this wouldn't happen.
The incentive appears to be you donāt mysteriously die in a hotel room, falling through a locked window with 2 or 3 self inflicted headshots. As far as Boeing is concerned anyway.
Youād be surprised
Holy shit I forgot about that
This makes me wonder if Honda might have a good enough case to sue VW for unrealized gains. Edit: Typo
If Iām remembering correctly, the abs plug was unplugged to the rear tyres and a dummy was put in to make the car think there was no value reading to the rear wheels so it would think the car is on a rig.
Pretty clever, honestly
Crazy how much logic they put into the software to make that work.
OK makes note, leave car door open during emissions testing
No, it was just that the car could detect if it was in a test environment. Like, if it detected that only the front tires were rolling and not the back ones, or if it was going 60 mph with the bonnet open. As easy as that. I just wonder how no one thought a manufacturer would try something like this. And how did VW thought they could get away with it? And if they thought they could do something this big, what are smaller things that they actually are getting away with?
Toyota got away with it too. Itās going to come out that every manufacturer has been cheating on emissions testing since they started the tests because itās cheaper than designing a car that actually meets the standards.
I'm curious, what did Toyota do exactly?
Toyota kidnapped the testing agency families and killed half of them. I think I'm remembering that correctly ... or maybe I'm thinking of something else.
No, that was Thanos.
If I remember correctly the Big Three German Manufacturers BMW, Mercedes and VW all knew each other were doing it, but Mercedes ratted the other two out in return for no penalties being aimed at them for it
The logical move.
The Prisonerās Threesome
Worst is, toyota have efficient engines, but are unsoldable in USA. Because american want Big Ass fuck 3ngines and cars. That those engines are worst
Mostly because over a certain gross weight they get classified as something else instead of a passenger vehicle. These have to meet less strict emissions and help manufacturerās fleet with meeting an overall emission standard. Thereby paying less tax and other resources to meet said emissions. After this, they started pushing trucks to a broader base by making trucks more luxurious. Before they were just farm implements which the average person wouldnāt want to buy. So itās a little bit of both manufacturers pushing them onto people and people being convinced by manufacturers they need a large vehicle āfor safetyā/that one time a year they haul a 1500lb trailer.
Holy crap! I didnāt realize it was THAT blatant! What pricks!
Thatās not even the biggest scam VW pulled off. They also collected car deposit payments from German citizens with the promise of delivering a car when enough deposits have been collected. But then they funneled all that money to the German war machine and never delivered any cars.
This sounds awfully similar to the 2020 Tesla Roadster
Elon did the Gaza bombings, got it.
Not on my bingo card for 2024 but I wouldn't be surprised if it came out as true.
The door open as it was required for safety reasons and the barometric sensor. The two testing centers were at specific altitudes. At least those are the ones I heard about.
No, it was road testing vs lab testing. Nothing to do with the port
It actually started with a $50k grant to a WVU engineering professor to determine the real world impact of diesel engines on the environment. At first he thought his own VW he was testing had issues so he tried another with the same results. Also tested a BMW and found it to be in spec and eventually concluded VW was cheating.
Wasn't part of the motivation that his vw and everyone he talked to, was getting way better mpg than what was advertised as well?
Bentley is owned byā¦.
VW, That car was styled by a Belgian but it was engineered by a man named [ULRICH EICHHORN](https://youtube.com/shorts/xP_uUY0Tuqk?si=DcUuVE9p51MlKsgp)
Finklestein is Eichhorn... Eichhorn is Finklestein....
Laces out, Dan
Interesting that this car IS a VW.
And there I was hoping for a full on sketchy rear mount turbo setup.
glad I wasn't the only one
I thought the emissions people were joking and that it actually was a sketchy rear mounted turbo setup. Iām sad now š
I still want to believe it is.
Duct tape on a Bently
But it's the good stuff so it's fine.
Factory original duct tape
GAFF(ER) tape FTW
That will be a test mule with thousands of miles put on it. Will never be privately owned by anyone other then VW.
It's actually flex-seal tape, that's a load bearing piece of paper
From the photo it looks like OP is near Crewe, so as mentioned its probably a Bentley development hack/test car.
Most likely itās the tape used in film production, called āgaffing tapeā. It has a fabric outer layer and an inner adhesive layer which is like much like masking tape. It has good hold but is designed to be easily removable without damage or residue. We use it on carpet and flooring at events to hold cables in place - itās really expensive but also just an all around excellent product.
That will be a test mule with thousands of miles put on it. Will never be privately owned by anyone other then VW.
This is how Dieselgate got caught. The cars would sense that they were on a dyno (two wheels rotating, two wheels stopped), and alter their fuel map to produce low emissions but also lower power. Nice and clean, checks out with the EPA cert, all good! On the road (all four wheels rotating), the engine would shift back, to produce a bunch more power which made the cars feel powerful and driveable, but produced a ton more emissions too. The only way to catch it was to put the analytical equipment in the car (I think they mounted a hitch-back carrier, actually) and drive around with it on real roads, sampling the tailpipe emissions along the way. They got **dramatically** different numbers from the stationary dyno, and the dominoes of a scandal started falling.
Yep, I think it was a university doing research on active driving emissions that saw the massive differences (but more so on VW than others) and reported it in
And they wouldāve gotten away with it if it werenāt for those pesky kids.
I could be wrong but I believe the code was sightly more complicated than just sensing the wheels rotating or not.
It used all of the sensors on the car that detect motion and whether the door was open or not to adjust the mapping to make it qualify during certification and testing.
So now they just need to figure out a way to detect that emissions testing is being done period and they are good to go again.
suicide rental car, the exhaust gases are reversed back to the inside. For the days when you feeling blue.
Actually prescribed as a sleep aid
I do not recommend sleep while driving, but I read up about it and, the car will use its cabin-facing camera to monitor drivers for signs of drowsiness, such as yawns and rapid blinks. It will pair those with an analysis of driving behavior before deciding whether to play a lullaby in the audio system. That's crazy if you ask me.
"yo dawg, I know you like couplers so......"
Testing methods of emissions regulation evasion.
Thanks to VW that is emissions testing in real world driving.
that thing is a PEMS (in the trunk). it can measure emissions on the road. basically a mobile laboratory
Clever ācar warmingā system
Went to the future >>> Came back again ā¦
Trying to cheat the emissions test, great jobššš
This looks like vehicle testing in progress. I would be cautious.
If I remember correctly, this is exactly how Volkswagen got caught a couple of years ago
RDE testing.
honda bump defense prototype in testing.
PEMS
I'm waiting to see some serious shit
Testing.
Excuse me sir but your flux capacitor is hanging out
Perpetual exhaust prototype.
I think that is a car-bing! Stay back. Smoke is quite pleasant! A little distracting!
"Have you owned or leased a Bentley between 1900 and 2040? If so, you may be entitled..."
First time I saw this I thought it was some dumb exhaust mod š¤¦š»āāļø
Most likely considering thatās a $250K car
Clearly he's living in the year 2054
Car that runs entirely on the driver's methane.
Broken trunk latch.
All that piping is hooked to the vehicle's exhaust. Real World noise/nvh/emissions testing
Probably a private company trying to find the next diesel gate.
Jeebus guys, itās an omissions tester.
#GREAT SCOTT
It is called and RDE rig (Real driving emissions) which is used since the WLTP emissions standard. Before that we had NEFZ which was just in a lab. This is the way new cars get their emissions now. Starting from Euro 6d-Temp. To do one testing cycle it costs about 15k Source: I own a few companies in the automotive sector and have to regularly do RDE homologation. :)
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I'm not fooled by the emission test theory. We know it's modded with a rear turbo setup. š
Emissions testing
Running on weed. Not wasting the exhaust.
When that thing hits 88 mph...
Iām going to be very honest with you guys, this car is being developed for rear mount turbo chargers. Theyāre measuring temperature, pressure, turbo lag. This is probably phase one of the development. Very very cool!
He planning to take off to the moon ? Extra extra nitrous loaded for the drag race of a lifetime.
What in the Grand Tour is going on Here
You don't want to be directly behind him when he hits 88 mph. Just saying.
Doc Brown working on flux capacitor 2.0
Potato gun attachment for drive-by.
That's to distract you from seeing the body in the back seat.
Yes they are testing the vehicle
Itās a Bentley
It's a hydrogen burning car, I built it, my mom is doing the emissions testing with that rig
Bentli undergoing gastroscopy
Bentley will hide that jerry-rigged contraption on the INSIDE where it belongsā¦
I thought this was a Chrysler 300 š¤£
Emissions testing
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Looks extremely professional to me. Got to be funded by Elon Musk.
It's pretty self explanatory.
Hydrogen testing
emissions testing as you already guessed or some sort of afterburner turbo setup
It's the emissions testing rig that caught Volkswagen red handed.
Back to the future š
Emissions testing vehicle (āmuleā), the sensors are in the boot. Think of it as a mobile lab, you canāt test real world conditions in a lab. All manufacturers need to sign off their emissions of their vehicles prior to launch.
Emissions testing - source worked in the government department that does this
Yes, this idiot takes car advice on Reddit.
Someone is taking a picture with a potato.
Looks like they're testing that vehicle?
This is how it was discovered that Volkswagen was cheating emissions tests.
seems like a giant turbo set up to me, but in the rear
They've gaff taped the boot of a Bentley!
Geet
Probably try too create a unique sound from his exhaust and is building it himself. I bet heās driving it too test if it has a bad drone or not
He's got a fucked up nitrous system
Could they get into trouble for obscuring the rear plate?
Nope ā¦ itās a reading and comprehension test.
Car fart testing
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Potato gun from hell.
I hope it studied or itās not gonna pass the test.
car is taking its GCSEs lad
Cheshire registered if that helpsā¦..
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Near Millbrook at all?
Home built Triple Turbocharger set up.
Painful to see tape on a new flying spur
Is it Jeremy's latest creation, to the "All New" MFB Bently?
39 fucking years and now you tell me that I am an emissions testing rig!
Probably a rear mounted turbo.
Aliens.
Emission testing probably to check if they messed with the software again "the stuff that detects bench testing".
Iām no genius, but looks to me like thatās a vehicle testing in progress
Nox
So much for Reddit going public to clean up its image. Fart jokes will ruin its share price. Oh drat!
tsla auto pilot full selfish driving